Any suggestions on good runners with good arch support??

nikki79

Hi,
I just got new arch supports insoles as I have bowed achilles tendons & get pains in the lower part of my calves when running from over pronating. I have to buy a new pair of runners as I have done well over 500miles with the pair i have but am now wondering weather to go for a runner with already built in good support or get a neutral runner and put in my new arch supports??? I run about 35/40 miles a wk.
The arch supports only cost 40eur and I have worn them twice both times i have got blisters on my archs but probably my own fault as have not broken them in properly. So can any one tell which to go for runner with support r runner without & insert insoles??
Also can anyone suggest a brand of runner thats good for my problem.
I was looking at the nike lunarglide+ and the asics gel kayano 16 they both sound like a good runner but dont no which to go for??
Sorry about the long post but Need runners asap!

Transform

its all about getting the right shoe for your foot type so best to get fitted properly.

My article on this will help you - http://thetransformationcatalyst.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/how-to-pick-the-right-runners-for-you/

TommyKnocker

Hi Nikki79

Transform is a PT and knows what he is talking about. However in my unqualified opinion, if you are currently running in neutral shoes with an added supportive insole and have no injury worries, then my personal rule is "if it's not broke, don't fix it" I would buy another pair of the runners you are currenly using and add in your insoles.

Sometimes switching show types or brands cna lead to niggling injuries that were not there previously.

Though it you want to get your feet checked, AFAIK Elevery's in Suffolk St and Irish Fit in Dun Laoghaire both offer gait analysis, which can be used to chose a shoe that is suited to your running gait.


Best Regards,

M

Dotcomdolly

The very best place for gait analysis imo is Amphibian King in Bray, they are very thorough. You need to make an appt but they are well worth the trip.

Jay Pentatonic

I think there's a place in bray that's called "amphibian king" which sorts out that stuff for you. They have a great selection of runners, all with different arc support.
I'm sure they test people's arcs as well, since it's a shop dedicated to running, unlike elverys or lifestyle sports.

I can't remember where exactly it is in bray, I'd say if you google it you'll find it

Jay Pentatonic

Dotcomdolly, you beat me to it!!

banshee_bones

nikki79 wrote: »

Hi,
I just got new arch supports insoles as I have bowed achilles tendons & get pains in the lower part of my calves when running from over pronating. I have to buy a new pair of runners as I have done well over 500miles with the pair i have but am now wondering weather to go for a runner with already built in good support or get a neutral runner and put in my new arch supports??? I run about 35/40 miles a wk.
The arch supports only cost 40eur and I have worn them twice both times i have got blisters on my archs but probably my own fault as have not broken them in properly. So can any one tell which to go for runner with support r runner without & insert insoles??
Also can anyone suggest a brand of runner thats good for my problem.
I was looking at the nike lunarglide+ and the asics gel kayano 16 they both sound like a good runner but dont no which to go for??
Sorry about the long post but Need runners asap!

Personally I would go with the Asics Kayanos, the Kayanos IIRC have something called an Impact Guidance System as a measure to keep your foot in line to help with people who under/over pronate. Theyre also a very overall decent running shoe.

rainbow kirby

banshee_bones wrote: »

Personally I would go with the Asics Kayanos, the Kayanos IIRC have something called an Impact Guidance System as a measure to keep your foot in line to help with people who under/over pronate. Theyre also a very overall decent running shoe.

I've had 5 pairs of Kayanos already, but am not too fond of the new version - the asymmetric lacing makes it feel like my little toe is being strained.

OP - go to Amphibian King or Runways and get gait analysis done. That said - if you know you're an overpronator, other shoe suggestions would be Brooks Adrenaline 10, New Balance 1225 or 760 (good if you've got wide feet), Mizuno Wave Inspire or Wave Alchemy, Asics 2150 or Nike Structure Triax 13 (Lunarglide may not have enough support for you).

Transform

get fitted - period

nikki79

Hi guys,
Thanks for all the posts & advice. Sounds like I should travel to Bray and check out this running shop. Hopefully can get up there in next few wks.
I dont fancy getting bislters everytime I go running yet if I take them out I dont fancy gettin pains in my Achilles/calves either!!

Rainbow kirby Iv heard a few people sayin the the same thing as you about the new version of kayanos. They have the issue with the asymmetric lacing hurting there big too. So not sure if I'll be going for them. I have Asics 2150 at the moment so may possible go for these again but will see how I get on in amphibian king 1st.

Cheers

activegal

Hi Nikki79 - if Bray is out of the way, do not write off Elverys Dundrum - Ask for Kevin (English) - he is head of their Gait Testing and is very knowledgeable. He is every bit as thorough as Amphibian King - this is not an anti-Amphib post by the way, just might be handier for you get to Dundrum?! - and they do now have a broader range of running brands available there (see Rainbow Kirbys suggestions above). I have referred alot of people to Kevin and they have always commended / returned to him. He has a huge Running background & Sports therapy background too, which helps.

Sorry for stating the obvious, but make sure to bring your supports with you when going!

Best of Luck

opinion guy

I've found Asics give me decent arch support

SM01

I was recommended Asics GT 2150 by a podiarist who attended a running shop twice a month for my specific condition (that was in Edinburgh). Best talk to an expert though and AK in Bray have gotten roundly excellent reviews on here and from a few friends who have attended.

digme

nikki79 wrote: »

Hi,
I just got new arch supports insoles as I have bowed achilles tendons & get pains in the lower part of my calves when running from over pronating. I have to buy a new pair of runners as I have done well over 500miles with the pair i have but am now wondering weather to go for a runner with already built in good support or get a neutral runner and put in my new arch supports??? I run about 35/40 miles a wk.
The arch supports only cost 40eur and I have worn them twice both times i have got blisters on my archs but probably my own fault as have not broken them in properly. So can any one tell which to go for runner with support r runner without & insert insoles??
Also can anyone suggest a brand of runner thats good for my problem.
I was looking at the nike lunarglide+ and the asics gel kayano 16 they both sound like a good runner but dont no which to go for??
Sorry about the long post but Need runners asap!

cut the back out of your runners then you might not get Achilles injuries. not medical advice just something i've done in the past.

http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_ExpensiveRunningShoes.htm

interesting read. i wear 100 gram runners myself and never get injuries.

Transform

some foam rolling for achilles and calves would be another suggestion

Barry.Oglesby

nikki79 wrote: »

Hi,
I just got new arch supports insoles as I have bowed achilles tendons & get pains in the lower part of my calves when running from over pronating. I have to buy a new pair of runners as I have done well over 500miles with the pair i have but am now wondering weather to go for a runner with already built in good support or get a neutral runner and put in my new arch supports??? I run about 35/40 miles a wk.
The arch supports only cost 40eur and I have worn them twice both times i have got blisters on my archs but probably my own fault as have not broken them in properly. So can any one tell which to go for runner with support r runner without & insert insoles??
Also can anyone suggest a brand of runner thats good for my problem.
I was looking at the nike lunarglide+ and the asics gel kayano 16 they both sound like a good runner but dont no which to go for??
Sorry about the long post but Need runners asap!

It's about 5 years since I've done anything like the kind of mileage you're on about but here's my take:
1. for the achilles problem, have you been prescribed stretches and ankle mobility work?
2. I have pretty good arches and have never sufferred but a lot of my friends have. 99.9% of all runners are made with an average foot in mind. The other .01% that are made for bad arches are made with the most common arch conditions in mind. Neither of these scenarios are likely to fit your problem unless you get really, really lucky and find a runner in your size that fits your arches and foot perfectly. I don't think that will happen so if you have the supports, why not wear them. Blisters are an occupational hazard.
3. I had my gait analysed. I bought a pair of expensive runners based on the analysis, within 2 weeks I was wearing my Kayanos again because there literally was no difference in the new runners and my Kayanos were more comfortable. I think most people who go to get their gait analysed come away with a pair of trainers and some cognitive dissonance for their troubles. They're unwilling to admit they just paid €200 for little or no difference. Bad news folks, it's not your runners, it's that you're running 25k a week on pavement. Runners can help slightly but in terms of what you need, a good pair of shop-bought ones are probably what most of the population need. Most people don't do the mileage to justify the expense.

opinion guy

digme wrote: »

cut the back out of your runners then you might not get Achilles injuries. not medical advice just something i've done in the past.

http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_ExpensiveRunningShoes.htm

interesting read. i wear 100 gram runners myself and never get injuries.

Ok whilst I get the barefoot argument and it does seem valid, this hippy 'oh the trainer companies are evil empires' **** annoys me. If barefoot had no disadvantages we would all do it all the time. Fact is: shoes, runners, trainers, whatever all serve one vital function - they stop you from getting stabbed in the foot by random sticks, stones etc. And they do it better than thin leather skins. So i think we can just ignore this idea of evil trainer executives in a dark room with flaming torches, drinking blood and laughing maniacally at the numbers of people having running injuries......muwuahahahahahaaha

Will Heffernan

nikki79 wrote: »

Hi,
I just got new arch supports insoles as I have bowed achilles tendons & get pains in the lower part of my calves when running from over pronating. I have to buy a new pair of runners as I have done well over 500miles with the pair i have but am now wondering weather to go for a runner with already built in good support or get a neutral runner and put in my new arch supports??? I run about 35/40 miles a wk.
The arch supports only cost 40eur and I have worn them twice both times i have got blisters on my archs but probably my own fault as have not broken them in properly. So can any one tell which to go for runner with support r runner without & insert insoles??
Also can anyone suggest a brand of runner thats good for my problem.
I was looking at the nike lunarglide+ and the asics gel kayano 16 they both sound like a good runner but dont no which to go for??
Sorry about the long post but Need runners asap!

As per usual Barry has baited me into posting...so I will even though I should be training and or working.

1. You are better off buying 2 pairs of cheap comfortable runners than one pair of expensive ones and alternating the use of them for subsequent runs...EVA can take longer than 24 hours to decompress.

2. Cheap or expensive...it doesn't matter...after about 500km the qualities for which you bought your shoes for are no longer there...as in there impact cushioning is done...so after that time you are just running along in really expensive foot wrappings.

3. The reason I know this is because in the distant past I did actually make my living based on my running...I was sponsored...and one of my sponsors was a major shoe manufacturer and it was their rep that told me so.

4. Buying expensive runners is the equivalent of buying an expensive handbag...yes, they look great and some of your friends will think you are super cool....but the reality is that they are not doing any better a job than the cheaper version.

So all this talk of gait analysis and shoe fitting I think is quite ridiculous...I don't know a single professional runner than has ever done such a thing and I know a lot and have coached a good few.

Find a decent shoe that fits and feels comfortable and then buy 2 pair.

nikki79

Will Heffernan wrote: »

As per usual Barry has baited me into posting...so I will even though I should be training and or working.

1. You are better off buying 2 pairs of cheap comfortable runners than one pair of expensive ones and alternating the use of them for subsequent runs...EVA can take longer than 24 hours to decompress.


Find a decent shoe that fits and feels comfortable and then buy 2 pair.

Any suggestions so on 2 cheap pairs of runners??

digme

opinion guy wrote: »

Ok whilst I get the barefoot argument and it does seem valid, this hippy 'oh the trainer companies are evil empires' **** annoys me. If barefoot had no disadvantages we would all do it all the time. Fact is: shoes, runners, trainers, whatever all serve one vital function - they stop you from getting stabbed in the foot by random sticks, stones etc. And they do it better than thin leather skins. So i think we can just ignore this idea of evil trainer executives in a dark room with flaming torches, drinking blood and laughing maniacally at the numbers of people having running injuries......muwuahahahahahaaha

Run with my your eyes open.

opinion guy

digme wrote: »

Run with my your eyes open.

I'm shortsighted:rolleyes:

Will Heffernan

nikki79 wrote: »

Any suggestions so on 2 cheap pairs of runners??

Just depends on you type of foot. I've a broad forefoot and dodgy ankles so New Balance tend to suit me best as they have plenty of shoes built on a straight last and have really hard heel counters...so....my shoe selection personally revolves around my finding a shoe with a straight last, a hard heel counter and that happens to most importantly be on sale/special.

mprop

I went down to this crowd in Bray and they were able to get me a good pair of runners. The service was excellent. I have a similar problem to you.

http://www.amphibianking.ie/