Has anyone Maxed out a gun's upgrade?

Jamyduff

I'm trying to max out the M16 assault rifle.

I am close to 1000 kills and need only 8 FMJ penetration kills.
Not sure how many headshots are left.

Was wondering if you get a Gold version of a maxed out gun or not?

Jev/N

I've unlocked all attachments for most guns, currently working on the Vector, MG4 and Intervention

Nope, you just get one of these for all attachments



By the way, you have to go to 2,500 kills with the gun for this



And, 1,000 headshots for this

Jamyduff

Jev/N wrote: »

By the way, you have to go to 2,500 kills with the gun for this

I have obviously not got over 1000 kills on any weapon! I have all unlockables on the AUG HBAR.
Have you maxed out absolutely everything on any gun? Full kills and full headshots?

shanec1928

intervention

hightower1

Jamyduff wrote: »

I'm trying to max out the M16 assault rifle.

I am close to 1000 kills and need only 8 FMJ penetration kills.
Not sure how many headshots are left.

Was wondering if you get a Gold version of a maxed out gun or not?

Most overpowered gun in the whole game. Needs a good nerfing.

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

Most overpowered gun in the whole game. Needs a good nerfing.

Wrong.

Jamyduff

forza rovers wrote: »

intervention

I have a question about the snipers. When you quick scope is the game just more inclined to give the kill even if you are slightly off target or is it actually bang on the money every time?

I have pulled off a few quick scopes and it felt like i was a bit off the mark.

Kev_ps3

hightower1 wrote: »

Most overpowered gun in the whole game. Needs a good nerfing.

Not really. Secondary weapons and knife are too overpowered in the game.

shawpower

Jamyduff wrote: »

I have a question about the snipers. When you quick scope is the game just more inclined to give the kill even if you are slightly off target or is it actually bang on the money every time?

I have pulled off a few quick scopes and it felt like i was a bit off the mark.

The hit detection for snipers is very generous, even more so for QuickScopes. Possibly that is just on the Consoles and it's tighter on the PC...

irish_goat

I'm having a nightmare getting 40 kills with FMJ for the assault rifles but I've found Favela is a decent level for using it as you can fire at people hiding behind walls on the rooftops/aiming up at the rooftops. Tbh, I'm happy getting 1 or 2 FMJ kills per match and don't care what my K/D ratio is, just want to get it unlocked and out of the way!

gimli2112

irish_goat wrote: »

I'm having a nightmare getting 40 kills with FMJ for the assault rifles but I've found Favela is a decent level for using it as you can fire at people hiding behind walls on the rooftops/aiming up at the rooftops. Tbh, I'm happy getting 1 or 2 FMJ kills per match and don't care what my K/D ratio is, just want to get it unlocked and out of the way!

FMJ Kills - shoot through windows
Terminal/Sub base are great maps for this.
Scrapyard and Derail are good for FMJ kills and anywhere else you find sheet metal Crash/Rundown etc.
If you're having trouble with the ARs wait till you try the smgs (except the ump which is easy enough)

shawpower

gimli2112 wrote: »

FMJ Kills - shoot through windows
Terminal/Sub base are great maps for this.
Scrapyard and Derail are good for FMJ kills and anywhere else you find sheet metal Crash/Rundown etc.
If you're having trouble with the ARs wait till you try the smgs (except the ump which is easy enough)

I find Scrapyard is quite good if you run with UAV in tandem. That way you can clearly see when guys are sitting in the L plane section and just blast them through the walls.

Also the generator room in Subbase is handy enough too, as the chain link fencing will get you a few. And then windows in Highrise etc.

Doyler92

On my previous prestige I was getting all attachments for my Intervention.

I had done everything barr the FMJ one.

On 39/40 kills I got a collateral which got me my Extended Mags :cool:

Jamyduff

forza rovers wrote: »

intervention

Just to clarify then do you have a gold Intervention?

I remember in MW1 that people had Gold AK47's and stuff but i got into that game way too late. I got into this one pretty late too but fancied getting a couple of gold guns unlocked. Am i wasting my time?
(I know that strictly: yes i am wasting my time by playing the game! but what i mean is can you actually unlock gold versions of guns?!) :P

iMuse

There are no Gold guns to unlock in MW2 whatsoever. The only thing you can unlock is Titles, emblems and camos up to Fall. Stupid decision by IW because i enjoyed unlocking all the gold guns in COD4

Jev/N

Haven't unlocked everything on any gun yet, change what guns I use regularly enough

I'm assuming you've prestiged so you have the extra challenges?

And no, as already said, no gold guns in MW2

shawpower

Jev/N wrote: »

Nope, you just get one of these for all attachments

Think I have that for the SCAR, TAR and FAMAS so far. Close to getting it for the M4 this time around, and might try to sneak in the ACR also. Can you get it for the Secondary's as well, or just the primarys?

Jev/N

shawpower wrote: »

Think I have that for the SCAR, TAR and FAMAS so far. Close to getting it for the M4 this time around, and might try to sneak in the ACR also. Can you get it for the Secondary's as well, or just the primarys?

It's only for primaries, as the attachments unlock on secondaries automatically with more kills.

Mine so far:

Assault: M4, FAMAS, M16, TAR, SCAR, ACR
Sub: UMP, P90, MP5K
LMG: L86, AUG, RPD
Snipe: Barrett

I'm actually more concerned about completing challenges than my k/d!

shawpower

Jev/N wrote: »

It's only for primaries, as the attachments unlock on secondaries automatically with more kills.

Yeah, I thought as much. I have gotten through to full unlock on a lot of the shotguns and MP's but no titles, so that explains it.

I'm actually more concerned about completing challenges than my k/d!

In many ways, it's possibly a more fun way to play. You are looking for loads of kills rather than trying to play defensively and not die. Of course if you're going negative, you woudn't be much fun to have on a team. :)

Angron

I once had all the unlocks for the AUG HBar, then I reset everything. Right now, I think I need 38 FMJ kills with the SCAR to get mastery for it, I'll need to get a decent few games in something like Highrise to rack up kills towards getting Extended Mags and Mastery.


Can't wait to hit level 32 (I think?) to get my beloved AUG back and get some kills with it.

Liam O

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Not really. Secondary weapons and knife are too overpowered in the game.

Yeah, getting sniped by an M16 from across the map is fair...

Angron

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Not really. Secondary weapons and knife are too overpowered in the game.

Well it's not so much the knife as the perk allowing you to jump 4 or 5 feet.

The Floyd p

I mastered the UMP and the Tar-21
I have presteiged once and am still working my way to 70 (on 44) so haven't mastered anything yet
Probably closest with the Intervention

Jamyduff

Denny M wrote: »

I once had all the unlocks for the AUG HBar, then I reset everything. Right now, I think I need 38 FMJ kills with the SCAR to get mastery for it, I'll need to get a decent few games in something like Highrise to rack up kills towards getting Extended Mags and Mastery.


Can't wait to hit level 32 (I think?) to get my beloved AUG back and get some kills with it.

AUG HBar destroyed my accuracy rating! Well i destroyed my accuracy rating by using it. I switched from FAL and M16 to this and got very very trigger happy. Went from about 25% to like 18% im back to 19% even but sometimes i'm afraid to shoot in case i miss Im getting over checking my stats after every game though.

Angron

Jamyduff wrote: »

AUG HBar destroyed my accuracy rating! Well i destroyed my accuracy rating by using it. I switched from FAL and M16 to this and got very very trigger happy. Went from about 25% to like 18% im back to 19% even but sometimes i'm afraid to shoot in case i miss Im getting over checking my stats after every game though.

I never found it that inaccurate, with the grip it was pretty solid for me. More assault rifle than LMG really. Not like the other LMGs anyway :P

hightower1

shawpower wrote: »

Wrong.

Nope,..... right.

Kev_ps3

Liam O wrote: »

Yeah, getting sniped by an M16 from across the map is fair...

lol sniped, its not like the m16 is a handgun:rolleyes:

Denny M wrote: »

Well it's not so much the knife as the perk allowing you to jump 4 or 5 feet.

no the knife is way too overpowered compared to most guns in this game, too many times ive put 2-3 bullets into a guy close to me and he has just instant knife killed me. They should make it a 1 shot kill on any gun from close range to combat that BS

hightower1

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

no the knife is way too overpowered compared to most guns in this game, too many times ive put 2-3 bullets into a guy close to me and he has just instant knife killed me. They should make it a 1 shot kill on any gun from close range to combat that BS

I think the knife is fine? Commando is a joke though.
The m16 is massivly over powered, the argument of it ONLY being three round burst is ridiculous too as 2-3 shots from the bloody thing anywhere on the body kills! Laser pointer accuarcy with the stopping power of a tank = needs to be nerfed super badly.

Game winning kill cam last night on MTDM where the guy was shot TWICE and died! (leg and torso) Not a single one was a headshot and as many snipers know its a common occurance to have to shoot someone twcie with a SNIPER RIFLE for a kill..... this is a bloody assault rifle for gods sake and has the same stopping power???

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

I think the knife is fine? Commando is a joke though.
The m16 is massivly over powered, the argument of it ONLY being three round burst is ridiculous too as 2-3 shots from the bloody thing anywhere on the body kills! Laser pointer accuarcy with the stopping power of a tank = needs to be nerfed super badly.

Game winning kill cam last night on MTDM where the guy was shot TWICE and died! (leg and torso) Not a single one was a headshot and as many snipers know its a common occurance to have to shoot someone twcie with a SNIPER RIFLE for a kill..... this is a bloody assault rifle for gods sake and has the same stopping power???

Again, I think you're wrong. It's identical damage stats to the Famas*. Two bullets from a FAL will kill regardless of where they hit. The TAR/SCAR/AK47 are all two bullet kills that allow you to spray as well, so easier to use than the burst fire guns. A Barrett/Intervention will usually kill in 1 bullet. So at this stage that is 8 guns that fall into your definition of overpowered. Shotguns kill in 1 shot, so there's another 6. We're now up to 14 guns that are "overpowered". Throw in the Machine Pistols and UMP for quick kills and you're at about 18 guns. The L86/RPD and AUG all are two shot kills at any range. The Magnum has insane range with high damage, so lash that in too. So now we're up to 22 guns, which is why I said wrong. Everything can't be overpowered. That's like saying everything is unique. The game is set up to be fast paced with lots of action. Which means that you die quickly, from lots of weapons. Whether you like this or not is another point, but the m16 is not overpowered compared to a vast number of the guns in the game.

Another point is that everyone playing the game is looking for the best loadout to give them an advantage over other people so they can get the big scores/killstreaks. So everyone wants to use the best weapons, as seen by so many people using the Akimbo 1887's before they were nerfed, and why so many people use the Commando perk or NoobTube & Danger Close combo. But to be honest, the M16 is not that common a gun to get killed with. So the masses don't think it's better than everything else on offer. Which suggest it isn't "overpowered".

* Edit. I'm wrong. The Famas is identical in all other stats, but has better damage over range, so is actually a more powerful gun.

Kev_ps3

hightower1 wrote: »

I think the knife is fine? Commando is a joke though.
The m16 is massivly over powered, the argument of it ONLY being three round burst is ridiculous too as 2-3 shots from the bloody thing anywhere on the body kills! Laser pointer accuarcy with the stopping power of a tank = needs to be nerfed super badly.

Game winning kill cam last night on MTDM where the guy was shot TWICE and died! (leg and torso) Not a single one was a headshot and as many snipers know its a common occurance to have to shoot someone twcie with a SNIPER RIFLE for a kill..... this is a bloody assault rifle for gods sake and has the same stopping power???

If the m16 is so good then why does no one use it?? I hardly ever get killed by an m16. The bullets do more damage but its a burst gun, takes more skill to use then just spraying.

shay

Have nearly all done on the SCAR, just a pain-in-the-ass number of headshots left to get (about 70).

Jamyduff

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

If the m16 is so good then why does no one use it?? I hardly ever get killed by an m16. The bullets do more damage but its a burst gun, takes more skill to use then just spraying.

You should use it! M16 kicks ass. If you have stopping power and FMJ then one pull of the trigger kills. You just have to make sure that all three of the round burst land from any range and its a kill. I usually give it a second squirt to be sure.

Force yourself to play with the FAL for a while and then when you move on to M16 you will be an animal!

.SONIC.

i almost have the acr maxed out!! i have all the attachements, a few hundred kills and aroung 100 kills, oh and i have 5 levels to do it!!

youllneverknow

nearly have the 500 head shots and 1000 kilss with the acr

hightower1

shawpower wrote: »

Again, I think you're wrong. It's identical damage stats to the Famas*. Two bullets from a FAL will kill regardless of where they hit. The TAR/SCAR/AK47 are all two bullet kills that allow you to spray as well, so easier to use than the burst fire guns. A Barrett/Intervention will usually kill in 1 bullet. So at this stage that is 8 guns that fall into your definition of overpowered. Shotguns kill in 1 shot, so there's another 6. We're now up to 14 guns that are "overpowered". Throw in the Machine Pistols and UMP for quick kills and you're at about 18 guns. The L86/RPD and AUG all are two shot kills at any range. The Magnum has insane range with high damage, so lash that in too. So now we're up to 22 guns, which is why I said wrong. Everything can't be overpowered. That's like saying everything is unique. The game is set up to be fast paced with lots of action. Which means that you die quickly, from lots of weapons. Whether you like this or not is another point, but the m16 is not overpowered compared to a vast number of the guns in the game.

Another point is that everyone playing the game is looking for the best loadout to give them an advantage over other people so they can get the big scores/killstreaks. So everyone wants to use the best weapons, as seen by so many people using the Akimbo 1887's before they were nerfed, and why so many people use the Commando perk or NoobTube & Danger Close combo. But to be honest, the M16 is not that common a gun to get killed with. So the masses don't think it's better than everything else on offer. Which suggest it isn't "overpowered".

* Edit. I'm wrong. The Famas is identical in all other stats, but has better damage over range, so is actually a more powerful gun.

Again your failing to take into account the other characteristics or each weapons pro's and cons while compiling your "list". The m16 needs to be nerfed when you take into account the damage inflicted per round, the recoil of the weapon and subsiquent allowance on accuracy of the following round etc. When you take all this into account the gun is very over powered. The weapons has the stopping power of a sniper, the recoil of a pistol and the mag capacity for cqc engagements allowing for long firefights between reloads.

Another point being the stats your basing you "list" upon, take for exmample the ump45, this with a sliencer attached should reduce power and range nether of which happens if you have ever used that particular gun meaning the "stats" as it were are missleading as some guns are bugged in differing ways. Same applies for the stopping power perk, this with teh ump45 does nothing to increase the damage, I have tested this myself and on average 3 rounds placed anywhere on the body will kill with the ump with or without stopping power. Not to say ALL the in game stats are misleading but in certain weapons / perks cases they are bugged somewhat.

In conclusion ... yes, the m16 is overpowered when vied in its entirity and contrasted with the other weapons in game.

Angron

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

no the knife is way too overpowered compared to most guns in this game, too many times ive put 2-3 bullets into a guy close to me and he has just instant knife killed me. They should make it a 1 shot kill on any gun from close range to combat that BS

Well if the knife is over-powered, then it's been over-powered in nearly every FPS. Ever. Knife has pretty much always been a one-hit kill in those games, it's not the knife you find overpowered, it seems more like you find the guns underpowered.


And the big fault of the M16/FAMAS is in close quarters. Sure if it hits you you're a goner, but it's much easier to hit a close person with a full auto gun.

hightower1

Denny M wrote: »

And the big fault of the M16/FAMAS is in close quarters. Sure if it hits you you're a goner, but it's much easier to hit a close person with a full auto gun.

tbh I dont think so? Full auto in cqb usually results in spraying lead around the space and very little into your opponent, far more kills from controlled down sight burts and using the m16 like that....... Suffice to say I have seen one hit kills from that and they werent head shots. Ridiculous.
If IW are building a game make it semi realistic or very realistic not a stupid mix of both for different guns.

I have cant see why anyone would use a sniper rifle when the m16 is there, same power, same range, bigger mag, can be used in cqb, quicker reload. I have one class set up with it and call it sniper and thats exactly what its used for. Even at that its very over powered and unfair imo I would love to see that gun nerfed.

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

tbh I dont think so? Full auto in cqb usually results in spraying lead around the space and very little into your opponent, far more kills from controlled down sight burts and using the m16 like that....... Suffice to say I have seen one hit kills from that and they werent head shots. Ridiculous.
If IW are building a game make it semi realistic or very realistic not a stupid mix of both for different guns.

I have cant see why anyone would use a sniper rifle when the m16 is there, same power, same range, bigger mag, can be used in cqb, quicker reload. I have one class set up with it and call it sniper and thats exactly what its used for. Even at that its very over powered and unfair imo I would love to see that gun nerfed.

Do you have any basis for your claims above? The M16 is not the same power/damage as a sniper rifle. An M16 can not one shot kill at any range. It is possible someone else has gotten an assist from your one shot kill, but it's damage of 40 per bullet makes it impossible regardless of what perks you put with it. It also does not have the same range as a sniper.

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

Again your failing to take into account the other characteristics or each weapons pro's and cons while compiling your "list". The m16 needs to be nerfed when you take into account the damage inflicted per round, the recoil of the weapon and subsiquent allowance on accuracy of the following round etc. When you take all this into account the gun is very over powered. The weapons has the stopping power of a sniper, the recoil of a pistol and the mag capacity for cqc engagements allowing for long firefights between reloads.

Okay, you suggest ignoring the fact that it isn't used by everyone in the game, which suggests a lack of overpoweredness (new word??). You also suggest that you need to look at other characteristics, but list only really list 2; Damage and Recoil. (I had already listed Damage) It doesn't do any more damage than all bar 3 Assault Rifles. Yes, it's recoil is low, just like the FAMAS, but it suffers from lack of Auto fire as a flip side.

Damage inflicted per round.
M16 > M4, ACR, F2000.
M16 = Scar, Tar, AK47
M16 < Famas & FAL.
Harldy overpowered then?

Another point being the stats your basing you "list" upon, take for exmample the ump45, this with a sliencer attached should reduce power and range nether of which happens if you have ever used that particular gun meaning the "stats" as it were are missleading as some guns are bugged in differing ways. Same applies for the stopping power perk, this with teh ump45 does nothing to increase the damage, I have tested this myself and on average 3 rounds placed anywhere on the body will kill with the ump with or without stopping power. Not to say ALL the in game stats are misleading but in certain weapons / perks cases they are bugged somewhat.

Sorry, that was quite hard to decipher, so maybe I mistook your point. I think you are saying that because the UMP is so strong and "bugged" then this somehow backs up your arguement that the M16 is overpowered?? You mention tests? How exactly did you do these? Also you seem to be basing your argument about the M16 being overpowered on the ingame stat diagrams. I trust one source when it comes to stats, and it isn't the on screen charts as they are complete nonsense. I use DenKirson's webpage to get accurate data. This is widely accepted as being precise.

In conclusion ... yes, the m16 is overpowered when vied in its entirity and contrasted with the other weapons in game.

Still don't accept this at all. It's a good weapon for certain players. But the lack of auto fire means it's harder to use than guns like the Scar etc. Just like how Quick Scoping is great in the right hands and can be great for getting one shot kills. But on the flip side it certainly isn't for everyone and is in no way gamebreakingly overpowered.

Equally, the M4/ACR are great weapons for other players as they do normal damage with huge accuracy, but some people don't like them. For a weapon to be overpowered, it needs to be easy to use and more lethal than other guns. The M16 is not easy to use for all, and is no more lethal than a number of guns. So I can't see how it is overpowered.

Also, check out the video I posted where SandyRavage went beserk with the Spas. In the right hands, this gun is lethal, but again I wouldn't say it's overpowered because if you miss with the first shot, you're basically dead due to it's slow reload time. It depends on the player who is using it. If you're talking about the really good players (maybe including yourself), then I'd argue they can dominate with most guns in the game due to how the game is setup with high damage guns across the board, but in most players hands they will struggle with stuff like the Spas/Burst firing/Quick Scoping etc etc.

I've heard someone mention that because the M16 was overpowered in COD4, people have just given it that same mantle in this game. It's a weaker gun than the Famas, yet people claim the M16 is overpowered while ignoring the Famas?? Go figure.

hightower1

shawpower wrote: »

Do you have any basis for your claims above? .

My own use of the weapon and teammates use of it.

shawpower wrote: »

The M16 is not the same power/damage as a sniper rifle. .

As I said before take into account one squueze from the m16 delivers three rounds in almost immediate sucession, each @ a damage of 40 each and with 0 value recoil projectile wander.

shawpower wrote: »

An M16 can not one shot kill at any range..

I saw it only this week on sub base, main tunnel section, game winning kill cam on a team mate from an opposing team. I dont use cap cards so no vid unfortunatly. Only thing I can think of is that he may have been injured and recovering?

shawpower wrote: »

It also does not have the same range as a sniper.

In reality all weapons in the game (oxymoron I know) have the same range as a sniper as the round will travel accorss and open space until it leaves the map or is stopped by an object. The difference in range is the bullet penetration of a round (x) through an object (y) at a set range (z) and finally the depletion of damage vs range (w). For example a pistol will kill at maxium range of the larges map but it would need to be line of sight with 0 obstructions between, it would take a lot more rounds as contrasted with a sniper but would still kill and the acuracy required on pistol sights would be very difficult. Given that the m16 can use 4 types of sights with different levels of magnification accuracy doesnt come into it, the damage depletion is minimal and you land three rounds on target for every one sniper round possible.

GavRedKing

I generally change my guns every few days so I havnt tried to max any one particular gun out so far.

I think my MP5k is nearly maxed out though, only need another 200 kills and about 170 head shots and it should be done.

Of the assualt rifles, the SCAR or M4 would have done the most of my damage.

LMG, I generally use the AUG so that would lead the stats in here.

Sniper, I prefer the 50.Cal and have always used it, swap for the Intervention every now and again though, but very rarely.

At the moment im more concerned in completing the Perks challenges and and Other challneges as well as the Prestige challenges then my K/D or Win/Loss.

Shammy

hightower1 wrote: »

My own use of the weapon and teammates use of it. .

Not having a go but you did say in another post that you couldnt shoot into the rock with a silenced ump, when i posted a vid that you can.

The best (overpowered) guns to use are the ones that probably the best players use in comps and lan events, in cod 4 it was the m16 and p90 , in mw2 its the famas and ump.

Yes you can kill someone with one burst of an m16 , but it really depends on connection.

shawpower

hightower1 wrote: »

M16.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I simply don't think that any gun in the game that isn't used by the masses, can be called overpowered. Burst firing is not "easy" to use for the majority. NoobTubing (with DC) and Commando are easy to use, kill very easily so are overpowered imho. The rest is just personal preference. In the right hands, yes the M16 is lethal, but so are so many other weapons. Also I'd much sooner have a shotty in close if I came up against you and your M16. Presuming you prefer the M16 just shows it's different strokes for different folks. If everyone ran it, then maybe there'd be a reason to nerf it, like what happened to the 1887's. Peace.

Angron

shawpower wrote: »

It's a weaker gun than the Famas, yet people claim the M16 is overpowered while ignoring the Famas?? Go figure.

Must be because the FAMAS is a French gun. :pac:

Kev_ps3

Jamyduff wrote: »

You should use it! M16 kicks ass. If you have stopping power and FMJ then one pull of the trigger kills. You just have to make sure that all three of the round burst land from any range and its a kill. I usually give it a second squirt to be sure.

Force yourself to play with the FAL for a while and then when you move on to M16 you will be an animal!

Bet you play on xbox, everyone says m16 is better on it. On ps3 Famas is much better, hardy anyone uses m16 on ps3.

Denny M wrote: »

Well if the knife is over-powered, then it's been over-powered in nearly every FPS. Ever. Knife has pretty much always been a one-hit kill in those games, it's not the knife you find overpowered, it seems more like you find the guns underpowered.




And the big fault of the M16/FAMAS is in close quarters. Sure if it hits you you're a goner, but it's much easier to hit a close person with a full auto gun.

Yeah your right, the guns are underpowered at close range.

Shammy

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Bet you play on xbox, everyone says m16 is better on it. On ps3 Famas is much better, hardy anyone uses m16 on ps3.

On the xbox i fine(find even) more people use the famas than m16

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah your right, the guns are underpowered at close range.

Especially if someone has last stand as there perk 0r final stand as there deathstreak, nothing more annoying.

(might have the names mixed up but you know what i mean)

youllneverknow

i think the acr is over powered the minute your in my sights you die. even if you hit me

Kev_ps3

Shammy wrote: »

On the xbox i fine more people use the famas than m16

yeah I know but alot more people use it on 360 then ps3.

Kev_ps3

youllneverknow wrote: »

i think the acr is over powered the minute your in my sights you die. even if you hit me

Bad at close range tho. And it takes a good few bullets to kill, compared to m16/famas

youllneverknow

i hip fire at close range so pretty good that way

shanec1928

can we keep on topic?


just a couple of hundred head shots to finish the scar h