Preselli HD

elsie1b

I had read some posts on boards to the effect that the channel 50 HD mux would start on June 26th.
Does anyone know the official start date ?

29th as I understand it.
You will need a t2 decoder or a t2 compatible tv.

watty

A USB stick with firmware change won't work either, unlike MPEG2 vs MPEG4. DVB-T2 needs a new type of tuner head. It will receive ordinary DVB-t/DTT also.

No hd services yet from presely.
ch 50 is totally quiet on my T2 box.
I'll keep you posted.

mrdtv2010

According to the DUK postcode checker Preseli HD on Channel 50+ is supposed to go live today, although they usually make changes on Wednesdays. Check the receiver can handle the offset which is usually 167kHz. This means that T2 receivers will be the receivers of choice in the overspill areas with NI and Wales in the future.

Try to keep up mr dtv

I now have a sagemcom t2 hd which is decoding RTE mpeg4 perfectly by the way


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055953454

Sponge Bob

Do tell us how well the UK and Ireland channels integrate on the EPG...and whether there is any funny business with recording from any of them or using series links.

Try maybe recording say east enders off the beeb hd and then the 9 news off rte1 every day to see what happens BB.

I didn't think of series link.
I'll try that later.

The UK and Ireland channels integrate well.

I need a proper grouped aerial for kippure though as signal strength down here on 54 is very ropey.

Anyone care to recommend.I will put it through an amp but run the risk of bringing in llandonna with it which would cause problems for me on ch 50.

I wonder would a chaneliser help? probably not unless I could put it on the Kippure feed before it gets to the amp.
It might be a good idea to run a separate cable just to the 2nd in socket of the distribution amplifier and put a chaneliser t(o cut anything below channel 53) on before that on the kippure cable only before the plug into the distribution amp...

OH RTE look at the hassle you are giving me ...when the flick of a switch would change mt leinster from 45 to 39 and none of this rigamaroll would be necessary.

mrdtv2010

Ch 50 RF has just been powered up with a strong signal according to DS posters. As Preseli and its relays will be cutover together it may happen later today

Will check it now mr dtv

Receiving as strong a signal here as on BBCA and B muxes but no channels.

The sad news is,it's being speculated that Dave ja Vu is moving tomorrow to the ch45 mux and being replaced by russia today where it is now.

That means we lose it here

mrdtv2010

Its obviously being powered up now, Channels will appear later today probably. The ERP is the same as the other PSB muxes so it'll have the same coverage in Ireland.

mollser

http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=SN172306

this website has it as 16 September for HD switchon?? Is it defo today?? I'm dying to get down to wexford to try it out... Maybe thats the official date but its trialling from now until then, perhaps??

Out of curiosity What other forums are discussing this topic?? I tried Digital Spy but saw nothing...

Thx

mrdtv2010

Preseli T2 is now live with HD channels. Sometimes you need manual tuning and select the T2 option and Ch 50 has a positive offset.

ITV1 hd and BBChd and s4c hd ( clirulun or something it's called) now received in glorious HD

I shall have photo's shortly

mrdtv2010

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ITV1 hd and BBChd and s4c hd ( clirulun or something it's called) now received in glorious HD

I shall have pictures shortly

With BBC1HD to follow in the autumn. This is a defining moment: in the overspill areas T2 boxes will rope in anything in Ireland. Naturally this may force a rethink on RTENL's part. HD zapper boxes are now £89 in Morrisons and are expected to be £50 by Xmas. Another major headache for Goan & Co apart from the poor RTE DTT coverage expected in rural areas.

slegs

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

With BBC1HD to follow in the autumn. This is a defining moment: in the overspill areas T2 boxes will rope in anything in Ireland. Naturally this may force a rethink on RTENL's part.

How and what kind of rethink? Genuinely what is your expecatation of what needs to be rethought? Wexford and Wicklow is a relatively small part of the Irish population. (this isnt to take away from the good news that this is for those that can receive it- i just think mrdt2010 is trolling on this topic for months)

mollser

mollser wrote: »

http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=SN172306

this website has it as 16 September for HD switchon?? Is it defo today?? I'm dying to get down to wexford to try it out... Maybe thats the official date but its trialling from now until then, perhaps??

Out of curiosity What other forums are discussing this topic?? I tried Digital Spy but saw nothing...

Thx

what timing!

whoops - great to hear!! Can't wait to try it out

mrdtv2010

slegs wrote: »

How and what kind of rethink? Genuinely what is your expecatation of what needs to be rethought? Wexford and Wicklow is a relatively small part of the Irish population. (this isnt to take away from the good news that this is for those that can receive it- i just think mrdt2010 is trolling on this topic for months)

And how many people along the East Coast will be able to receive Divis, Limavady and Brougher by 2012? Within the next 12-18 months all UK Tvs and STBs will be T2: they are already £89 for an STB in Morrisons. You are very brave if you think you can fight Tesco's in Ireland: personally I think this is so over as Saorview's addressable market is probably MAX 200k units and Sky, as smart as ever, will do their level best to kill it.

Here we go :

First image is my freeview + Hd box with the epg showing the RTE channels with the BBC radio channels above it on the epg and with the picture in picture tuned to RTE news now



Next one is ITV1 hd on the EPG

mrdtv2010

Black Briar: Impressive: First T2 viewer in Ireland. Now can we have a screen shot for signal strength, quality etc on the T2 mux from Preseli. That would be most interesting, especially the comparison with the ratings for the DVB-T1 muxes from Preseli. A defining moment. Of course all that needs to happen now is S4CClirun to be axed and replaced by 4HD. As you said earlier this will become the DTT technology of choice in Ireland in very short order in the overspill areas, if not throughout the country.

I'll get one up later
sagem is saying 40% strength and 98% quality


I might point out I have an attenuator on that though as the signal is actually too strong when passed through a distribution amp here.

slegs

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

And how many people along the East Coast will be able to receive Divis, Limavady and Brougher by 2012? Within the next 12-18 months all UK Tvs and STBs will be T2: they are already £89 for an STB in Morrisons. You are very brave if you think you can fight Tesco's in Ireland: personally I think this is so over as Saorview's addressable market is probably MAX 200k units and Sky, as smart as ever, will do their level best to kill it.

Dont want to fight anyone least of all Tesco but I still dont see what your suggestion as to what needs to be rethought?

What about the 80% of the irish population that has no access to overspill.

Your seem to think 3 UK HD channels on DVB-T2 somehow make a difference to the Saorview proposition. But you fail to make any argument as to how this is the case.

If anything cheap DVB-T2 boxes and their widespread availability and compliance to the Saorview spec would seem to help the Saorview cause.

BTW, do you realise that no channels planned to be carried on Saorview are on UK Freeview or are you confused with the Pay DTT proposition that we all know has failed?

prioryc

any chance we could compile a list of t2 boxes that do the job getting all 3 hd/sd/irish like the "sagemcom t2" is one thats working are the more??

Same system in all of them,so all t2's should work.
Theres no magic bean in mine.

Only difficulty is channel 45 mt leinster not being viewable necessitating me shortly to get an amped cd kippure aerial for ch 54 with a notch filter to shield llandonna ch 50 from interfering with presely hd also on 50.

thetwangman

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Same system in all of them,so all t2's should work.

my t2 box (bush dvb680) does not work properly with rte two, so prioryc's suggestion of compiling a list of t2 boxes that work properly with irish dtt is valid.

marclt

I think it might be useful to complete list of tested and compatible equipment into a new thread.

If people want to send me a list with a brief review, date and idea of the current software, I'll keep tabs on it.

RTE TWO was certainly filling the screen properly in the brief time I had it with the sagemcom.

I have noticed though that in some programmes on ordinary freeview [Friends on E4 comes to mind] I am getting a cropped screen which goes back to full widescreen when the ads come on.

I've not been able to over ride this with the tv settings so far unless something is alluding me.

FREETV

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Same system in all of them,so all t2's should work.
Theres no magic bean in mine.

Only difficulty is channel 45 mt leinster not being viewable necessitating me shortly to get an amped cd kippure aerial for ch 54 with a notch filter to shield llandonna ch 50 from interfering with presely hd also on 50.

Hi Black Briar, could you recommend some different types of notch filters for readers here in different parts of the country please?, where to buy them and how to use them? I know that Watty would have a lot of knowledge in that area also.

watty

Polytron

FREETV

watty wrote: »

Polytron

Thanks Watty, any idea of where to buy that brand? I just tried ebay for suitable notch filters and didn't find any. Is there a full broadband, that is a wideband full frequency spectrum adjustable variable notch filter available for digital terrestrial or just grouped types?

thetwangman

black briar, i'm sure the sagemcom displays rte two perfectly. i have 4 dtt tuners, 3 of which display rte two perfectly (all 3 are t1's btw). however, my 1 and only t2 box (bush dvb680) crops and stretches rte two. the other channels are ok though. see pic.

I have RTE from Kippure on ch 54 tonight.
It only comes in when it rains and can confirm that it is in perfect widescreen on the sagemcom and not cropped

I'll post pics tomorrow.
I can schedule recordings but there is no series link on brothers and sisters anyway.
I'll try eastenders and report back tommorrow

Mayo Exile

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I have noticed though that in some programmes on ordinary freeview [Friends on E4 comes to mind] I am getting a cropped screen which goes back to full widescreen when the ads come on.

I've not been able to over ride this with the tv settings so far unless something is alluding me.

Cropped at the sides? I believe Friends was shot originally in 4:3 ratio, so I'd say the box is switching your TV to 4:3 as well and then switching back to 16:9 for ads and widescreen programming. It's probably acting correctly. Sky boxes do this too. Also my LG LH series TV's do this with 4:3 programmes on Irish DTT when the aspect ratio is set to "original".

Verso

As I can get great DTT reception from Preseli I am thinking of purchasing a Sagemcom RT190 - 320 box to receive the Preseli HD broadcasts.

This particular box would seem to suit my needs if it can show subtitles on recorded programmes where of course subtitles have been transmitted.

Can anyone advise me on this?.

elsie1b

Verso wrote: »

As I can get great DTT reception from Preseli I am thinking of purchasing a Sagemcom RT190 - 320 box to receive the Preseli HD broadcasts.

This particular box would seem to suit my needs if it can show subtitles on recorded programmes where of course subtitles have been transmitted.

Can anyone advise me on this?.

It would seem prohibitively expensive for just a few channels that are freely available on satellite anyway.
Could be useful if RTE start HD broadcasts on terrestrial.

I have that box.
Elsie-you do know it records and recives all channels not just the hd ones including RTE

I've not tried subtitles.
I'll report back for you.

watty

RTE will be HD only eventually,

elsie1b

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I have that box.
Elsie-you do know it records and recives all channels not just the hd ones including RTE

I've not tried subtitles.
I'll report back for you.

"Could be useful if RTE start HD broadcasts on terrestrial."
I have a picnic box to receive RTE on dtt and a freesat box to get BBC and ITV HD.
This box would be a runner for me only if RTE started terrestrial HD broadcasts.

Verso

Verso wrote: »

As I can get great DTT reception from Preseli I am thinking of purchasing a Sagemcom RT190 - 320 box to receive the Preseli HD broadcasts.

This particular box would seem to suit my needs if it can show subtitles on recorded programmes where of course subtitles have been transmitted.

Can anyone advise me on this?.

I just tested it there.
I turned on subtitles and played a recording of Eastenders on RTE one.

Low and behold,the subtitles appeared perfectly so they are recorded by default on this box regardless of whether you have subtitles turned on or not.

The subtitles also worked on a channel 4 recording I tested and on ITV1 HD.

So I can confirm that subtitles work with recorded programmes

The box also just now downloaded an over the air software update which makes the epg fly much faster.

elsie1b wrote:

I have a picnic box to receive RTE on dtt and a freesat box to get BBC and ITV HD.
This box would be a runner for me only if RTE started terrestrial HD broadcasts.

I prefer to have just the one box.
This box does RTE and the UK freeview channels all on the one epg and for free aswell as recording them.
I believe it's the only system currently available that does that as the combo boxes can only show the 2 epg's separately.

elsie1b

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I just tested it there.
I turned on subtitles and played a recording of Eastenders on RTE one.

Low and behold,the subtitles appeared perfectly so they are recorded by default on this box regardless of whether you have subtitles turned on or not.

The subtitles also worked on a channel 4 recording I tested and on ITV1 HD.

So I can confirm that subtitles work with recorded programmes

The box also just now downloaded an over the air software update which makes the epg fly much faster.



I prefer to have just the one box.
This box does RTE and the UK freeview channels all on the one epg and for free aswell as recording them.
I believe it's the only system currently available that does that as the combo boxes can only show the 2 epg's separately.

Undoubtedly a good box to have , but I think I'll wait until the price lowers or as I said RTE starts it's own HD offering !

Macy0161

elsie1b wrote: »

Undoubtedly a good box to have , but I think I'll wait until the price lowers or as I said RTE starts it's own HD offering !

Is there any reason this receivers (or others), couldn't handle a channel switching between SD and HD, should simulcast rather than a seperate HD channel be the way RTE goes?

watty

There will be no simulcast. The RTE spec calls for dynamic codec & resolution change as per Nordig 2.0. On the UK D-book, that is an option.

Macy0161

watty wrote: »

There will be no simulcast. The RTE spec calls for dynamic codec & resolution change as per Nordig 2.0. On the UK D-book, that is an option.

Sorry, got my terminology confused. So they should be able to handle the switching then.

Verso

Thanks, Blackbriar, for the information concerning subtitles. It does seem to be an excellent box.

almighty1

Anybody receiving Preselli in Carlow? Im probably to far inland.

Edit : Nevermind just remembered the thread about Mt Leinster and Presely being on the same freq (or something). I presume thats going to have to be sorted before I can look at getting it.

Verso

Hi all,

As the cost of the Sagemcom RTI 90-32 has dropped a little I finally purchased a new box from Amazon for use with my Preseli/Mt. Leinster set up.

Whilst the box does what is promised most of the time especially in the current 'lift' conditions yet it puzzles me somewhat with specific reference to it's signal strength and quality.

The box normally shows strength and quality at 39/40% strength and 90% quality. However sometimes the quality can drop down to 2% within seconds resulting in 'No Signal, Check Antenna' type messages.

When this happens I have checked the signal quality on my faithful Technomate Combo which is still showing a signal quality of 82% /90% and the signals are still coming throughg as normal - all this on the same aerial(s) and connections.

At first I thought that the unit was faulty but now I doubt this. I went on to the Sagemcom site where they advise this unit needs signal strength and quality of at least 30% and 90% respectively.

After all of the above and if my unit is not faulty what I am now asking is
that are the Sagemcom tuners less sensitive and weaker than usual.

If it's possible at this stage,bring it back.
The answer is yes,it's tuner is very weak.
The humax t2 machine on the other hand has a very good tuner and much better UI!

Verso

Thanks Black Briar, for your comments which would seem to confirm my own experience with this unit and I might look into the possibility of exchanging it for it's Humax equivalent.

I tried the unit on Preseli which is strong at present and the Sagemcom worked fine here except when I lost reception on BBC 1 HD all of a sudden with Quality dropping from 98% to 2%. The Quality remained on the SD broadcasts at 98%. As no other set top box I have used had ever dropped so far so fast I was assuming the unit was faulty as my connections were O.K. However the Sagecom seems to do this.

Also I have a separate out door aerial trained on Mt. Leinster where the Quality on my Technomate Combo registers at a steady 95% without the help of any booster. On the other hand with the same aerial and connections the Sagemcom would vary from 98% to 2%. When I put an internal booster on the Mt. Leinster aerial for the Sagemcom it worked O.K.

Obviously as you rightly say the Sagemcom tuner would appear to be on the weak side.

It is but as discussed on other threads too,the T2 hd broadcasts have other variables affecting them.
They need a stronger signal...probably more so in the fringe areas that you and I are trying to receive them.
Bear in mind too that sudden drops in quality like that can reflect a competing signal on 50 which in my case and most likely yours is the unwanted lift visits of llandonna.
It can come in just ahead of rain fronts and not just in high pressure.