Evo XI to be a diesel!

Atomic Pineapple

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/250385/

Mitsubishi is planning a radical overhaul of its Lancer Evolution by changing the next incarnation into a diesel hybrid. The switch of drivetrain is designed to save the Evo from tightening economy and emissions regs while preserving its trademark mid-range shove.

Mitsubishi is said to have given serious consideration to axing the Evo model altogether. As recently as a month ago, sources in Japan said an earlier project — to switch the car to a petrol hybrid powertrain and base it on the PX-MiEV SUV concept’s platform — was dead.

But now the firm’s R&D department has been given approval to push the car in a different direction: a diesel hybrid.

Engineers hope that the mix of clean-diesel torque and electric motor assistance will allow the Evo XI to deliver a 0-62mph time of under five seconds, yet cut CO2 emissions to well under 200g/km.

Handling will be entrusted to a revised version of the Evo’s highly rated four-wheel drive system, S-AWC, which integrates steering, braking and traction control.

The switch marks a big gamble for Mitsubishi. Diesel hybrid will, in effect, rule the Evo out of competition use and could limit its appeal in key markets such as the US and Japan, where diesels have yet to gain widespread acceptance.

The beginning of the end of fun cars......?

KamiKazi

Will it be known as the Evo Xi?

Atomic Pineapple

KamiKazi wrote: »

Will it be known as the Evo Xi?

There'll be a Xi and Xi version.

The Xi version being quicker than space shuttles.

SV

well that's it so.
fúcksake.



Diesels are crap.

Atomic Pineapple

SV wrote: »

well that's it so.
fúcksake.



Diesels are crap.

Time to start saving for a X I think

CharlieCroker

Hold on, i don't think this is the end of the world. Fair enough, its not gonna be a screamer with the valves bouncing on the bonnet but look at it this way:

The current standard lancer is nothing more than a white good, A-B car, for people who just want something reliable, well equipped and frugal. The same as nearly every lancer that went before it. Mitsubishi have managed without fail with every edition to turn the Evo into a road eating 4wd 4 door supercar. If anyone has the engineering skill to make a diesel version, it'll be them. I reckon it could be a great car.

SV

CharlieCroker wrote: »

Hold on, i don't think this is the end of the world. Fair enough, its not gonna be a screamer with the valves bouncing on the bonnet but look at it this way:

The current standard lancer is nothing more than a white good, A-B car, for people who just want something reliable, well equipped and frugal. The same as nearly every lancer that went before it. Mitsubishi have managed without fail with every edition to turn the Evo into a road eating 4wd 4 door supercar. If anyone has the engineering skill to make a diesel version, it'll be them. I reckon it could be a great car.

yet it's still going to sound like a bloody tractor.
50% of the fun of these cars is the noise.

Eric Cartman

SV wrote: »

yet it's still going to sound like a bloody tractor.
50% of the fun of these cars is the noise.

go listen to a toureg v10 TDi or a landcruiser amazon V8 Diesel and tell me they dont sound nice

GTE

Eric Cartman wrote: »

go listen to a toureg v10 TDi or a landcruiser amazon V8 Diesel and tell me they dont sound nice

I agree. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwmKLsUndTA

SV, if you are really trying to beat diesel down with that stereotype have a listen to the Audi R10 Le Mans car. Its been a long time since the good diesel engines have sounded like the country side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGGWY_CwO0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3c3AXVzUR0

Im sure the Peugeots are as nice.

MidlandsM

Here was go,the usual shyte you hear from the "petrol head" crew - that Diesels are muck, diesels are noisy, blah blah blah.......

Gumbo

KamiKazi wrote: »

Will it be known as the Evo Xi?

i think it will be the Mitubishi Lancer Evolution MR FQ 300 XId

MidlandsM wrote: »

Here was go,the usual shyte you hear from the "petrol head" crew - that Diesels are muck, diesels are noisy, blah blah blah.......

Atomic Pineapple

MidlandsM wrote: »

Here was go,the usual shyte you hear from the "petrol head" crew - that Diesels are muck, diesels are noisy, blah blah blah.......

And yet you provide no evidence that they aren't

phill106

draffodx wrote: »

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/250385/



The beginning of the end of fun cars......?

Nope, They will just remap it for even more power

Atomic Pineapple

phill106 wrote: »

Nope, They will just remap it for even more power

Remapping a Turbo petrol would give even bigger gains than remapping a turbo diesel

L-M

I can see farmers being to the mart and back in no time

Diesel loses. I've never had one and I don't plan to any time soon.

SV

Eric Cartman wrote: »

go listen to a toureg v10 TDi or a landcruiser amazon V8 Diesel and tell me they dont sound nice

They don't sound nice.. Diesels never have! Never will either. Low rev limit, tractor sounding bollocks.

L-M

Being a complete hypocrit here, the 3.6 TDV8 in the Range Rover sounds epic, and in the words of Jeremey Clarkson "better than the 5.0 Supercharged...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXf5UUnLzwQ

vectra

Well if Mitsi are as good as you lot say they are then they cant be wrong in deciding that Diesel is the better engine and the way to go
Theres proof for ya.:D

unkel

draffodx wrote: »

The beginning of the end of fun cars......?

The end was already there. Anything half-powerful petrol, even with very small 2 litre engines, from Japan was so dirty it attracted the €2,100 annual road tax since 2008. That was the end, nobody bought any one of them any more.

So what do you do as a Japanese car manufacturer when nobody is buying your cars? You copy the Europeans and re-invent the semi-performance car. A diesel this time

Subaru is doing fine sales wise with their boxer diesel, Honda is doing ok, but none of them have delivered on any semi-performance cars.

And when they finally deliver, the Europeans probably have overcome the CO2 gap in performance between diesels and petrols. Porsche direct injection petrol engines have an unbelievably low CO2 output compared to engine size.

I suppose the invent - cheap copy cycle benefits us all

Mr Benevolent

Limerick man wrote: »

Diesel loses. I've never had one and I don't plan to any time soon.

But you're from the country!

I don't see a problem with a high-perf diesel hybrid. The hybrid power train will add a lot of torque (the electric motor will act as another turbo). Also, depending on the drivetrain layout the hybrid system will allow finer control over each wheel.

Mitsubishi design performance cars for a hobby. They know what they're doing.

CharlieCroker

The only semi-performance diesels i can think of are VAG - LEON, Octavia, Golf GTD etc.
Not road rippers but enough torque to keep ya entertained and easily chipped. Also with tax of €156 and 50mpg, its hard to overlook them.

If Mitsubishi can bring it to the next level with power up about 300bhp then they'll be onto a winner.

Max_Damage

SV wrote: »

yet it's still going to sound like a bloody tractor.
50% of the fun of these cars is the noise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a67GQE8RefM

L-M

Confab wrote: »

But you're from the country!

LOL I wish I was, I'd have an excuse then

SV

Max_Damage wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a67GQE8RefM

I don't get what you're trying to do here?
Make me sick?

Oh well at least I know some car manufacturers haven't gone competely crazy, should be dead by the time all the fun cars are gone.

Absurdum

will it have a towbar as standard?

Big Nasty

I don't care how good it is - it's still diesel! Never had an Evo and never will, never had a diesel and please God the Green cnuts wont force me to ever have one either. I don't care how good or how much torque a 530d has for that matter either - I still don't want one!

Petrol for me all the way please! Diesel is fuel of The Devil!

bigbadbear

Limerick man wrote: »

Being a complete hypocrit here, the 3.6 TDV8 in the Range Rover sounds epic, and in the words of Jeremey Clarkson "better than the 5.0 Supercharged...

Never listen to what Jeremy Clarkson has to say about cars.:pac: He talks absolute rubbish. Top gear is just for entertainment. You wont get proper reviews and opinions though.

I still reckon the XI could be great. The powerful diesels sort of sound like muscle cars IMO.

stealthyspeeder

Eric Cartman wrote: »

go listen to a toureg v10 TDi or a landcruiser amazon V8 Diesel and tell me they dont sound nice

Not as nice as their petrol cousins!

Matt Simis

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Not as nice as their petrol cousins!

Yeah, but good enough not to have a hissy fit about the noise. Ah need I remind you lot that dont like the noise of these performance diesels, the silent hum of EV cars is our possible future, you will be crying for even the diesel whoosh soon enough.


I think we should wait and see what the new Evo is like, they know they will meet this type of kneejerk stereotyping, so they will have to do it well.

Absurdum

to be honest, I'd take that Autocar story with a pinch of salt, they tend to overhype these things. My guess is there will be a diesel/hybrid offered alongside the usual petrol versions.

Tefral

I said this to the lads the other day.

Came out of work the other day and across the road was this beautiful new scooby, white, with a pearl paint, gold wheels, looked the job. Then as i crossed the road, the owner started the car... it was a diesel. The car became ugly..

You know what i equate that to, going up to the most beautiful bird in a nightclub and then realising she has a laugh like Janice from friends... no matter how much you want to, your not gonna be able to bring her home cuz she sounds like ****é

Mr Benevolent

Heh, all the posters second-guessing Mitsubishi. More people will buy this car then any other Evo, simply because the tax will be much lower. The fuel and servicing costs will be appreciably lower too. Mitsi knows what it's doing.

SV

Confab wrote: »

Heh, all the posters second-guessing Mitsubishi. More people will buy this car then any other Evo, simply because the tax will be much lower. The fuel and servicing costs will be appreciably lower too. Mitsi knows what it's doing.

oh they know what they're doing to make money alright
they don't know what they're doing to keep their 'evo' brand fun.

watch now..another 10 years and the evo will be nothing more than a 'quick diesel' like a 535d or similar.


it's a load of shíte.
have to laugh at the videos people are putting up to suggest diesels sound good now? jesus..even the Audi le mans one sounds shít compared to the petrols.

Mr Benevolent

Just as well E92 isn't around, this thread would make his year :rolleyes:

Matt Simis

SV wrote: »

have to laugh at the videos people are putting up to suggest diesels sound good now? jesus..even the Audi le mans one sounds shít compared to the petrols.

In your opinion... And again, stop comparing them to petrols, thats not on the cards, live with it.
I hate to see the critique of an engine technology revolve entirely around ones perception of noise. Its just so shallow.

Eric Cartman

SV wrote: »

well that's it so.
fúcksake.



Diesels are crap.

for a man with such strong views on trying to break the stereotype that renaults are unreliable heaps, your very quick to get into the stereotype wagon against diesels mate

stealthyspeeder

Matt Simis wrote: »

In your opinion... And again, stop comparing them to petrols, thats not on the cards, live with it.
I hate to see the critique of an engine technology revolve entirely around ones perception of noise. Its just so shallow.

Its not all about the noise, the most fun you have during acceleration is when the engine is screaming and your at the top of the gear. This sensation is fantastic and puts the boost of a diesel with its fun over at 5k revs to shame.

SV

Matt Simis wrote: »

In your opinion... And again, stop comparing them to petrols, thats not on the cards, live with it.
I hate to see the critique of an engine technology revolve entirely around ones perception of noise. Its just so shallow.

not just the noise.
how the power is delivered too, the low rev limit crap.
I hate everything about a diesel engine.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

for a man with such strong views on trying to break the stereotype that renaults are unreliable heaps, your very quick to get into the stereotype wagon against diesels mate

lol, I couldn't give a shíte what ya think about renaults, I'm giving my reasons why I hate diesels..it's no bandwagon, I've hated them since I started having an interest in cars.

Matt Simis

stealthyspeeder wrote: »

Its not all about the noise, the most fun you have during acceleration is when the engine is screaming and your at the top of the gear. This sensation is fantastic and puts the boost of a diesel with its fun over at 5k revs to shame.

Ive had both diesel and petrol cars, and as of yesterday I do again.
Of course diesels rev lower numerically, but I frequently see a lot of posting making reference to specific figures, if the Rev counter had no numbers, would you care as much?

There are very few attempts at performance diesels compared to 90years of performance petrols. If every petrol was a 1.1l Punto and every Diesel was 3.0 Turbo'd V6 for the last eon, then Petrol engines would have the negative stereotype and "no torque, no acceleration, no power until you pass 4/5ths of its rev range" etc would be synonymous with petrol engines.

We simply dont know how good diesel engines can be performance wise, its just not there yet.

Eric Cartman

Matt Simis wrote: »

We simply dont know how good diesel engines can be performance wise, its just not there yet.

and thats where mitsubishi step in......

Matt Simis

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and thats where mitsubishi step in......

Exactly, them and the rest.

SV

Matt Simis wrote: »

We simply dont know how good diesel engines can be performance wise, its just not there yet.

unless they can change the whole "POWER! nothing...... change gear, POWER!..nothing.. change gear.."
it's so..so boring, regardless of how fast you're going.

diesels are GREAT if you're after a motorway cruiser or something economical with the option of having power..they're absolutely beyond shíte when it comes to 'fun'

Matt Simis

SV wrote: »

unless they can change the whole "POWER! nothing...... change gear, POWER!..nothing.. change gear.."
it's so..so boring, regardless of how fast you're going.

An Automatic gearbox then?

Funny in the Auto vs Manual threads the case is made for this being the ultimate in fun and opposite of boring.

SV

Matt Simis wrote: »

An Automatic gearbox then?

Funny in the Auto vs Manual threads the case is made for this being the ultimate in fun and opposite of boring.

Not really, It'd be the same thing you just wouldn't get to change gear yourself, it's the fact you're only getting a slight little boost in each gear that's the frustrating part.

Mr Benevolent

and as of yesterday I do again.

So what's your newest acquisition Matt?

shogunpower

if you had a run in a remapped 335d i do believe your dislike of diesel's would change, and with a miltek exhaust they do sound nice to any car enthusiast.

350bhp
750nm
0-60 5.0secs

how can you say that aint fun?

shogunpower

SV wrote: »

Not really, It'd be the same thing you just wouldn't get to change gear yourself, it's the fact you're only getting a slight little boost in each gear that's the frustrating part.

new diesals with twin turbo set up's have boost in all gears right up to the 5k 28psi to be percise unlike most big twin turbo'd 3.0 petrols such as a stock supra

Mr Benevolent

shogunpower wrote: »

if you had a run in a remapped 335d i do believe your dislike of diesel's would change, and with a miltek exhaust they do sound nice to any car enthusiast.

350bhp
750nm
0-60 5.0secs

how can you say that aint fun?

'Because it sounds like a diesel'

Seriously, some are just biased against diesel engines because of their upbringing or the old diesels or something. There's no arguing with them.

kona

As much as It hurts to say, diesel > Petrol . Torque is what you want around town IMO not BHP. Pain in the arse waiting for a petrol engine to get to its powerband, diesel supplies this straight away. Added to the fact they are cheaper to run and kick out less co is a win. Pity bout the carcenogenic bits in the emmissions.

Matt Simis

Confab wrote: »

So what's your newest acquisition Matt?

My daily driver will be a 2001 Alfa (yes Im a sucker for punishment) 156 Sportswagon, 2.4JTD 5 cylinder, remapped.

My one has a few teething problems, but Im led to believe they have a very un-diesel like power band and the exhaust note is pretty cool IMO (and no SV Im not saying it sounds "like a petrol").
Not mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZBi5AtR0mo

Big Nasty

Matt Simis wrote: »

An Automatic gearbox then?

Funny in the Auto vs Manual threads the case is made for this being the ultimate in fun and opposite of boring.

Says you with your manual 850!