What's everyone planning to do with the LC?! (In college?. )

BrenosBolts91

monaghanmissus wrote: »

primary teaching in St. Pats/Froebel if I get the points...

Cool I'm hoping to do primary in Pats too.

unknown13

fauxshow wrote: »

Law and Political Science in Trinity... not so sure I'm going to get it, I'm pretty sure I've lost my A1s in French and Irish with how the exams went It came in at 555 last year, which was its first year, and with only 20 places it could very well go up.

My second choice is pure law in Trinity... I'd be just as happy doing that, just law & pol is the creme de la creme of all the law courses! That was 520 last year and is likely to come DOWN five or ten points because of a drop in demand, so fingers crossed!

Complete nonsense. Law and Political science was only offered for the first time last year in Trinity. If you want the creme de la creme of law degrees going on graduates then it is Law in UCD.

An Arts degree will get you further than a law degree these days.

greener greene

Hopefully I'll be doin' photography in either IADT or DIT , with IADT as preference. Anyone else planning to go to IADT?

muffinz

My first choice is Trinners, but seeing as I shant be getting the points, Ill be off to Galway! Hoping to do Geography and Archaeology I have around 7 choices down, from earth sciences in Limerick to arts in Maynooth... Ive never been bothered about university, everyone gets so competitive about over where theyre going and what theyre doing. In my eyes, all Unis are good, they have got to be if they're up and running and have brilliant graduates every year! So whether its trinity, maynooth or galway, idc :pac:

Trackmedown

hoping for medicine in trinners but like that was more of a stab in the dark hope then a realistic hope! haha then well medicine anywhere or science in trinity or possibly podiatry... i really need ta make up my mind!

fauxshow

unknown13 wrote: »

Complete nonsense. Law and Political science was only offered for the first time last year in Trinity. If you want the creme de la creme of law degrees going on graduates then it is Law in UCD.

I meant that I feel it's the ''creme de la creme,'' a ''sexy degree'' or whatever... in my OPINION as to what I feel would suit ME best! For the areas I'm interested in, this is the perfect course for me personally. And I chose to apply to Trinity because it's law department is statistically ranked higher internationally and Trinity is a more internationally recognised university... which is important to ME personally and I hope to work internationally and do a postgrad abroad. Trinity's ranking is a statistic, NOT my opinion before anybody feels like disputing me. And in the Kings Inn they said UCD and Trinity graduates are fairly equal in terms of capability, with MAYBE a very slight upper hand going to Trinity... so saying UCD graduates are better than Trinity graduates or even vice versa really is incorrect.

And if you're talking about famous graduates... well if you look at the political arena, for me anyway the people I admire most: Mary Robinson - Trinity law graduate and Ivana Bacik - law lecturer in Trinity. The person I dislike the most: Brian Cowen - UCD law graduate. Obviously if you're a Fianna Failer you'd look at it differently, but that's just my tuppence worth!

I looked at the UCD and Trinity law departments, talked to students and lecturers, read the prospecti, went to the open days and talks, did all the research and made the decision that Law and Political Science or pure Law in Trinity was the best decision for me and is in my opinion the best courses that I would love to do most. I can appreciate that everyone has a different opinion, so they may not feel the Law&Pol in Trinity is the best course for them or whatever, but there are some undisputed statistics that should be considered anyway. Going to the best university in Ireland is important to me personally, UCD law department are v.g. though and I know people there at the moment who will probably go on to be incredible lawyers. It's all about personal preference!

almostnever wrote: »

Aha, same here! Well, except for the A in Irish...I was only ever going for a B1. Wanted an A1 in English badly and messed it up somethin' serious, and French was a disaster because I'm an idiot.

Is there really a drop in demand for straight Law in Trinity? That'd make me so happy...really genuinely freaking out over the points and any hope that they might come down would save my mental health over summer! That said, I don't think even if they do fall that it's still in my grasp. Ugh, silly exams.

Well, there's been an 8% drop in demand across the board for law according to the Irish Times, and points for Trinity have been going down consistently; part of this is also because they introduced Law and Political Science and Law and Business last year, so it's spreading demand for people applying to law in Trinity. Pure law came in at 520 last year, I doubt it'll drop more than five or maybe ten points but it's not going to go up anyway I don't reckon! Best of luck to you

Deleted User wrote: »

An Arts degree will get you further than a law degree these days.

???
It depend on what masters or careers you're interested in, so that's a bit of a fleeting statement, no? A lot of the most popular law courses are the ones that combine law and an arts discipline such as politics, history, philosophy, a language with them anyway.

If you want to become a barrister you have to pay 12,000 euro for a one year training course in the King's Inns, or two year part-time training course. If you didn't have an approved law degree you would have to spend a further 12 grand do a year's training course before entering training for the bar. And it's a very expensive career that's v. difficult to succeed in in the first place, so setting yourself back another twelve grand isn't a great idea. Even just economically (though this obviously isn't the reason I've made my decision!) doing a law degree will get you farther. I've talked to different lawyers about this, some say do law at undergraduate level, some say don't, some wished they did law at undergraduate level, others wished they didn't. I've decided for me personally it will help me go farther if I do a law degree at undergraduate level.


Good luck to everyone, I hope you all get what you want!

LutherBlissett

The above post is hopelessly naive with regard to the various law schools in Ireland.

Firstly, it doesn't matter what college you went to for your undergraduate degree when you do King's Inns. The entrance exam is done blind - ie the marker does not add on extra percentage for a higher undergrad uni ranking. When (if, actually) you pass the exam, you have to do a year of training and then final exams. Again, this is done blind. So if for instance you are a graduate of the highest ranked college in Ireland, but fail one of your finals in King's Inns, you won't advance.

Different colleges have different specialisations. It could be said that academically, TCD is good because it offers a 4 year course (I would argue that this is excessive, but that's obviously a personal opinion). However, UCD has now extended its BCL to 4 years, so maybe that cancels out TCD's advantage. In terms of being a practitioner, many think that either UCD or UCC are the best colleges to have attended for undergrad. UCD is very strong on subjects of a commercial nature, while UCC has an excellent reputation with regard to public law.

Do not be tempted to say "famous person X" lectures in TCD, therefore it must be best. Each of the leading law schools in Ireland (arguably TCD, UCD and UCC) has famous academics on its books - you just haven't heard of them yet. Yeah, Ivana Bacik does lecture at TCD. But, Prof. David Gwynn Morgan lectures in UCC. Have you heard of him? No? If you do law, by the time the first month of your degree is out, you will know exactly who he is. There are a host of academics working for UCD and UCC that actually outstrip figures like Ivana Bacik in terms of "fame" in legal circles. It is also important to note that just because a person is a celebrity lecturer, this does not mean that they can actually teach.

Finally, you say you want to practice internationally. Well, UCC and UCD offer a BCL (International) course, in which (if you are academically successful, or reasonably so) you spend the year abroad in an internationally esteemed uni studying international law. In many cases, the exchange unis rank higher than anycollege in Ireland. TCD does not offer this, or if it does, it definitely doesn't accredit it.

In sum, be careful when tossing assertions around regarding law schools in Ireland.

Professional Griefer

Kersmash wrote: »

Computer science, UCC.

This, Arts, or hopefully, Law, all in UCC

fauxshow

LutherBlissett wrote: »

The above post is hopelessly naive with regard to the various law schools in Ireland.

Firstly, it doesn't matter what college you went to for your undergraduate degree when you do King's Inns. The entrance exam is done blind - ie the marker does not add on extra percentage for a higher undergrad uni ranking. When (if, actually) you pass the exam, you have to do a year of training and then final exams. Again, this is done blind. So if for instance you are a graduate of the highest ranked college in Ireland, but fail one of your finals in King's Inns, you won't advance.

Different colleges have different specialisations. It could be said that academically, TCD is good because it offers a 4 year course (I would argue that this is excessive, but that's obviously a personal opinion). However, UCD has now extended its BCL to 4 years, so maybe that cancels out TCD's advantage. In terms of being a practitioner, many think that either UCD or UCC are the best colleges to have attended for undergrad. UCD is very strong on subjects of a commercial nature, while UCC has an excellent reputation with regard to public law.

Do not be tempted to say "famous person X" lectures in TCD, therefore it must be best. Each of the leading law schools in Ireland (arguably TCD, UCD and UCC) has famous academics on its books - you just haven't heard of them yet. Yeah, Ivana Bacik does lecture at TCD. But, Prof. David Gwynn Morgan lectures in UCC. Have you heard of him? No? If you do law, by the time the first month of your degree is out, you will know exactly who he is. There are a host of academics working for UCD and UCC that actually outstrip figures like Ivana Bacik in terms of "fame" in legal circles. It is also important to note that just because a person is a celebrity lecturer, this does not mean that they can actually teach.

Finally, you say you want to practice internationally. Well, UCC and UCD offer a BCL (International) course, in which (if you are academically successful, or reasonably so) you spend the year abroad in an internationally esteemed uni studying international law. In many cases, the exchange unis rank higher than anycollege in Ireland. TCD does not offer this, or if it does, it definitely doesn't accredit it.

In sum, be careful when tossing assertions around regarding law schools in Ireland.

Saying my post is ''hopelessly naive'' is a bit of a personal assumption to make about somebody you've never even met?

I think you seriously misunderstood a lot of what I was saying... I was responding to a poster who said that ''you're better off going to UCD based on graduates.'' I was pointing out that the Kings Inn say it DOESN'T matter what school you went to (and you just agreed with me there) and that you shouldn't base who went were on your decision (which you also agreed with). The poster seemed to admire UCD law graduates and was therefore advocating that UCD was better... I was simply pointing out that I could make the exact same argument that Trinity was better based on which law graduates in the public eye I admire most, meaning that that argument doesn't make much sense. I think it's very clear that I was NOT saying ''oh I like Ivana Bacik so I think I'll go to Trinity.'' I don't think you understood this. FYI I have heard of Prof. David Gwynn Morgan... like I said, I've done my research.

Trinity offers erasmus programmes to the same universities UCD does. They do accredit it. The universities involved do not have higher international rankings.

Somebody posted saying UCD is better, I gave my personal reasons for choosing Trinity, having spoken to students at both universities, barristers, solicitors, judges and researched the exact modules which both courses entail across the three/four years. I know which universities have their strengths, and Trinity offers more strengths in the areas I am most interested in, which contributed to my decision that Trinity was the best place for me personally. I would consider myself anything but naive regarding how third level law degrees work.

Every single lecturer and lawyer I've ever spoken to (including senior counsels and profs from the University of Oxford with decades of experience) about this has advocated that a four year degree is much better, especially for law, as the older you are when you enter the profession the better... all of them have said that nobody is going to hire a twenty five year old solicitor at the end of the day and that you also need a bit of maturity and life experience etc. I can appreciate you might view this differently, but again, I really don't think I am in anyway naive if I have considered factors like these.

DaveHeno92

Hopefully european business (transatlantic studies).

If I don't get the points, then international business and languages (german/spanish)

Either way I'm quite happy with it

LutherBlissett

Final word on the topic with regard to a few things:

The BCL Int degree - you may have missed something here, as last time I checked, the exchange unis for UCC and UCD included unis like Leiden (arguably one of the leading colleges in the world for international law, and one of the exchange universities of Oxford law - quite an endorsement I think you will find). And TCD doesn't accredit it in the same way - it's just regarded as an Erasumus component of a general LLB.

"Nobody will hire a solicitor at 25" - you might want to research the concept of a "training contract" with regard to this assertion. Many secure a TC before they even leave college (having done a 3 year BCL).

The idea that spending 4 years at undergrad level is academically beneficial. Plenty would disagree with this. While you remain at undergrad, things are not looked at in a huge amount of depth. Essentially, you spend an extra year applying analytical skills of an undergrad nature to different subjects. It is only when you move onto LLM (Master's) level or PhD that you scrutinise legal matters in more detail. Those serious about academia often adopt the attitude that the sooner you finish the BCL/ LLB, the sooner you can move on to the "deep" academic issues.

fauxshow

LutherBlissett wrote: »

Final word on the topic with regard to a few things:

The BCL Int degree - you may have missed something here, as last time I checked, the exchange unis for UCC and UCD included unis like Leiden (arguably one of the leading colleges in the world for international law, and one of the exchange universities of Oxford law - quite an endorsement I think you will find). And TCD doesn't accredit it in the same way - it's just regarded as an Erasumus component of a general LLB.

"Nobody will hire a solicitor at 25" - you might want to research the concept of a "training contract" with regard to this assertion. Many secure a TC before they even leave college (having done a 3 year BCL).

The idea that spending 4 years at undergrad level is academically beneficial. Plenty would disagree with this. While you remain at undergrad, things are not looked at in a huge amount of depth. Essentially, you spend an extra year applying analytical skills of an undergrad nature to different subjects. It is only when you move onto LLM (Master's) level or PhD that you scrutinise legal matters in more detail. Those serious about academia often adopt the attitude that the sooner you finish the BCL/ LLB, the sooner you can move on to the "deep" academic issues.

I really don't want to turn this into an endless argument but I can't resist also having a final word as it seems again you have misunderstood a few things I said.

Fair enough about the one degree you have pointed out here, but I do know Law with French Law in both TCD and UCD works the same with the exact same universities involved, a UCD lecturer and a graduate both told me this at the UCD open day. Yes, I am extremely familiar with Lieden, I was shortlisted to the top twenty for Law with Law Studies in Europe at Oxford last December and would have spent my third year there had I made the top seven and secured a place. I get the impression you're a UCD or UCC graduate? I'm not dissing either university, I just weighed everything up and decided I would like to study in Trinity the most after Oxford didn't work out for me. And every prof I spoke to when I was over for interview there said a four year undergraduate degree was much better in the long run. Like I said in my previous post, I appreciate that you may view this differently, however I've talked to plenty of people in the profession and this is the first time I've ever heard someone advocate a three-year degree. The ''nobody will hire a solicitor at 25'' is not reflective of my own opinion, as I stated previously, it is what other people have told me. I'm sure things were different in your day, but all I've heard from recent graduates are stories about how they're unable to even get an unpaid apprenticeship due to the current economic climate. Anyway, I'm sure you're going to disagree with me on 95% of this but I respect your opinions and hope if anything you've taken away from this that I don't have a hopelessly naive perception of studying law. Good night and good luck.

unknown13

fauxshow wrote: »

Saying my post is ''hopelessly naive'' is a bit of a personal assumption to make about somebody you've never even met?

I think you seriously misunderstood a lot of what I was saying... I was responding to a poster who said that ''you're better off going to UCD based on graduates.'' I was pointing out that the Kings Inn say it DOESN'T matter what school you went to (and you just agreed with me there) and that you shouldn't base who went were on your decision (which you also agreed with). The poster seemed to admire UCD law graduates and was therefore advocating that UCD was better... I was simply pointing out that I could make the exact same argument that Trinity was better based on which law graduates in the public eye I admire most, meaning that that argument doesn't make much sense. I think it's very clear that I was NOT saying ''oh I like Ivana Bacik so I think I'll go to Trinity.'' I don't think you understood this. FYI I have heard of Prof. David Gwynn Morgan... like I said, I've done my research.

Trinity offers erasmus programmes to the same universities UCD does. They do accredit it. The universities involved do not have higher international rankings.

Somebody posted saying UCD is better, I gave my personal reasons for choosing Trinity, having spoken to students at both universities, barristers, solicitors, judges and researched the exact modules which both courses entail across the three/four years. I know which universities have their strengths, and Trinity offers more strengths in the areas I am most interested in, which contributed to my decision that Trinity was the best place for me personally. I would consider myself anything but naive regarding how third level law degrees work.

Every single lecturer and lawyer I've ever spoken to (including senior counsels and profs from the University of Oxford with decades of experience) about this has advocated that a four year degree is much better, especially for law, as the older you are when you enter the profession the better... all of them have said that nobody is going to hire a twenty five year old solicitor at the end of the day and that you also need a bit of maturity and life experience etc. I can appreciate you might view this differently, but again, I really don't think I am in anyway naive if I have considered factors like these.

I personally have never read so much rubbish on this forum than this. The poster [fauxshow] is trying to get around the fact that he/she is clearly going to TCD based on possible future ego's.

fauxshow

unknown13 wrote: »

I personally have never read so much rubbish on this forum than this. The poster [fauxshow] is trying to get around the fact that he is clearly going to TCD based on possible future ego's.

First of all, I'm a girl. Second of all, you don't even know me... I've explained logically my reasons for weighing up different law faculties and ultimately deciding that Trinity law is the place I'm putting number one on my CAO. You don't even know me, let alone enough about to jump to wild assumption that I'm ''clearly going to TCD based on possible future ego's.'' Whatever your opinion on TCD may be, if you read my post properly I don't think you can argue (in a rather offensive manner I might add) that this is a load of ''rubbish.'' I'm guessing you already had your mind made up about me before you even read the first sentence.

tracker-man

could ye take this outside? Please! Its gone way way off topic!
Anywho, after college I have medicine first choice but i'm having cold feet, really afraid i'm going to regret the long long road and hardship when I could be doing a 9 to 5 job and be earning money in 5 years as opposed to still being in college!

ZorbaTehZ

tracker-man wrote: »

Anywho, after college I have medicine first choice but i'm having cold feet, really afraid i'm going to regret the long long road and hardship when I could be doing a 9 to 5 job and be earning money in 5 years as opposed to still being in college!

You're serious? Working the 9-5 sounds appealing to you? :eek:

randylonghorn

Could the erstwhile lawyers in the forum please remember that they are not arguing a case before the Chief Justice, won't be for many years to come, and forbear from turning the forum into Mock Trials.

A little courtesy and a little respect for the opinions of others would be nice, whether or not you agree with them.

And you may eventually find that while which university you attended is not unimportant in the legal world, which tends to suffer more from inherent snobbery than most professions, your natural ability and capacity for hard work will be far more important in the heel of the hunt.

unknown13 wrote: »

I personally have never read so much rubbish on this forum than this. The poster [fauxshow] is trying to get around the fact that he/she is clearly going to TCD based on possible future ego's.

Tone it down a couple of notches.

fauxshow

fauxshow wrote: »

???
It depend on what masters or careers you're interested in, so that's a bit of a fleeting statement, no? A lot of the most popular law courses are the ones that combine law and an arts discipline such as politics, history, philosophy, a language with them anyway.

If you want to become a barrister you have to pay 12,000 euro for a one year training course in the King's Inns, or two year part-time training course. If you didn't have an approved law degree you would have to spend a further 12 grand do a year's training course before entering training for the bar. And it's a very expensive career that's v. difficult to succeed in in the first place, so setting yourself back another twelve grand isn't a great idea. Even just economically (though this obviously isn't the reason I've made my decision!) doing a law degree will get you farther. I've talked to different lawyers about this, some say do law at undergraduate level, some say don't, some wished they did law at undergraduate level, others wished they didn't. I've decided for me personally it will help me go farther if I do a law degree at undergraduate level.


Good luck to everyone, I hope you all get what you want!

No. There is no future in law. Most of my friends who have done law can't get work. It really is bleak out there for law students. I know a girl who got top of her class in FE1's and she found it ridiculously hard to get work.Barristers don't tend to earn much money. tt will take a long time and a lot of luck to ecome a successful Barrister.Plus in Ireland, they are referred to as solicitors. Lawyers are american.

JellyBeans92

I was thinking more on the lines that people could say
"Oh I'm thinking of doing Arts in UCD" or "I'm thinking Engineering in NUIG".. And talking about that, not somewhere to verbally attack people because they want to go to a college you don't like..

Being quite frank about it, how can you make such serious judgements about colleges you've never went to?. Under the assumption that most people commenting on this thread are LC students who as of yet have to go to college?

tracker-man

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

You're serious? Working the 9-5 sounds appealing to you? :eek:

Well, yes, in comparison to doing 48 hour shifts at a hospital for years and years. In comparison to the hardship associated with being an intern and SHO too, waiting and waiting and working your ass off to become a consultant. I could be 5 years in college + 1 year as intern + 2 years SHO + 4 years as registrar and then, maybe then could get a consultant post. So in comparison to a Primary teacher whos is a primary teacher after 4 years in College with a decent salary, fixed holidays etc. etc. it could be 12 years or more before I could enjoy the same! I'm also indecisive about it because I love science but I sometimes think I would be better off doing a general Science or Engineering degree rather than medicine at all! :pac:

ihavequestions

I have Physio down as my first choice in RCSI.... but I don't think I'll get the points so I'm trying to decide between nursing and science teaching. I've booked accom in UL aswell as the nursing and science teaching are there, cause I really don't think I'll get my physio course in RCSI Dub, which is so depressing
I cant choose whether to do nursing or science teaching.
I'm afraid with nursing because I hear they are treated HORRIBLY in hospitals and who wants a job where that happens?
And then with science teaching, I really don't want to have to teach the same course year in year out, it would get so monotonous ! But teachers get so much hols and their hours are set, compared to nurses hours!
I have 12 days to decide !!! Better get my thinking cap on!

Reillyman

ihavequestions wrote: »

I'm afraid with nursing because I hear they are treated HORRIBLY in hospitals and who wants a job where that happens?

Your correct, my mother is a nurse and she says the same thing to any of my friends applying for nursing courses. She says they are treated terribly, as are trainee doctors. She advised them to study in England as she reckons the system is much more professional and friendly there.

*not wanting to start an argument of trainee doctors being treated badly*

ihavequestions

Reillyman wrote: »

Your correct, my mother is a nurse and she says the same thing to any of my friends applying for nursing courses. She says they are treated terribly, as are trainee doctors. She advised them to study in England as she reckons the system is much more professional and friendly there.

*not wanting to start an argument of trainee doctors being treated badly*

Thanks.... oh man I'm so confused!!! I love like healthcare and want to do something in it ...but don't want to be treated for crap !
Fcuk it.... I've 3 exams left, I'm gonna bloody well work my ass off for these subjects, physics spa and construction, and try and get physio!!!!!!

/DETERMINED

starry nights

ihavequestions wrote: »

Thanks.... oh man I'm so confused!!! I love like healthcare and want to do something in it ...but don't want to be treated for crap !
Fcuk it.... I've 3 exams left, I'm gonna bloody well work my ass off for these subjects, physics spa and construction, and try and get physio!!!!!!

/DETERMINED

did you not apply for medicine? (just cos you said health care) or clinical speech therapy?

speech therapy was my dream but for personal reasons can no longer go for it, but went back to repeat to try get medicine..
*fingers crossed**

AmyMaria

Psychology in NUIM hopefully...fingers crossed

Fernicia

I hope with every fibre of my body that I get into Computer Science in UCC. (Points have been low for the past few years, but apparently demand has gone way up this year)

ihavequestions

starry nights wrote: »

did you not apply for medicine? (just cos you said health care) or clinical speech therapy?

speech therapy was my dream but for personal reasons can no longer go for it, but went back to repeat to try get medicine..
*fingers crossed**

A doctor would be my dream career, but I won't get the high points required to get in, like even with the HPAT, so I decided against applying. Hopefully I can do grad medicine at some point in my life!
My speech is not very clear at the best of times, so I'd say I would't be good at speech therapy!

I hope you get medicine! Good luck

JellyBeans92

AmyMaria wrote: »

Psychology in NUIM hopefully...fingers crossed

Arts or Science denominated?!

I applied for both, with BSc Psychology first, will probably end up doing it through undenominated Arts though because of my grades.

Psychedelia

tracker-man wrote: »

could ye take this outside? Please! Its gone way way off topic!
Anywho, after college I have medicine first choice but i'm having cold feet, really afraid i'm going to regret the long long road and hardship when I could be doing a 9 to 5 job and be earning money in 5 years as opposed to still being in college!

same as!
it seems great in some ways, but the bad reports of the career(boards being a great source for those) are daunting! the idea of heeding this advice sometimes seems a nice option and opting for a 'nicer' job!
Here's hoping it'll all work out.
what's your choice after medicine?