I need Motivation

village runner

Why start the log again ?? I cant seem to motivate myself. Discipline is cat. I think by starting my schedule from tomorrow I have 14 weeks to go. Decided on hte daniels models. See how it goes. This is to keep a food diaRY as well and anyone that might be able to help me feel free to jump in.
2010 hasnt been a great year to date so i hope this will help. #Would take anything at this stage. Sick of saying if i lose a stone I could run 2.50 or below it.
Previous history
Ran 3.11 marathon carrying 14st 7ibs 2008
Ran 2.59 marathon carrying 13st 7ibs 2009

It seems to be easier to say I know i can do it but I love grub.

For example the last 24 hours have been bad.
5 purple snacks, bag of crisps bag of nuts, 6 cookies 10 x 2 finger kit kats, half of a fruit brack, batter sausage and chips can of coke, a mcdonalds, 3 weekabix bowel of cornflakes 4 x toast bowel of rice, Apple crunch bar. More but i cant remember.

So why start the log ???
The F***in answers above.
I was suppose to run today but tummy poor this am so i just carried.

Recently f#*ked up a recent marathon by bingeing the last week before the marathon. Carb loading doesnt involve eating the above on a day the lead up to it. I done this and paid for it. Hence the log.
Berlin is the aim again this year. Time will depend on the nutrition part of it.
Hope to get close to 2.50 but we will see.

donothoponpop

Best of luck with your goal VR. You were very consistent and straight-talking in your previous 2:59 training program, that's been missed lately. Hope you get 2:50, its a big ask, but I daresay you're good for it. Calories in, calories out. Eat/drink what you like so long as bloating/hangovers don't interfere with your training.

village runner

donothoponpop wrote: »

Best of luck with your goal VR. You were very consistent and straight-talking in your previous 2:59 training program, that's been missed lately. Hope you get 2:50, its a big ask, but I daresay you're good for it. Calories in, calories out. Eat/drink what you like so long as bloating/hangovers don't interfere with your training.

Dont drink a drop but i fukking love sugar. Looking forward to nxt sunday. Will take the night off work so I wont be tired. The lad i am bringing paced 1.30 in kildare so he might join me and daithi. Nice if one of us was struggling.

Last 3 weeks I have done 1 x 16 and 2 x 18s so i feel the miles are in the legs.
Will I break 2.50 ?? Get to 12st 7ib and i def will.
Going to write every grub i write down too. Looking back at the end of a week might wake me up.

Slogger Jogger

Good luck VR. Keeping the log is a good first step. You were well motivated when it came to the sub 3 marathon. The Berlin target'ers will all be good motivators to each other. Keep an eye on T Runner's log for instance. You shouldn't need to cut out all the crap. Some chocy etc in moderation wouldn't do you any harm if you're training your socks off. I eat all around me

Krusty_Clown

Food / Calories
5 x Purple Snacks = 675
Crisps = 130
Salted Peanuts = 290
6 x Chocolate chip Cookies = 540
5 x KitKats = 1050
Half Fruit Brack = 1222
Battered Sausage and chips = 750
Coke = 140
McDonalds (Bic Mac Meal) = 1350
3 x Weetabix = 309
Bowl of Cornflakes = 287
4 x buttered toast = 500
Bowl of rice = 240
Apple crunch bar = 140

Total = 7,623 Calories
So that's around three days worth of calories (average male, average exercise routine). Obviously as someone who exercises heavily, you'd have much higher calorie requirement, but you're looking at at leat two days worth of calories.

What's 7,623 calories in terms of miles, for a 14 stone male (I don't know your weight, I'm just using this as an example):
59.55 Miles

So you would need to run 60 miles just to cancel the crap you ate in a 24 hour period. If your typical diet is anything like the above, then you're not gaining anything from training. You're just cancelling out the crap you've eaten. It's time to either give up the junk, or give up running.

Is that the kick up the a$$ you wanted*?


(*Krusty finishes of his second Twix of the evening).

village runner

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Food / Calories
5 x Purple Snacks = 675
Crisps = 130
Salted Peanuts = 290
6 x Chocolate chip Cookies = 540
5 x KitKats = 1050
Half Fruit Brack = 1222
Battered Sausage and chips = 750
Coke = 140
McDonalds (Bic Mac Meal) = 1350
3 x Weetabix = 309
Bowl of Cornflakes = 287
4 x buttered toast = 500
Bowl of rice = 240
Apple crunch bar = 140

Total = 7,623 Calories
So that's around three days worth of calories (average male, average exercise routine). Obviously as someone who exercises heavily, you'd have much higher calorie requirement, but you're looking at at leat two days worth of calories.

What's 7,623 calories in terms of miles, for a 14 stone male (I don't know your weight, I'm just using this as an example):
59.55 Miles

So you would need to run 60 miles just to cancel the crap you ate in a 24 hour period. If your typical diet is anything like the above, then you're not gaining anything from training. You're just cancelling out the crap you've eaten. It's time to either give up the junk, or give up running.

Is that the kick up the a$$ you wanted*?


(*Krusty finishes of his second Twix of the evening).

How the fcuk do you know how many cals are in all those. I know there a 135 in a purple snack and 130 in the crisps. You got those correct. 295 in the pea nuts so you were 5 out.
But you got one thing right. Either give up the training or the crap.
Lately I have thought more and more of going back to the golf. Was 8 in 2007 when i gave it up.
Discipline ~Diescipline. Want to run with you in Berlin or in front of you for the last km.

That list feic it really shows it up. Thanks.
Just washed the 4 fig rolls i had with a mug of tea. ~The Fu**in golf.

shels4ever

village runner wrote: »

How the fcuk do you know how many cals are in all those. I know there a 135 in a purple snack and 130 in the crisps. You got those correct. 295 in the pea nuts so you were 5 out.
But you got one thing right. Either give up the training or the crap.
Lately I have thought more and more of going back to the golf. Was 8 in 2007 when i gave it up.
Discipline ~Diescipline. Want to run with you in Berlin or in front of you for the last km.

That list feic it really shows it up. Thanks.
Just washed the 4 fig rolls i had with a mug of tea. ~The Fu**in golf.

Just have a think about the feeling you had when you started and finished your marathon... that buzz cant be the same as a fig roll.. very easy to slip out of the training buzz either due to lack of goals or injury but when you start to get that feeling back you will wonder why you stopped.



Krusty I think you have finally gone totally mad

Krusty_Clown

village runner wrote: »

How the fcuk do you know how many cals are in all those.

A quick google search. Just trying to give you an idea (and a rude awakening!). I hope you'll finish the last km of Berlin in front of me too, but you won't do it wolfing down all that sh1te.

You should keep posting what you eat every day (but you'll need to calculate the calories yourself!). Just the process of writing it down will help. (I should be keeping a beer diary. ).

littlebug

www.fitday.com online food diary thingy. I used it when I was losing weight. You can't fool yourself when it's all in front of you in black and white. It's shocking how quickly the calories add up.

shels4ever

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

A quick google search. Just trying to give you an idea (and a rude awakening!). I hope you'll finish the last km of Berlin in front of me too, but you won't do it wolfing down all that sh1te.

You should keep posting what you eat every day (but you'll need to calculate the calories yourself!). Just the process of writing it down will help. (I should be keeping a beer diary. ).

Yep its a good thing to do, i've a note book that i used to write down food(and beer) was shocked a some point of the amount of calories and how many miles it takes to burn them off.....

Woddle

Best of luck VR, I can relate to you with both the lack of motivation and the sweet tooth, so looking forward to seeing how you conquer it.
Just something I've started trying (well since Thursday ) big bag of raisins and whenever I want sth I just stuff them into my mouth.
I also have a problem with fizzy drinks but I've been sorting that with diluted orange and sparkling water, tastes like fanta.

Sosa

Best of luck with the log and training VR.
I didnt see any mention of the fags on your OP...have you sorted that ?
If you have...you can do the same with the sh!t food.

tisnotover

Nice to see the log back VR !

Have you raced lately ? Whatever time you put in, should be enough motivation for ya to kick on ??

TheRoadRunner

village runner wrote: »

It seems to be easier to say I know i can do it but I love grub.

For example the last 24 hours have been bad.
5 purple snacks, bag of crisps bag of nuts, 6 cookies 10 x 2 finger kit kats, half of a fruit brack, batter sausage and chips can of coke, a mcdonalds, 3 weekabix bowel of cornflakes 4 x toast bowel of rice, Apple crunch bar. More but i cant remember.

The above isn't a love of grub it's a unhealthy obsession with it. Not only is your calorie intake way way too high, the $hit you are eating is astonishing. But I'm sure you know all this. A coach, nutritionist, physio and a therapist to deal with your junk obsession are needed for your next marathon attempt.

I use to think I didn't eat healthily enough but compared to you I'm a roll model to all.

That enough tough love

kennyb3

+1 on all the above, as krusty plainly points out you cant just eat what you want because you run alot of miles. A 20 mile run is alot of effort and you can quite quickly reverse it with 15/20 mins 'in the fridge'.

But as the road runner suggests this seems like more to me. we all snack and binge a little from time to time - im no model in this respect but id do well to eat what you eat in a week treat wise. this seems like obsession and if you werent running id hate to think what you'd weigh.

one day you wont be able to run so if i was you id get this sorted now while you do run.

plus its what you are eating - serious amount of sugar, your teeth cant be thanking you.

Out of interest what is the rest of your diet like - how many meals do you eat? what do they consist of? what do you normally drink? how much water do you drink?

these things might be a helpful insight also

kennyb3

Also no doubt there is a pattern in there somewhere that you need to break.

Are you eating all this because you are sitting around the house for few hours bored?

Or is it after a long shift in work and you re tired and need to comfort eat?

Or is it that you drink a lot of tea, for example, and evertime you have a cuppa you have sometihing sweet with it?

You get the idea. You need to sit down analyse your routine and where it all goes wrong and why.

Sosa

Your getting a bit of a rattling today VR,but i think you know you need to sort this,you were probably hoping people would jump on you and that in itself would make you fix it...its just a bad habit.....kick it into touch and go out there and train for your sub 2:50 marathon and give yourself the best chance possible of achieving it.

Krusty_Clown

Sosa wrote: »

Your getting a bit of a rattling today VR

We're just giving him what he wants - a bit of pent-up anger to motivate himself to kick the bad stuff to touch.
I'll expect to see nothing going into the gob next Sunday except for Strawberries.

TheRoadRunner

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I'll expect to see nothing going into the gob next Sunday except for Strawberries.

Not too many though. 20 calories in a decent sized strawberry. 7 of those and you have a snack bar

village runner

A fcuking pasting alright.
Great reading in hte above.
As i would imagine i felt crap today. Ran 9 miles in the gym with 2 pit stops. Wouldnt run outside cos I knew i would have to stop. Longest 9 miles in a long time. Had planned to do a different session so another day messed up with grub.

Woke up this am and wasnt hungry(I can imagine lads reading this and saying but how fcuking could you)
8am Apple and satsuma
10.30 2 little yogurts
1.00 Soup and apple

3pm banana
4.30 Run

7pm Two brown bread pittas with 2 fillets of chicken salad and poached egg.

That me for the night.

Must have drank 4 litres today.
Very easy today but it will only get difficult in a few days when i feel better.
No cigarettes in 5 weeks nearly.
For me its all day by day. Cigarettes dont bother me today. If i had one i am back to square one.

1 strawberry 20 cals oh my god..............
Booked a session with some person nxt week who can tell me what agrees with me and what doesnt eating wise.
Believe it or not i dont like chips but i once did it for lent(had them every night) When i eat crap i feel crap.
Treats will be little for hte first month and then i will review.

Diet is very good on a daily basis until 7pm. Maybe boredom etc.

Normally its porridge raisons and milk for breakie
If i dont have a biscuit at tea break I will survive until later in the day.

TheRoadRunner

Best of luck sorting the diet out. I'm not a huge fan of chocolate and sweets but do find I can get addicted to te sugar buzz now and again. It takes a week to ween myself off these treats but once I do and replace them with a fruit I feel great. I'm a huge fan of pineapple, very sweet and very low in calories. It's very refreshing as well.

village runner

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Best of luck sorting the diet out. I'm not a huge fan of chocolate and sweets but do find I can get addicted to te sugar buzz now and again. It takes a week to ween myself off these treats but once I do and replace them with a fruit I feel great. I'm a huge fan of pineapple, very sweet and very low in calories. It's very refreshing as well.

I love all food.
as my 4 year old says when I give her strawberries " thats not a treat"
Yes a week should sort me out. Its the reason for the log. Addictive person of the highest order.

village runner

Tuesday
6am 8 miles @ 7.25(stomach aint great still)
5.30pm 5.5 miles easy

Porridge and raisons
Apple, Yogurt
Soup and brown bread
Yogurt
Beef carrots and spuds and low fat yogurt
Oats and honey granola bar(bit of sugar)

Wednesday
Porridge 7.15
Beans on toast 10.30
Toast and banana 3.30pm
Carrots mushrooms onions spud with fillet of chicken wrapped in bacon 6.30pm yogurt.

1pm
13.5 miles which included 6 x 1 mile tempo with 1 min recovery. Out and back and into the wind on the way out. So mile 1 and 6, 2 and 5 3 and 4 similar.
6.12
6.12
6.18
5.58
5.57
5.56
Average 6.05(prob too quick for me at present)
Had to go to the loo immediatley after it.
Maybe beans on toast 2.5 hours before a session not a good idea ?? Still think I am getting better. 3 mile warm up and 4 miles easy after it.

Krusty_Clown

That's some incredible dietary turn-around. Hope you're not suffering sugar-withdrawal symptoms! Probably a good idea to find a healthy alternative snack-food that you can eat at will, so you don't reach for the old stuff. I usually keep a packet of these in my desk at work:


Low fat, low salt, high in complex carbs (so good for long distance running) and less than 2 euro a packet in Dunnes. Lasts me at least a week. Also handy if you've recently given up the fags.

village runner

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

That's some incredible dietary turn-around. Hope you're not suffering sugar-withdrawal symptoms! Probably a good idea to find a healthy alternative snack-food that you can eat at will, so you don't reach for the old stuff. I usually keep a packet of these in my desk at work:


Low fat, low salt, high in complex carbs (so good for long distance running) and less than 2 euro a packet in Dunnes. Lasts me at least a week. Also handy if you've recently given up the fags.

I normally eat well.
Monday-friday in work i am very good normally from 9-5. I do the shopping so i cant blame anyone else.I would rather no biscuits than 2 if you know what I mean. I am sick to my boll** of listening to lads saying that if you lose anymore you will look sick. I take this as a "go on you can eat what you want" I reckon keeping the food diary will be great for me. When I kept my own one on a bad day I wouldnt fill it in.
I will try the above.
Started hanging out with the most unhealthy eater around(reminds me of myself) and find myself grazing alot. The bottom line I now know I cant eat what I like.
For example last sunday I wouldnt have managed to pace 90 min for hte half(would have had to stop for mother nature) A healthy week as roadrunner said would get me back ok again. I have alot of miles done so I reckon in 3 weeks I will be in very good knick.

village runner

6am 42 mile cycle slow. Legs zapped after yesterday
Toast and banana before and toast low low cheese after it. 1/2 energy bar on the way with a luc sport gel. Long cycle.

Kiddies birthday. Tough day.
Meal out and cake. Healthy choice and no cake. Problem with leaving food behind. Today i left a few slices of pizza and 3/4 portion of chips that kids didnt eat which i normally would have wolfed. Also didnt have cake at 6.30pm. Went to gym to do 40 min of core work and weights. If i had cake i woulodnt have went and 1 slice aint enough is it.;)

Another good day so all in all. 4 down.

theboyblunder

best of luck VR. Looking forward to following the log

TheRoadRunner

Hey VR have you any upcoming races penciled in?

village runner

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Hey VR have you any upcoming races penciled in?

10km in piltown 16th july and half in clonmel in august. Might do the 10km in kilmore 1oth september.

Fri
6am 9 miles easy
7pm 45 min weights and core

Sat
7 miles easy
45 min weights and core

sun
Ran half in enniscorthy(pace) in 89.50
Felt comfy although i was tired at the end of it. 13.1 hilly miles on 3.5 hours sleep is tough at the best of times.

Monday
9 miles with 3 x 2 miles with 2 min recoveries. Ran these 6 min mile pace. Had to stop after 3 as time was short. stomach was causing trouble as well.

Visited a person today who was able to tell me what foods suited me and what ones didnt.............Wheat is the main one. And F***ing chocolate but sure she didnt have to be a rocket scientist to work out that. Hopefully a few weeks will sort out my stomach. Yesterday was the first time since may 9th I ran 13.1 without having to stop for the loo. Have to get it sorted. While she was working on me I dosed off for 15 min.
Lets see if it works.

Sosa

village runner wrote: »

10km in piltown 16th july and half in clonmel in august. Might do the 10km in kilmore 1oth september.

I wont see you at any of those VR,
Im doing a 5k down here on July 18th,the national half on Sept 5th and a 10k late Sept down here aswell.

Might see you at the GSK 5 friday week ?
Im not doing that flat out either,just a stepping stone for the 5k the following week.

village runner

Sosa wrote: »

I wont see you at any of those VR,
Im doing a 5k down here on July 18th,the national half on Sept 5th and a 10k late Sept down here aswell.

Might see you at the GSK 5 friday week ?
Im not doing that flat out either,just a stepping stone for the 5k the following week.

Love to do dungarvan. Off all next week so planning a big week. Yes but i might go down at run 30 min on tired legs. Will see. Is that 10km the newspaper one on 12th september WLR??

Speedy44

village runner wrote: »

10km in piltown 16th july and half in clonmel in august. Might do the 10km in kilmore 1oth september.

Fri
6am 9 miles easy
7pm 45 min weights and core

Sat
7 miles easy
45 min weights and core

sun
Ran half in enniscorthy(pace) in 89.50
Felt comfy although i was tired at the end of it. 13.1 hilly miles on 3.5 hours sleep is tough at the best of times.

Monday
9 miles with 3 x 2 miles with 2 min recoveries. Ran these 6 min mile pace. Had to stop after 3 as time was short. stomach was causing trouble as well.

Visited a person today who was able to tell me what foods suited me and what ones didnt.............Wheat is the main one. And F***ing chocolate but sure she didnt have to be a rocket scientist to work out that. Hopefully a few weeks will sort out my stomach. Yesterday was the first time since may 9th I ran 13.1 without having to stop for the loo. Have to get it sorted. While she was working on me I dosed off for 15 min.
Lets see if it works.

Thats a decent time for the 1/2 on 3.5hrs sleep, and on a hilly course. Your doing great with the diet. My weakness are biscuits & beer. I decided to pack them in after Christmas and I think I went 3 or 4 months without a cookie, have the occasional one now. Had cut back on the beer :rolleyes:

I do find though that once you start getting stuck into the training and start feeling better and seeing the results, that will act as motivation to keep on track.

Good luck

village runner

Speedy44 wrote: »

Thats a decent time for the 1/2 on 3.5hrs sleep, and on a hilly course. Your doing great with the diet. My weakness are biscuits & beer. I decided to pack them in after Christmas and I think I went 3 or 4 months without a cookie, have the occasional one now. Had cut back on the beer :rolleyes:

I do find though that once you start getting stuck into the training and start feeling better and seeing the results, that will act as motivation to keep on track.

Good luck

I have to give up wheat and most biccies are full of them. I paced 90 min in the half. I aint in great shape now but a month will tell alot.
Thanks fro the encouragement.

Sosa

village runner wrote: »

Love to do dungarvan. Off all next week so planning a big week. Yes but i might go down at run 30 min on tired legs. Will see. Is that 10km the newspaper one on 12th september WLR??

I always do the GSK5,its a good one.
yeah,the late Sept 10k is the Munster Express 10k...over 1000 entries every year...i didnt get a date yet,who told you sept 12th ?

bart simpson

Good luck with the log VR....seems like the pub is your biggest vice! (ha its mine too:)) all those peanuts and purple snacks seductively placed beside the till. maybe you need to think of a punishment for yourself if you stray down there, the punishement shouldnt be anything to do with exercise either you enjoy that too much.

some of the lads on here know more about the chia seeds but i was using them for a while, if you put about 7 teaspoons in a pint glass and fill with water, stir let settle, stir let settle, stir let settle, the seeds absorb into the water and take on the texture of soup. they are a great tummy filler with little calories and all good carb and protein. looks like frog spawn but tastes ok

village runner

Sosa wrote: »

I always do the GSK5,its a good one.
yeah,the late Sept 10k is the Munster Express 10k...over 1000 entries every year...i didnt get a date yet,who told you sept 12th ?

Iv read it off a calender we had in work. Came from a newspaper in Blaland. Def said 12th cos i rem saying thats 2 weeks beofre berlin. Ideal.

Sosa

village runner wrote: »

Iv read it off a calender we had in work. Came from a newspaper in Blaland. Def said 12th cos i rem saying thats 2 weeks beofre berlin. Ideal.

I'll be doing it but would rather another week to prepare,the national half is the previous Sun 5th

village runner

Easy 8.5 miles after last nights work out at 6am tuesday. Lovely morning for it.

Wednesday 5.40am
Planned a session but it did not work out. 2 miles easy 4 x 1 mile tempo with 5 min easy and i was hoping to do 3 x 1 mile but only managed one. Was windy but after only 32 hours recovery after monday nights session i was stuck to the floor.
Average 6.13 per tempo mile. The first mile at 6.12 was hard so i new i was in bother.
Thursday 6am
8 miles easy. Plan is to do a long one saturday. Mixing up the programs weeks as I want an wasy week the week i do piltown.

village runner

Friday Off. Golf
Sat After woeking late friday i held off until 11am to do the run. Mixed up session as i didnt want to miss this. Found myself looking forward to the fast stuff. My tempo is 6.10-6.15 so ci found myself going faster again. I didnt mind the 4th one was I had 1 hour easy after it.
2 miles easy (7.45)
4 x 1 miles T 6.10,6.08,6.04,6.02 with 1 min rec
8 miles @ 7.35
3 miles @ 6.14 (6.24,6.15,6.03)
3.5 miles easy(7.30)

I would like the easy pace to go up to 7.20 and the T pace to get closer to 6 min. Very happy with a 6.03 miles after 16.5 miles of running. Total 21 miles with 13 weeks to go I have to be happy with. Went with a lad today that held me up more than he helped. We all have thosse days.
Hope to have company for every run of over 16 miles especially with tempo miles.
Managed to do this with no help. After wednesdays poor session the confidence is up again.

village runner

Sun and monday off.
Headed up to the match and found the new regime tough to follow. Have to prepare and find out what I can and cant eat. Little sleep sat night followed by a busy day and work again until late sunday nite feics up the system.
Holidays monday and couldnt get out.
Tuesday am alot of bread etc for breakfast and was in bits after it. Wheat doesnt agree with me full stop(wasnt prepared for hols)
Went out and ran 9 miles and had to find a loo. Had planned to run hard but stomach was in bits early. Done 1 x 2 miles tempo. Ran the last 2 miles against the wind on the beach in the rain. Deadly.

Wednesday
Stomach still no better. Ran 11 in the gym at the hotel in case I had to stop. Was dodgy all through but got away with it. Put in a 1 x 2 mile tempo and 1 mile tempo and this felt hard(purely stomach) related.

Thursday
Got home around 3. Daughter fell asleep in car so couldnt go until she woke up. Lashing raining and rain gear all wet or in wash. No one to go with and the thoughts of a 20 didnt appeal. Decided to do 10 in gym. At 10 I decided to do 5 more and maybe run hard satursday. When I got to 15 i had told people who asked how many are you doing ?? so I ended up doing 20 with the last 3 miles at 6.30 pace. Just wanted a few fast ones. Stomach still not great but coming around.
Ate a couple of sambos after the long one and a bowel of porridge a few hours later. Thats a first for me. Normally I just eat what i want cos I deserve it. Now my tummy dont allow it so i havnt a choice.

Krusty_Clown

You're some legend for the treadie. With mental strength like that, what can stop you in Berlin?

village runner

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

You're some legend for the treadie. With mental strength like that, what can stop you in Berlin?

Bread, biccies and no F**king toilets.
Get the tummy sorted and bobs your uncle. 2.48 appeals but at present I aint near it or anyway close to it.
But as the title says I have found it.

bart simpson

village runner wrote: »

Bread, biccies and no F**king toilets.
Get the tummy sorted and bobs your uncle. 2.48 appeals but at present I aint near it or anyway close to it.
But as the title says I have found it.

fair play VR, 31 miles on the thread....great mental strength is right...good to see ya have your running mojo back

Sosa

are you running in Dungarvan tonight ?

village runner

Sosa wrote: »

are you running in Dungarvan tonight ?[/QUOTE
Wont make it tonight. I am running scared. Didnt want you beating me on tired legs and you jogging around.:)

Sosa

village runner wrote: »

Wont make it tonight. I am running scared. Didnt want you beating me on tired legs and you jogging around.:)

I'll catch up with you some other time,your like Brian Cody there...always talking down your chances

Gringo78

Only noticed today you had started a new log...best of luck with it.

Food is definitly what you have to conquer. I can't say I've ever put away the quantities you have but I do hit the sugary foods hard when I let my guard down as has happened since the marathon.

You need to draw up a list of day to day foods you have a to avoid and for each food come up with a substitute. Take that list with you when shopping and make sure none of the bad foods get to the checkout and get plenty of the substitutes in so you have the food when you have the munchies. Half the battle is to not have the food to hand when you are craving it.

Some things I find that help:

- usually have a bottle of diet 7 up & dilute orange no added sugar to hand....drinking a pint of something with no calories in it can often satisfy the craving of wanting to eat something

- avoid buying multi packs of things - you know you are just going to eat the whole lot in one sitting so if you are allowing yourself a treat, make sure theres only one of it in the house

- try sitting down and coming up with snacks you have to cook when you're looking to eat something...i.e a stir fry. Make sure you have the ingredients in the fridge and when you get a craving, start cooking, it'll take you 10-15min to cook the thing and thats 10-15min where you are not eating crap

- Count calories - when I'm being good with my eating I allow myself only as many calories of treats as miles I've run - I find it helps to know how little cr*p food it takes to cancel out a 13mile run.

- I always go with the fish option when eating out...the portions are usually smaller as fish is expensive so they don't heap the spuds on as it would make the fish look small.

- I never drink drinks containing sugar - although that doesn't seem to be a vice of yours

- is the eating a substitute for smoking? I've yet to get back to the weight I was when I was smoking - the times now when I eat half an apple tart would have been times for smoking before - I find now the chewing gum helps with that, initially it was nicorette, now just ordinary chewing gum.

I know someone suggested give up the crap or give up the running....but if anything, you must at least keep up the running, even if you can't give up the crap.....the eating you do is not sustainable and will lead to massive weight gain, diabetes & poor health if you were to give up the running. You're slowing the process down by running (you are not cancelling it out though...you've a slow gradual weight gain which will take a long time to reverse).

Best of luck...I'm away now to put into practice all the above as I've put on 4kg since the marathon. Travelling with work kills me....I buy such an amount of crap in petrol stations, might get those breadsticks Krusty suggested for the journeys up and down.

village runner

Gringo78 wrote: »

Only noticed today you had started a new log...best of luck with it.

Food is definitly what you have to conquer. I can't say I've ever put away the quantities you have but I do hit the sugary foods hard when I let my guard down as has happened since the marathon.

You need to draw up a list of day to day foods you have a to avoid and for each food come up with a substitute. Take that list with you when shopping and make sure none of the bad foods get to the checkout and get plenty of the substitutes in so you have the food when you have the munchies. Half the battle is to not have the food to hand when you are craving it.

Some things I find that help:

- usually have a bottle of diet 7 up & dilute orange no added sugar to hand....drinking a pint of something with no calories in it can often satisfy the craving of wanting to eat something

- avoid buying multi packs of things - you know you are just going to eat the whole lot in one sitting so if you are allowing yourself a treat, make sure theres only one of it in the house

- try sitting down and coming up with snacks you have to cook when you're looking to eat something...i.e a stir fry. Make sure you have the ingredients in the fridge and when you get a craving, start cooking, it'll take you 10-15min to cook the thing and thats 10-15min where you are not eating crap

- Count calories - when I'm being good with my eating I allow myself only as many calories of treats as miles I've run - I find it helps to know how little cr*p food it takes to cancel out a 13mile run.

- I always go with the fish option when eating out...the portions are usually smaller as fish is expensive so they don't heap the spuds on as it would make the fish look small.

- I never drink drinks containing sugar - although that doesn't seem to be a vice of yours

- is the eating a substitute for smoking? I've yet to get back to the weight I was when I was smoking - the times now when I eat half an apple tart would have been times for smoking before - I find now the chewing gum helps with that, initially it was nicorette, now just ordinary chewing gum.

I know someone suggested give up the crap or give up the running....but if anything, you must at least keep up the running, even if you can't give up the crap.....the eating you do is not sustainable and will lead to massive weight gain, diabetes & poor health if you were to give up the running. You're slowing the process down by running (you are not cancelling it out though...you've a slow gradual weight gain which will take a long time to reverse).

Best of luck...I'm away now to put into practice all the above as I've put on 4kg since the marathon. Travelling with work kills me....I buy such an amount of crap in petrol stations, might get those breadsticks Krusty suggested for the journeys up and down.

Thanks Gringo fro the time to write out that list.
Dont drink sugary drinks at all. Very rarely.
Yes i do buy in bulk. Done the shopping today and as i cant eat wheat i bought 12 bags of walkers ready salted as my treat along with 6 bags of popcorn. Also got rice cakes.
For now i am off bread, biccies and tayros choccie etc. Its not that i am tempted as my stomach cant handle them so the above will keep me going although i will get help from the family with them.
Fish yes i agree. Was in youghal for 3 nights and had it every day. Just get into the habit of getting it fresh. #and learn how to poach it properly.

Instead of chewing gum i have gone on the brushing my teeth regime.

I cant even eat the sticks krusty was talking about as they contain wheat.

I have a race nxt week and ~i reckon i wont go great. but this will help me even more to motivate me with the long term goal berlin

Krusty_Clown

If wheat's the problem, you're going to have a tough time keeping up a high carb diet. Bread, Pasta, bagels, pizza, couscous. gone...

Instead: Rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, porridge, spelt bread, chick-peas, barley, etc. Hope you like them. Check your crisps. They might contain wheat too. (spot the guy who has a wheat-free child in the house!).

Sosa

village runner wrote: »

Thanks Gringo fro the time to write out that list.
Dont drink sugary drinks at all. Very rarely.
Yes i do buy in bulk. Done the shopping today and as i cant eat wheat i bought 12 bags of walkers ready salted as my treat along with 6 bags of popcorn. Also got rice cakes.
For now i am off bread, biccies and tayros choccie etc. Its not that i am tempted as my stomach cant handle them so the above will keep me going although i will get help from the family with them.
Fish yes i agree. Was in youghal for 3 nights and had it every day. Just get into the habit of getting it fresh. #and learn how to poach it properly.

Instead of chewing gum i have gone on the brushing my teeth regime.

I cant even eat the sticks krusty was talking about as they contain wheat.

I have a race nxt week and ~i reckon i wont go great. but this will help me even more to motivate me with the long term goal berlin

I have been having stomach problems myself VR,since Cork...culminating tonight,stomach was in knots at the end of the race.
I am going to the doc to do some tests,only bothers me after runs.
Before i got the job i ran in the morning with little food in me,now i run when i can and the stomach is not behaving.

village runner

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

If wheat's the problem, you're going to have a tough time keeping up a high carb diet. Bread, Pasta, bagels, pizza, couscous. gone...

Instead: Rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, porridge, spelt bread, chick-peas, barley, etc. Hope you like them. Check your crisps. They might contain wheat too. (spot the guy who has a wheat-free child in the house!).[

Walkers salted crisps kp salted nuts popcorn are all things i can have.
Everything you mentions i love.

Porridge i love it thank god. Bought honey today so will try that on toast in the morning and if i like it thats another problem solved.
Like the spelt bread which is great. Must try chickpeas(but i like houmous) Like sweet potatoes.
Another way of looking at the diet.
Its easier give up choccie biccies if i cant have them rather than i want to give them up. Make me feel better tummy wise when I eat right. Time will tell. I love pizza but i might try a homemade one sometime. I am thinking weight should come off but I will probaly eat more of the good stuff. Once i can run 26.2 without stopping has to be a success.


today 10k at 7.50 recovery pace. Went with a lad that wanted to break 50 min so it was ideal. He ran A 7.15 first mile as he led the way. A 7.20 second one so he slowed up. Still couldnt see that he went out too hard until i showed him the splits are it. Just shows what we do in races.