Request bouncer ID number

rossom

Was at a Dublin Nightclub last night which will remain nameless.

My friend was asked to leave for being too drunk which he did without hassle. I go outside to see if he is ok and then ask the bouncer what time the night club closes at. He tells me the time and says why did I want to know it, to which I responded that I just wanted to reaffirm it for myself. He now tells me I can't get back in because I'm making up fake words that aren't in the English language. I could see the bouncer wasn't letting me back in so I go away for about 45 minutes and try again later.

The second time he once again doesn't let me in and after a few minutes of querying why I couldn't get back in he proceeds to verbally abuse me. I then ask for his ID number (which is displayed on his jacket) which he point blank refuses to give me.

Am I, by law, entitled to get this ID number.

Cheers for any responses!

Have no idea why that laughing face is in the title of my thread!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

rossom wrote: »

Was at a Dublin Nightclub last night which will remain nameless.

My friend was asked to leave for being too drunk which he did without hassle. I go outside to see if he is ok and then ask the bouncer what time the night club closes at. He tells me the time and says why did I want to know it, to which I responded that I just wanted to reaffirm it for myself. He now tells me I can't get back in because I'm making up fake words that aren't in the English language. I could see the bouncer wasn't letting me back in so I go away for about 45 minutes and try again later.

The second time he once again doesn't let me in and after a few minutes of querying why I couldn't get back in he proceeds to verbally abuse me. I then ask for his ID number (which is displayed on his jacket) which he point blank refuses to give me.

Am I, by law, entitled to get this ID number.

Cheers for any responses!

Have no idea why that laughing face is in the title of my thread!

Why do people insist on giving bouncers the satisfaction of trying to get in even after being told they can't?

genericguy

rossom wrote: »

Have no idea why that laughing face is in the title of my thread!

i thought you were gonna say you got his ID no. and subsequently got your own way against his initial wishes.

yeah, you can probably ask for it, but he's not really going to give it to you. you're better off saying nothing and keeping your dignity tbh.

orourkeda

Couldnt you tell after your first conversation that you were not going to get anywhere with this guy?

MrStuffins

"Irish Reveller in 'Bouncers are Idiots' Shocker!!"

Thomas828

Unfortunately bouncers are nearly always a law unto themselves. They're failed policemen.

mrDerek

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why do people insist on giving bouncers the satisfaction of trying to get in even after being told they can't?

hes not askin for a rhetorical question hes askin a simple legal question.

that bein sed i dno myself

rossom

Another bit to the story which I should probably disclose. I have him on video verbally abusing me. Thats more of the reason why I wanted to know could I get his number.

Wolfe Tone

You should have went home and got the gun.

Augmerson

Jesus christ, you have him on video? Bit far don't you think? Drop the vendetta OP, dignity can still be reclaimed, not too late.

orourkeda

rossom wrote: »

Another bit to the story which I should probably disclose. I have him on video verbally abusing me. Thats more of the reason why I wanted to know could I get his number.

What do you intend on using his ID number for?

Gummy Panda

rossom wrote: »

Another bit to the story which I should probably disclose. I have him on video verbally abusing me. Thats more of the reason why I wanted to know could I get his number.

And do what with the video?

I'm pretty sure its useless as you can't record someone without their consent.

MrStuffins

Thomas828 wrote: »

Unfortunately bouncers are nearly always a law unto themselves. They've failed at life, so they become bouncers.

FYP!

genericguy

rossom wrote: »

Another bit to the story which I should probably disclose. I have him on video verbally abusing me. Thats more of the reason why I wanted to know could I get his number.

pfft. antogonising him more was most likely not the approach to take to make him change his mind.

El Weirdo

rossom wrote: »

Was at a Dublin Nightclub last night which will remain nameless.

My friend was asked to leave for being too drunk which he did without hassle. I go outside to see if he is ok and then ask the bouncer what time the night club closes at. He tells me the time and says why did I want to know it, to which I responded that I just wanted to reaffirm it for myself. He now tells me I can't get back in because I'm making up fake words that aren't in the English language. I could see the bouncer wasn't letting me back in so I go away for about 45 minutes and try again later.

The second time he once again doesn't let me in and after a few minutes of querying why I couldn't get back in he proceeds to verbally abuse me. I then ask for his ID number (which is displayed on his jacket) which he point blank refuses to give me.

Am I, by law, entitled to get this ID number.

Cheers for any responses!

Have no idea why that laughing face is in the title of my thread!

Erm...

Scrappychimow

rossom wrote: »

Another bit to the story which I should probably disclose. I have him on video verbally abusing me. Thats more of the reason why I wanted to know could I get his number.if I got his phone number, I could meet up and video him sexually abusing me

:eek:

"Hello Garda, I want to report a bouncer please, here's his number"
"Ok and what seems to be the problem"
"He said I used a word that didn't exist"

MrStuffins

genericguy wrote: »

pfft. antogonising him more was most likely not the approach to take to make him change his mind.

As if a bouncer has ever changed his mind.

"Actually Sir, i now see that you are not at all drunk and are in fact fit enough to re-enter the premises. Thank you for showing me my error! Go right in and have a good night!"

martyboy48

In my day you would have been knocked out cold for looking at him sideways

genericguy

MrStuffins wrote: »

As if a bouncer has ever changed his mind.

"Actually Sir, i now see that you are not at all drunk and are in fact fit enough to re-enter the premises. Thank you for showing me my error! Go right in and have a good night!"

i did it for a while to put myself through college, and i wasn't unnecessarily cuntish to anybody. if somebody came with a drunk mate, i'd refuse both. if the sober one returned without the mate, i'd let him in as long as he was polite.

there was one time i refused a drunk southsider, and he took out his credit card and said "fock you, I'll focking buy you. right here, right now, I'll focking buy you."

that obviously had no relevance to the story, but it made me giggle a bit while i was remembering those shitty days.

mrDerek

martyboy48 wrote: »

In my day you would have been knocked out cold for looking at him sideways

thank god its the next day

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gummy Panda wrote: »

And do what with the video?

I'm pretty sure its useless as you can't record someone without their consent.

If that were the case, investigative journalists would be ****ed. A lot of other cases would be throw out of court because the video evidence wouldn't be admissable

genericguy wrote: »

i did it for a while to put myself through college, and i wasn't unnecessarily cuntish to anybody. if somebody came with a drunk mate, i'd refuse both. if the sober one returned without the mate, i'd let him in as long as he was polite.

there was one time i refused a drunk southsider, and he took out his credit card and said "fock you, I'll focking buy you. right here, right now, I'll focking buy you."

that obviously had no relevance to the story, but it made me giggle a bit while i was remembering those shitty days.

Should have asked him to make you an offer and fax it over to your secretary on Monday morning, so your people could "liease" with his people and maybe run something up the collective flagpole and see if anything flutters.

ddef

Well....was your name on the list?

MrStuffins

genericguy wrote: »

there was one time i refused a drunk southsider, and he took out his credit card and said "fock you, I'll focking buy you. right here, right now, I'll focking buy you."

And did he?

SV

I think it's great that these threads really show the amount of gimps that get refused from night clubs.

Melion

No we dont have to give out our ID numbers. If you want it, say it to a guard. They are the only people we legally have to give it to.

Gummy Panda

Gummy Panda wrote: »

And do what with the video?

I'm pretty sure its useless as you can't record someone without their consent.

Record whoever and whatever you like, provided it's in a public place

Prof.Badass

MrStuffins wrote: »

As if a bouncer has ever changed his mind.

"Actually Sir, i now see that you are not at all drunk and are in fact fit enough to re-enter the premises. Thank you for showing me my error! Go right in and have a good night!"

Meh, I've been allowed into places after being told I can't. Obviously if the bouncer was being a dick, or i'd done something naughty I'd know there's no point , but otherwise: if you do it properly, pleading your case can work.

I get the feeling that staying civil and reserved is the key to not giving power-tripping bouncers the level of satisfaction they crave.

genericguy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Should have asked him to make you an offer and fax it over to your secretary on Monday morning, so your people could "liease" with his people and maybe run something up the collective flagpole and see if anything flutters.

genius i wasn't capable of that kind of 360 degree thinking after dark though. i was merely a double-jobbing proletarien at the time.

My name is URL

Melion wrote: »

No we dont have to give out our ID numbers. If you want it, say it to a guard. They are the only people we legally have to give it to.

There may be no legal standpoint for the OP being given the ID number, but if what he says is true, and the bouncer threw him out for the reasons stated.. then it was a dickish thing to do

MrStuffins

My name is URL wrote: »

There may be no legal standpoint for the OP being given the ID number, but if what he says is true, and the bouncer threw him out for the reasons stated.. then it was a dickish thing to do

GET OUT!!

You can't just go around making words up!

Kiwi_knock

Prof.Badass wrote: »

Meh, I've been allowed into places after being told I can't.

That is because you are a Badass

Melion

My name is URL wrote: »

There may be no legal standpoint for the OP being given the ID number, but if what he says is true, and the bouncer threw him out for the reasons stated.. then it was a dickish thing to do

From what ive read on here before its very unlikely that the OP is telling the full story. Of course there are cúnts doing the job who give us all a bad name, but id like to think im good at my job and very understanding when it comes to letting people in and putting people out.

Its amazing how often you hear people shouting "BUT I DIDNT DO ANYTHING",

****newsflash**** We dont put people out for no reason, you're not that important.

BumbleB

bluewolf wrote: »

"Hello Garda, I want to report a bouncer please, here's his number"
"Ok and what seems to be the problem"
"He said I used a word that didn't exist"

Yeah hang on and i'll type that into my invisible typewriter ..........:rolleyes:.

Abelloid

rossom wrote: »

Have no idea why that laughing face is in the title of my thread!

I think you've had enough already tonight. Go home and sleep it off.

Genrikh Yagoda

Where did you go for 45 minutes and why did you bother going back, especially if you weren't that drunk?

Wolfe Tone

Genrikh Yagoda wrote: »

Where did you go for 45 minutes and why did you bother going back, especially if you weren't that drunk?

Went and tried to get into other clubs and failed. Or he went home and couldn't find the gun.

jordan..

most bouncers are complete **** on power trips, law does not apply to them in most situations!

we should name and shame some places :P

Pauleta

admiralofthefleet

the best way to deal with a bouncer is to walk away while continually looking back at him with a smirk on your face, puts the shits up them because they think you might come back with a gang

Melion

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the best way to deal with a bouncer is to walk away while continually looking back at him with a smirk on your face, puts the shits up them because they think you might come back with a gang

Nope, afraid not.

Thats almost as bad as someone threatening you with "Do you know who i am" or "I know people". Big deal! I live in Limerick too, doesnt mean i know every Dundon, McCarthy and Keane etc.

up for anything

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the best way to deal with a bouncer is to walk away while continually looking back at him with a smirk on your face, puts the shits up them because they think you might come back with a gang

That's a bit tame. A better way to do it is to go off and find his car and loosen the nuts on the wheel.* Happened to a ex-boyfriend of mine years ago when he was doing bouncer in Kilkee and refused some Limerick guys in because they were drunk and abusive. Next morning we had to take a friend to the bus in Ennis, driving 90 miles an hour to get there in time. On the way back he was doing 40mph because he was wrecked and taking it easy, luckily, the wheel flew off the car, over a hedge and into a field.

*sarcasm, not advice.

Melion

up for anything wrote: »

That's a bit tame. A better way to do it is to go off and find his car and loosen the nuts on the wheel.* Happened to a ex-boyfriend of mine years ago when he was doing bouncer in Kilkee and refused some Limerick guys in because they were drunk and abusive. Next morning we had to take a friend to the bus in Ennis, driving 90 miles an hour to get there in time. On the way back he was doing 40mph because he was wrecked and taking it easy, luckily, the wheel flew off the car, over a hedge and into a field.

*sarcasm, not advice.

How did they know which car was his?

up for anything

Melion wrote: »

How did they know which car was his?

That was easy. It was Kilkee in 1979 - everyone knew everyone, even the weekenders and there weren't a whole heap of cars around in those days.

arybvtcw0eolkf

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

the best way to deal with a bouncer is to walk away while continually looking back at him with a smirk on your face, puts the shits up them because they think you might come back with a gang

Rubbish.

I've been doing doorwork for over 15years and never once thought twice about someone I knocked back (or out).

Best way to deal with ignorant doorstaff - shut your mouth and take your money elsewhere.

OP, coming from someone with a lot of experience in this area and a lot of experience reading such threads.. I'd say its safe you say you were probably hammered and gave the doorstaff very legit reason's to refuse you re-entry.

BumbleB

up for anything wrote: »

That's a bit tame. A better way to do it is to go off and find his car and loosen the nuts on the wheel.* Happened to a ex-boyfriend of mine years ago when he was doing bouncer in Kilkee and refused some Limerick guys in because they were drunk and abusive. Next morning we had to take a friend to the bus in Ennis, driving 90 miles an hour to get there in time. On the way back he was doing 40mph because he was wrecked and taking it easy, luckily, the wheel flew off the car, over a hedge and into a field.

*sarcasm, not advice.

Or even better ,happened in the royal oak , refused entry to some skangs ,they went to the owners 7 series , rammed the front and then the back.

BumbleB

Go back with a samarai sword and full samarai kit .Miyamoto Musashi style.

stovelid

I can't fathom why people are so concerned about being kicked out of a night club. It's happened to most people at some stage.

If they assaulted you or something, fair enough, but otherwise...life is just too short.

Plus I'm always suspicious that the type of people that are so offended by an ejection from a nightclub are also likely to have been far more haughty, condescending or insulting to the door staff than they are letting on.

Melion

stovelid wrote: »

Plus I'm always suspicious that the type of people that are so offended by an ejection from a nightclub are also likely to have been far more haughty, condescending or insulting to the door staff than they are letting on.

Exactly what i said earlier. I cant understand why people feel the need to shout abuse at us for ages after they have been put out, saying they've done nothing wrong. People dont get put out of pubs/clubs for no reason.

MikeC101

MrStuffins wrote: »

As if a bouncer has ever changed his mind.

"Actually Sir, i now see that you are not at all drunk and are in fact fit enough to re-enter the premises. Thank you for showing me my error! Go right in and have a good night!"

Not quite a bouncer changing his mind, but once, in ye olde days, I was with a few other people and the bouncer let everyone in bar me (at the Temple in Drumcondra). I was kind of surprised as I wasn't particularly drunk (plus he'd let in a load of absolutely plastered people ahead of me), so I hung around for a bit, asking him why he hadn't let me in, and pondering what to do with the rest of my night.

Eventually two of the other bouncers came over, I asked them why I hadn't been let in, and they told him to let me in. He was not impressed, and was seriously angry looking when I walked past him.

So, Mike - 1, bouncers - at least 10 by now, probably.

Edit: I've found most bouncers to be pretty nice though, it's not like they want hassle, haven't been refused from anywhere since my student days really.

arybvtcw0eolkf

MikeC101 wrote: »

Not quite a bouncer changing his mind, but once, in ye olde days, I was with a few other people and the bouncer let everyone in bar me (at the Temple in Drumcondra). I was kind of surprised as I wasn't particularly drunk (plus he'd let in a load of absolutely plastered people ahead of me), so I hung around for a bit, asking him why he hadn't let me in, and pondering what to do with the rest of my night.

Eventually two of the other bouncers came over, I asked them why I hadn't been let in, and they told him to let me in. He was not impressed, and was seriously angry looking when I walked past him.

So, Mike - 1, bouncers - at least 10 by now, probably.

Edit: I've found most bouncers to be pretty nice though, it's not like they want hassle, haven't been refused from anywhere since my student days really.

That happens a lot.

Usually happens with doors staff who have a few years on the door and don't mind admitting they've made a wrong call.

I've done similar myself.