Large people 2 tickets.

Gannicus

http://www.airfarewatchdog.com/blog/3802082/ryanair-proposes-surcharge-for-fat-passengers/

I'm a big bloke myself. not huge, like 6'3" 200 pounds. I get the bus a lot and flights at least once a year. but a while ago Ryanair found themselves in trouble when they charged a women for 2 seats because she was obese. Needless to say she won the case on a discrimination basis and was awarded a small fortune. No we've all been on flights where a huge S.O.B. sat beside us and the armrest has to stay up and/or they're sitting on at least half your seat and you. So if someone very big gets on a bus or plane should they not have to pay double since they take up another seat that could be used by another paying customer. Like they give kids under 2 free seats because they most likely be sitting on their mother/father laps for the duration and not taking up the seat.

So in my opinion when getting a bus or a train or on a flight they should have to pay for the extra seat they take up.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ON ABOUT UNFAIR TREATMENT BUT THEY PAY MORE FOR LARGER SIZE CLOTHES ETC. ITS BLATENTLY OBVIOUS THAT THEY TAKE UP 2 SEATS AND SHOULD THEY NOT BE CONSIDERED TO BE COSTING A COMPANY MONEY BECAUSE THEY TAKE UP THE EXTRA ROOM.

Run_to_da_hills

Air France are at it already.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/7038141/Air-France-to-charge-obese-passengers-for-two-seats.html

thetonynator

Having read the OP 3 times, I understand what you're saying, but what are we supposed to discuss about it???

Gannicus

thetonynator wrote: »

Having read the OP 3 times, I understand what you're saying, but what are we supposed to discuss about it???

I'm putting it out there to see what way people think or if a large number of people agree with me because of the way that peoples health are getting worse and worse in the developed world it might actually become an issue

The_Kew_Tour

If a person has health problems and cant do much about their weight they are people I fell sorry for.

Bu if person weighs 300 pounds and has bag at 15kg then why should person who weighs 150 pounds and has bag just 1kg over bag limit have pay extra to carry weight onto the plane.

Stupid and unfair imo

copacetic

nothing worse that that dreadful sense of terror you feel when you see someone massive lumbering toward you, knowing if they sit beside you you'll only get half the small bit of room you are entitled too.

(although the relief when some other poor fecker is the actual victim is pretty nice).

Coriolanus

Just install bigger seats. That way they have enough room without crowding people, and the slimmer people get loads more room!

Oh wait, that would probably mean cutting back on the six figure bonuses for the execs. Can't be having that.

mikemac

Or just discriminate against a class of people, many of whom may simply be unable to control their weight due to emotional or hereditary reasons

The OP mentioned a discrimination cases.
If the person has a genuine issue (maybe like above) I suppose it can be medically certified and any airline surcharge wouldn't apply.

But realy, that's only a minor percentage of people who are obese

OutlawPete

O'Leary already has an issue with some people who take liberties with their weigt allocation ..

thetonynator

feelingstressed wrote: »

The OP mentioned a discrimination cases.
If the person has a genuine issue (maybe like above) I suppose it can be medically certified and any airline surcharge wouldn't apply.

But realy, that's only a minor percentage of people who are obese

Yeah but in this country, everyone is related to someone who knows someone whos a doctor and can give you the cert.

thetonynator

OutlawPete wrote: »

O'Leary already has an issue with some people who take liberties with their weigt allocation ..

Don't be ridiiculous. Thats not a ryanair plane, theres a television in it!!!

tommyhaas

Nevore wrote: »

Just install bigger seats. That way they have enough room without crowding people, and the slimmer people get loads more room!

Oh wait, that would probably mean cutting back on the six figure bonuses for the execs. Can't be having that.

It would also cut down on the number of seats they can fit in a plane, hence a higher fare for everyone...

Gannicus

feelingstressed wrote: »

The OP mentioned a discrimination cases.
If the person has a genuine issue (maybe like above) I suppose it can be medically certified and any airline surcharge wouldn't apply.

But realy, that's only a minor percentage of people who are obese

No its everyone or no-one. Regardless of medical or emotional issues
they should still have to pay you're still taking 2 seats at the end of the day.

Coriolanus

tommyhaas wrote: »

It would also cut down on the number of seats they can fit in a plane, hence a higher fare for everyone...

Psh, don't try to use your logic here. This is AH. :pac:

robbie_998

thetonynator wrote: »

Don't be ridiiculous. Thats not a ryanair plane, theres a television in it!!!

i see 3 tv's


and ok for planes i agree if your gonna take up that seat then pay for it.

for bus's like Dublin bus... no.. bus eireann seat booking - yes

irish rail seat booking - yes.

Cinema taking up two seats then yes.

TheTosh

One of my fears when flying especially to America is being stuck in the middle seat with 2 big fat b*stards either side of me just like the Foo Fighters video

Nevore

Nevore wrote: »

Just install bigger seats. That way they have enough room without crowding people, and the slimmer people get loads more room!

Oh wait, that would probably mean cutting back on the six figure bonuses for the execs. Can't be having that.

Why would an executive not be worth a six figure salary? Should they be on 30k?

unknown13

I pay for a seat and I have room within the seat, there is no reason why someone should take that off me particularly if they are overweight.

Then again take that extra room off me. Ryanair would if they could.

tinkerbell

If I pay for my seat, then there's no way that a fat person sitting beside me should be able to take up half my seat just because they were too busy eating 100 meals a day making themselves that fat.

It's ridiculous - especially on airplanes. If you are too fat, then either (a) lose the weight so you can fit into one seat or else (b) pay for the god damn extra ticket. Other people sitting beside you shouldn't have to suffer just because you can't keep your weight in line.

Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but this sort of thing really irritates me.

Black Swan

copacetic wrote: »

nothing worse that that dreadful sense of terror you feel when you see someone massive lumbering toward you, knowing if they sit beside you you'll only get half the small bit of room you are entitled too.

Indeed!

This thread seems to focus on the rights (or abuse) of large people, rather than rest of us? I workout daily, I'm tall and thin, and refuse to raise the arm rest. If someone overweight for any reason, medical or otherwise, cannot fit in the seat next to me without raising the arm rest (and overflowing into my seat), the airlines should either move them, or allow me to move, even if it costs them a business or first class seat to accommodate someone without additional charges for upgrade.

R0ot

Fatties shouldn't fly.

On serious note, it's simple maths if you take up the better part of two seats you should pay for two seats!

copacetic

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Indeed!

This thread seems to focus on the rights (or abuse) of large people, rather than rest of us? I workout daily, I'm tall and thin, and refuse to raise the arm rest. If someone overweight for any reason, medical or otherwise, cannot fit in the seat next to me without raising the arm rest (and overflowing into my seat), the airlines should either move them, or allow me to move, even if it costs them a business or first class seat to accommodate someone without additional charges for upgrade.

but what about the ones who overflow over and under the arm rest even when you don't raise it!!! eaughhh!

Black Swan

copacetic wrote: »

but what about the ones who overflow over and under the arm rest even when you don't raise it!!! eaughhh!

Indeed, but at least a part of the flow is barricaded. I've had words with an over weight passenger that insisted on raising the arm rest, which resulted in the flight attendant moving me to a vacant business class seat from economy.

Mars Bar

Nevore wrote: »

Just install bigger seats. That way they have enough room without crowding people, and the slimmer people get loads more room!

Oh wait, that would probably mean cutting back on the six figure bonuses for the execs. Can't be having that.

tommyhaas wrote: »

It would also cut down on the number of seats they can fit in a plane, hence a higher fare for everyone...

That's the exact conversation I had with myself when I read the topic first (that's when there was no replies too!).

Chuchoter

Yes they should. And another thing, a size 18 should cost more than a size 6. I always find it unfair they cost the same, maybe I'm just being a bitch.

alwaysadub

mars bar wrote: »

That's the exact conversation I had with myself when I read the topic first (that's when there was no replies too!).

You know there are professionals out there to help with them problems:pac:

Mars Bar

crayolastereo wrote: »

Yes they should. And another thing, a size 18 should cost more than a size 6. I always find it unfair they cost the same, maybe I'm just being a bitch.

If you're a size six, you should probably be spending more money on food.

alwaysadub wrote: »

You know there are professionals out there to help with them problems:pac:

Tar.Aldarion

robbie_998 wrote: »

i see 3 tv's

Oh do you now

drugs thread that way

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copacetic

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Oh do you now

drugs thread that way

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eyes bump of edge of screen, back to arrow, shakes head, edge of screen, back to arrow...

tony1kenobi

adrian280582 wrote: »

If a person has health problems and cant do much about their weight they are people I fell sorry for.

Don't feel sorry for them....they live in a world where unicorns and fairy dust is real.......

Tar.Aldarion

Perfect plan, you found the last legal drug, now get dizzy amigo

starbelgrade

There are people of all sizes, shapes & colours. It's one of the things that make our planet so amazing & diverse. To try & homogonise the world would be akin to what the nazis tried to do - to create a perfect race, where one size fits all.

Well, it doesn't.

And all plane seats don't fit all either. They are too small for tall, large, well built, overweight & obese people. Should these people be forced to pay extra simply because of their body size or shape? Should they f*ck.

The airlines should be forced to accomodate all types of people & not the other way around. After all, we are the customers.

Yes, there are people who are obese because they over-eat, but most of these people, given the choice, would rather not be obese. They are addicted to food - or more commonly use food as a relief from a deeper, underlying psychological problem. Either way, it's the same as any addiction - only with food, unlike any other "drug", it is impossible to avoid, as everyone must eat to survive.

And when it comes down to it, people are not going to become more obese if airlines are forced to make bigger seats to accomodate them.

If you believe that they should pay for 2 seats, then you are simply buying into a discriminatory agenda based on increasing the profits & fattening the wallets of the airline fat-cats & ignoring the basic humanity of who we all are... different people, where one size rarely fits all.

Seriously dudes.

bnt

Ryanair already has a mechanism for doing this: buy the ticket in the name of Mr. Extra Comfort Seat. (Details here.)

There's also a safety issue here: airline seats are amazing structures for their weight (thanks to aluminium alloys), and you never hear of them collapsing, but in the event of severe turbulence or a hard landing, I still don't want my legs under a row of seats that has, in effect, one person too many in it. :eek:

copacetic

starbelgrade wrote: »

blah akin to what the nazis tried to do blah

that didn't take long.

starbelgrade

copacetic wrote: »

that didn't take long.

On your bike.

VinnyTGM

Sure if your gonna spend extra on the supersize meals all the time, then you can pay extra for the seats.

copacetic

starbelgrade wrote: »

On your bike.

Wilco. It keeps the weight off. Although I believe the Nazis had bikes, so that won't be good..

sashafierce

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copacetic

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So bascially they make a size 6, you stick it on and hey presto, a size 18?

sashafierce

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dr.bollocko

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Tone down the personal stuff in future please.

sashafierce

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indough

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does your manager suffer from some form of retardation?

GTE

Two points:
Weight and cost.

A plane crashed in the USA and one contributory factor was that with people getting fatter the average passenger weight used for aviation was about 10kg lighter then the actual average of the day. They use this for fuel calculating and where to seat the passengers, which is important for the smaller plane for balance.

Too many people over the average weight got on, were sat in the wrong place and when the plane tried to take off the rear of the plane just did not go up. It crashed into a hanger. Both pilots and all 19 passengers were killed.

If the plane wasnt overloaded like this the investigators concluded the plane could have survived its mechanical problem and landed safely.

Paying for two seats is small price to pay for something that is entirely your own fault so tough.

Now, on to the point about the cost. That's about fuel so the plane can get to where it needs to go.
Its either you are publicly weighed before boarding and charged extra if you weigh too much or you get charged for two seats to make up for the fuel costs.

Obviously, people with medical reasons behind their weight should be exempt.

PFL

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absolute rubbish


if someone is drunk on a flight due to some 'underlying pschological' problem they'd be chucked of the flight. If some fatty is spilling into my seat and is fat due to some 'underlying pschological problem' they should have to pay for two seats.

Size 18 Clothes use the same material as a size 8 are you for real it's the size 8 that subsidies the size 18 keeping the prices the same. I'm fed up with some people thinking being overweight is an illness. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILTY !!!!!

_sparkie_

if some people weigh more then the average person i dont see why it is unreasonable to charge more, they take up more space and cause more fuel to be burned.

maybe in this day and age with more obese people the 'average' person should be updated to accommodate this growing section of society

thecornflake

if you are fat , you have clearly eaten too much food. The fat doesn't get there by itself. You can't expect other people to suffer and pay extra so fat people can spill into someone elses seat and burn more fuel.

I too am sick of this ****e that it is an illness and this and that, no , you are fat because you kept eating, learn to stop. You do indeed have the right to stuff your fat face, but then you should be made pay more for seats ect.

Im sure the fat people who spill into the seat beside me would be very pissed off if i started eating their food on the plane beacuse i have a "problem" where i have to eat other peoples food. Its the same ****, you're being selfish, your fat because you ate to much, thats not our fault , so you deal with your fault , not us.


sorry i don't mean to "belittle" fat people "lol".

MardiB

sashafierce wrote: »

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She is not being a bitch, but merely referring to the amount of material used which is fair enough. If obesity is self inflicted due to laziness, greed etc, and not a medical reason then it can really fcuk people off. I'm just home fron work now, having had to get off my bus because some huge bloke eating a burger decided there was plenty of room to practically sit on my lap, while stuffing his face. I'm 5'4 and weigh about 8.5 stone. He should have sat at the back or stood. It's about consideration.:mad:

Fukuyama

Fed up of all th PC bollocks concerning fat people. Sure...a little padding is fair enough but people who eat to the point whereby they cant preform simple day to day things like a 30 second jog for the bus etc... should not 'weigh' their burdons on society.

And people comparing obeceness to a disability seriously pisses me off... its not a ****ing disability. Anyone in a wheelchair or whatever didnt get themselves into that situation and would give anything to be able to get up and walk.

So why dont fat people take care of their problem while they can still stand up. Any **** about it being to hard or underlying 'issues' is a cop out.

Deus Ex Machina

Nevore wrote: »

Just install bigger seats. That way they have enough room without crowding people, and the slimmer people get loads more room!

Oh wait, that would probably mean cutting back on the six figure bonuses for the execs. Can't be having that.

They are there to make money.

MistyCheese

PFL wrote: »

if someone is drunk on a flight due to some 'underlying pschological' problem they'd be chucked of the flight.

I don't know about throwing people off aeroplanes now.