Handgun licenses in Ireland

BogMonkey

I'd like to have my own handgun to bring to the shooting range but I'd rather the Gardai don't even know I exist and from what I've read you have to apply directly to the superintendent who are usually reluctant to grant licenses anyway. Would the gardai be unlikely to give a handgun license to a male college student in his early 20's? I don't have a criminal record and have only had 1 run in with the gards since I turned 18. If I'm likely to get the license I don't mind applying but I don't want to have my name logged by the gards as someone trying to obtain a firearm and not get the thing. Anyone here have a pistol license?

deerhunter1

BogMonkey wrote: »

I'd like to have my own handgun to bring to the shooting range but I'd rather the Gardai don't even know I exist and from what I've read you have to apply directly to the superintendent who are usually reluctant to grant licenses anyway. Would the gardai be unlikely to give a handgun license to a male college student in his early 20's? I don't have a criminal record and have only had 1 run in with the gards since I turned 18. If I'm likely to get the license I don't mind applying but I don't want to have my name logged by the gards as someone trying to obtain a firearm and not get the thing. Anyone here have a pistol license?

Strange

BogMonkey

deerhunter1 wrote: »

Strange

What?

smokie2008

Not a hope, those licences are like hens teeth

Grizzly 45

This has to be somones idea of a joke??????????


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I'd like to have my own handgun to bring to the shooting range but I'd rather the Gardai don't even know I exist and from what I've read you have to apply directly to the superintendent who are usually reluctant to grant licenses anyway.

You are for real?Living in the really real world??:eek:
Posting somthing like THAT will deffo not get you a liscense for a feather duster,not to mind a firearm...

Would the gardai be unlikely to give a handgun license to a male college student in his early 20's? I don't have a criminal record and have only had 1 run in with the gards since I turned 18.

Ehmmm....yeah ,no problem,so long as you stay on your meds and keep weraing that colander or tinfoil hat,and dont listen to the 12 of the 14 voices telling you want a nice treat in Mc Donalds today..No problem!!!:rolleyes:

If I'm likely to get the license I don't mind applying but I don't want to have my name logged by the gards as someone trying to obtain a firearm and not get the thing. Anyone here have a pistol license?

Well,then I suggest a trip to the local "Scumbag Arms" bar.Strike up a conversation with a few gentlemen going by the names of "Joxer" "Deccko" "Gert" or some such moniker.They are easily recognised by a large amount of gold chains,hoodie tops and tracksuits and very expensive trainers.Put your problem to them,and they will ,no doubt sort you out for a Grand or two around the back of the pub at 2am with a "dead clean short!"

Unfortunatly they might just empty the contents of the clip of the gun into your head via the barrel!!!!!.Thats the only way you would get a gun without the Gardai knowing about it.

YOU NEED HELP!!!!:eek::eek:

deerhunter1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

This has to be somones idea of a joke??????????


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You are for real?Living in the really real world??:eek:
Posting somthing like THAT will deffo not get you a liscense for a feather duster,not to mind a firearm...




Ehmmm....yeah ,no problem,so long as you stay on your meds and keep weraing that colander or tinfoil hat,and dont listen to the 12 of the 14 voices telling you want a nice treat in Mc Donalds today..No problem!!!:rolleyes:




Well,then I suggest a trip to the local "Scumbag Arms" bar.Strike up a conversation with a few gentlemen going by the names of "Joxer" "Deccko" "Gert" or some such moniker.They are easily recognised by a large amount of gold chains,hoodie tops and tracksuits and very expensive trainers.Put your problem to them,and they will ,no doubt sort you out for a Grand or two around the back of the pub at 2am with a "dead clean short!"

Unfortunatly they might just empty the contents of the clip of the gun into your head via the barrel!!!!!.Thats the only way you would get a gun without the Gardai knowing about it.

YOU NEED HELP!!!!:eek::eek:

Heh Heh Heh I love it

Dusty87

Hmm, another odd post in the shooting section.

Tell you what op, the best thing would be to chat your FO, and tell her word for word what you wrote here. She should give you a hand fill out the form.

Rovi

There is no legal way to possess a firearm in this country that DOESN'T involve coming to the close scrutiny and attention of the Gardai.

That scrutiny and attention ramps up considerably for handguns.

The ONLY purpose for which a person may apply for a handgun licence is that of 'target shooting', and the only acceptable (to the Gardai) proof of that intended purpose is membership of a target shooting club.

Excepting some very specific exceptions, which if you don't already know about them, don't apply to you, the only cartridge handgun type which may be applied for is of .22LR calibre and conforms to certain mechanical and cosmetic specifications.

You'll find lots of information here:
Garda Firearms Licensing web page

In particular, read:
The Garda Commissioner's Guidelines as to the Practical Application & Operation of Firearms Act, 1925 - 2009 - as amended 22/10/09

POPULAR QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO FIREARMS APPLICATIONS

Firearms licensing - FCA1 - English

Grizzly 45

Indeed she will....!!! while she is making a phone call for the guys in the white coats with the big butterfly net!!

Dusty87

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Indeed she will....!!! while she is making a phone call for the guys in the white coats with the big butterfly net!!

SSSHH Grizz, he didnt know that. Now he's not going to call in:D:D

rowa

Rovi wrote: »

There is no legal way to possess a firearm in this country that DOESN'T involve coming to the close scrutiny and attention of the Gardai.

That scrutiny and attention ramps up considerably for handguns.

The ONLY purpose for which a person may apply for a handgun licence is that of 'target shooting', and the only acceptable (to the Gardai) proof of that intended purpose is membership of a target shooting club.

Excepting some very specific exceptions, which if you don't already know about them, don't apply to you, the only cartridge handgun type which may be applied for is of .22LR calibre and conforms to certain mechanical and cosmetic specifications.

You'll find lots of information here:
Garda Firearms Licensing web page

In particular, read:
The Garda Commissioner's Guidelines as to the Practical Application & Operation of Firearms Act, 1925 - 2009 - as amended 22/10/09

POPULAR QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO FIREARMS APPLICATIONS

Firearms licensing - FCA1 - English

unless you run a string of well known supermarkets and are real friendly with the chap who has his own island and yacht, that is.

Simo Hayha

Have people taken you up wrongly, when you say you are not known to the police, do you mean you have never been in trouble

sharky0922

rowa wrote: »

unless you run a string of well known supermarkets and are real friendly with the chap who has his own island and yacht, that is.

only that? no biggy..:D

kildare.17hmr

I bet the op is glad he came here for advise:D

BogMonkey

Haha my god some replies I got here. Honestly what part of my post is so strange? Yes I would like to join an indoor shooting range and get a gun. No I would not like to have to walk into a Gardai station to register for it. I don't know anything about the legality of guns in Ireland thats why I'm asking questions. If I wanted a gun to go on a rampage or whatever it is you nutjobs think I'm up to I'd simply get one illegally.

It wasn't me!

To keep everything simple, the answer is no. What you want is absolutely not possible.

roosman

is it me or is there a raft of dodgy posts appearing on this forum.

I think that given the current climate and the sensitivities surrounding all things firearms related in our fair land, these posts smack very much of baiting or trolling by anti's or whatever. Who knows what the agenda is, but it looks very like people sniffing about for 'illegal goings on' or nudge wink kinda stuff..... seriously, asking about getting a handgun under the radar...sheesh !
my 2c..

Tackleberrywho

If his posts indicate anything he is in 1st year in DCU which would make him around 18.

There is more in the print media than anyone needs at the mo regarding this post's title.

Mod's could This thread be Closed?
I could be wrong but; I believe anymore talk on this subject in this context is counter productive.

BogMonkey

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Posting somthing like THAT will deffo not get you a liscense for a feather duster,not to mind a firearm...

And you're asking me if I'm living in the real world. Do you honestly think this internet post could be connected to me and used against me in the acquisition of a license?

Tackleberrywho

BogMonkey wrote: »

And you're asking me if I'm living in the real world. Do you honestly think this internet post could be connected to me and used against me in the acquisition of a license?

Yes son, your IP address you are using.

Anyone can be traced on here, very quickly if needs be!

So making statements regarding illegal activities is a No No on this forum.

This Forum is for Shooters who all hold licences.
Or Folk who wish to hold a licence or have an interest in the subject.
However if one mentions or hint's at illegal activities this is the standard reaction and response.

We do not mean to be rude, it is a very touchy subject to all on here, as the print media would love to quote you as a rep of the community for making a statement on this Forum.

Do you see the Dilemma?

Rovi

BogMonkey wrote: »

And you're asking me if I'm living in the real world. Do you honestly think this internet post could be connected to me and used against me in the acquisition of a license?

[MOD]
If the Gardai provide a court order, Boards.ie will provide whatever information is required to further their investigations.
It can and has been done.
[/MOD]

That said, the chances of this particular thread leading to such an investigation and a court order are indeed slim, but the possibility still exists.

Again, there is no possible means in this country to become the legal possessor of a firearm without close interaction with the Gardai, up close and personal in a Garda Station.
You WILL become very familiar with the inside of a Garda Station, and will be personally known to and familiar with at least a few of the Members there. All going well, you'll end up on first-name terms with them.
There is no avoiding this, and that's the way the law-abiding shooting community in Ireland want it.

If you are truly interested in taking up the sport of target shooting, have a look through the Target Shooting forum and you'll find lots of threads on the various clubs and ranges around the country.

BogMonkey

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Yes son, your IP address you are using.

Anyone can be traced on here, very quickly if needs be!

So making statements regarding illegal activities is a No No on this forum.

This Forum is for Shooters who all hold licences.
Or Folk who wish to hold a licence or have an interest in the subject.
However if one mentions or hint's at illegal activities this is the standard reaction and response.

We do not mean to be rude, it is a very touchy subject to all on here, as the print media would love to quote you as a rep of the community for making a statement on this Forum.

Do you see the Dilemma?

No my friend. Heres how it works. Someone who wanted to find me would first need to get my IP from boards.ie so the gardai would be the only people with the authority to get my IP. Next they would need to contact my ISP and get them to find out who was using the IP at the time this was posted. Now all that would take some time but it isn't too complicated a matter. Matters would be severely complicated now if I happened to be accessing this forum through a proxy or VPN. Who knows how many proxies I'm going through. In short the process of tracing someone over the internet can be a very time consuming and complicated process and the gardai have far more important things to do than to trace someone who did not even imply to any illegal activities on an internet forum.

I can see now that you thought I was "hinting" at illegal activities but in reality I actually didn't have any illegal activities in mind I genuinely want to obtain a gun legally. I can see this thread is giving people the wrong idea so I'll shut up now. Sorry for causing confusion.

Tackleberrywho

BogMonkey wrote: »

No my friend. Heres how it works. Someone who wanted to find me would first need to get my IP from boards.ie so the gardai would be the only people with the authority to get my IP. Next they would need to contact my ISP and get them to find out who was using the IP at the time this was posted. Now all that would take some time but it isn't too complicated a matter. Matters would be severely complicated now if I happened to be accessing this forum through a proxy or VPN. Who knows how many proxies I'm going through. In short the process of tracing someone over the internet can be a very time consuming and complicated process and the gardai have far more important things to do than to trace someone who did not even imply to any illegal activities on an internet forum.

I can see now that you thought I was "hinting" at illegal activities but in reality I actually didn't have any illegal activities in mind I genuinely want to obtain a gun legally. I can see this thread is giving people the wrong idea so I'll shut up now. Sorry for causing confusion.

Follow Rovi's link.

New shooters are very welcome!

We do not mean to be rude.
We just wanted potential issue to be nipped in the bud.

Sparks

/facepalm

BogMonkey, as others have pointed out, it's not possible to get your own sports equipment in our sport without dealing with the Gardai in a rather indepth manner compared to, say, archery. That contact with the Gardai is indeed seen by a very large number of people outside of the sport as being a very undesirable thing to have to undertake, but it is not the automatic black mark on your permanent record that everyone's mother seems to believe it is.

As to those posting here who felt that the best recourse when encountering a question they felt was unusual, was to go off on one, that's the last time it'll be tolerated. People outside our sport have odd questions. That's just how it is. This is not, by any measure, the first time that this specific question has been asked of people in our sport. The simple fact is, the average person in Ireland does not know much about our sport - despite our best efforts - and also does not relish the thought of contact with the Gardai - because "contact with the Gardai" is usually only something that happens to them if they're caught doing something naughty and almost always carries a punishment and social embarressment with it.

If you see a post you think is off, report it. Do not appoint yourself some sort of forum police, please.

As to remaining anonymous on here, it is a social construct. We don't ask unless we have to, and you don't tell unless you want to. But if you do something illegal and someone prosecutes that to the point of getting a court order, then yes, boards.ie will cooperate fully with the law and you will get traced. Even this site's short history has seen many rude awakenings for a lot of folks who thought that proxies and VPNs and Tor and other such tools were utterly anonymous. But day-to-day, it just doesn't matter.

And as to print media taking a post on here out of context, well I've not found a way to stop a malicious print source from mangling your words into a message you never sanctioned, and that includes the "say nothing" approach (which is the easiest to mal-quote). So just answer honestly and accurately. Anything else is just trying to be too clever and bites us all in the end (and our sport's political history is a long tapestry of that sort of thing).

jwshooter

BogMonkey wrote: »

Haha my god some replies I got here. Honestly what part of my post is so strange? Yes I would like to join an indoor shooting range and get a gun. No I would not like to have to walk into a Gardai station to register for it. I don't know anything about the legality of guns in Ireland thats why I'm asking questions. If I wanted a gun to go on a rampage or whatever it is you nutjobs think I'm up to I'd simply get one illegally.

this is where the hole thing went wrong in the first place ...

i went in and sat down with my super when i was looking for my first pistol .if back then 04-05 every one had to do the same we would not be where we are now.

Bananaman

BogMonkey wrote: »

I genuinely want to obtain a gun legally. I can see this thread is giving people the wrong idea so I'll shut up now.

It is the statement of what you want that is the problem I believe.
You have compounded it by issuing posts where you did not engage the brain in advance.

If you wanted to take up the sport of target shooting that would be one thing but you seem to have the cart before the horse.

B'Man

patsat

BogMonkey wrote: »

No I would not like to have to walk into a Gardai station to register for it.

Why not??

Sparks

Speaking of not engaging the brain before posting, if you walk into a GAA shop and ask to buy a hurley, it's generally not assumed without cause that you're looking to walk out into the street and brain someone with it. So if someone wants to come into target shooting as a sport, and they post on here imperfectly, it would be nice if people didn't jump down their throats immediately. The ethos and idioms of a community are meant to be things you pass on, not tests you have to pass.

Sparks

patsat wrote: »

Why not??

Apart from shooting-related contact or friends/relatives in AGS, what contacts have you had with the Gardai pat? Were they pleasant? Or were they speeding tickets or something similar?

BogMonkey

patsat wrote: »

Why not??

Sorry to keep this thread going but the reason I don't want to walk into a Garda station to apply for a license is because I have never been in trouble with the Gardai so they have no idea I even exist. I would like to keep it that way. Although theres nothing illegal about applying for a gun license I would still rather not be known to the Gardai as someone who attempted to purchase a gun.

What Sparks said in his last post is also part of the reason I avoid the Gardai. I have never been arrested but as a teenager I've had lots of trouble from them for drinking and they're not always the most pleasant people you run into on the streets.

Sparks

BogMonkey wrote: »

Sorry to keep this thread going but the reason I don't want to walk into a Garda station to apply for a license is because I have never been in trouble with the Gardai so they have no idea I even exist. I would like to keep it that way. Although theres nothing illegal about applying for a gun license I would still rather not be known to the Gardai as someone who attempted to purchase a gun.

It really is not a black mark on your record to apply for a licence, despite the public perception. On top of which, if you're in a club and doing this as a sport, it's far more likely to be granted than you might think, so long as you have somewhere to store the firearm securely. And while applying for a firearm is not a black mark (and neither is being refused, by the way, for obvious reasons), it's hard to view being granted the licence as anything other than a good mark...

jwshooter

Sparks wrote: »

Speaking of not engaging the brain before posting, if you walk into a GAA shop and ask to buy a hurley, it's generally not assumed without cause that you're looking to walk out into the street and brain someone with it. So if someone wants to come into target shooting as a sport, and they post on here imperfectly, it would be nice if people didn't jump down their throats immediately. The ethos and idioms of a community are meant to be things you pass on, not tests you have to pass.

hurleys and pistols great comparison

patsat

Sparks wrote: »

Apart from shooting-related contact or friends/relatives in AGS, what contacts have you had with the Gardai pat? Were they pleasant? Or were they speeding tickets or something similar?

Not one to be honest that wasn't pleasent, not even a parking ticket. I'm from a rural area and think the guards in my area are quite friendly! :eek:

I wasn't jumping down his throat I was just enquiring. :rolleyes:

BogMonkey don't be afraid of walking into the guards, find some info from the range you wish to join then meet the guards and discuss your plans. Once they see you have looked into joining a club they will know your serious about it!

And I really doubt they will see you walking down the street and search you for drugs because you enquired about a gun!!

Bananaman

Also remember that the interaction with the Gardai while applying for a license - all going well - is to your benefit.

1. They do a background check to verify - and document - that you are a law abiding citizen.
2. They inspect your house, alarm, safe to ensure it is all well secured.
3. You get a PULSE number - for positive reasons.
4. You are categorically NOT a person of interest to them (unless you do something to become so)

It may not feel it when you are waiting for the process to complete.

As a 'Junior', if you do join a target shooting club, you should get yourself on a basic firearms safety and handling course. Most clubs wither offer them to their members or will enrol you on one in another club.

The Gardai will most likely require you do some form of training prior to issuing you a license.

B'Man

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

hurleys and pistols great comparison

jw, if you've nothing positive or constructive to add, would you at least refrain from putting off people who'd like to try the sport?

Tackleberrywho

Bananaman wrote: »

Also remember that the interaction with the Gardai while applying for a license - all going well - is to your benefit.

1. They do a background check to verify - and document - that you are a law abiding citizen.
2. They inspect your house, alarm, safe to ensure it is all well secured.
3. You get a PULSE number - for positive reasons.
4. You are categorically NOT a person of interest to them (unless you do something to become so)

It may not feel it when you are waiting for the process to complete.

As a 'Junior', if you do join a target shooting club, you should get yourself on a basic firearms safety and handling course. Most clubs wither offer them to their members or will enrol you on one in another club.

The Gardai will most likely require you do some form of training prior to issuing you a license.

B'Man

There are several clubs scattered throughout the country where you can take a course, or just have a look.

To get into shooting you will have to spend a min of €400 to get into the sport. €200 on security cabinet approx and €200+ on a rifle and/or scope.(insurance can be purchased through IFA countryside, or NARGC)

Membership of a club is desirable and may help your application, however they are not cheap for a student.

We all were students once and we all had cheap shi**y guns once to get into the sport, of course if your Parents are minted then happy days.

Handguns would not in my opinion be the way forward for you. Perhaps a .22lr Rifle, or a 12g shotgun; as most folk here in Ireland started on one or the other.

Or perhaps you should join one of your College Clubs. As far as I am aware UCD & Trinity have fairly well established shooting societies.

If you are from the country go to A NARGC meeting as this might be your cheapest way into the sport and relatively easy. Most NARGC's cost ~€100 depending on size.

There is a list on NARGC.ie
Or if you want to pay as you go, MNSCI amongst others are a great place for a novice to start and learn the sport from the ground up.

If going to Gardaí for advice i would if you are in your teens bring a relative preferrably a shooter with a good standing in the community to vouch for you.

Grizzly 45

If this guy turns out to be some sort of kook and goes on a rampage in one of our towns.Honestly I thought the idea was to be doing some self policing of our own as well.We can be all be niccy piccy and oh so PC ,but who will carry the can if a Cumbria happens here???
Then questions will be asked.Thought you would be abit more responsible as a Mod Sparks!!!

Tackleberrywho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If this guy turns out to be some sort of kook and goes on a rampage in one of our towns.Honestly I thought the idea was to be doing some self policing of our own as well.We can be all be niccy piccy and oh so PC ,but who will carry the can if a Cumbria happens here???
Then questions will be asked.Thought you would be abit more responsible as a Mod Sparks!!!

Grizz, I believe the young fella made an innocent comment that was taken up wrong by myself included.

We were not all as savvy on firearms when we were young.
And I was lucky as I had a few to advise me on the basics.

Although I wish I had more in depth advise from a source such as boards.

There was no intreeweb back then, just hearsay and i know a fella that knows a fella that got a big rifle etc.

At least the chap can benefit from some sterling advice and start of right not pardon the pun, Half cocked

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If this guy turns out to be some sort of kook and goes on a rampage in one of our towns.Honestly I thought the idea was to be doing some self policing of our own as well.We can be all be niccy piccy and oh so PC ,but who will carry the can if a Cumbria happens here???
Then questions will be asked.Thought you would be abit more responsible as a Mod Sparks!!!

/facepalm

Grizzly, we don't even get t-shirts as mods, let alone the legal authority to grant licences.

And there is no self-policing in our community. Thankfully. As bad as the bad cases with the PTB are, the bad cases with our own PTB have been far, far worse in my experience. If you want a firearms licence, you go to the Gardai and they have the final say, not us as a self-policing community.

And for the record, we'd see queries like this on a regular basis in clubs all over the country, and it's not "I'm a crook looking to get a gun" that they're saying, it's "I'm an ordinary person who's interested in the sport but I don't want the Gardai calling up my boss/mom and making me look like a criminal and getting me in trouble, can I avoid that?", because like it or not, most people don't want to go within an ass's roar of the Gardai.

Dusty87

Sparks wrote: »

most people don't want to go within an ass's roar of the Gardai[/i].

They're called criminals or for some reason or another dont want to be known.

Grizzly 45

Tack,
I accept that not all are as knowledgeable on guns as we are.But,maybe it is just me,isnt it just common sense to research a bit on the net about your questions especially a chat group that you have never posted on before?Or is it just the way nowadays,barge in,drop a massive bunch of questions and hope for the best??

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

/facepalm

Grizzly, we don't even get t-shirts as mods, let alone the legal authority to grant licences.

And there is no self-policing in our community. Thankfully. As bad as the bad cases with the PTB are, the bad cases with our own PTB have been far, far worse in my experience. If you want a firearms licence, you go to the Gardai and they have the final say, not us as a self-policing community.

And for the record, we'd see queries like this on a regular basis in clubs all over the country, and it's not "I'm a crook looking to get a gun" that they're saying, it's "I'm an ordinary person who's interested in the sport but I don't want the Gardai calling up my boss/mom and making me look like a criminal and getting me in trouble, can I avoid that?", because like it or not, most people don't want to go within an ass's roar of the Gardai.

I can uderstand people not wanting to be in a garda barracks, the lads by there nature are nosey.
Ask a lot of questions not to do with the application, where you work, what ya do, how much ya make, what colour is yer underpants etc

I just say, where I work, what i do and currently Blue garda

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I can uderstand people not wanting to be in a garda barracks, the lads by there nature are nosey.
Ask a lot of questions not to do with the application, where you work, what ya do, how much ya make, what colour is yer underpants etc

I just say, where I work, what i do and currently Blue garda

TBH never had that from them. The only time iv got an ignorant, smart gaurd was when i got the points not the point and in fairness i wasnt as friendly back and a young gaurd who was just not chatty. You meet people like that in every job.
I wont say in what ways but they've been more than helpful to me, both from a rural barracks and town barracks

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

/facepalm

Grizzly, we don't even get t-shirts as mods, let alone the legal authority to grant licences.

And there is no self-policing in our community. Thankfully. As bad as the bad cases with the PTB are, the bad cases with our own PTB have been far, far worse in my experience. If you want a firearms licence, you go to the Gardai and they have the final say, not us as a self-policing community.

Honestly Sparks SNIP all that for irrevelancy to the point would you???:rolleyes:

And for the record, we'd see queries like this on a regular basis in clubs all over the country, and it's not "I'm a crook looking to get a gun"

DOUBLE Facepalm on that one.:rolleyes:

that they're saying, it's "I'm an ordinary person who's interested in the sport but I don't want the Gardai calling up my boss/mom and making me look like a criminal and getting me in trouble, can I avoid that?", because like it or not, most people don't want to go within an ass's roar of the Gardai.

Well then t'would it not be better to say it like that ,rather than "hows doya get a gun without de paperwork,cos I dont want de Gaurds findin out about it,cos I have a bit of bother with them?"
Or simply just read up here abit?Why do we have a big sticky on how to apply for a liscense here??

Thats why I asked in a post was this somones idea of a joke???As it looks[ed] like somone extracting the urine.

Tackleberrywho

Dusty87 wrote: »

TBH never had that from them. The only time iv got an ignorant, smart gaurd was when i got the points not the point and in fairness i wasnt as friendly back and a young gaurd who was just not chatty. You meet people like that in every job.
I wont say in what ways but they've been more than helpful to me, both from a rural barracks and town barracks

The more often you go in, and the more you look for the more questions you will get.

You'll see that if you try get another 1 or 2

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Or is it just the way nowadays,barge in,drop a massive bunch of questions and hope for the best??

Do you really want me to go search all your earliest posts to compare?

Tackleberrywho

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Tack,
I accept that not all are as knowledgeable on guns as we are.But,maybe it is just me,isnt it just common sense to research a bit on the net about your questions especially a chat group that you have never posted on before?Or is it just the way nowadays,barge in,drop a massive bunch of questions and hope for the best??

My experience young people are less knowledgeable as they never had to learn stuff the hard way like we did.

I went to the library and got out books in mine and my sisters names just so I could get a few books at a time

young people these days want instant answers, God you are making me sound old now

Grizzly 45

Touche Sparks..But ditto..:):)

If I had had the net when I was 18.My parents would have forgotton that they actually had a son.

Dusty87

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The more often you go in, and the more you look for the more questions you will get.

You'll see that if you try get another 1 or 2

I mean with anything.

Sparks

Dusty87 wrote: »

They're called criminals or for some reason or another dont want to be known.

Really? Go ask around a bit more. People rarely know their local Gardai anymore. Most of the times that an ordinary person comes into contact with the Gardai, it's not a happy experience for them. It's getting a speeding ticket, or reporting a break-in or something along those lines. I know that one of the biggest reasons my parents weren't happy at me getting into target shooting back in the day was that they were worried that the Gardai knowing I was into target shooting could cause problems with finding a job. It's not correct, but neither were half the responses here to the OP. It's paranoia in both cases, just different flavours.

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Touche Sparks..But ditto..:):)

Yup. So we grit our teeth and make allowances, just like everyone else did for us. Welcome to the circle of life