5 reasons not to buy the iPhone 4

ar wor

According to Yahoo finance there is a few shortcomings with new iPhone 4. I think that iPhone 4 is the best one in his category. Go Apple!!!

Biggins

Waiting for the much commented on newer Android based phone.
According to reports much more accessible, user friendly, allows flash sites, allows greater apps, etc than the current load of stuff you can't do or is restricted by Apples strict rules.

Darksaga87

Biggins wrote: »

Waiting for the much commented on newer Android based phone.
According to reports much more accessible, user friendly, allows flash sites, allows greater apps, etc than the current load of stuff you can't do or is restricted by Apples strict rules.

Evo?

JohnC.

ar wor wrote: »

According to Yahoo finance there is a few shortcomings with new iPhone 4. I think that iPhone 4 is the best one in his category. Go Apple!!!

1 is irrelevant everywhere but the US.
2 isn't exactly a shortcoming of the phone, and only temporary.
3, well, who even uses that on any phone? And they are trying to work with carriers to get it working over 3G too
4, I'm not familiar with, but iPhone does predict words
5, there's more to cameras than megapixels. Once you go so high, all the megapixels in the world won't make a difference without better optics. And, I'm told, no other phone camera has a backside illuminated sensor which makes a big difference too, apparently.

dougs09

i'm bloody sick of this whole comparing android phones to iPhones and folks trying there best and hardest to justify reasons why its better then iPhone.

wether its just a clever and a brilliant bit of marketing by apple, suckering everyone in and brainwashing them, or perhaps its just a case of the iPhone genuinely being better then the android, but, the figures speak for themselves, iPhone is a much more popular phone.

heck, even the name android phone, makes me think of that big massive robot that was in lost in space

now i dont know an awful lot in terms of what the android offers in terms of apps and whatnot, but, going through youtube and seeing video reviews of them, how can anyone think one of those are better then an iPhone? they looks bloody terrible.

Biggins

Darksaga87 wrote: »

Evo?

The Droid phone.
See here: http://mashable.com/2010/06/24/iphone-4-droid-x-infographic/



One might want to read here too before rushing to buy: http://mashable.com/2010/06/23/iphone-yellow-screen-tint/

Inquitus

dougs09 wrote: »

i'm bloody sick of this whole comparing android phones to iPhones and folks trying there best and hardest to justify reasons why its better then iPhone.

wether its just a clever and a brilliant bit of marketing by apple, suckering everyone in and brainwashing them, or perhaps its just a case of the iPhone genuinely being better then the android, but, the figures speak for themselves, iPhone is a much more popular phone.

heck, even the name android phone, makes me think of that big massive robot that was in lost in space

now i dont know an awful lot in terms of what the android offers in terms of apps and whatnot, but, going through youtube and seeing video reviews of them, how can anyone think one of those are better then an iPhone? they looks bloody terrible.

Android OS has a very healthy lead over iOS4.

SolarNexus

Inquitus wrote: »

Android OS has a very healthy lead over iOS4.

In what sense?

Dman001

The Droid X, while a lovely device, takes the mobile out of mobile phone.

The likes of the Droid X and the Evo are unnecessarily big, I understand why people would want a big screen but Im sure manufacturers could fit a 4" screen into a device not much bigger than an iPhone. Personally Id rather just buy a Netbook and a small Nokia than carry around a big device like that, because realistically I couldn't comfortably fit it into my pocket.

Narcissus

SolarNexus wrote: »

In what sense?

I imagine he means there are more android users than iOS4 users.
Not sure if it's true but if it is it's not really a fair comparison for an OS that was released on Monday.

BrianD

SolarNexus wrote: »

In what sense?

It's more prevalent - mainly because its being shipped on a wider range of models and manufacturers. Apple had the lead in the smartphone market but are losing out to Android.

having said that it's interesting that iPhone owners tend to be bigger users of the "smart" and connected features of their phones. With the wider availability of smart phones, many people are still using relatively sophisticated phones (any make) for basic tasks. It seems from research taht iPhone users are more likely to use apps, web browsing etc.

Inquitus

SolarNexus wrote: »

In what sense?

In the sense that its better:

Can play common dl video formats, doesn't require you to convert everything to mp4.
Can be used as a wifi tether, something iphone can't do.
Can be used as a usb tether without having to pay for an additional data plan.
Can display the full interactive web, including flash, i.e. can be used on rte player.
Can multitask better than iOS4 can.
Can do notifications in a proper useable manner unlike iOS4 which maintains the awful everything stops notifications.
Can do drag and drop.
Doesn't require bloated and slow itunes.
Has a multitude of handsets with different options so you can target your needs.
Integrates seamlessly with your google life.
Allows widgets, which are actually incredibly useful.

and alot else besides.....

SolarNexus

BrianD wrote: »

It's more prevalent - mainly because its being shipped on a wider range of models and manufacturers. Apple had the lead in the smartphone market but are losing out to Android.

having said that it's interesting that iPhone owners tend to be bigger users of the "smart" and connected features of their phones. With the wider availability of smart phones, many people are still using relatively sophisticated phones (any make) for basic tasks. It seems from research taht iPhone users are more likely to use apps, web browsing etc.

That's not entirely accurate:



Given, that data is regarding the US smart phone market, but I think its a good indicator.

Inquitus

SolarNexus wrote: »

That's not entirely accurate:



Given, that data is regarding the US smart phone market, but I think its a good indicator.

Android shipped more units than iPhone in the US in Q1, given iPhone OS has been to market for much longer it has more units out there, doesn't mean it's more popular in the here and now, just means it's been around longer. Run the same stats for iOS v Win Mo and Symbian when iPhone was 1 year in, and you'd see they had a bigger installed base at this point in development, but were losing sales hand over fist.

OI

There are several advantages to android as of course there are with apple. I have recently jumped ship from apple to desire. If cloud computing is the way forward then i believe android to be the winner. Syncing of contacts appointments etc is effortless and free over Google. Mobile me on apple is expensive and other free solutions offer a disjointed experience.

Another major advantage of android is its compatibility with any pc and its drag and dropability without the need for another itunes type programme.

Widgets are also excellent and really need to be experienced before passing judgement. Desire is fully customizable out of the box, has free turn by turn navigation and is easy to sync and set up. The browser is also unreal.

Now I'm not too sure about build quality compared to the iPhone. There is some minor bits of light escaping from the shell particularly from the optical mouse and the inline remote on my headphones doesn't work sometimes. Battery life is also poor but prob as good as iPhone. Camera is excellent as well as flash. In fact the only thing i miss about my iPhone is the face book app and angry birds .

Narcissus

Inquitus wrote: »

In the sense that its better:

Can play common dl video formats, doesn't require you to convert everything to mp4.
Can be used as a wifi tether, something iphone can't do.
Can be used as a usb tether without having to pay for an additional data plan.
Can display the full interactive web, including flash, i.e. can be used on rte player.
Can multitask better than iOS4 can.
Can do notifications in a proper useable manner unlike iOS4 which maintains the awful everything stops notifications.
Has a multitude of handsets with different options so you can target your needs.
Integrates seamlessly with your google life.
Allows widgets, which are actually incredibly useful.

and alot else besides.....

Is flash available now for Android?
How well does it run if so?

Also, how good does the full interactive web look like on a 4 inch screen?

Inquitus

Apapaia wrote: »

Is flash available now for Android?
How well does it run if so?

Also, how good does the full interactive web look like on a 4 inch screen?

About as good as retina looks on a 3.x" screen lol, talk about pointless overkill...........

And if I had 2 phones, one with which to video, I'd show you how good the highlights of the world cup on rteplayer look on my android phone....

SolarNexus

Inquitus wrote: »

In the sense that its better:

Can play common dl video formats, doesn't require you to convert everything to mp4.
Can be used as a wifi tether, something iphone can't do.
Can be used as a usb tether without having to pay for an additional data plan. This is an issue with the Carrier, not iPhone. AFAIK o2 Ireland don't charge extra, but charge beyond your allowance.
Can display the full interactive web, including flash, i.e. can be used on rte player. Flash is being phased out by the majority of forward thinking websites, and ask anyone who uses it on a mobile device, it eats up your battery like a mofo. its a Phone after all, you cant expect it to be everything to everybody.
Can multitask better than iOS4 can. This is purely a matter of opinion, it can do more complex multitasking than iOS can, but iPhone supports 95% of background tasks that people desire.
Can do notifications in a proper useable manner unlike iOS4 which maintains the awful everything stops notifications. - I'll admit this can be somewhat annoying at times.
Has a multitude of handsets with different options so you can target your needs. - one might just as easily argue that as a problem, developers cannot target the android platform because its so fragmented. there can never be as much of a wealth of software because each device is different.
Integrates seamlessly with your google life. - you mean YOUR life. dont project your personal preferences onto others.
Allows widgets, which are actually incredibly useful. - which also drain battery and hamper performance. widgets are nothing more than eye candy, theres nothing you get from having a widget that you cant get from having an equivilent app

and alot else besides.....

it seems to me most of your arguments are of personal preference, not with actual functional problems of the platform itself.

Professey Chin

SolarNexus wrote: »

That's not entirely accurate:



Given, that data is regarding the US smart phone market, but I think its a good indicator.

Not really.The US is one of the worst markets to measure smart phone use off.The US is actually pretty prehistoric when it comes to mobile technology.When you look at how long smart phones have been used over here(I was using series 60 phones 6 years ago), the US only had Sidekicks and blackberry then.Nokias pretty much always been ignored over there

Narcissus

Inquitus wrote: »

About as good as retina looks on a 3.x" screen lol, talk about pointless overkill...........

And if I had 2 phones, one with which to video, I'd show you how good the highlights of the world cup on rteplayer look on my android phone....

my point was that it's not the full interactive web you're getting (no matter what the mobile device)

Inquitus

SolarNexus wrote: »

it seems to me most of your arguments are of personal preference, not with actual functional problems of the platform itself.

O2 charge 1c per kb for tethering unless you buy an additional bundle.

A large percentage of the internet world uses google for alot of its online life.......might be cos its free and mobile me is $100 per year!

Flash is here as the main player for well beyond the life of iOS4 and iPhone4, we can argue the merits of it aye, but to poopoo it's current relevance is the crass ignorance of a technofool.

iPhone 4 will be technologically superceded by autumn, but won't be updated til June, and some iphone updates are very incremental.

Widgets are very useful, I like being able to see things at a glance.

I also like my subtle notifications that dont stop my game of angry birds just before I explode my pigeon.

Android is alot better than iOS4 in alot of ways.

SolarNexus

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

Not really.The US is one of the worst markets to measure smart phone use off.The US is actually pretty prehistoric when it comes to mobile technology

Hmm, perhaps so, I've not got any hard data to back it up beyond that, and I think really unless one of us does, its all pretty hypothetical.

Personally, I'm of the belief that there are many more iPhone devices than Android but that Android is picking up steam pretty rapidly. I would be quite surprised if it surpassed Apple, at least for a while yet.

I did play with an Android device recently, its certainly a lot nicer than I had originally thought, but its performance isn't as slick as the iPhone either.

SolarNexus

Inquitus wrote: »

O2 charge 1c per kb for tethering unless you buy an additional bundle.

A large percentage of the internet world uses google for alot of its online life.......might be cos its free and mobile me is $100 per year!

Flash is here as the main player for well beyond the life of iOS4 and iPhone4, we can argue the merits of it aye, but to poopoo it's current relevance is the crass ignorance of a technofool.

iPhone 4 will be technologically superceded by autumn, but won't be updated til June, and some iphone updates are very incremental.

Widgets are very useful, I like being able to see things at a glance.

I also like my subtle notifications that dont stop my game of angry birds just before I explode my pigeon.

Android is alot better than iOS4 in alot of ways.

I agree with some of what you say, but I still contend its ultimately a matter of choice. I started off with a Windows Mobile and it was a decent enough experience, but I didnt love it. Before I got the iPhone I tried going with a BlackBerry because I didnt like the idea of a curated platform or walled garden, ultimately I found the BlackBerry platform provincial compared to iPhone. There was nowhere near as much innovation.

Android is certainly a different beast and has a lot of good points, but just because it's a jack of all trades, doesnt imply that its the best platform, just that its the best platform for you.

Ultimately, I think its fair to say that we wouldn't even be having this debate without the iPhone. Like it or not, the iPhone spurs the industry to innovate like its never done before; and it can only do that by being the leader in one respect or another.

Personally I put it down like this:

Android is a Jack of All Trades. It may be able to do everything, but rarely in a way thats very well done.

iOS doesn't do as much, but what it does do, it does well.

Bluehair

Meh.... I never really understand the sheer effort Apple haters put into trying to prove why everything or anything else is better than iPhone :rolleyes:

Seriously, get over yerselves

Personally Apple stuff just works for me. No messing around with steep learning curves, honestly I could care less whats running underneath. Apps that do what i want, when i want. Intuitive os and portability.

You don't like it? Find, choose and enjoy something else just don't bother moaning about other choices to make yourself feel better about your own small willy IT choices

SolarNexus

Bluehair wrote: »

Meh.... I never really understand the sheer effort Apple haters put into trying to prove why everything or anything else is better than iPhone :rolleyes:

Seriously, get over yerselves

Personally Apple stuff just works for me. No messing around with steep learning curves, honestly I could care less whats running underneath. Apps that do what i want, when i want. Intuitive os and portability.

You don't like it? Find, choose and enjoy something else just don't bother moaning about other choices to make yourself feel better about your own small willy IT choices

hahah if I could vote up a post, I would... +1

Theres so much of an anti-apple vibe from some people, it really gets old.

Inquitus

SolarNexus wrote: »

hahah if I could vote up a post, I would... +1

Theres so much of an anti-apple vibe from some people, it really gets old.

I think you miss the point, I own an iPad, because despite Jobs and Apples OS limitations its the most effective tablet out there. I also gave away my iPhone 3GS to my wife because it became far from the most effective solution out there. I am not an apple hater, I am just a techno realist, and I'll make my choices on whats the best available option, and in the smartphone market it's no longer iOS.....

SolarNexus

Inquitus wrote: »

I think you miss the point, I own an iPad, because despite Jobs and Apples OS limitations its the most effective tablet out there. I also gave away my iPhone 3GS to my wife because it became far from the most effective solution out there. I am not an apple hater, I am just a techno realist, and I'll make my choices on whats the best available option, and in the smartphone market it's no longer iOS.....

...in your opinion :P

Edit: I dont mean to suggest your a 'hater', just that your personal preferences are colouring your view of the platform. what works for you works for you, but the inherent value of a platform doesnt sway with your personal preferences. on the whole, I think iOS ticks more boxes for more people. in *my* opinion.

Inquitus

SolarNexus wrote: »

...in your opinion :P

Maybe so, but because I have an Android phone I didn't have to buy a 3G iPad because I can tether it via my Android phones 3G.........just another example of why iOS4 is losing ground, it's constrained by the Network Operators and as long as Apple is in their pocket, it will continue to haemorrhage market share to a viable and open alternative.

Hogzy

To be honest i dont think alot of you here can comment on iphone or android because id say alot of you have not used the opposite of what you have. Iv had an ipod touch and borrowed someones iphone (only for 2 days). I know have a HTC Desire. I loved my Ipod and the iphone, i still love my ipod but for what I want from a phone i find android suits me alot better than iphone. Im a techie, I like to customise what gadgets i own. Androids wallpapers (I know iOS4 has them now but it didnt before) and widget which are UNBELIEVABLY handy, i never realised how useful they can be...

Before people go saying iOS4 (Iphone 4) or Android is crap then your wrong. Both systems are excellent at what they do and are FANTASTIC pieces of technology.
For you apple fan boys i highly recommend using android for a day or two. Its a really great OS.

bk

Inquitus wrote: »

Android OS has a very healthy lead over iOS4.

Not really, Android barely outsold iPhone in Q1 2010, always the worst quarter for Apple as everyone and their dog knows that new iPhones are coming soon and hold off on buying.

We will see how these results look for Q3 2010. Also Verizon the number one carrier in the US has been heavily pushing Android in the US as it doesn't have the iPhone. Android has been much less successful in Europe where most carriers have the iPhone. If Verizon got the iPhone tomorrow, Android would be far less successful.

Also this doesn't include iPad or iPod Touch, which is fair enough as they aren't smartphones, but you say iOS4 above and these are also iOS devices.

Inquitus wrote: »

Can play common dl video formats, doesn't require you to convert everything to mp4.
Sure you can, with Jailbreak and VLC, but when playing non MPEG4 video it quickly kills the battery, just like on Android, which is why Apple doesn't allow it by default.
Can be used as a wifi tether, something iphone can't do.
Sure you can with Jailbreak and MyWi
Can be used as a usb tether without having to pay for an additional data plan.
Sure you can with Jailbreak and MyWi
Can display the full interactive web, including flash, i.e. can be used on rte player.
Nope, not a single Android phone can display flash yet, it is coming in the upcoming Android 2.2 update, but not for a few months yet and even then, flash is awful and will quickly kill your battery life. One of my favorite things about my iPad is the lack of Flash.
Can multitask better than iOS4 can.
Better is a bad term, yes it can do more multitasking features, but then it also adversely effects battery life and requires a task killer. I think Apple has a better balance that will satisfy 99% of peoples needs. BTW a jailbroken iPhone can do palm webos style multitasking which is even better then Android.
Can do notifications in a proper useable manner unlike iOS4 which maintains the awful everything stops notifications.
I agree 100%, no argument here
Can do drag and drop.
Doesn't require bloated and slow itunes.
That is a personal preference, I think for non techies iTunes is much easier to understand and use then handling files. The lack of a good media manager is actually a major weak point with Android.
Has a multitude of handsets with different options so you can target your needs.
Integrates seamlessly with your google life.
So does iOS, I'm happily using Google Email, Calendars and Contacts with over the air syncing
Allows widgets, which are actually incredibly useful.
I agree

and alot else besides.....

My take on it is that Apple constrains some of the things you can do as they can adversely effect the user experience such as kill battery life, slow the phone down, etc. By doing so they ensure their ordinary joe soap users always have a great experience.

For us techies, who want to do more extreme things like full multitasking or playing any type of video you have Android or just jailbreak your iPhone.

But I wouldn't recommend Android to my sisters, parents, etc. it just isn't as polished, simple and user friendly experience as iPhone.

OI wrote: »

There are several advantages to android as of course there are with apple. I have recently jumped ship from apple to desire. If cloud computing is the way forward then i believe android to be the winner. Syncing of contacts appointments etc is effortless and free over Google. Mobile me on apple is expensive and other free solutions offer a disjointed experience.

I use Google email, contacts and calendar sync on all my iOS devices for free, works perfectly fine.

BTW I'm not beating down on Android, I'm just trying to correct some misunderstandings, I think Android is a very interesting OS and I'm glad it is driving Apple to be more competitive.

banquo

I was going to get an android phone, but then I realized it didn't have a floppy drive.

Mellor

It's ridiculous using the mega-pixels for comparing phones.

5 and 8 MEGA-pixels wow

Shame that neither of them mention that both screens (the highest res ever) have less than 1 megapixel displays.
Even most computer screens are below 5 Mps,

Biggins

Wednesday June 09 2010

Prior to the launch of iPhone 4, I wrote a piece speculating on 10 reasons not to buy it. It questioned the ubiquity of the iPhone, the technological advancement, the cost and the distorting effect of one handset capturing all the headlines and development time.

The storm the piece provoked was unexpectedly intense, and I concede readily that Apple’s announcement has addressed a number of my concerns.

So now we know what Steve Jobs really had in mind, what do those 10 reasons look like?

On battery life and design, Apple has knocked my objections out of the park.

On my points about innovation, price, multitasking and accessories, there’s real, admittedly pre-announced, progress.

I’m tentatively giving myself 6 out of 10 when comparing my concerns to Apple’s announcement.

That’s five more than respected Apple blogger John Gruber gave me, and probably six more than I’ll get from many who engaged with the previous, provocative piece.

In summary, I’d agree with my colleague Claudine Beaumont's Apple iPhone 4 - first look – this new iPhone is clearly evolutionary rather than revolutionary, but it makes a lot of much-needed improvements.

Yet video calling is not new – ask Fring – and if a phone does HD video, I’d like to see easy ways of playing it back on a big screen (compare the Motorola XT720 with its HDMI out), for instance.

Nonetheless, the new iPhone is clearly a lovely device, and it may well prove to surpass its competitors’ achievements.

Anyway here goes. I summarise each point, grade myself and then offer a little explanation.

For the full run down you can look back at the original piece at 10 reasons not to buy Apple's new iPhone 4G .

1. It’s expensive: Buy the top-of-the-range Blackberry or Android handset and you will still pay a lot less than the extortionate prices Apple charge. Half-marks

Apple continue to make premium products, and charging premium prices. I don’t mind - if you want a budget phone, buy something else.

And this new model is not as expensive, comparatively, as its predecessors. HTC’s Desire or the Nexus One, for instance, remain cheaper, however, because a number of operators offer them for free on contracts. Quite a few people objected to my use of the word “extortionate”, while others accurately identified it as hyperbolic.

2. It’s anti-technology: When the iPhone launched it was cutting edge – now as other manufacturers announce, for instance, that you can use their phones as shareable wifi hot spots, Apple says no. Half-marks

Apple revolutionised mobile phones with the original iPhone. Other people have caught up, and in some specific instances overtaken.

This iPhone’s display and antenna, however, are innovations and deserve significant credit. The implementation of video calling may prove a breakthrough, too.

3. No Flash: The iPhone, the phone that promised to put the web into everybody’s pockets, can’t even show you most of it, because it can’t handle Flash graphics. Pass

There isn’t any Flash, and we knew there wouldn’t be. Does this matter? 85 per cent of the top 100 websites use Flash Player (according to Alexa), three-quarters of all video on the web is viewed via Flash Player, and Forrester says that 98pc of enterprises rely on Flash Player. And yes, Adobe quote those figures too, but they come from independent sources.

4. No multitasking: Tried instant messaging on an iPhone? Oh yes, you have to open the app to see if you’ve got a message. Genius. If Apple announces multitasking next it will be an improvement – but there’ll be no apology for the way it’s treated customers in the past, and no guarantee it won’t behave similarly shoddily in the future. Half marks

This is probably the point that upset people most, and I concede that the crux of it comes at the end of the paragraph and not at the beginning.

Apple made a big deal of its belated announcement to include multitasking for all customers. I maintain that where other manufacturers had solved this problem, Apple was reprehensibly tardy.

5. Its battery life is terrible. Fail

I think, in light of the A4 processor and other improvements, I should simply concede that Apple is addressing this serious issue.

6. Developing apps for it is costing you money: The special version of the BBC iPlayer, of Natwest Phone Banking, of Eon’s meter reader – developing all of these came out of money that could have been channelled away from a self-important minority and towards more generally useful ideas. Pass

This is clearly true, although there’s much debate as to whether it matters a single jot. Truth be told, I’m glad there are iPhone apps for lots of useful things, of course.

But companies should surely be more aware of alienating non-iPhone users, and potentially inhibiting competition that would benefit everybody. So in summary I'd like to see more apps, for more platforms - this is not an argument for fewer, under any circumstances.

7. It comes with offensively bad headphones. Pass

Few people deny this. Does it matter? It’s up to you. I have bought several iPods myself, so I should add it’s not a dealbreaker.

8. It’s not very well designed. Fail

The new iPhone is the best looking phone “now” on the market. I’m sure it will be lovely to use, too.

9. It charges for satnav. Pass

It does. And Google Maps is no substitute.

10. Those iPod docks are holding back better technologies. Half-marks

With this very strong product, Apple will go on defending its position. I’d like to see more competition.

Others argue that the dominance of good technologies is legitimate and reasonable. Eitherway, I can’t argue that this superb product shouldn’t be well catered for in the accessories market.

- Matt Warman

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/apple-iphone-4-an-update-on-those-reasons-not-to-buy-one-2213214.html

Original write-up: http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/10-reasons-not-to-buy-apples-new-iphone-4g-2208178.html

There are much better phones about to be released.
Using the Android system, they will also allow open source apps to be used on it alone (as well as built in features on the phones that will make the iPhone4 outdated in a matter of months).
This will allow far, far greater use than the very strict range of apps that Apple uses alone - sometimes for completely daft reasons altogether - see: http://apprejections.com

Long story short, A lot of phone specialists are advising people to wait a short while for the new Android based phones and see whats coming in the next few months. The word is they will be better served in many, many ways.

FOR EXAMPLE: http://www.geeksugar.com/HTC-EVO-4G-Lands-Sprint-Networks-June-4-8401152

or

Nokia N8
http://www.geeksugar.com/New-Nokia-N8-Phone-HD-Video-12MP-Camera-8254124


* As for the Droid - see: http://www.geeksugar.com/Droid-X-vs-Droid-Incredible-8892870

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On a lighter note: Apple has banned the use of the word "Android" in its stores. LOL
See: http://www.geeksugar.com/Apple-Wont-Allow-Word-Android-App-Store-7293635

Narcissus

Inquitus wrote: »

About as good as retina looks on a 3.x" screen lol, talk about pointless overkill...........

And if I had 2 phones, one with which to video, I'd show you how good the highlights of the world cup on rteplayer look on my android phone....

what android phone do you have?

john-joe

I was thinkg of buying an I-phone shortly, what is the difference between the i-phone 3 and the i-phone 4?

Do they have wi-fi?

How much is the I-phone 4 going to cost here in Ireland?

Thanks in advance,

JJ

Inquitus

Apapaia wrote: »

what android phone do you have?

A HTC Desire, sample of the current game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGGMVSsaTLY

and RTE player in all its glory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkoMXtK8OsI

dougs09

john-joe wrote: »

I was thinkg of buying an I-phone shortly, what is the difference between the i-phone 3 and the i-phone 4?

Do they have wi-fi?

How much is the I-phone 4 going to cost here in Ireland?

Thanks in advance,

JJ

iPhone 3(GS) are the last 2 current models of iPhone, 3GS being the last model, the third generation. 3G is the second generation.

yep they have wi-fi.
iPhone 4 will cost a fair whack whenever it's released in ireland, as at the moment its retailing for 499 or 599 sterling up north, so add the paddy tax it'll cost a fair whack, otherwise, if you get it on contract it will work out about 300 for the 32 gig, if last years prices are a guideline.

the differences between them, the iPhone 4, has a 5mp camera, a flash built in, longer battery, being able to record 720p video. front facing camera for video calls, although only over wifi at the moment, a higher quality display with higher pixels, the difference on the front screen is quite good. there is problems with the side antenna, dropping signal although this will be "fixed" with a software update.
iPhone 4 needs a micro sim to use, that's a bit of achallenge to get for some people, but work around it by cutting up the sim
iPhone 3GS, has a 3mp camera, standard video callling, no flash.

axer

Inquitus wrote: »

A HTC Desire, sample of the current game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGGMVSsaTLY

and RTE player in all its glory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkoMXtK8OsI

Wooooww, how do you get that to work? When I try that on my desire I get "This type of Flash Content is not supported".

Narcissus

Inquitus wrote: »

A HTC Desire, sample of the current game, snapped by a poor camera on my wifes phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGGMVSsaTLY

looks good, thanks for sharing.

Pittens

I wont have an Android phone because it has crap apps, no iMovie, no Retina display and no FaceTime, and the iPhone 4 has a much better industrial design than the knock offs from the android clones.

Biggens ten points - most of which are not even relevent to the iPhone 4 have easily been dismissed on the internet.

I have to ask why are the Android lovers in this forum. I wouldn't be so childish as to post "Where is the iMovie?" "Ur Stuff Sucks because you Dont have a Retina display" in an Android forum. Or Your Music Player sucks, dude! That is the Android lovers attitude, pick something unique to the Android ( wallpaper for chrissakes) and that becomes the defining point as to why the Android is better. Or widgets. I hate widgets on OS X ( where they have existed long before windows 7, or Android). They are ugly, dont conform with the UI guidelines, and - on a phone - must be batter consuming, a major worry for Apple.

Flash is a typically ideological complaint. It wasnt mentioned when the iPhone was released because no phone ran Flash - even now very few do. There is no effect on the use of the iPhone because there is nothing using Flash that I want which doesn't have an app ( which works better). All the Flash brings to the party is ads, scripts, and movies.

If you browse to Boards.ie with an iPad the embedded youtube vide will play embedded.

The supposed "restrictions" on the AppStore - generally cited by people who use the far more restricted xBox as well as Android - is also an ideological point. If anything I think Apple allows too much. Google has a gatekeeper as well, however they dont use any resouces to run proper testing on the apps, they just wait until something is dangerous and then pull it. 25% of the ( generally useless) Androids applications are information thieves.

Thats actually a major reason for the normal person not to buy an Android phone.

of course pulling an app, including one you have paid for, is quite severe. Notice how little press that act got, although people woke up to find Big Brother Google not just not allowing the applicaiton in the store, but removing it remotely.

Thats great until some popular app gets pulled because it is straining the networks.

Pittens

Secondly the nonsense about Android market share has to stop. I have already demolished the argument in a thead on these forums but the same idiocy continues. Andrdoid phones, in one disputed account, in one quarter, and in one quarter prior to the release of a new Apple phone for which there is (clearly) huge pent-up demand, matched Apples sales in the US ( where Apple have clear carrier restrictions.) because of a 2-1deal by Verizon. Thats not true worldwide where Apple had a blowout quarter - real statistics.

The fact is the iPad - which is iOs - the iPhone, the iPod touch ( where I can see the family increasing in size this year with new models), all together massively out sell android phones, and the market is much much much bigger.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/developer_still_favors_ios_over_android_and_windows_phone.html

( By the way is Angry Birds even available for the Android?)

Pittens

Lastly the iOs ia a joy to develop for, and Android sucks. And that matters.

Inquitus

Pittens wrote: »

I wont have an Android phone because it has crap apps, no iMovie and no FaceTime, and the iPhone 4 has a much better industrial design than the knock offs from the android clones.

Video calling on wifi only.......thats a revolution.........and only to other iPhone 4 users who are currently on a wifi connection.....fecking genius!

iMovie, who on earth wants to edit video on a phone? Phones of all favours are a crap way to record video as they have no optical zoom, no stabilisation, are crap in the dark, and are simply a bit of a gimmick. And editing video in any sort of a decent fashion requires a PC or Mac and real software.

Pittens wrote: »

If you browse to Boards.ie with an iPad the embedded youtube vide will play embedded.

Yes it will, but unlike android phones, iPad doesn't support HD youtube and as such it looks like **** on the iPads admittedly quite beautiful display.

You can't watch the world cup live in Ireland on your ipad or iphone, unless you use TVU Player to steal copyrighted TV, yes Apple do allow apps which are primarily used to steal copyright.

Darksaga87

I use both iphone 3gs and HTC Desire. The iphone is more of my toy, the apps are fun, but the android is much more effective when it comes to many other aspects of the phones i use. The droid is a business phone for me. Its is an amazing peice of kit with many more options than iphone.
Need to state - im not an apple hater, i love my iphone, but i think if I had to choose, droid all the way.

dougs09

its down to personal opinion, you like your android phone, and your entitled to do so.
but for me, who loves the whole fun aspect of the iPhone, along iwth what it can do, ie safari, iPod etc, and i am more then satisfied with the phone aspect of it, then for the likes of me, iPhone is the way to go.

Narcissus

Darksaga87 wrote: »

I use both iphone 3gs and HTC Desire. The iphone is more of my toy, the apps are fun, but the android is much more effective when it comes to many other aspects of the phones i use. The droid is a business phone for me. Its is an amazing peice of kit with many more options than iphone.
Need to state - im not an apple hater, i love my iphone, but i think if I had to choose, droid all the way.

what are some of the many more options?

OI

Apapaia wrote: »

what are some of the many more options?

For a start you can make a phone call whilst holding the phone in either your right OR left hand - ooooooooh

Pittens

iMovie, who on earth wants to edit video on a phone? Phones of all favours are a crap way to record video as they have no optical zoom, no stabilisation, are crap in the dark, and are simply a bit of a gimmick. And editing video in any sort of a decent fashion requires a PC or Mac and real software.

Lol.

I bet if an Android phone had iMovie, and the iPhone had widgets then Apple lovers would be told endlessly that the Android software is much better, and widgets are mere toys.

Thats the logic, if the Android has it it is a necessity, if the iPhone has it it is a toy.

With respects to Tom, these forum - supposedly for users of Apple products to discuss their products have been taken over by idiots.

I doubt that a forum on Nikon products would tolerate much nonsense from people who love Canon products **** over every single thread on any subject of a new Nikon camera.

Were I mod, any mention of the typical "WAAH WAHH WAHH the ANDROID IS BETTER" would get a permanent ban from the forum, and the Android lovers would have to scurry off to the Android forum. It is childish nonsense.

EDIT: and in the context of this forum this whole thread is a troll.

Inquitus

Pittens wrote: »

Lol.

I bet if an Android phone had iMovie, and the iPhone had widgets then Apple lovers would be told endlessly that the Android software is much better, and widgets are mere toys.

Thats the logic, if the Android has it it is a necessity, if the iPhone has it it is a toy.

With respects to Tom, these forum - supposedly for users of Apple products to discuss their products have been taken over by idiots.

I doubt that a forum on Nikon products would tolerate much nonsense from people who love Canon products **** over every single thread on any subject of a new Nikon camera.

Were I mod, any mention of the typical "WAAH WAHH WAHH the ANDROID IS BETTER" would get a permanent ban from the forum, and the Android lovers would have to scurry off to the Android forum. It is childish nonsense.

EDIT: and in the context of this forum this whole thread is a troll.

The only thing I have found childish in this thread is your commentary: it's ill informed, blinkered, and shows little or no technological knowledge.

I own among other things, an iPad, an iPhone 3GS and a HTC Desire. I feel that certainly allows me license to comment on the pros and cons of all of those 3 devices.

iMovie is a gimmick at best, much like Numbers, Keynote and Words (iWorks) are a gimmick on the iPad, these devices are simply not made for these kinds of activities, and in a few minutes on a Mac or Windows laptop you could accomplish an hours work using the iPad/iPhone.

Biggins

With the greatest of respect Pittens, if one is to discuss any Apple product (or any product for that matter), the rivals to it are always going to be mentioned in relation to it - as to how it performs, it features, etc so that a fair (or unfair?) comparison and gauged assessment can be made of any item.

To say that one can ONLY discuss Apple items in comparison to no other, is to bias any possibly fair discussion from the outset. Further more it undermines and disadvantages any progressions of present and future apps/features/etc if the Iphone or its rivals, can't be discussed and compared within the same sentence/section/whole forum.

(I have no wish to troll but while discussing various phones or whatever, I will mention the pro's and cons of each.)

Basically, how can one discuss one's item if one can't even compare it (or even be allowed compare it) to another thats different anyway?

Dades

Has anyone commenting on iMovies used it yet?

Sure a laptop or a desktop can do the job 100 times better for many tasks but it can't do it on the bus or in the dentist's waiting room.

I appreciate Apple don't do everything that can currently be done on handhelds - but I can't help but love the way they do what they can do.