Higher Level History

yaknowamsayin

Is anyone else disgusted at the lack of sample essays and notes on the internet on leaving cert history? And that revision books tend to go missing a few days before an exam when you really really need them? Mine is gone without a trace:mad: The course is long enough as it is

Mwah

yeah and so far i only have my usa book learned of!!!
i just need to read over the essays i have for the others but i have to study maths business and biology along with all them

lovelabel

Mwah wrote: »

yeah and so far i only have my usa book learned of!!!
i just need to read over the essays i have for the others but i have to study maths business and biology along with all them

same here! and i have french the same day as history! soooo much study

brianw1

what essays are you guys going to learn for the european and irish section

everybody in my class is screwed for this exam:(

yaknowamsayin

brianw1 wrote: »

what essays are you guys going to learn for the european and irish section

everybody in my class is screwed for this exam:(

For european I'm basically depending on Communism because the history guy on the radio said ''russia is too important to be ignored''. For the Irish section I'm just learning off the GAA and Cultural Nationalism, and Butt and Parnell and the Land War

Xevkin

brianw1 wrote: »

what essays are you guys going to learn for the european and irish section

everybody in my class is screwed for this exam:(

I'm doing everything up to after the National Coalition 1973-78 in the Irish section. If Haughey or EEC comues up I'm up s**t creek.

Move to Unity in Europe - Cold War up to Hungary Uprising, EEC, Western Economies up to Oil Crisis, Religion and Vatican Council........think that's enough?

For Dictatorship/Democracy, at least one question on Antisemitism/Holocaust, Church state relations, Hitler's foreign policy or Anglo/American culture - none of them have been asked. Got Hitler,Mussolini,Russia,Britain covered.

History is almost as bad as Poetry with the guessing element

brianw1

havnt done the same irish section as ye bahs but yeah, anglo american pop culture and anti semetism were the ones drilled into us

if they dont come up...

good lord

cailin_donn

what I'm disgusted with is the lack of time in a history exam... recommended 40 mins to choose, plan and write a 5-6 page essay!!! its absaloutely crazy!! its supposed to be a test of knowledge and half the knowledge doesnt make it to the paper because of lack of time!! it wouldnt kill them to add 30 mins to the exam, it really is ridiculous. it puts students under so much pressure!

yaknowamsayin

cailin_donn wrote: »

what I'm disgusted with is the lack of time in a history exam... recommended 40 mins to choose, plan and write a 5-6 page essay!!! its absaloutely crazy!! its supposed to be a test of knowledge and half the knowledge doesnt make it to the paper because of lack of time!! it wouldnt kill them to add 30 mins to the exam, it really is ridiculous. it puts students under so much pressure!

Its not meant to be 5 or 6 pages, 4 pages is enough. About 900 words in total like:P

cailin_donn

What???? :eek:

Our teacher had us doing 9 and 12 page ones, then she was like "Oh, try to aim for 5/6 pages"... and if we don't do that amount she doesnt give us high content marks, and shes an advising examiner! (My writing isnt huge either, just normal size)

Xevkin

:O:O:O you're kidding me :O
I manage 3 pages max for an essay - intro/conclusion and 4 paragraphs in between. I physically can't write more in that time..............Am I screwed? I've been averaging 85/92 in my essays through the year, teacher says she marks hard, got 74 in mocks, highest in the class-we were told the teacher who corrected it was asked to mark very hard............but 5/6/9/12 pages...........!?

yaknowamsayin

cailin_donn wrote: »

What???? :eek:

Our teacher had us doing 9 and 12 page ones, then she was like "Oh, try to aim for 5/6 pages"... and if we don't do that amount she doesnt give us high content marks, and shes an advising examiner! (My writing isnt huge either, just normal size)

Are ye well. Seriously that's way too much. If you try do that you'll just end up waffling and losing your focus. In the mocks I got 74 and I only wrote about two pages for each essay. That is one A4 back to back. The best one was 80/100 and that was only 3 and a half pages. The project should bump up the grade though and so will the document

dodgystuff

I'm doing Hungarian Uprising, EEC and Vatican II and a read over fall of communism from division and realignment and praying at least one case study will come up there!

Dictorship/Democracy - anti semitism, alot of russia, characteristics of fascist regimes/dictatorships, mussolini and possibly church state relations even though i dislike it

Irish - just doing Cumman na nGaedhael and Fianna Fail I think. Something has to come up on one of them.

Praying to god it's either Sunningdale or Coleraine for the document

I dislike history I find it interesting but it's way too wide!

EuropeanSon

3 pages is enough. Just don't waffle, stick to the facts, and structure paragraphs correctly. Opening, 4 long paragraphs and conclusion is the way to go.

Xevkin

9/12 pages scared the beejesus out of me :L

TOOO much free time

brianw1

....4 paragraphs?

Wev been told 100 times to do 8 as its marked per paragraph..what the hell:o

EuropeanSon

brianw1 wrote: »

....4 paragraphs?

Wev been told 100 times to do 8 as its marked per paragraph..what the hell:o

12 marks for Intro/Conclusion (6 each)
12 marks per paragraph for your best 4 paragraphs.
40 marks overall evaluation.

Rothmans

cailin_donn wrote: »

what I'm disgusted with is the lack of time in a history exam... recommended 40 mins to choose, plan and write a 5-6 page essay!!! its absaloutely crazy!! its supposed to be a test of knowledge and half the knowledge doesnt make it to the paper because of lack of time!! it wouldnt kill them to add 30 mins to the exam, it really is ridiculous. it puts students under so much pressure!

Don't worry,5-6 pages isn't necesarry and would be damn near impossible to do within 40 mins. I got an A2 in HL History last year and all my essays were between 3-4 pages.

yaknowamsayin wrote: »

Its not meant to be 5 or 6 pages, 4 pages is enough. About 900 words in total like:P

+1

cailin_donn wrote: »

What???? :eek:

Our teacher had us doing 9 and 12 page ones, then she was like "Oh, try to aim for 5/6 pages"... and if we don't do that amount she doesnt give us high content marks, and shes an advising examiner! (My writing isnt huge either, just normal size)

It's about quality, not quantity. As long as you express you're points in a concise and coherent manner you'll get the marks. Don't get caught up on certain paragraphs which you might feel you need to wright more info on. Remember, the max you can get is 12 marks per paragraph.

brianw1 wrote: »

....4 paragraphs?

Wev been told 100 times to do 8 as its marked per paragraph..what the hell:o

We were told this too, and I believe it is the correct approach as it allows you to express all the /most of the relevent info in the short period of time which you are allotted.

EuropeanSon wrote: »

12 marks for Intro/Conclusion (6 each)
12 marks per paragraph for your best 4 paragraphs.
40 marks overall evaluation.

I viewed my script last year and it was not marked as such. I recieved all the marks that I was rewarded. I certaintly wasn't docked marks for writing too many paragraphs

EuropeanSon

Rothmans wrote: »

Don't worry,5-6 pages isn't necesarry and would be damn near impossible to do within 40 mins. I got an A2 in HL History last year and all my essays were between 3-4 pages.



+1



It's about quality, not quantity. As long as you express you're points in a concise and coherent manner you'll get the marks. Don't get caught up on certain paragraphs which you might feel you need to wright more info on. Remember, the max you can get is 12 marks per paragraph.

We were told this too, and I believe it is the correct approach as it allows you to express all the /most of the relevent info in the short period of time which you are allotted.




I viewed my script last year and it was not marked as such. I recieved all the marks that I was rewarded. I certaintly wasn't docked marks for writing too many paragraphs

That's just what we were told. Perhaps if you write more paragraphs they give less per paragraph?

dodgystuff

EuropeanSon wrote: »

12 marks for Intro/Conclusion (6 each)
12 marks per paragraph for your best 4 paragraphs.
40 marks overall evaluation.

Not necessarily 12 for intro/conclusion. In a couple of my essays I got about 6 for my intro and 9/10's for my conclusions

It is 12 marks per paragraph after that but not your best 4. You might write 6 paragraphs, let's say 3 are shorter and you get 7-9 for them and the other 3 are longer and you get more.

Sometimes its a good idea to split a point in 2 if it has a couple of parts. Like if you analyse one bit of info, try and get another paragraph with good analysis out of it even if it's small cause you could end up getting more. For example you might get 8 for the whole paragraph as one but you might get a 6 and a 4 if you split it.

Overall evaluation is 40 then.

Fete

Xevkin wrote: »

:O:O:O you're kidding me :O
I manage 3 pages max for an essay - intro/conclusion and 4 paragraphs in between. I physically can't write more in that time..............Am I screwed?

No you're not. I write between 2.5 and 3 pages and I got an A1 in the mocks. I know my teacher didn't mark it easy either. It's about quality not quantity. As long as you have a lot of relevant points of information in each paragraph, you should be fine.

MavisDavis

There is no set amount of paragraphs to be written for each essay in History. They will continue awarding you marks for every paragraph you write. A maximum of sixty marks are awarded for content, but, in fact, you can end up amassing more than sixty for what you have written. You won't be given any of these "extra" content marks, but it means your overall mark, which is out of forty, will tend to be higher.

kfpt

12 marks a paragraph

have about 6 good paragraphs bout 2 1/2 pages

they'll mark your best 5 that = 60

then 40 for overall evaluation

just have 1 good and relevant point per paragrah develope it and your sorted!:cool:

and a good intro + conclusion

Keogg

Yeah 3-4 pages is all I'd need and manage,
Our history teacher is brilliant, and he says aim for six paragraphs. Four really isn't enough - unless you get really lucky but it's very unlikely you'll get 12 marks for every paragraph
4 x 12 = 48
6 x 9 = 54
see the difference?

hokeypokey

54 is under the sixty you need, you need to get around 65 or more...

cleirigh06

I cant wait for this exam. I know my history and I am an extremely fast writer. I wrote 29 pages (not big writing) on my English Paper Two and I am confident I will be able to do it here. I timed myself as in exam situations and I can write a 6 page answer in 30 minutes. I am sorted for this exam! A1 here I come!!

EuropeanSon

Keogg wrote: »

Yeah 3-4 pages is all I'd need and manage,
Our history teacher is brilliant, and he says aim for six paragraphs. Four really isn't enough - unless you get really lucky but it's very unlikely you'll get 12 marks for every paragraph
4 x 12 = 48
6 x 9 = 54
see the difference?

You forgot intro/conclusion is 12 marks too. That gives max marks.

MacSuibhne13

I'm looking forward to da history now! Was da only ting dat i got an A in in da Junior Cert!

kfpt

cleirigh06 wrote: »

I cant wait for this exam. I know my history and I am an extremely fast writer. I wrote 29 pages (not big writing) on my English Paper Two and I am confident I will be able to do it here. I timed myself as in exam situations and I can write a 6 page answer in 30 minutes. I am sorted for this exam! A1 here I come!!

there are goin to be people who write less than half the amount that you and will and still get the same marks ...

you can only write so much on a topic without goin off the point or rambling on ....

Keogg

EuropeanSon wrote: »

You forgot intro/conclusion is 12 marks too. That gives max marks.

I dont do very good intros/conclusions unfortunately, definitely wouldn't get 12 marks, 3 and 4 or something. How do you write a good conclusion?

Victoria.

I'm terrified for history. I've really cut the course down. Scared with the poetry thing now even though I wasn't impacted, did Eliot but shook me a bit, thinking about same thing in history.

Sovereignty:

• Cng
• FF
• 1916 and impacts
• Treaty and civil war
• Home rule crisis
• Eucharistic and importance of religion & culture at the time

Dictatorship

• Jarrow - social and economy between wars
• Show trials and purges
• Nazi propaganda and Nuremberg Rallies
• Vichy
• Weimer
• Church state

Division and Realignment:

• Vatican II
• Hungarian uprising
• Oil crisis
• Fragmentation in Hungary, East Germany, Poland and Yugoslavia
• Gorbachev, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev compare and contrast

This is all, really hope I can get questions that are answerable with this lot.

zam

Sorry but everyone is wrong. They do not pick your best x paragraphs and mark each of them out of twelve. They mark EVERY paragraph you do out of 12 and add them all up. And introductions/conclusions are included in this. They are not a separate 12.

Ok I really don't think there's any point in me learning anything new, but I've covered:

Sov & Part

• 1912 Home Rule Bill
• 1916 Rising
• Rise of SF/ 1918 elections
• War of Independence/Treaty/Civil War (but not very well)
• CnaG
• FF
• Anglo-Irish Relations
• CnaG/FF economic policy (not very well either)
• WW2 North & South

Dictatorship & Democracy

• Mussolini (not very well)
• Hitler- rise to power
• Nazi State & propaganda
• Hitler's foreign policy/steps to WW2
• Russia- all of it: Lenin, Stalin, show trials, economic policy etc
• WW2/Technology of warfare

USA & The World

• All of US Foreign Policy (Vietnam & decline of Cold War especially)
• Domestic Factors- McCarthyism/anti war movement (not very well)
• Civil Rights Movement
• Moon Landing/Improvements in technology

How does that sound? Everyone's throwing out predictions for stuff I haven't even done in class such as church-state relations & US economy, 'tis freaking me out!

EuropeanSon

I've done:
Dictatorship & Democracy:
Lenin, Stalin, Show Trials- all of it.
Britain & Germany in the inter war period.
Technology of Warfare

Division & Realignment:
Western & Eastern Economies post WW2
Hungarian Uprising
EEC and Unity stuff up to 1973
Nuclear Power & Computers

Government, Economy & Society in ROI 1949-89:
Lemass & First Programme for Econ. Exp.
Jack Lynch
First Inter Party Government

Feeky Magee

I reckon I'll be sorted with Dev's Anglo-Irish Relations 32-45, American Foreign Policy inc. Cold War and Vietnam, and Mussolini's Rise to and Consolodation of Power. Back up essays are Cumann na nGaeheal 23-32, Moon Landings/Technology, Hitler and Stalin Rise and Consolodation and Show Trials.

zam

Victoria. wrote: »

I'm terrified for history. I've really cut the course down. Scared with the poetry thing now even though I wasn't impacted, did Eliot but shook me a bit, thinking about same thing in history.

Sovereignty:

• Cng
• FF
• 1916 and impacts
• Treaty and civil war
• Home rule crisis
• Eucharistic and importance of religion & culture at the time

Dictatorship

• Jarrow - social and economy between wars
• Show trials and purges
• Nazi propaganda and Nuremberg Rallies
• Vichy
• Weimer
• Church state

Division and Realignment:

• Vatican II
• Hungarian uprising
• Oil crisis
• Fragmentation in Hungary, East Germany, Poland and Yugoslavia
• Gorbachev, Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev compare and contrast

This is all, really hope I can get questions that are answerable with this lot.

Jesus, you've done loads! You're making me worried that you're worried - I've done way way less! for D&D I'm doing the same as you but without Stalin and Vichy... But I went through the papers and I would've been covered every year. Let's just hope this isn't the year I'm not!

cweeva

Deleted User wrote: »

Dictatorship & Democracy

• Mussolini (not very well)
• Hitler- rise to power
• Nazi State & propaganda
• Hitler's foreign policy/steps to WW2
• Russia- all of it: Lenin, Stalin, show trials, economic policy etc
• WW2/Technology of warfare

USA & The World

• All of US Foreign Policy (Vietnam & decline of Cold War especially)
• Domestic Factors- McCarthyism/anti war movement (not very well)
• Civil Rights Movement
• Moon Landing/Improvements in technology

How does that sound? Everyone's throwing out predictions for stuff I haven't even done in class such as church-state relations & US economy, 'tis freaking me out!

I've done the exact same as you here bar Lenin and WW2/Technology of warfare.
Exact same in USA aswell, and all the predictions about the economy and church state are freaking me out too!
I'd say we should be covered, we have the case studies done anyway so there should be at least one! hopefully!

Skintwin

Well, I'm hoping to god that Mussolini'll come up.

But I'm going to learn

Irish:

• Sinn Féin in the 1918 General Election

• Cultural Identity North and South

• Northern Ireland Essays (basically every possible one)

• Cosgrave Governments establishing the Free State on firm foundations 1923 - 1932

• The Eucharistic Congress

Dictatorship and Democracy:

• Church State Relations in Germany and Italy

• How Mussloini came to power and his greatest successes and failures in domestic policy

• How Stalin transformed the USSR

• The Show Trials

• Impact of WWII on civilian population/economy/society of Britain and Germany

• The Causes and Consequences of the Jarrow March

• Characteristics of the Nazi state in Germany 1933 - 1939

• Anti Semitism in Hitler's Germany

American

• Mc Carthyism and the red scare

• Race Relations

• The Montgomery Bus Boycott

• The Vietnam War

• The Anti War Movement

• The Moon Landing

• Advances in IT

• The causes behind the US economic boom up to 1968

• The collapse of the US economy from 1989

And I think that's it!
(Pending any "OH ****" moments in the next few days!)
I should be covered, right?

cweeva

cweeva wrote: »

I've done the exact same as you here bar Lenin and WW2/Technology of warfare.
Exact same in USA aswell, and all the predictions about the economy and church state are freaking me out too!
I'd say we should be covered, we have the case studies done anyway so there should be at least one! hopefully!

Fingers crossed, need to do well in History after my English didn't go so great

cweeva

Deleted User wrote: »

Fingers crossed, need to do well in History after my English didn't go so great

haha again, same as!! english and history are defintely my dodgiest subjects and i'm not happy with english so have to do well in history!

cweeva

cweeva wrote: »

haha again, same as!! english and history are defintely my dodgiest subjects and i'm not happy with english so have to do well in history!

I'm usually pretty confident about English, but I messed up my comparative & unseen poetry...ah well, no point worrying about it now. Praying for a nice History paper!

orlabobs

EuropeanSon wrote: »

12 marks for Intro/Conclusion (6 each)
12 marks per paragraph for your best 4 paragraphs.
40 marks overall evaluation.

Eh, no its just out of 60. You can do as many paragraphs as you want. So you need about 8 paragraphs and the intro and conc also as they usually don't have many marks.
They don't take your 4 best paragraphs. If you don't believe me check the marking schemes.
But ya 40 marks for overall evaluation too.

dodgystuff

Keogg wrote: »

I dont do very good intros/conclusions unfortunately, definitely wouldn't get 12 marks, 3 and 4 or something. How do you write a good conclusion?

For a good conclusion you should keep one bit of information until the end that really shows the point you're trying to make, don't just repeat what you've already said. A statistic is always good if possible too.


I'm DREADING History. Honestly don't know what to do. I've too much going on next week I don't know how I'm going to cope

EuropeanSon

orlabobs wrote: »

Eh, no its just out of 60. You can do as many paragraphs as you want. So you need about 8 paragraphs and the intro and conc also as they usually don't have many marks.
They don't take your 4 best paragraphs. If you don't believe me check the marking schemes.
But ya 40 marks for overall evaluation too.

I already corrected myself in that regard.

Xevkin

Oh it seems 2 different teachers have told us untruths about the marking scheme.....
:L >_<

Rothmans

Xevkin wrote: »

Oh it seems 2 different teachers have told us untruths about the marking scheme.....
:L >_<

Pistols a dawn I assume:p

rockboysarewe

if you get 60/60 in the cumulative your guaranteed 33+ in the overall as long as you dont leave out vital parts

people put way too much emphasis on quality of writing in history

Xevkin

Rothmans wrote: »

Pistols a dawn I assume:p

I'll be needing three bullets

zam

rockboysarewe wrote: »

if you get 60/60 in the cumulative your guaranteed 33+ in the overall as long as you dont leave out vital parts

people put way too much emphasis on quality of writing in history

Not necessarily, sometimes I get 60/60 but my teacher only gives me 28/40...

And so true. It really does not matter. It's not English!

rockboysarewe

zam wrote: »

Not necessarily, sometimes I get 60/60 but my teacher only gives me 28/40...

And so true. It really does not matter. It's not English!

Yeah but your teacher isnt exactly gonna condone a crap answer, the examiner will be different. Your lucky ur teacher gives u a proper cumulative mark, mine just makes up numbers for both.

EuropeanSon

Xevkin wrote: »

I'll be needing three bullets

Killing Ms. Reen? You'll have to get through me first.