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A new political party registering in a few weeks

  • 28-06-2010 11:22am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭


    There is a new political party registering in a few weeks. It is backed mainly by ex Green party member.

    "Backed largely by former members of the Green Party, the new grouping said it will be concerned with issues like transparency in politics, use of the State’s natural resources, environmental issues and care for the less well off."

    Looks like this will definitely be the end of Gormley's Greens,

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0628/1224273468181.html


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    So basically, Greens 2.0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    The Turquoise Party?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    This is the Fruitcake Wing of the Greens returning from the dead. They have left behind the wing that will be electorally toxic at the next election


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make.
    I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

    That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

    Totally mindless, false tainting remark!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Please let them call it The Continuity Green Party


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Fís Nua or New Vision, is the name


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

    That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

    Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

    Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

    To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭bryanw


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

    That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

    Totally mindless, false tainting remark!
    It's not an unfounded remark. The Greens support redistribution of wealth from rich countries to poor countries in the name of a "carbon debt". There are also people (in international circles) who make no bones about the fact that they are socialist/communist. Just look at the types that the environmental summits attract. And if this lot are a "back to basics" Green party, they most certainly could be labelled as such, looking back at the old election literature of the Green Alliance and the early Green Party. The only reason the Green Party gained support is because they moderated their views.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

    To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.

    This thread is not about the Green Party, maybe you misread it


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

    To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.
    bryanw wrote: »
    It's not an unfounded remark. The Greens support redistribution of wealth from rich countries to poor countries in the name of a "carbon debt". There are also people (in international circles) who make no bones about the fact that they are socialist/communist. Just look at the types that the environmental summits attract. And if this lot are a "back to basics" Green party, they most certainly could be labelled as such, looking back at their own election literature of the Green Alliance and the early Green Party. The only reason the Green Party gained support is because the moderated their views.


    I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

    I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

    The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

    ...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

    I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

    The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

    ...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?

    Nope, but this is the Patricia McKenna looney-bin Green-set.
    This is the Greens who want to ban meat-eating and send everyone back to the countryside.
    These people are communists at best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    So if it is a green type party where the hell are they going to get their votes from?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Nope, but this is the Patricia McKenna looney-bin Green-set.
    This is the Greens who want to ban meat-eating and send everyone back to the countryside.
    These people are communists at best.
    Thats fair enough but the poster of the original remark should have been more cleared by saying to whom he/she was referring to more so.
    Thats all. Moving on...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    I don't think people here know what a communist is. Just because someone tells you what to do does not make them a communist. I think you'll find most laws tell you what to do.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I don't think people here know what a communist is. Just because someone tells you what to do does not make them a communist. I think you'll find most laws tell you what to do.

    Under Gormley and Cowen with their legal changes, thats very true! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭snollup


    I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    The difference is that you will always be poorer under socialist rule. anyway thats a seperate thread. I just want to know who is deluded enough to try to start a new left/green party right now. Labour are (rightly or wrongly) seeing their support grow steadily and the Greens are toast in waiting. A new party if it succeeded would surely split the vote. That said if McKenna is informing the "soul" of this new party then it'll be a total failure. "Corrib Politics" works for students and Provos, no-one else really gives a toss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    snollup wrote: »
    I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

    Socialism is an economic and political philosophy; Capitalism is just an economic philosophy.

    The recent crisis is a result of failures in regulation and the application of laws - a political failure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭bryanw


    snollup wrote: »
    I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.
    It's wrong to say that capitalism has made a mess of things. We have not lived under capitalism, so this means nothing. We've had a sort of a quasi-capitalist-socialist system, where depending on who you are, you live under socialism, capitalism, or a mixture of both depending on what you want to do.
    Biggins wrote:
    I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

    I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

    The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

    ...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?
    Of course it is not the case that people concerned about Green issues are necessarily socialists, but from the reading of the article and the types and figures who seem to be involved, they are close enough. Again... look at previous policies. And things like ultra animal rights are espoused by both the Greens and the Socialist Party a la Claire Daly. Again, those who are pro animal rights are not necessarily socialist, but these groups do attract socialists. Lots of them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    The Biggins party:confused::confused::confused:
    ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    The Biggins party:confused::confused::confused:
    ;)

    The English version of that is the Monster Raving Looney Party. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Someone start a party that makes Patricia McKenna GO AWAY and I'll vote for ya.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭WalterMitty


    I want a party and i think a lot of People want a party that have liberal economic and liberal social views and be anti corruption/nepotism/cronyism in Irish politics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    An Fís Nua or A New Vision, is the name

    Should be An Fhís Nua...

    What a wonderful start for the party...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,162 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    snollup wrote: »
    I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

    The bail out of the banks and massive growth in public service and social welfare spending, which got us into this mess, are not what you would call capitalist policies.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    nesf wrote: »
    Should be An Fhís Nua...
    ...or simply "Fís Nua", without the definite article, which would probably make more sense anyway.

    And anything that involves Patricia McKenna is never going to get any support from me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I want a party and i think a lot of People want a party that have liberal economic and liberal social views and be anti corruption/nepotism/cronyism in Irish politics

    No-one would vote for one :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭bijapos


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    ...or simply "Fís Nua", without the definite article, which would probably make more sense anyway.

    And anything that involves Patricia McKenna is never going to get any support from me.

    Fis Nua is the name, maybe An Fis Nua was a typo.

    Either way seems the website is up and running www.fisnua.com


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    They look like Extreme Green.

    I welcome their setting up, it adds to the political realm.
    I can't understand why some people on here are so virulantly oposed to them, the hatred and animosity are almost disturbing.

    Let them set up if they want, they'll elect a few councillors, if even, and that might be about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    a party that thinks it needs a 'name' person will get no support from me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    a party that thinks it needs a 'name' person will go no support from me

    what?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    a party that thinks it needs a 'name' person will go no support from me

    I don't understand either! :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I think its clear that Lost Expectation (as was!) will not be voting for a party that thinks it needs some "star" name to attract support.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭bryanw


    imme wrote: »
    They look like Extreme Green.

    I welcome their setting up, it adds to the political realm.
    I can't understand why some people on here are so virulantly oposed to them, the hatred and animosity are almost disturbing.

    Let them set up if they want, they'll elect a few councillors, if even, and that might be about it.
    I'm not opposed to them setting up. New voices are always welcome in the public arena, but I'm perfectly entitled to criticize and say what I think of them. I also don't want them preventing me from doing so.

    Like...:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    This has to be a practical joke. Just read the manifesto - it looks like something cobbled together by a bunch of students as a wind up after the exam celebrations.

    ...as as for the one photo on the site;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭dan719


    Biggins wrote: »
    I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

    That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

    Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

    No, you just have to have no real understanding of economic reality outside Dublin.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    They will get 0.05% of the national vote, aid the mainstream Greens as they will have less of the loony fringe in their ranks, and in certain constituencies they will look moderate and reasonable by comparison. Actually, I may be tempted to vote for them again this time round if this works as an effective safety valve and lets loose the more egregious type of environmentalist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    These guys will probably get 25 - 30 votes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    http://fisnua.com/

    In some respects, the communist label wasn't far off the mark. "Our aim is to introduce a basic income for all." Their manifesto advocates a system whereby the government gets first dibs on housing development; that is, if you want to build an estate the government get to decide first if they'll build it instead. They propose the abolition of tax relief on private pensions; clearly moving towards government control of pensions. And so on.

    All in all, it suffers from the usual drawback of Left-wing policy: it's economically non-viable. Their propositions would require huge increases in taxation, which would stifle the dynamic economy and thus tax revenues.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    nesf wrote: »
    Should be An Fhís Nua...

    What a wonderful start for the party...

    Possible error on part of article ? ;)

    At least someone is trying to clean the ranks :D

    The need to prevent financial collapse has been used as a justification to prop up corrupt business dealings of property speculators and the financial community with the introduction of the blanket banking guarantee and the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA). We would stop the transfer of assets from banks to NAMA at above current market values and implement the structured wind down of non-systemic and non-performing banks. We would instigate a full public and transparent enquiry into the current crisis. We would introduce effective controls of credit and investment instruments and introduce restraints against any system of bonus payments to employees of financial institutions which encourage short term risky financial management. We would encourage the pursuance of legal action against those who have contributed, through financial mismanagement, to the current financial crisis. We would also support prosecutions against those property developers who fraudulently obtained loans or illegally disposed of assets, and those who helped or encouraged them in so doing.
    Property developments seized by NAMA will be completed as ecologically friendly social or affordable housing or other health, educational, social and community projects wherever possible.

    I am reading their proposals now and they seem very sound and fair so far.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Some of their proposals are just insane. Take education:

    "Ensure that student- teacher ratios do not exceed 15:1 at primary and secondary levels."

    Where's the money?

    Then they go on to tax, being deliberately ambigous and insanely promising to cut vat by 3%, one of our most reliable revenue streams.

    '
    We support a broadly progressive tax system and bands to protect workers from inflation and avoid taxation by stealth.

    Structure corporate tax reliefs and capital allowances in such a way that Research and Development, employment-generating activities, socially responsible activities, and sustainable and environmentally friendly activities are rewarded.

    Reduce both VAT rates by 3%.

    Phase out VRT over 5 years, scrap motor tax and replace with a fuel surchage.'

    This really is back of the fag packet stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭Bob the Seducer


    These guys will probably get 25 - 30 votes.

    That's a bit optimistic if the photo on that website is representative of the party members.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Fis-Nua-mtg-26-Juli-2010-1-e1277725178256.jpg

    Lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    That's a bit optimistic if the photo on that website is representative of the party members.

    Four votes so. The lad with the beard was too busy textin:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    The Turquoise Party?

    ^^^Seriously underrated joke, people.

    I applaud you, sir.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    yeah the manifesto is very short and of course uncosted...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    bijapos, don't post rubbish. This isn't AH.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Denerick wrote: »
    Fis-Nua-mtg-26-Juli-2010-1-e1277725178256.jpg

    Lol

    So if indeed that is them,you are judging on their clothes whether they are good at what they do,I would imagine if they didnt have the proper education and know how they would be bothered to try,never mind get any coverage at all.
    Three of them people look like teachers i know :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    caseyann wrote: »
    So if indeed that is them,you are judging on their clothes whether they are good at what they do,I would imagine if they didnt have the proper education and know how they would be bothered to try,never mind get any coverage at all.
    Three of them people look like teachers i know :p

    I'm sure they are all pretty swell guys. But combined with their back of the fag packet manifesto, this photo tells us all we need to know.


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