vuvuzela driving me nuts watching the world cup

brettzy

I'm not a big soccer fan but I do enjoy the world cup. But that feckin' constant B flat (I think) is wrecking my head from those vuvuzelas horns the South African's love to toot. The matches lack excitement when you can barely hear the "oooouuuuuhh's" and the "go on ya good thing" that go with a good match.

Rant over

jtsuited

yeah it is a b flat (around there).

absolutely driving me nuts. this is turning into an international incident.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

they should pre record the bastards loop it and feed it in as a flip phase mix to cancel it as much as possible

brettzy

I even recorded a section of last nights match into cubase to try filter it out but as expected it kills much of the crowd sound. Sonnox supressor did the best overall job but without the individual tracks the commentators is effected too.

I wonder have RTE or BBC tried?

A V A

im going nuts its driving me mad im snappping

MilanPan!c

Originally I just thought it was the sound if Greece sucking.

Cause they sucked out loud.

I guess I have to support The US in this mess, but I wish I had a better option.

A V A

could fifa not ban them???

brettzy

A V A wrote: »

could fifa not ban them???

They could but that would be a big insult to the South Africans, it would be like banning green hats in Ireland

MilanPan!c

brettzy wrote: »

They could but that would be a big insult to the South Africans, it would be like banning green hats in Ireland

Ha!

MilanPan!c

Ummm wow!

ICN

I think they sound great.

Really ****ing unnerving - Like being stuck in a beehive for 93mins.

Not often you get to hear that - without being stung! :pac:

MilanPan!c

ICN wrote: »

I think they sound great.

Really ****ing unnerving - Like being stuck in a beehive for 93mins.

Not often you get to hear that - without being stung! :pac:

Someone should sell some C#s... then the place would really sound scary!

Or Es!

brettzy

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Someone should sell some C#s... then the place would really sound scary!

Or Es!

empirix

i like em - especially tonight drowning out rule britannia!!

JonathanAnon

So how about we try and solve this problem guys... If you record an audio excerpt from a section of the match (when there is nobody talking), save as MP3, can you not subtract it from the future audio signal? Wont be perfect, but it's a fairly consistent sound?

I tried cutting the 1K on the EQ and it helps a bit but you do lose some a significant amount of the other sounds..

brettzy

Here's what I think, we set up some hugh tv's in Croke park, hire a bunch of lads, one group supporting team A, the other team B. A few pints of Guinness to get them all rowdy then re-broadcast the original picture and new crowd sounds from here. Problem solved! We'll make a fortune selling to the networks!!!

Who says the Irish are out of the worldcup

MilanPan!c

JonathanAnon wrote: »

So how about we try and solve this problem guys... If you record an audio excerpt from a section of the match (when there is nobody talking), save as MP3, can you not subtract it from the future audio signal? Wont be perfect, but it's a fairly consistent sound?

I tried cutting the 1K on the EQ and it helps a bit but you do lose some a significant amount of the other sounds..

Could always just turn down the TV and up the radio?

kfoltman

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Someone should sell some C#s... then the place would really sound scary!

Or Es!

Or a B, but in the next octave. A minor ninth sounds more dissonant than a tritone to me

I guess a bunch of notch filters tuned to the fundamental and harmonics of Bb wouldn't help here.

MilanPan!c

kfoltman wrote: »

Or a B, but in the next octave. A minor ninth sounds more dissonant than a tritone to me

I guess a bunch of notch filters tuned to the fundamental and harmonics of Bb wouldn't help here.

Why not randomlly select a tone. Across 4 octaves.

That'd def be awesome!

Anima

I remember in college in digital signal processing we made an adaptive filter for a lab. Its used to reduce/remove a specific noise in a signal. Like described below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_filter wrote:

Suppose a hospital is recording a heart beat (an ECG), which is being corrupted by a 50 Hz noise (the frequency coming from the power supply in many countries).
One way to remove the noise is to filter the signal with a notch filter at 50 Hz. However, due to slight variations in the power supply to the hospital, the exact frequency of the power supply might (hypothetically) wander between 47 Hz and 53 Hz. A static filter would need to remove all the frequencies between 47 and 53 Hz, which could excessively degrade the quality of the ECG since the heart beat would also likely have frequency components in the rejected range.
To circumvent this potential loss of information, an adaptive filter could be used. The adaptive filter would take input both from the patient and from the power supply directly and would thus be able to track the actual frequency of the noise as it fluctuates. Such an adaptive technique generally allows for a filter with a smaller rejection range, which means, in our case, that the quality of the output signal is more accurate for medical diagnoses.

Realistically, I'd say theres too much noise going on to filter it effectively.

JonathanAnon

On a positive note for the vuvuzela, it's the easiest instrument to play scales on....

scale in key of C......... Bb
scale in key of C#......... Bb
scale in key of D......... Bb
scale in key of D#......... Bb
scale in key of E .......... Bb
etc etc.

Johnnyq79

Totally ruining the whole thing!

eoin5

kfoltman wrote: »

Or a B, but in the next octave. A minor ninth sounds more dissonant than a tritone to me

I guess a bunch of notch filters tuned to the fundamental and harmonics of Bb wouldn't help here.

Minor ninth? Itd be a flattened ninth no? Anyways an A or B in the same octave for ultimate dissonance is what we need

amadain

The "Noise" reduction on BBC is much better than on RTE !!!

Perhaps RTE will react when they lose viewers/advertisers to BBC !

dav nagle

I dunno I read on sky news.com about how much they were distracting the players. One Man United player said that the team cant sleep at night as people start blowing these things from 6:30 am. I have to say I get a certain amount of pleasure knowing that the noise is upsetting the players and fans, I like to see hurt and suffering on a large scale when its harmless.

Speak Now

amadain wrote: »

The "Noise" reduction on BBC is much better than on RTE !!!

Perhaps RTE will react when they lose viewers/advertisers to BBC !

BBC don't do Adverts :rolleyes:

JonathanAnon

amadain wrote: »

The "Noise" reduction on BBC is much better than on RTE !!! Perhaps RTE will react when they lose viewers/advertisers to BBC !

I think that the BBC just turn down the overall sound of the outside microphone, so I dont think it's that clever really. It is better than RTE though, who simply have the outside microphone too loud, considering the audio is about 90% vuvuzela. Find it amazing that they cant change the frequency response of the mics or by using EQ, or SOMETHING, to make it less annoying..

MilanPan!c

dav nagle wrote: »

I like to see hurt and suffering on a large scale when its harmless.

Post of the day on Boards?

How do I nominate this? Absolute classic!

Just don't let the people that were slagging you off for working with wouldbe pop stars see this; it'll confirm their greatest fears.

A V A

i just noticed when you look at the crowd you barely see anybody blowing them !!!!! i find my self looking at the crowd and i cant see any of them playing them !! few mates are saying they heard that it was being played throught the pa or something!i dont know how people can blow them constantly . . do they blow while watching the match do they just go to annoy people . . .im really getting annoyed now and i cant ignore them no matter how hard i try !!!

gar120

A V A wrote: »

could fifa not ban them???

unless some supporters actually throw them at the players they wont be banned.

anyway this could be arranged??

JonathanAnon

A V A wrote: »

e . . .im really getting annoyed now and i cant ignore them no matter how hard i try !!!

yeah awful at times in the Holland/Denmark match particularly when it is at either end (i.e. for corners/ kick outs etc etc).. I've put the output through my PA and cutting the 1K helps.

ah ffs, house alarm going off next door now... give me a fkn chance...

A V A

gar120 wrote: »

unless some supporters actually throw them at the players they wont be banned.

anyway this could be arranged??

let do it :D

kfoltman

eoin5 wrote: »

Minor ninth? Itd be a flattened ninth no? Anyways an A or B in the same octave for ultimate dissonance is what we need

I think that if you were talking about it in context of a chord name, it would be a flatted ninth (as in, it'd be flatted comparing to the 9th in the unaltered chord). However, the name of the resulting interval is still a minor ninth (a minor second + a perfect octave). Or augmented octave. Or something.

As for minor 2nd vs minor 9th, let your ears decide - at this level of dissonance it might be fairly subjective

If that's not enough, you can always skip the whole chromatic scale thing altogether and go for quarter-tones or some obscure ethnic stuff. Just get good earplugs first.

A V A

is anybody watching itv?????????? the two comintaters are talking with a view of the stadium behind them !!!!! but there is no fans there and the place is empty and those vuvuzelas are still going made and its real laod in the stadium !!!!!!!!!

WTF ARE THEY DOING THAT FFS IM REALLY GETTNG ANNOYED NOW

MilanPan!c

kfoltman wrote: »

I think that if you were talking about it in context of a chord name, it would be a flatted ninth (as in, it'd be flatted comparing to the 9th in the unaltered chord). However, the name of the resulting interval is still a minor ninth (a minor second + a perfect octave). Or augmented octave. Or something.

As for minor 2nd vs minor 9th, let your ears decide - at this level of dissonance it might be fairly subjective

If that's not enough, you can always skip the whole chromatic scale thing altogether and go for quarter-tones or some obscure ethnic stuff. Just get good earplugs first.

Bring in John Cage as a consultant.

fitz

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Bring in John Cage as a consultant.

You can't be serious serialist?! :eek:









































































I'll get my coat....

MilanPan!c

fitz wrote: »

You can't be serious serialist?! :eek:





I'll get my coat....

hahahahaha

eoin5

kfoltman wrote: »

I think that if you were talking about it in context of a chord name, it would be a flatted ninth (as in, it'd be flatted comparing to the 9th in the unaltered chord). However, the name of the resulting interval is still a minor ninth (a minor second + a perfect octave). Or augmented octave. Or something.

As for minor 2nd vs minor 9th, let your ears decide - at this level of dissonance it might be fairly subjective

A minor second from a b flat is a c though, as is a major one? Apologies for the level of analness

Edit: Ah, with a little research youre dead right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_ninth apologies also for ignorance of musical terms

mattman

anyone know of program to do LIVE EQ of sound..ie

take the sound from the sound source(ie the match!)..pipe it thru my laptop..EQ it..ie get rid of stupid buzzing..

and output it in real time to my sound system..

??

Its in the independent news paper today (tue)...audicity, he says can do it, but it cant as far as I know...


m.

eoin5

mattman wrote: »

anyone know of program to do LIVE EQ of sound..ie

take the sound from the sound source(ie the match!)..pipe it thru my laptop..EQ it..ie get rid of stupid buzzing..

and output it in real time to my sound system..

??

Its in the independent news paper today (tue)...audicity, he says can do it, but it cant as far as I know...


m.

I dont think audacity does realtime stuff. Youll probably have latency issues too if youre using a built in soundcard.

MilanPan!c

eoin5 wrote: »

I dont think audacity does realtime stuff. Youll probably have latency issues too if youre using a built in soundcard.

One stereo track should be fine... If there's latency it's gonna be in ms.

What about melodyne? You could prolly COMPLETELY(ish) remove it with that.. . But not in real time.

JonathanAnon

There was a bit more of a mariachi band / Mexican feel to the music tonight at the Brazil game tonight... maybe we could subtract this from the live audio feed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bzs37LAKY

tracy wacy x

brettzy wrote: »

I'm not a big soccer fan but I do enjoy the world cup. But that feckin' constant B flat (I think) is wrecking my head from those vuvuzelas horns the South African's love to toot. The matches lack excitement when you can barely hear the "oooouuuuuhh's" and the "go on ya good thing" that go with a good match.

Rant over

i'm with you on that one

woodsdenis

http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=5798

http://www.sonicworx.com/sonicWORX/VuvuX.html

Here is the answer guys, and no they are not joking:eek:

The_B_Man

Theres some basic info here:
How to turn off the vuvuzela noise

It says you need to remove frequencies 233, 466, 932 and 1864Hz on the fly.

I'm guessing theres no free Windows apps to do this?

I have a USB DVB-T dongle and VMWARE so might try run it through Ubuntu, coz I think I saw some Open Source software somewhere for Ubuntu that can do it in real-time.

MilanPan!c

woodsdenis wrote: »

http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=5798

http://www.sonicworx.com/sonicWORX/VuvuX.html

Here is the answer guys, and no they are not joking:eek:

How could you not post the picture?

seannash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcw2tMg-H-o


someone done it with ableton.

works pretty well too

dasdog

Seeing as it's the 1/4 finals:



In years ahead highlight's shows will have the drone in the background but when they get a pulse going it's good. Shame the African drums have been drowned out but when you hear the net rustle just as the opposition have scored in Lansdowne Rd/Croke Park it's a gut wrenching sound.

JonathanAnon

dasdog wrote: »

In years ahead highlight's shows will have the drone in the background but when they get a pulse going it's good. Shame the African drums have been drowned out but when you hear the net rustle just as the opposition have scored in Lansdowne Rd/Croke Park it's a gut wrenching sound.

LMAO ... very good, well done dasgod..

rcaz

If you could modulate the volume with an LFO, it'd almost be like listening to Steve Reich...

I really don't find them that annoying. People are making wayy too big a deal of it.

brettzy

dasdog wrote: »

Seeing as it's the 1/4 finals:



In years ahead highlight's shows will have the drone in the background but when they get a pulse going it's good. Shame the African drums have been drowned out but when you hear the net rustle just as the opposition have scored in Lansdowne Rd/Croke Park it's a gut wrenching sound.

Brilliant