yourcountryyourcall semifinals

ei.sdraob

the semifinalist have been announced

http://www.yourcountryyourcall.com/news.html

some good ideas, some rubbish ones

dan_d

Have to say having flicked through what's there I'm not overly impressed with the quality of some of the ideas.

Don't ask me to pin point which ones, I just thought some weren't great!

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jmayo

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The actual standard of English both written and spoken in this country is not so bloody great and we intent teaching the world ?
Would be great to see Chinesse diplomats coming out with Cork or Donegal accents though

danbohan

dan_d wrote: »

Have to say having flicked through what's there I'm not overly impressed with the quality of some of the ideas.

Don't ask me to pin point which ones, I just thought some weren't great!

agreed , to be honest i thought the whole idea was a load of pretensious hogwash !

hinault

My own view is that yourcountryyourcall was an ideas harvest.
Nothing more.

ei.sdraob

crap ideas full of buzwords to justify wasting money and make it appear as if the government is doing something

if we not bothered with anglo we would have been 22 billion better of ffs

RichardAnd

jmayo wrote: »

The actual standard of English both written and spoken in this country is not so bloody great and we intent teaching the world ?
Would be great to see Chinesse diplomats coming out with Cork or Donegal accents though

Might be something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8c8aBWCbtc


I've no respect for YCYC, it's just a day out for academics to trade ideas that won't work in reality. The proposals are just optimistic tautology such as a green economics and the smart economy. A real proposal like making cutbacks in superfluous spending would be ignored because it's P!ssing in the academic sand-box.


EDIT: Some of the more ridiculous ones are actually somewhat entertaining. Kind of shows how in the dark alot of people really are.

jmayo

RichardAnd wrote: »

Might be something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8c8aBWCbtc


I've no respect for YCYC, it's just a day out for academics to trade ideas that won't work in reality. The proposals are just optimistic tautology such as a green economics and the smart economy. A real proposal like making cutbacks in superfluous spending would be ignored because it's P!ssing in the academic sand-box.

Billiant.
Just shows the power of the internet and what a wonderful idea youtube was.

Did anyone suggest culling quangoes, thus relieving the ffers supporters that were appointed to the boards of these quangoes of some needed cash ?
Didn't peter mcloone do such a wonderful job over at Fás.
And don't forget celia larkin on consumer affairs :rolleyes:

Chuchoter

Wow. Like every single one of those idea's were crap.

20Cent

Thought the cloud computing one was a good idea.
Haven't looked at them all though.

ei.sdraob

20Cent wrote: »

Thought the cloud computing one was a good idea.
Haven't looked at them all though.

In Ireland? roflolroflol

1. energy is very expensive, the greens will make sure it will remain so :rolleyes:
2. bandwidth is 10x-30x more expensive than in US or Europe in bulk
3. related infrastructure is crap, and we are not at the center of many major backbones, financial companies trade in milliseconds now, the less the better

I maintain dozens of servers for a living, not a single one is in Ireland due to prohibitive costs

yes there are the likes of Microsoft and Amazon with datacenters in Ireland, but when you look under the hood these are nothing more than money laundering operations

anyways cloud computing is one of them roll eye buzzwords that means **** all in reality

RichardAnd

20Cent wrote: »

Thought the cloud computing one was a good idea.
Haven't looked at them all though.

Could be but think of the difficulty in making it work. Ireland isn't exactly a technology hub and despite the adroitness out young people show for Bebo and Facebook we are far from leaders in internet technology.

Alot of the ideas on YCYC suffer from that. They look good on paper but they are simply too far reaching, too ambitious, and would require too much money to get going. We don't need some sort of radical change where we'll be driving around in hover cars to our "sustainable", "green", "smart" jobs. The problem isn't Ireland, the problem is the Irish. We need to fix ourselves first.

RichardAnd

ei.sdraob wrote: »

yes there are the likes of Microsoft and Amazon with datacenters in Ireland, but when you look under the hood these are nothing more than money laundering operations

A good deal of their staff aren't even Irish

jmayo

Does anyone know how they work out these things ?

Will we have a kind of X factor mixed with Dragaons Den type show ?
There has to be a show, hell they are going to be saving Ireland and we need it for posterity.

BTW who are the judges ?

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ei.sdraob

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no lack of hotair either

wont work without cheap reliable energy and huge investment in infrastructure

tho the expertise is here tbh

jmayo

ei.sdraob wrote: »

In Ireland? roflolroflol

1. energy is very expensive, the greens will make sure it will remain so :rolleyes:
2. bandwidth is 10x-30x more expensive than in US or Europe in bulk
3. related infrastructure is crap, and we are not at the center of many major backbones, financial companies trade in milliseconds now, the less the better

I maintain dozens of servers for a living, not a single one is in Ireland due to prohibitive costs

yes there are the likes of Microsoft and Amazon with datacenters in Ireland, but when you look under the hood these are nothing more than money laundering operations

anyways cloud computing is one of them roll eye buzzwords that means **** all in reality

Stop it right now.

Say after me ...
We are a smart economy, we are a knowledge economy, we have loads of cheap energy coming on stream from windmills and wave technology, we have great backbone links, we have freely available high speed broadband, we have the technology, we have the buzzwords, we can rebuild the country.

And it will only cost 100,000,000,000 give or take.

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ei.sdraob

jmayo wrote: »

Stop it right now.

Say after me ...
We are a smart economy, we are a knowledge economy, we have loads of cheap energy coming on stream from windmills and wave technology, we have great backbone links, we have freely available high speed broadband, we have the technology, we have the buzzwords, we can rebuild the country.

And it will only cost 100,000,000,000 give or take.

its not that its not possible (anything is) its just it wont be cheap, hell we cant even get broadband everywhere never mind plonk a pile of datacenters
here and there, whats worse is that there is plenty empty commercial buildings that could be used



that 22 billion pissed at Anglo would have build us two of these

making Ireland a world leader in clean fusion energy

:pac:

20Cent

ei.sdraob wrote: »

In Ireland? roflolroflol

1. energy is very expensive, the greens will make sure it will remain so :rolleyes:
2. bandwidth is 10x-30x more expensive than in US or Europe in bulk
3. related infrastructure is crap, and we are not at the center of many major backbones, financial companies trade in milliseconds now, the less the better

I maintain dozens of servers for a living, not a single one is in Ireland due to prohibitive costs

yes there are the likes of Microsoft and Amazon with datacenters in Ireland, but when you look under the hood these are nothing more than money laundering operations

anyways cloud computing is one of them roll eye buzzwords that means **** all in reality

Cloud computing is more than a buzzword. It is probably the future of computing. Would be a area defo be worth investigating.

As for the rest of your post I'd say people said similar to Michael O'Leary and the other Irish entrepreneurs when they started.

ei.sdraob

20Cent wrote: »

Cloud computing is more than a buzzword. It is probably the future of computing. Would be a area defo be worth investigating.

As for the rest of your post I'd say people said similar to Michael O'Leary and the other Irish entrepreneurs when they started.

You dont understand

I am in the business (and thankfully no recession here ), and its 10-20x cheaper to startup and place alot of servers in US or Netherlands/Germany at the worlds largest internet exchanges with cheap and quality bandwidth and cheap and reliable power, than start from scratch in Ireland, i simply would not have been in business now if I located all the equipment here

This will not be possible in Ireland while we have ESB (who I worked for and know how they operate) and Eircom, and a government bent on driving business away

20Cent

ei.sdraob wrote: »

You dont understand

I am in the business (and thankfully no recession here ), and its 10-20x cheaper to startup and place alot of servers in US or Netherlands/Germany at the worlds largest internet exchanges with cheap and quality bandwidth and cheap and reliable power, than start from scratch in Ireland, i simply would not have been in business now if I located all the equipment here

This will not be possible in Ireland while we have ESB (who I worked for and know how they operate) and Eircom, and a government bent on driving business away

So why is the Microsoft Data Centre, Amazon EC2 and the IBM Cloud Computing Centres here if its so bad?

By changing the conditions to make it more attractive then it could be an opportunity.

BluntGuy

20Cent wrote: »

By changing the conditions to make it more attractive then it could be an opportunity.

Keyword is Infrastructure - more specifically communications and energy infrastructure.

High energy costs and crap broadband are big barriers.

Don't expect this to be solved while Eamon Ryan celebrates rolling out crap midband services and expensive, unreliable satellite packages in the middle of no-where, and sits idly by while vital ESB connection plans remain stuck in a pit of opposition.

Sesshoumaru

20Cent wrote: »

So why is the Microsoft Data Centre, Amazon EC2 and the IBM Cloud Computing Centres here if its so bad?

By changing the conditions to make it more attractive then it could be an opportunity.

My manager got a tour of the Microsoft place, our electricity may be expensive. But our generally cooler more predictable climate meant air con costs were lower.... or at least that was some of the info relayed to me. I can certainly believe it, keeping lots of servers & SAN's cool costs a lot of money.

20Cent

BluntGuy wrote: »

Keyword is Infrastructure - more specifically communications and energy infrastructure.

High energy costs and crap broadband are big barriers.

Don't expect this to be solved while Eamon Ryan celebrates rolling out crap midband services and expensive, unreliable satellite packages in the middle of no-where, and sits idly by while vital ESB connection plans remain stuck in a pit of opposition.

A cloud computing company would require access to the Internet backbone. People having crap broadband in the middle of no-where would be immaterial. We don't suffer power outages and have a predictable cool climate. Electricity costs could be discounted.

ei.sdraob

20Cent wrote: »

So why is the Microsoft Data Centre, Amazon EC2 and the IBM Cloud Computing Centres here if its so bad?

By changing the conditions to make it more attractive then it could be an opportunity.

These are huge companies with alot of money to spend, not the case with small native startups :rolleyes: who the likes of enterprise ireland ignore, Microsoft probably has enough cash to buy out what's left of this country

as I said alot of these companies are in Ireland to wash money thru' that much is not a secret
There's more datacenter space outside Schiphol than there is on the whole of this country, and yes they have a similar enough climate

20Cent

ei.sdraob wrote: »

These are huge companies with alot of money to spend, not the case with small native startups :rolleyes: who the likes of enterprise ireland ignore, Microsoft probably has enough cash to buy out what's left of this country

as I said alot of these companies are in Ireland to wash money thru' that much is not a secret
There's more datacenter space outside Schiphol than there is on the whole of this country, and yes they have a similar enough climate

Who said it was just for startups?
The proposal is to get companies from target sectors to establish bases here.

ei.sdraob

20Cent wrote: »

Who said it was just for startups?
The proposal is to get companies from target sectors to establish bases here.

sigh, best of luck then

hmmm

Cloud computing datacentres provide feck all jobs.

Most of those proposals are pretty rubbish, in particular:

ISSC Dublin. A new world class business hub for Dublin. An international leader in communication innovation and the knowledge economy that will create employment directly and in a range of ancillary services.

And that's it. WTF, were these picked at random?

RichardAnd

"innovation". That has to be the king of all buzz words.

For Forks Sake

RichardAnd wrote: »

"innovation". That has to be the king of all buzz words.

"smart economy" :rolleyes:

djpbarry

I propose that we make Ireland a world-leader in proposing proposals...

BluntGuy

ISSC Dublin. A new world class business hub for Dublin. An international leader in communication innovation and the knowledge economy that will create employment directly and in a range of ancillary services.

World leader in bullsh*t speak.

I'm honestly dissappointed, I thought we'd get at least a selection ofgood proposals making it through. Most of these are mediocre at best.

kuntboy

Did anyone seriously believe these ideas would be any good? It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

dan_d

The theory was good, but as I said, flicking through I wasn't overly impressed...someone else said it well....lots of buzzwords, lots of computer this and internet that, not much by way of something that seems actually sustainable.

ednwireland

i reckon i could use a few of these http://www.dack.com/web/bull****.html and come up with that

extend customized infrastructures
innovate wireless initiatives
optimize leading-edge models
Digital, enterprise simulation
Holistic, integrated paradigm
recontextualize cutting-edge technologies


S**t, should have entered

or you could invest in my new company CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet

Welease

Did anyone here throwing stones submit a better idea?

djpbarry

Welease wrote: »

Did anyone here throwing stones submit a better idea?

See post #33.

RichardAnd

Welease wrote: »

Did anyone here throwing stones submit a better idea?

Probably not, I certainly didn't because I knew/know nothing will come of it. The problem with many of the suggestions is that most of them were made by someone at their lunch break and inspired by some Wikipedia article on technology.

The problem with these "innovations" is that they list the solution without suggesting how to implement them or where the money will come from.

Welease

RichardAnd wrote: »

Probably not, I certainly didn't because I knew/know nothing will come of it. The problem with many of the suggestions is that most of them were made by someone at their lunch break and inspired by some Wikipedia article on technology.

The problem with these "innovations" is that they list the solution without suggesting how to implement them or where the money will come from.

But my point is...

Lots of people on here are so confident they have the solutions to Irelands problems
Lots of people on here complain about their negative equity

Seemed like a simple solution, submit your amazing ideas and get 100K to sort out that neg. equity... Win Win

or maybe .. it's just easier to throw stones and do nothing (classic Irish traits)

RichardAnd wrote: »

The problem with these "innovations" is that they list the solution without suggesting how to implement them or where the money will come from.

Nothing was stopping people here from suggesting ideas with the detail on implementations and funding.

johnnyskeleton

Welease wrote: »

Did anyone here throwing stones submit a better idea?

Of course not.

Anyone with a half workable new business idea would keep it to themselves and their financiers, and wouldn't throw it out randomly on the internet for everyone to copy.

That is why this thing has necessarily become a place for vague ideas.

Welease

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Of course not.

Anyone with a half workable new business idea would keep it to themselves and their financiers, and wouldn't throw it out randomly on the internet for everyone to copy.

That is why this thing has necessarily become a place for vague ideas.

But wasn't there a 100K prize for the best idea?

Those complaining about % pay cuts on 20K salary with the answers to all this countries problems could have made a killing

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Welease

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lol.. well at least you tried

RichardAnd

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Of course you didn't get shortlisted, it's not innovative enough

the prize money will probably go to some academic who's never left his ivory tower and once he has his cash, his idea will gather dust on a shelf.

I like your suggestion but it's not really original, it's what anyone with a proper understand of the world would want. Fair play for trying though man

dusty207

jmayo wrote: »

Does anyone know how they work out these things ?

Will we have a kind of X factor mixed with Dragaons Den type show ?
There has to be a show, hell they are going to be saving Ireland and we need it for posterity.

BTW who are the judges ?

My inside sources reliably advise that there will be an expert panel of three. The shortlist currently is Derek Davis, Twink, Marty Whelan, Dana and Dustin the Turkey although this may be expanded if Steve Staunton and Jackie Healy Rae get back from holidays in time.

Rancidmaniac13

Was the voting support going to have any effect on which ideas were picked for the shortlist?

Looks like the voters picked the best one to me.

It's simple and easy to implement, unlike the completely over-ambitious others, and it could really make a difference to people. Instead of some pie in the sky "centre of excellence" that'll never get off the ground and will probably end up a huge waste of money.

hmmm

Rancidmaniac13 wrote: »

Looks like the voters picked the best one to me.

It's simple and easy to implement, unlike the completely over-ambitious others, and it could really make a difference to people. Instead of some pie in the sky "centre of excellence" that'll never get off the ground and will probably end up a huge waste of money.

Great, a quack medicine is going to save the country? We should open a homeopathy centre of excellence to leverage the synergies inherent in these innovative products.

lostdesign

The list of judges is on this page:

http://www.yourcountryyourcall.com/about.html

From here the 20 are given a mentor and they have six weeks to develop there idea, then there will be a final 5 selected with two winners each receiving 100k and then 500k is invested in each.

I think a number of the ideas are quite similar which seems a bit odd considering they had over 9000 to pick from!

Also they didn't just pick these 20 out of the air, they had a final 40, interviewed each person and then made their choice, it will be interesting to see what wins and if the idea will actually succeed.

As some other posters said, there are alot of buzz words but then the snippet we get to read is only an intro so were getting the bare bones of the proposal, hopefully they have the detail required to get their idea up and running....

crixus veritas

I was 100% behind the principles of this competition until the semi-finalists were announced, mocking those other 9000 who bothered to enter.

Of the supposed Top 20:
We see celebrity entrepreneur Brody Sweeney, dig out for the boys one wonders and how many times did his suggestion pop up in plenty of other unconnected proposals.
2 Ideas which it is clear judging from the timeline and the first comment left on gaming idea 1, that Idea 2 showed sod all originality, and 2 of the same anyway, really, were the other 9000 that uninspiring.
And 2 ideas whose sole originality was to focus on the YCYC marketing blurb calling for the next IFSC, so they came up with ISSC and IHSC. Truly the transformation will come from these 20.