tour of switzerland

jwshooter

nicholas roach had a gud ride today , did well in the final climb.

RobFowl

Preselected for the TDF by his team as well

http://www.irishcycling.com/publish/news/art_4969.shtml

Dura Ace

Cavendish's bad year continues. He was all over the place in the sprint.

titan18

That was a really bad crash.Could see some retirements from that

jwshooter

OMG what a bad crash in the last 10m to the finish

niceonetom

Photos

sy

Looked like Haussler was going to beat Cavendish. Def Cav move off line and was the cause of the crash. Hope evreyone ok. Boonen was pretty quick on the brakes and who was the guy who went straight over the handlebars as he hit Cavendish? :eek:

niceonetom

sy wrote: »

Looked like Haussler was going to beat Cavendish. Def Cav move off line and was the cause of the crash. Hope evreyone ok. Boonen was pretty quick on the brakes and who was the guy who went straight over the handlebars as he hit Cavendish? :eek:

Milram guy? Ciolek (sp) maybe?

I just watched the highlights... any news out on the aftermath? I can't believe that at least a few riders are out for a while after that one.

niceonetom

Well, Haussler's out anyway.

sy

Video

sy

niceonetom wrote: »

Milram guy? Ciolek (sp) maybe?

I just watched the highlights... any news out on the aftermath? I can't believe that at least a few riders are out for a while after that one.

Was watching it live on Eurosport, and they replayed a few times in slow motion. Horrible to see the carnage as they were probably doing 65km/hr at the time. Luckily they kept clear of the barriers. Poor Haussler, sorry to hear he is out as he was in great form. Cavendish is having a nightmarish year

niceonetom

Our man Nico was near the front with a couple km to go. Wonder if he got away with it. There were lots of smaller crashes back though the group when the brakes went on...

Cav seems to have nothing but road rash (a LOT of road rash I bet) and bruises. Haven't heard more than that.

ROK ON

Wonder will the injured guy now miss the tour. What of the other guy, surely his odds on doing the tour will be lengthening.
Sorry on a bb so can't use spoilers.

jwshooter

ROK ON wrote: »

Wonder will the injured guy now miss the tour. What of the other guy, surely his odds on doing the tour will be lengthening.
Sorry on a bb so can't use spoilers.

cant see the point of spoilers TBH . we have picks and a video for feck sake .

but the guy on the ground hit it hard

sy

Highlights on Eurosport2 now

JacksonHeightsOwn

i have to say, if i was haussler, id be giving that manx twat a right could kick up the arse for his shambolic maneuvers

you could see clearly Haussler was winning the sprint, but then Cav careered into him, im not saying it was deliberate, but it certainly was reckless, and amateurish

he could have ended his TDF ride, ejit!

jwshooter

listing to euro sport you would think cav was the only one that fell .

DirkVoodoo

That was brutal, really nasty looking.

Obviously Cavendish was at fault but, despite the handling skills these guys have, when you are going full tilt in a sprint like that in close proximity to other riders I'm always amazed at how few sprint crashes there are.

Hope he recovers in time for the tour, getting hit by all the bikes while he was on the deck was the worst part.

jwshooter

cav ok just real bad road rash gone for x rays ,he might start in the morning .

coyot broken hip

JacksonHeightsOwn

jwshooter wrote: »

cav ok just real bad road rash gone for x rays ,he might start in the morning .

coyot broken hip

columbia HTC should have to pay him compensation imo

terrible riding by Cav, have we seen the true Cav without that phenomenal lead out train????

fran oconnor

any word on haussler yet,that lad never seems to get a good run of luck..on a good note though i think Niko stays in 11th for tomorrow..

petethedrummer

Good bit of body rolling there by cav and haussler.

What speed does a sprint hit generally?

Edit: In trying to find the answer myself i found this document: http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/MartinDocs/Sprint%20cycling%20performance%20review.pdf

And the formula for sprinting:


Edit2: It can be as high as 70-75km/h.

Stokolan

Heres another video of the crash from eurosport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7CBWUmW0Yw

Looking at the way some of them fell I dont know how there wasnt more damage done.

Muller_1

Though Cav does have to take some of the blame haussler had his head down for the entire sprint, so no way he could have seen Cav switching.

damoz

Stokolan wrote: »

Heres another video of the crash from eurosport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7CBWUmW0Yw

Looking at the way some of them fell I dont know how there wasnt more damage done.

OT - The end of that video (1:09 to 1:20) ends all debate about helmet safety for me - 2 severe slams onto asphalt but they get up ok. Without a helmet they would be lucky to survive that impact.

ednwireland

dont really get that crash cav comes across (completeley off his line imo) and hausslers shoulder hitds him on the thigh and then his front wheel slips away
lookls really weird (just watching theslow mo in full screen on the last clip)

hynesie

As somebody on CyclingTips said, Zipp 1 Hed 0
http://www.marca.com/albumes/2010/06/15/vuelta_suiza/index.html

ednwireland

so the wheel folded it certainly doesnt look from that photo that it happended as a result of the crash

Raam

Wheel looks fine up to this point.

DirkVoodoo

The wheel didn't just fold and cause the crash, of course it looks dramatic when you take a still image of something like that. Haussler runs over wheel, wheel snaps, bang!

As for helmets, well they are racing in a tight bunch at high speed and going hell for leather, I would hope they would be wearing them. If Tom Boonen weren't ~80-90Kg of bike, man, and equipment riding on narrow wheels, I don't think it would make much of a difference what Cav were wearing.

Chips Lovell

Someone with a better knowledge of physics than me might explain it better, but this has come up before, such as when Marcus Burghardt folded a Lightweight when he hit a dog in the 2007 Tour. I remember reading that essentially the wheel is subject to sideways force, with the full weight of the rider behind it and pretty much any rim would buckle in the circumstances.

DirkVoodoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT7f6Ac3FHI

irishmotorist

Raam wrote: »

Wheel looks fine up to this point.

Actually, it looks to me like the hub is off centre and there *may* be broken spokes in there...

Raam

Wheel looks slightly turned to me.

Caroline_ie

amused2death

Maybe Cavandish was attempting to do his trademark two finger salute early?

mcgratheoin

2 minute delay at the start of todays stage in protest at Cavendish's lack of respect for other riders.

**edit**
Eurosport commentators just said that protest was by Haussler's teammates because Cavendish didn't apologise but they don't think he has anything to apologise for :rolleyes:

el tel

I took the liberty of resizing those pics of bellend Cavendish falling. It's mad how the wheel rim appears to regain its shape after it has collapsed and been ridden over. I would never have thought carbon rims would have been so resilient following such big deflections. The snap back into shape seems to have produced a load of energy, check out the dust cloud!

amused2death

ednwireland wrote: »

so the wheel folded it certainly doesnt look from that photo that it happended as a result of the crash

Consider the speed a typical sprint involves, and the enormous forces being applied by the rider on the bike. Once these forces are no longer applied in the intended directions the energy has to be displaced else where. That is in an uncontrolled or intended manner hence the wheel collapsing immediately following Cavandish's initial contact with Haussler.

fran oconnor

Caroline_ie wrote: »

he can't even make his bed,never mind ride a bloody bike eh:rolleyes:

gerardduff

The physics of opening a box of tea bags applies here. A bastard at first until you make the first nick and then it just falls open.

I was watching Burghardt hit that dog live...oh my...5 years ago. He was barely moving.

Anyhoo, these carbon fibre wheels have no lateral strength, obviously.

The fact that they bounce back is a bit misleading, as it will have a crease in it just like bending a piece of metal and will be seriously fatigued and weak along that seam.

But that's neither here nor there as clearly Cavendish's wheel fell into quicksand....very unlucky.

Glad he's ok. Any news on the other riders?

jwshooter

wet stage today 4km left ,high lites ,did not hear or see of cav .fast descending in the wet

ColSheehan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Axn9jPq1g0

From todays stage :eek:

scooters

ColSheehan wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Axn9jPq1g0

From todays stage :eek:

Looked pretty bad, probably doing 50kph+

gerardduff

I thought he controlled it quite well. Even managed to clip out as soon as he knew he'd no grip...heroic!

papac

I thought he controlled it quite well.

+1. Both wheels sliding- Chapeau.

niceonetom

Caused by a broken cable apparently. No major injuries. I thought he might have taken a few spectators out but apparently they're ok - here.

I bet LA really puckered up on those roads.

<goes off to check cables>

Queen stage today .

ednwireland

niceonetom wrote: »

Caused by a broken cable apparently. No major injuries. I thought he might have taken a few spectators out but apparently they're ok - here.

I bet LA really puckered up on those roads.

<goes off to check cables>

Queen stage today .

+1 mechanic looking for a new job

rochefan

mcgratheoin wrote: »

2 minute delay at the start of todays stage in protest at Cavendish's lack of respect for other riders.

**edit**
Eurosport commentators just said that protest was by Haussler's teammates because Cavendish didn't apologise but they don't think he has anything to apologise for :rolleyes:

According to cyclingnews Cav was seen spitting at Haussler just after the crash

papac

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Would you like salt and vinegar on those Mark.:D
Tosser.

el tel

can anyone confirm that Cavendish has been pulled out of the race?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/cycling/8745840.stm