Topical discussion, no place for it in AH

My name is URL

Can anyone give a brief outline as to what purpose AH serves exactly? Some feed(back/forward) about that would be nice.

People complain about the lack of discussion in AH and how it's a dumping ground for unintellectual garbage that has no place anywhere else.. "This isn't AH" A line trotted out by mods all over the place.. fair enough, AH threads usually contain all manner of mannerisms, tangents and innuendos.

There was a World Cup thread closed.. because some people had the cheek to talk about football in it =o

AH is about the way in which conversation happens.. not what conversation is happening. It's supposed to be a more open board, and one where not-so-many restrictions apply on what you can post.

One single thread, on a current event which people want to talk about; is not going to obliterate AH. Sure it could be discussed in Soccer, but many are not that interested in soccer, or in discussing the technical side of the sport. AH Mods should be, at least able to differentiate what is a rare chain of memetic interest in a subject & the prolonged abuse of that being a 'loophole' in what is allowed.

The thread was doing no harm to either AH or the Soccer Forum.. it was serving its purpose and shouldn't have been closed, imo

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Agree. People might like to tal about how the WC is effecting their lives, non specific football issues, and aren't subscribed to the soccer forum.

Regards the AH, it might be an idea to have a sub-forum for schock-media stories and discussion of them.

stovelid

If one of the players die, you'll be quids in.

That way, the thread will be kept open and nobody will be allowed to troll it.

Rabies

stovelid wrote: »

If one of the players die, you'll be quids in.

That way, the thread will be kept open and nobody will be allowed to troll it.

LOL

Soccer threads--> Soccer
Game related --> Soccer
Hate/Fav team --> Soccer
Best/Worst player --> Soccer
Best hair --> Fashion and Apperance
Soccer game riots --> AH
Columbian president murders under performing team --> AH
Nike V Addidas --> AH
Your country of choice for a world cup --> AH(ish)

stovelid

Rabies wrote: »

Columbian president murders under performing team --> AH

I've not contributed to it myself but I can see that there would be people who are not really soccer-heads (or who don't want to go to the soccer forum) who might want to natter informally about the world cup. The tournament is the one that even non-aficionados like.

Unless there are a load of deleted posts in that AH thread (in which case, I apologize) it looked quite civil and that it was only one poster (who doesn't like soccer IIRC) was trolling and, rather ungraciously, was the first to thank the mod who closed it.

Don't get me wrong though. I do see the potential shit-storm around stuff like the England and France games and the like. Maybe it was a pre-emptive close with that England game in mind? :pac:

MikeC101

Whatever about the thread itself - and I don't really see the harm in allowing one World Cup thread, but I accept it if the mods really don't want it - was allowing one poster to stir sh1t on both of the football threads (the World Cup one and the "I hate football" thread), troll them both, and instead of him getting a slap on the wrist or asked to stop, everyone else was asked not to feed the troll, and both threads ended up locked.

Magenta

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Regards the AH, it might be an idea to have a sub-forum for schock-media stories and discussion of them.

Run To Da Hills would have a field day!!!

Rabies wrote: »

LOL

Soccer threads--> Soccer
Game related --> Soccer
Hate/Fav team --> Soccer
Best/Worst player --> Soccer
Best hair --> Fashion and Apperance
Soccer game riots --> AH
Columbian president murders under performing team --> AH
Nike V Addidas --> AH
Your country of choice for a world cup --> AH(ish)

"Irish women are stuck-up" discussions --> AH
"Foreign people" discussions --> AH
"British people" discussions --> AH
"Are British people foreign?" discussions --> AH
"Ur so ghey" discussions --> AH
"What's the most drunk/angry/happy/ghey you've ever been?" discussions --> AH

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BRUTALLY CASTRATE SEX OFFENDERS AND THEN JAIL THEIR EVIL TESTCIALS FOR LIFE + 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING I READ IN THE SUNDAY WORLD = AH STICKIED!!!

K-9

Too many current affairs threads in AH, tbh!

OutlawPete

My name is URL wrote: »

One single thread, on a current event which people want to talk about; is not going to obliterate AH.

Couldn't agree more.

I have never understood what the big hullabaloo was with the odd sport related thread (International Soccer, Grand National etc)

We know there is a Soccer forum, churning that out every time someone dares have a chat about international soccer is a joke at this stage. Everyone KNOWS there is a Soccer forum.

--- *Why don't you use it then!* :mad: ---

Same reason we don't want to use all the other forums for every damn thing that we wish to discuss in AH.

There is a Political forum, a Celeb forum, a Food & Drink forum, Film forum, Music forum etc etc etc

Will all threads now be locked that have topics that are really more suited to these individual forums??

No, of course not - so why is ONE damn thread being set aside for events like the World Cup or International games too much to ask?

Is it because people might argue about Henry or England??

Well, so what if they do.

If some poster gets abusive or unruly, ban them from posting in the thread, same as what happens if someone gets abusive or unruly on ANY thread on AH, particularly the political ones.

If that locked thread is not reopened, or at the very least, another one started to allow for World Cup banter - then there is just going to be a slew of new World Cup related threads started each and every day for the next month, that's obvious and seems to be to be an avoidable headache if AH Mods just could just argree to having one thread for World Cup talk.

I understand the thinking behind there not been soccer related threads such as "Liverpool just signed Ronaldo.." (or other such team gossip), but this is topical and very much something which the general public are discussing in pubs, taxis etc and so at least one thread should be provided for AH regulars who so obviously wish there to be one, so that they can banter about it just as they are able to do when it comes to all other current affairs.

kumate_champ07

K-9 wrote: »

Too many current affairs threads in AH, tbh!

too many people use 'tbh' to finish their posts, it irritates me, if Im being 100% truthful!

kumate_champ07

it's really very simple. some mods get a kick out of locking a thread.

Rabies

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

it's really very simple. some mods get a kick out of locking a thread.

only with certain posters.

Your name helps me remember the list

javaboy

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

it's really very simple. some mods get a kick out of locking a thread.

As the mod who locked that thread, I can tell you that is simply not true. I'll be offline most of the day but I'll try to answer more thoroughly later.

vodafoneproblem

Have to agree with Url and Pete. I don't see the harm in having at least one megathread on a subject that's on everyone's lips at the moment. I'm quite baffled by the current situation where you can tell a lot of people would love to add their 2c about matches (in the most popular general discussion area on boards) but not necessarily in the more intense atmosphere of the soccer forum. Perhaps if the current mods don't want to look after it then one or both of Url and Pete could be made temporary mods for the duration of the WC just for that thread? I really don't foresee any more trouble in it than the average AH thread, though.

WindSock

I hate Soccer so much I secretly want claw at the face of anyone who brings the subject up in my company. But I understand there is a huge popularity for it, the WC is a large current event and therefore a hot topic among the chattering classes. I don't see why there couldn't be a thread in AH for it, to contain it all in AH style. It's not like its the Premier League which is where you get the larger amount of pain in the arsehole passionate fanboi troublemakers.

biko

Even though you have a very general title on this thread I sense it's only about soccer you want to chat so here goes:

AH mods discussed the WC well in advance to decide whether we should say no to all threads, say yes to some or allow WC discussion fully in AH.

With the amount of trolls and sheer numbers of user in AH it would be unwieldy to fully allow it (also we don't want to draw away users from the Soccer forum).

We decided that to close anything remotely related would also be too strict so settled on that if the thread doesn't discuss results, players or specific matches it can stay. For instance the Jonjo thread that worked for a while the inevitable results discussion started and thread got locked.

There is a Vuvuzela thread, a Engerland thread, a North Korea thread and a Trevor Steven thread, all 4 still open.
There is a "Crucifying Robert Green" thread that definitely should have been in Soccer but user doesn't have access there or have some other reason.
Users that wanted to discuss results etc had several weeks to apply for access to Soccer, as per my sticky.

Many AH posters simply refuse to post in other forums. they want to discuss things in "their forum", even though there are many better suited forums.
In short "the forum doesn't come to you, you must go to the forum".

And no, this will not change if I can help it.

Ireland is not even playing for fecks sake!!

Biggins

I think that any direct threads that are opened based around the WC should be moved.

If one wants to discuss North Korea and its behaviour - using the WC and that as just one example amid others thats fine, but to start off a thread based solely around the WC, be it media related, player related, score related, etc - its all World Cup stuff, no if's or buts.

A rule is either applied or not. Distinctions have to be made but those that try and smartly try and go around those rules by initial misdirection, should be told plainly where to go to --> the soccer or media sections.

If not, we get what we are getting now only after TWO days!
AH starting to fill with everything World Cup related to some degree.
I'm seriously considering staying away from AH and Boards.ie till this bloody thing is over.
(The Trevor Steven thread for example has CLEARLY gone from a supposed(!) media thread to one of soccer theme.)

Will view AH for another day and if it continues as its going, will take a break for a while.

My name is URL

Biggins, that's a tad extreme.. nobody is forcing you to read the threads. Just because you don't have an interest in it doesn't mean nobody else does.. and if there was a single thread for WC discussion then it wouldn't be a case that discussions elsewhere were turning into discussions about soccer. You've started plenty of threads which may have been better placed in say Politics, and people have happilly taken part in them and discussed the topics without threatening to strike because the threads don't belong in AH

The type of discussion that was taking place in that thread would not be allowed in Soccer due to the off-topicness

Biggins

My name is URL wrote: »

Biggins, that's a tad extreme.. nobody is forcing you to read the threads. Just because you don't have an interest in it doesn't mean nobody else does.. and if there was a single thread for WC discussion then it wouldn't be a case that discussions elsewhere were turning into discussions about soccer. You've started plenty of threads which may have been better placed in say Politics, and people have happilly taken part in them and discussed the topics without threatening to strike because the threads don't belong in AH

The type of discussion that was taking place in that thread would not be allowed in Soccer due to the off-topicness

True somewhat, however some of the threads I post relate to social issues that also involve politics.
I might be guilty however as you say of breaking the rule myself sometimes.
In recent months I've declined many an opportunity to post/start-up political threads in AH - even though there is no clear rule not to so so.
I've avoided joining in with the bashing of any politician in AH, be it Harney or anyone else.
I kopped myself on (and about time too).

I had hoped despite this that there might be somewhere that might be free of the world cup madness and all that it brings but even in AH its starting to seep in more so daily.
So I guess I will take a break for a while rather than annoy people in AH. I've many good friends and the rest are all good folk so I don't want to be a further pain.
See ye all in a few weeks and those that are into the football, I hope ye get some good entertainment and a bit of good craic.

All the best.

OutlawPete

biko wrote: »

With the amount of trolls and sheer numbers of user in AH it would be unwieldy to fully allow it (also we don't want to draw away users from the Soccer forum).

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

Don't want to draw users away from the Soccer Forum??

With ONE thread?

Genuine Soccer Forum regulars wouldn't want to use that thread, I lurk the Soccer Forum daily and when that thread was open, only two Soccer Forum regulars posted in it and even then I think it was just a couple of posts.

No thread in AH is going to draw users away from the Soccer Forum.

biko wrote: »

We decided that to close anything remotely related would also be too strict so settled on that if the thread doesn't discuss results, players or specific matches it can stay.

A nonsensical decision.

biko wrote: »

There is a Vuvuzela thread, a Engerland thread, a North Korea thread and a Trevor Steven thread, all 4 still open.

FOUR THREADS that have to be modded to make sure that nobody starts discussing soccer.

Yeah, that sounds like a much better idea than having just one 'general world cup thread'.

You must be naive if you think those threads will stay 'soccer free'.

As soon as the footie kicks off, then inevitably someone will see those threads as a place to mention a goal that just took place.

biko wrote: »

There is a "Crucifying Robert Green" thread that definitely should have been in Soccer but user doesn't have access there or have some other reason.

Well now that seems like a odd thing to post Biko, as I would say another poster that does not have Soccer Forum access will start a thread and if it's locked will quote the above and then you will have another Feedback thread screaming that his thread was locked yet the 'Robert Green' one wasn't.

biko wrote: »

Users that wanted to discuss results etc had several weeks to apply for access to Soccer, as per my sticky.

This again.

Could you or another AH Mod address the points I made regarding this:

OutlawPete wrote: »

--- *Why don't you use the Soccer Forum* ---

Same reason we don't want to use all the other forums for every damn thing that we wish to discuss in AH.

There is a Political forum, a Celeb forum, a Food & Drink forum, Film forum, Music forum etc etc etc

Will all threads now be locked that have topics that are really more suited to those individual forums??

No, of course not - so why is ONE damn thread being set aside for events like the World Cup or International games too much to ask?

Nothing in your post addresses the above, it's just the same ole 'use the Soccer Forum' line churned out yet again with no clear and understandable reason why ONE 'general World Cup discussion' thread is not workable.

On the contrary, the allowing of multiply "non soccer" threads just seems to be giving yourselves even more Mod workload.

What is SOO special about Soccer that it has to be kept to one forum?

Why allow Politics threads that cause more heated debates that result in banning than any other topic.

Why is this different than soccer?

Sometimes there can be ten politically themed threads going at the same time, yet ONE for the World Cup is a no-no.

biko wrote: »

Ireland is not even playing for fecks sake!!

What has that got to do with anything?

The pubs are packed with with people watching the games, it's being discussed everywhere you go .. but hey, lets not have a thread to discuss it in After Hours, we'll just draw users away from the Soccer Forum if we do that.

SV

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938631

and even THIS gets locked?
this is disgraceful carry on.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SV wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938631

and even THIS gets locked?
this is disgraceful carry on.

Was just about to say exaclty the same thing. Thread is about jounralism and jingoism, not football. If we want to dfisucss the merits of the game, yes - soccer. But media reaction to it? AH.

With all due respect to Micky Dolenz, this one isn't even close.

Micky Dolenz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Was just about to say exaclty the same thing. Thread is about jounralism and jingoism, not football. If we want to dfisucss the merits of the game, yes - soccer. But media reaction to it? AH.

With all due respect to Micky Dolenz, this one isn't even close.

Really, second line of first post reveals result of a game, followed by more results of other games played before WC. There is a whole section of boards allocated for that kind of talk.

Wibbs

OutlawPete wrote: »

Sometimes there can be ten politically themed threads going at the same time, yet ONE for the World Cup is a no-no.

Good point.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Really, second line of first post reveals result of a game, followed by more results of other games played before WC. There is a whole section of boards allocated for that kind of talk.

Then a mod warning to stay on topic would have sufficed. Sorry, but there are threads all the time of media reporting that stay in AH.

Also, the following posts were also about media reaction to soccer events. If I had mentioned Ryle Nugent after the Henieken Cup final, would I have been told to take it to Rugby?

I'm guessing not.

Micky Dolenz

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Then a mod warning to stay on topic would have sufficed. Sorry, but there are threads all the time of media reporting that stay in AH.

Also, the following posts were also about media reaction to soccer events. If I had mentioned Ryle Nugent after the Henieken Cup final, would I have been told to take it to Rugby?

I'm guessing not.

If posters follow guidelines here , (which state clearly that any talk of results will end in thread closure) there won't be a problem.

OutlawPete

SV wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938631

and even THIS gets locked?
this is disgraceful carry on.

And this is what will go on for the next month.

As I said in my last post only a 45 minutes ago, posters will inevitably mention scores in those threads and they will have to be locked.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If posters follow guidelines here , (which state clearly that any talk of results will end in thread closure) there won't be a problem.

It's is naive in the extreme to think that non-soccer related World Cup threads would stay 'soccer free'.

One thread could have been set aside for ALL World Cup talk and all this crap would have been avoided.

That way, all the AH regulars that HATE soccer, would only have to avoid ONE thread, now they will have a month of seeing five different 'non-soccer' World Cup threads each day.

I find it hard to believe that all eight AH moderators could think that this was the way to go.

I accept that you all have agreed to this after discussing it, but please tell me there was at least one lone voice saying that a World Cup Thread might be a better way to go as dealing with constant multiple threads everyday for a month will be a nightmare.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If posters follow guidelines here , (which state clearly that any talk of results will end in thread closure) there won't be a problem.

Biko in above link wrote:

Any discussions of players, matches or results in After Hours will result in deleted posts or thread being locked.

You're not listening.

Football was not discussed. Players were not discussed. Matches were not discussed. Results were not discussed. Journalism was attempted to be discussed before you locked the thread. The 1-1 draw was not even mentioned, other than by the opening link.

Again - would you have locled the thread if it had been discussing media reaction to a different sport?

Micky Dolenz

OutlawPete wrote: »

It's is naive in the extreme to think that non-soccer related World Cup threads would stay 'soccer free'.

Exactly, that's why, I for one, want no soccer related threads in AH.

The Mods of AH have discussed this at length and even if one or two were willing to mod a mega thread, inevitably we would all end up modding it when people are off line. We are not soccer forum mods.

SV

OutlawPete wrote: »

And this is what will go on for the next month.

As I said in my last post only a 45 minutes ago, posters will inevitably mention scores in those threads and they will have to be locked.

they don't HAVE to be locked though.
it's a good rule introduced to stop AH being overrun with threads on the WC being taken to the extreme.


it's like prosecuting someone for speeding when they're 1km/h over the speed limit

OutlawPete

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Exactly, that's why, I for one, want no soccer related threads in AH.

What is wrong with people wanting to discuss scores or soccer at the World Cup?

Give me the worse case scenario of what could happen if there was ONE World Cup thread were people could discuss anything relating to it, including the football and scores (without mentioning the soccer forum please Micky).

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

The Mods of AH have discussed this at length and even if one or two were willing to mod a mega thread.

God bless them, they had sense.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

.. inevitably we would all end up modding it when people are off line.

So what.

Is what you are you doing now easier??

Come on, now you have to keep your eye on five or six "non-soccer" World Cup threads in case anyone dares mention a goal.

It's laughable.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

We are not soccer forum mods.

You're not Politics Forum mods either.

You want ALL Political threads banned from After Hours too?

My name is URL

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Exactly, that's why, I for one, want no soccer related threads in AH.

The Mods of AH have discussed this at length and even if one or two were willing to mod a mega thread, inevitably we would all end up modding it when people are off line. We are not soccer forum mods.

That's just petty.. you're an AH mod. Can you please explain what exactly AH is if not a place for topical discussions* which would not be suitable in other fora?

You don't like football therefor it's a banned subject... ridiculous

*discussion in this case meaning the way a discussion develops and flows

SV

SV wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938631

and even THIS gets locked?
this is disgraceful carry on.

That was a ridiculous decision in my mind.. I think he mustn't have seen what the thread was about or why I set it up.
"USA Win 1-1". That's not a discussion on results, that's a discussion on shite or trolling journalism.

And I've posted before about where each thread on After Hours should actually be.. Yet it's only Soccer that's so intensely monitored. You'd think the mods might have learned after the Henry incident.
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63132389&postcount=242


edit: The World Cup is a massive event on the world stage.. I don't want to wander of to the Soccer forum where I know nobody and there's none of the same humor to discuss it. One thread with the regulars you're used to is not too much too ask.

TheZohanS

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Exactly, that's why, I for one, want no soccer related threads in AH.

The Mods of AH have discussed this at length and even if one or two were willing to mod a mega thread, inevitably we would all end up modding it when people are off line. We are not soccer forum mods.

To be fair Micky you're not really an AH poster now are you? I can't remember you having ever posting in AH.

Biko did give plenty of warning about asking for soccer access, I think the thread might even still be stickied, he put this up a month ago. So posters cannot say they weren't warned.

IMO soccer threads should be closed, but the likes of the one that Micky closed where the US called a 1-1 score a win should be left and warnings given to stay on topic.

Yes it will create extra effort for mods but when you take on the job of mod you know what you're in for, mods should be modding for the benefit of the forum and not for what makes life handy or easier for them.

Aids By Google

This is the kind of thing that brought about a number of people leaving boards to form lolcaust and that other poker one. Irishpoker boards or something.

What next? ah or afterhours.ie as a new forum with all the regulars from boards.ie/AH ?

Unbelievable!

It is raining quite heavily outside now too

WindSock

There are 9 mods of AH now. And 3 CMods (One of whom is also listed as an AH mod)
I think that is the most there has ever been on AH from when I have been using boards. Surely a single mega thread will not be too difficult to handle between the lot of you? It's probably more work for you now over here in feedback responding to us whingers than it is to let a thread run.

Aids By Google

Aids By Google wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that brought about a number of people leaving boards to form lolcaust and that other poker one. Irishpoker boards or something.

What next? ah or afterhours.ie as a new forum with all the regulars from boards.ie/AH ?

Unbelievable!

It is raining quite heavily outside now too

You know alot for 162 posts :P

Brava

Aids By Google wrote: »

This is the kind of thing that brought about a number of people leaving boards to form lolcaust and that other poker one. Irishpoker boards or something.

What next? ah or afterhours.ie as a new forum with all the regulars from boards.ie/AH ?

Unbelievable!

It is raining quite heavily outside now too

TBH a lot of the regulars have moved on to private forums because of the modding in AH.

I think bringing on mods who have never posted in AH was a joke.

dr.bollocko

WindSock wrote: »

There are 9 mods of AH now. And 3 CMods (One of whom is also listed as an AH mod)
I think that is the most there has ever been on AH from when I have been using boards. Surely a single mega thread will not be too difficult to handle between the lot of you? It's probably more work for you now over here in feedback responding to us whingers than it is to let a thread run.

But if you have a megathread for the world cup and its people typing as they watch then that's a soccer forum situation. That's my thoughts on it. The reason it was closed was that it was already a post while you're watching style thread discussing the soccer (which is fine) however asking posters to post about the WC without posting about soccer is silly.
To have 4 or 5 threads about different aspects of the world cup which arent soccer forum material seems like a much more reasonable idea that facilitates discussion without the in-match discussion post while you're watching type megathread. So as you can see a number of threads have remained open on the WC. There is no blanket ban as has been demonstrated. Other threads which are directly relating to matches have been locked because there is a soccer forum with rules for access and those rules are there for a reason.
Strange things, annoyances and vuvuzelas or whatever they're called, well that's reasonable AH stuff. Discussion on the near miss Ghana just had there against Serbia is out and out soccer forum stuff.

We could go zero tolerance and blanket ban every thread on the WC or we can try and pick and keep hold of which ones are AH material.
Case by case. Because blanket bans piss people off.

Overheal

Megathread sounds like a bad idea. Wouldnt it just turn into match threads? The USA England game had at least 600-800 posts in the course of 90 minutes. Dupe that for each match in the group stages. And factor in AH's big crowd, along with the rambunctuous nature. did I spell that right? Rambunctuous?

I don't see how you would reasonably stop AH posters en masse from trying to post in it during a match and forbid them from discussing the match. Sounds like a headache. Unless the idea was to lock those threads when a match was on.

And where does this thread you just posted in belong? Out of interest..
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055938809

If we can have a thread about camping in After Hours instead of Outdoor Pursuits, I don't see the issue of having a thread that takes up the same room specifically set for the world cup.. This idea of separate threads clearly doesn't work since my thread mentioned above got locked for no reason.

dr.bollocko

Brava wrote: »

TBH a lot of the regulars have moved on to private forums because of the modding in AH.

I think bringing on mods who have never posted in AH was a joke.

In relation to CAFC we have done what we can there to help the guys out and it was with help from AH mods that that forum got pushed through to be fair. It was done hand in hand because one mega off topic thread was not something that would be good for AH. Now when you look at that forum, good as it is, it is all private forum flirting type stuff and is a lot less.... constrained than AH in terms of flirtation. So it has it's right place now and people are happy with that.
In relation to "because of the modding in ah" well that's just not very provable.

You're taking the locking of one thread as an indication that we have said NO DISCUSSION WE ARE THE MODS BLAH BLAH BLAH. Then in reply 4 threads were highlighted that are in AH and were open and were about the world cup. So there's discussion being facilitated.
So the title of the thread "Topical discussion, no place for it in AH" is pretty misleading to be fair.

My name is URL

What is the big deal if somebody posts about football in a WC Megathread? Seriously it's anal for there to be such a restriction on people during such an event. As has been said countless times, the discussion was about the WC and WC related things. It's not damaging to the Soccer forum if somebody mentions a score, and it's not damaging to AH if people are allowed to generally discuss it in one bloody thread

Disallowing discussion on the event is excessive and unfounded

Overheal, there were 600 posts in that thread because it was in the Soccer forum.. the thread in AH would have been mostly off-topic and that isn't allowed in match discussion threads in the Soccer forum

And as for it being a pain in the arse to mod, well maybe those mods that see modding as a pain in the arse should really reconsider if they want to be frigging Mods

dr.bollocko

Well URL that's part of a larger discussion about AH's place within boards. There is a soccer forum which has strict access policies. They're there for a reason. You're asking to circumvent those so people can post about soccer in AH.
In some cases, certainly mentioned earlier that is entirely reasonable. Henry cheating for example. In others, well you can leave it up to moderator discretion and say "no threads discussing it at all" which is needlessly nazi, or try and find a line where WC can be discussed.
In relation to this, personally I do not believe that the kind of discussion generated by the world cup will contain the same venom as past soccer related threads because it's international not club football and is a decent spectacle. Perhaps an open to all world cup forum would be the best thing because disallowing discussion to those who don't have access to soccer is not really something that sits well.
That said there has been no blanket ban. Just an attempt to keep soccer discussion out of after hours as has always been the case.
So from an AH POV we have the following possibilities:

No talk at all of WC / soccer and move it all to soccer forum which many don't have access to.

1 mega thread about the world cup which does not allow soccer forum type discussion.

1 mega thread which people are free to talk about all aspects of the world cup because its only in one thread.

A bunch of smaller threads which the stranger or more off topic aspects of the world cup being discussed AH style and other threads which are directly football related being locked. (They are locked as the soccer forum mods discourage the moving of threads to their forum)


Personally I prefer the last option (the one we're going with at the mo) as it sticks best to the ethos of AH as I see it. I don't think implying we're power mad or blanket banning topics outright is fair at all because we have specifically tried to avoid that.

RonMexico

After Hours has gone to ****e, what was once the gem of boards has been ruined by humourless OTT modding. I don't want to go through the hassle of registering for the soccer forum which looks like the kind of place where you have to walk on eggshells 24/7. Now there is nowhere to have a funny shoot the **** World Cup discussion. Well done to the genius behind that decision.

jd007

dr.bollocko wrote: »

In relation to CAFC...
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[Wildly off topic] Sorry, what's CAFC? [/wildly off topic]

My name is URL

Dr B.. imho, allowing a thread for people to discuss all things WC does not mean that there needs to be sea of change in the way of how AH is run or what it means. It's simply a bit of leeway being shown to its regular posters who are interested in talking about a subject in a way which only AH can accomodate

Personally I'd like to see a megathread rather than a whole load of threads about weird stuff pertaining to the WC

The restrictions in the Soccer forum are there because those that choose to actively post there are usually die hard football fans, and discussions can become very heated. A thread in AH could easily avoid such heated debate with a simple warning to those posting in it.

I can't wrap my head around why the thread needed to be closed for the reasons stated. Somebody mentioned football.. dear god, it's not going to cause space-time to collapse in on itself

dr.bollocko

Its handier as a regular poster to have a mega thread sometimes. So for yourself and others (the reg'lars) that's a good solution. However for new posters and those who don't use AH as their regular hang out those mega threads can be unfriendly places, can often be ignored. They are by definition large, move fast and tend to jump from one topic to another. So if, for example, tomorrow, we have a debate about an aspect of soccer in AH, I dunno, Kaka's leg gets blown off by a mine or they discover the pitch in jo'burg is built on an ancient wasp burial site or whatever there's a discussion worthy of a thread of it's own. That'd be my take on it.
We have already stated on a sticky up for a month or so saying there won't be soccer related discussion on after hours. The lack of an open forum to post about the world cup is regrettable tbh. The lack of that puts AH prime in the spot to inherit such discussion.
Hmmm.

Brava

dr.bollocko wrote: »

In relation to CAFC we have done what we can there to help the guys out and it was with help from AH mods that that forum got pushed through to be fair. It was done hand in hand because one mega off topic thread was not something that would be good for AH. Now when you look at that forum, good as it is, it is all private forum flirting type stuff and is a lot less.... constrained than AH in terms of flirtation. So it has it's right place now and people are happy with that.
In relation to "because of the modding in ah" well that's just not very provable.

You're taking the locking of one thread as an indication that we have said NO DISCUSSION WE ARE THE MODS BLAH BLAH BLAH. Then in reply 4 threads were highlighted that are in AH and were open and were about the world cup. So there's discussion being facilitated.
So the title of the thread "Topical discussion, no place for it in AH" is pretty misleading to be fair.

There were about 70% of the posts in that thread about those poxy horns. Some posters did speak about football but why not delete those posts and leave the thread open? It was a giggle.

My name is URL

I don't see why it would be any different or more difficult to mod than any other thread tbh. The lack of a WC forum has very little to do with it as far as I can tell. It's just another topic which those who post in AH want to discuss. There could be a seperate forum for the discussion on it but what would the charter read? "This forum is for talking about the WC in an AH sort of way"! Would it not be easier to just allow it as a once off in AH?.. otherwise it would be just another Soccer forum

The rule against it is like the old rule against eating meat on a Friday.. unheard of but ultimately of little consequence