Wrestling for older fans??

nlw_coleman

This is a feeler i'm putting out there...
Today's WWE wrestling product is heavily marketed towards children. In turn, promoters here are forced to follow the same road to a large extent. While this is fantastic for children and parents, it leaves older wrestling fans with a much less cutting edge type of show.

This feeler im putting out there is to see who would be interested to going to see a wrestling show directed more towards older fans. Children wouldn't be permitted to such a show and people would be treated to a more cutting edge style of show.

The idea behind this is to simply offer something different. At present I haven't done much past this initial feeler but would appreciate feedback to see who'd be interested to attending. Ideally, the first show would be an invite-only show, meaning admission would be free to those invited. The idea would then be for fans to view the show live and if you like it, purchase a ticket for the next event on leaving the venue.

I personally feel this is something that is missing in this country. But for it to happen, obviously enough people would need to attend and support the product (if you like it of course).

Please let me know thoughts etc. on this here. Thanks.

flahavaj

nlw_coleman wrote: »

This is a feeler i'm putting out there...
Today's WWE wrestling product is heavily marketed towards children. In turn, promoters here are forced to follow the same road to a large extent. While this is fantastic for children and parents, it leaves older wrestling fans with a much less cutting edge type of show.

This feeler im putting out there is to see who would be interested to going to see a wrestling show directed more towards older fans. Children wouldn't be permitted to such a show and people would be treated to a more cutting edge style of show.

The idea behind this is to simply offer something different. At present I haven't done much past this initial feeler but would appreciate feedback to see who'd be interested to attending. Ideally, the first show would be an invite-only show, meaning admission would be free to those invited. The idea would then be for fans to view the show live and if you like it, purchase a ticket for the next event on leaving the venue.

I personally feel this is something that is missing in this country. But for it to happen, obviously enough people would need to attend and support the product (if you like it of course).

Please let me know thoughts etc. on this here. Thanks.

I'd be more than happy to give this a try at least.

It depends upon what you mean by "aimed at older fans" though. If you mean DX style d*ck jokes and the likes, that'd get old fast. Or trying to be an Irish version of Heyman' ECW could be pretty cringe worthy.

My main advice would be to not try and be something thats already been done far better than you could ever hope. Do your own thing, try and be original and people will giv you a chance.

gimmick

TBH, isn't this the kind of thing that Mark Sloan is doing in the UK with Dragongate and/or NOAH? These certainly are not aimed at kids and I would love to see similar tried here.

I would assume the focus would be more or less just on wrestling matches rather than segments?

campo

Sounds good to me Gimmick I am 32 now ( keep it on the down low )
but the WWE is gone a bit cringeworthy for me and TNA is not up to standard yet ( but believe it would not take much to get it there )

Anyway I defo be interested in it

geeky

I'd love a return to believable(ish) characters and a bit of an edgy feel. Wasn't there an attempt made to capture that audience with CPW Northside though? Their experience might be useful to draw on if you can get the info on how it went.

nlw_coleman

Thanks for the quick replies...keep em coming!

The idea would not be "d**k jokes" etc. Nor would I be trying to be the Irish version of ECW or anything like that. But then again, it wouldn't be a Dragongate style effort either.

Basically I'd be looking to make a product that where older/long-term fans can go and have a laugh, maybe a couple of drinks, express their like for what they enjoy and dislike for what they don't. It would be a product where wrestlers and the promoter aren't limited in what they can do or say.

Personally I don't think an over-abundance of swearing, blood and d**k jokes is the way to go. But certainly there would be an element of some of those things involved in the show. Ultimately, the shows would be based around everyone having a good time, a laugh and seeing some damn good wrestling.

Please keep comments coming. No point in going forward with something like this unless enough people are interested in seeing it.

gimmick

Sounds like a wrestling focus group

campo

nlw_coleman wrote: »

Thanks for the quick replies...keep em coming!

The idea would not be "d**k jokes" etc. Nor would I be trying to be the Irish version of ECW or anything like that. But then again, it wouldn't be a Dragongate style effort either.

Basically I'd be looking to make a product that where older/long-term fans can go and have a laugh, maybe a couple of drinks, express their like for what they enjoy and dislike for what they don't. It would be a product where wrestlers and the promoter aren't limited in what they can do or say.

Personally I don't think an over-abundance of swearing, blood and d**k jokes is the way to go. But certainly there would be an element of some of those things involved in the show. Ultimately, the shows would be based around everyone having a good time, a laugh and seeing some damn good wrestling.

Please keep comments coming. No point in going forward with something like this unless enough people are interested in seeing it.

Sounds really cool and shoot style promos planned

flahavaj

If it was a pro wrestling show that didn't insult my intelligence and was well booked with a decent level of in ring performance I'd be happy enough to attend. I think thats all that older wrestling fans really want. Wrestling without all the stupid sh*t. A lack of annoying pesky kids with whistles or those yokes they hand out at GAA matches would be a pleasant bonus.

geeky

gimmick wrote: »

Sounds like a wrestling focus group

Well, we do complain enough about wrestling companies that don't listen to the fans.

It may be tricky to get shows off the ground, particularly outside Dublin, but I'd be the first to promote it among any mates that have even a passing interest in wrestling. I also think you're right to avoid the blood-and-d*ck-jokes formula, but more hard-boiled promos that aren't aimed at getting cheat heat/pops from eight year olds, and matches that account for an adult's concentration span, seem obvious steps.

flahavaj

campo wrote: »

Sounds really cool and shoot style promos planned

Ye don't even have to try too hard to be cutting edge or over clever. Just stuff that makes sense and is logical and doesn't seem like it was booked by a moron.

campo

Get the BWE bookers involved guaranteed success *bang bang*

Was just thinking this the other day....would love to go to or be involved in a promotion aimed at a older crowd....great idea man....kinda felt a bit stupid attending as a fan the IWW shows with a few mates and loads of screaming kids.....good idea!

waltersobchak

campo wrote: »

Get the BWE bookers involved guaranteed success *bang bang*

D2D

waltersobchak wrote: »

Is that you're pic whenever the BWE is mentioned???:pac:

waltersobchak

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Is that you're pic whenever the BWE is mentioned???:pac:

Sure is.. Trademark of Waltersobchak Industries:pac:

Gerard.C

This is a great idea. I'd be much more inclined to go to a show nowadays knowing there would be an older audience. Too many kiddies running around screaming and shouting can sometimes come close to ruining a show

nlw_coleman

thanks for the positive responses. Anyone else care to share any thoughts??

Bounty Hunter

nlw_coleman wrote: »

thanks for the positive responses. Anyone else care to share any thoughts??

and all the shameless plugging...

advice hmm, try and be the HBO of the irish independant scene or so to speak. Dont pander to the idea that you have to do something non PG all the time because its your hook instead just dont limit ideas and promos creatively and if it feels like someone should drop an f-bomb, give a vicious beatdown or do something else non pg then let them etc. Dont push blood and hardcore etc but if two wrestlers decide to do an extra spot that maybe they wouldent with a majority underage audience because of how it looks perhaps let them etc.

Gerard.C

nlw_coleman wrote: »

thanks for the positive responses. Anyone else care to share any thoughts??

I think the idea that you mentioned of drink being sold at the venue would be a nice touch. So long as nobody gets completely bollixed, a few jars would create a nice and enjoyable athmosphere

FFPW Office

Here's a clip of a venue alot of the FFPW/NWA-Ireland/UK lads have done in the past, its in a place called the 'Tip'N'Tin' in Chatham, Kent. They do it once a month and run storylines from show to show, a great setup so it is. It kills me that Ireland doesn't have this sort of show. But it would be something along the lines of what Mr. Coleman is describing so I assume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M4VhYPh73I

davrho

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

and all the shameless plugging...

advice hmm, try and be the HBO of the irish independant scene or so to speak. Dont pander to the idea that you have to do something non PG all the time because its your hook instead just dont limit ideas and promos creatively and if it feels like someone should drop an f-bomb, give a vicious beatdown or do something else non pg then let them etc. Dont push blood and hardcore etc but if two wrestlers decide to do an extra spot that maybe they wouldent with a majority underage audience because of how it looks perhaps let them etc.

Great post!

Let us see what wrestlers can do safely. Let us see the skills they have and not watered down pishposh.
The pg debate is a side issue. Some of the best wrestling i ever seen , in my opinion, was when wwf was a pg show.

Bring the skills and the fans will come.

Ethan Swagger

nlw_coleman wrote: »

This is a feeler i'm putting out there...
Today's WWE wrestling product is heavily marketed towards children. In turn, promoters here are forced to follow the same road to a large extent. While this is fantastic for children and parents, it leaves older wrestling fans with a much less cutting edge type of show.

This feeler im putting out there is to see who would be interested to going to see a wrestling show directed more towards older fans. Children wouldn't be permitted to such a show and people would be treated to a more cutting edge style of show.

The idea behind this is to simply offer something different. At present I haven't done much past this initial feeler but would appreciate feedback to see who'd be interested to attending. Ideally, the first show would be an invite-only show, meaning admission would be free to those invited. The idea would then be for fans to view the show live and if you like it, purchase a ticket for the next event on leaving the venue.

I personally feel this is something that is missing in this country. But for it to happen, obviously enough people would need to attend and support the product (if you like it of course).

Please let me know thoughts etc. on this here. Thanks.

I was training with CJ Summers for a while (Celtic/Phoenix Pro) and I know that was dream - to aim at an older market and have shows exclusively for an adult audience out on the northside of Dublin. However it didn't materialise. It's very hard to know how to go about it but I really do feel it would be worth trying. I for one often feel a bit awkward to say the least being at shows attended mainly by kids and their reluctant dads.

Vince135792003

I like the idea and I would be interested.

However, with attendences being down for almost every form of entertainment this year, cutting your market by excluding kids and the adults that would have to bring them doesn't seem to wise to me.


I think if you want to bring older fans back and there's alot of them (rather than internet hardcore fans which to me isn't a very large segment of wrestling fans in Ireland) a show would need 1 or 2 nostalgia acts. Old wrestling fans like the past and a trip down memory lane appeals to them. There are lots of old wrestling fans that don't know anything about newsletters or go on wrestling websites.


It will be interesting to see how Wrestlezone Ireland does. It's selling point is purely to meet the wrestlers that you watched when you were young. My gut tells me though that at that price, it will be a hard sell.

flahavaj

The sad reality of Irish wrestling is that there more money in catering for kids and selling meerch to them than there is aiming at internet smarks who are a pretty small group ion irelnad, nevermind specifically in Dublin.

For every ROH or old ECW tape or disc you sell you can shift ten times as many Cena or Mysterio t shirts.

i think AWR did a good job of catering to both - booking recently employed WWE guys to keep the kids happy while putting on excellent matches between the irish talent and booking the likes of Sabu to keep the smarks amused.

CMpunked

Funnily enough, a few days ago I was browsing that small unknown video hosting site which I dont think too many people know..
Youtub or something.

Anyway.. I found a video entitled "Dudley boyz nearly cause a riot in ecw".
Check it out, it's near 10 minutes of the dudleys being so brilliantly heel.

Thing is, they did not hold back with their language, it wasn't overdone either.
My girlfriends ears pricked up and she was fairly surprised at how they were so much more than what there is these days.

And it got me thinking, there isn't, or probably wouldn't be anything like that again for a while.

But if this can be done with just enough balance, it could be pretty cool.

gimmick

Was that Heatwave 99 by any chance? That Dudleys promo is unreal in how much it heckles every single person in the crowd.

D2D

gimmick wrote: »

Was that Heatwave 99 by any chance? That Dudleys promo is unreal in how much it heckles every single person in the crowd.

Yep, it was Heatwave 99

NSFW with excessive language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrvkCA8gsAg

CMpunked

gimmick wrote: »

Was that Heatwave 99 by any chance? That Dudleys promo is unreal in how much it heckles every single person in the crowd.

That is the one.
When they left the ring, they basically broke the 4th wall. Like that woman that spat at bubba and he spat straight back, was awesome.
(I don't condone spitting on anyone, especially a woman) but anywhere else there would be security over and they'd be reefed out of it.

waltersobchak

God i love Joel Gertner.. Hope he's at HardCORE Justice:pac:

gimmick

CMpunked wrote: »

That is the one.
When they left the ring, they basically broke the 4th wall. Like that woman that spat at bubba and he spat straight back, was awesome.
(I don't condone spitting on anyone, especially a woman) but anywhere else there would be security over and they'd be reefed out of it.

If the stupid bitch spat at him, she deserved to be spat back at.

CMpunked

gimmick wrote: »

If the stupid bitch spat at him, she deserved to be spat back at.

This topic has come up before

I'm just saying how many times have you seen a fan being kicked out for a lot less

GTR63

WWE has abandoned any adult fans they had the got the last 2 decades.Cena is like Cryptonite to an Adult Audience.They also push whoever they want despite talent like McIntyre getting little or no reaction.
Did anyone see Danielson say a PG product is good,what a load of crap that was but the 27 sad acts that were the crowd clapped it.I want to see chahrshots to the head(not too many shots),blood(not every 5 minutes,takd note of that tna) & Steve Austin would of NEVER,EVER gotten of saying Heck Yeah or Stomping a mudhole in your bottom.

flahavaj

GTR63 wrote: »

WWE has abandoned any adult fans they had the got the last 2 decades.Cena is like Cryptonite to an Adult Audience.They also push whoever they want despite talent like McIntyre getting little or no reaction.
Did anyone see Danielson say a PG product is good,what a load of crap that was but the 27 sad acts that were the crowd clapped it.I want to see chahrshots to the head(not too many shots),blood(not every 5 minutes,takd note of that tna) & Steve Austin would of NEVER,EVER gotten of saying Heck Yeah or Stomping a mudhole in your bottom.

GTR63 really really hates WWE.:pac:

Even one chairshot to the head is one too many IMO. I think enough pretty bad stuff has happened the last few years for their entertainment value to have gotten a little hollow by now tbh. They're just not worth it and if they're the only way a guy can get over, then that guy probably shouldn't be calling himself a wrestler in the first place.

jaykhunter

I've got a stu-lution (Tim reference, solution) - why not make head-chair shots extremely rare, so they mean something, but when they're done, make the seat (the part that makes contact) made out of a much lighter material - eg those baking pans they sometimes use, or trash cans you see. Same spectacle; much, much lesser negative effects.

wrestlers could smartly just connect with the shoulder blades and have the guy sell a back of the head chairshot.

Ethan Swagger

flahavaj wrote: »

GTR63 really really hates WWE.:pac:

Even one chairshot to the head is one too many IMO. I think enough pretty bad stuff has happened the last few years for their entertainment value to have gotten a little hollow by now tbh. They're just not worth it and if they're the only way a guy can get over, then that guy probably shouldn't be calling himself a wrestler in the first place.

Tend to agree with u Flahavaj ... personally I'd like to see a lot more real mat action and skill A.J. Styles/Bryan Daniels style and less of the use of all these "foreign objects"

GTR63

flahavaj wrote: »

GTR63 really really hates WWE.:pac:

Even one chairshot to the head is one too many IMO. I think enough pretty bad stuff has happened the last few years for their entertainment value to have gotten a little hollow by now tbh. They're just not worth it and if they're the only way a guy can get over, then that guy probably shouldn't be calling himself a wrestler in the first place.

I hate what they`ve become , PG for the kiddies to enjoy Cena holding the World Title for Marathon length Reigns.I`m not asking for a guy to be battered to death with one eg The Rock vs Mankind Royal Rumble 1999.I want them to have the OPTION to use it ONCE or TWICE if it helps a match or Rivalry.Otherwise it becomes ridiculous,like any TNA gimmick Match god knows there has been enough of those.

Oh & about me hating on wwe,I`ve criticised TNA & ROH on this site aswell.

Wolfe Tone

I am the only person who wants to see two guys with a simple storyline, fight?

GTR63

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I am the only person who wants to see two guys with a simple storyline, fight?

UFC thats what you want,seriously if you don`t you should start watching it.I`m not a fan of storylines or stick work its matches that are remembered best for me.The storylines & promo`s are only for the build up videos to showcase the rivalry before the ppv matches,they ain`t what people Buy the events for its the match.

Wolfe Tone

GTR63 wrote: »

UFC thats what you want,seriously if you don`t you should start watching it.I`m not a fan of storylines or stick work its matches that are remembered best for me.The storylines & promo`s are only for the build up videos to showcase the rivalry before the ppv matches,they ain`t what people Buy the events for its the match.

I watch some UFC but I think wrestling is much more exciting and varied.

jaykhunter

I'd stupifyed (and disturbed ) that it took almost 3 pages for someone to mention UFC, which is lauded to be modern-day pro-wrestling; two guys with big personalities with a reason to fight, settle things in a ring/cage, with almost always a clean finish.

Personally I love wrestling much, much more. It's the UFC condescension towards wrestling which really puts me off. (With statements like "wrestling fans 'graduate' on to MMA") :mad:

GTR63

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I watch some UFC but I think wrestling is much more exciting and varied.

Varied yes,but UFC is more exciting for me cause it can end at any moment with a punch or a quick sub like a guillotine.Variety has to go to wrestling, there is only so many ways you can say i`m going to knock you out in a UFC promo & some fights like evans vs rampage the fighters just don`t want to risk losing and don`t go looking for a decisive victory.
PS Anyone complaining about me talking about ufc in a wrestling thread has to realise that wrestling has lost some fans to the product so it does apply to this particular thread.

davrho

GTR63 wrote: »

WWE has abandoned any adult fans they had the got the last 2 decades.Cena is like Cryptonite to an Adult Audience.They also push whoever they want despite talent like McIntyre getting little or no reaction.
Did anyone see Danielson say a PG product is good,what a load of crap that was but the 27 sad acts that were the crowd clapped it.I want to see chahrshots to the head(not too many shots),blood(not every 5 minutes,takd note of that tna) & Steve Austin would of NEVER,EVER gotten of saying Heck Yeah or Stomping a mudhole in your bottom.

No it has not. 60% of wwe veiwers are over 18.

Cena's T-shirts highest sales is in the adult sizes. Cena is a face for Gillette.

Why would you want to see chairshots to the head? It does nothing for wrestling and now is being looked at as dangerous to the performer?

Blood stops football, matches, rugby, boxing etc for safety and health of the competitors. Should wwe take responsibility and liability for the issues of blood? Times have changed.

Smackdown has always been pg? Why moan now?

The Austin days and mass media manipulation days are gone................

michael.etc...

This could definitely be something worth looking into. There's quite a few from here, including some on the forum who have been, and are willing to travel to the UK in order to see a more "adult" wrestling show. That suggests there is a market, but whether it's large enough to sustain entire shows here is a different matter.

I think it depends very much on the scale of such a project, and the approach you would take. Obviously, you've said being like a Dragon Gate isn't the aim- but maybe a more modern-thinking brand (similar to Evolve
I guess), who take elements of MMA, the more professional indies such as ROH, and combine them with old-school, fundamental, heated, NWA storytelling.
Is it intended to be purely local lads? (In that regard, I'd love to see guys like Dunkan and Tracey go at it in an old-school technical, mat-based match... and i'm sure they'd love the opportunity to do so more often on home soil). But if it's to be more than a couple hundred people attending, a couple of well-chosen, though not extravagent imports may be required. Perhaps this could be what is needed to draw in a few people willing to travel. Personally, I travelled down from Belfast to Waterford to get a chance to see CIMA in IWW, and i guess many would be willing to do the same.

Either way, I think there's room for something like this, if you can establish a brand that fans alienated by the Irish kid-friendly shows (not that i'm complaining about them, but out-of control kids surrounding wrestlers in the aisles isn't everyone's cup of tea) are happy to support, even once or twice a year.

Rjd2

davrho wrote: »

No it has not. 60% of wwe veiwers are over 18.

Cena's T-shirts highest sales is in the adult sizes. Cena is a face for Gillette.

Why would you want to see chairshots to the head? It does nothing for wrestling and now is being looked at as dangerous to the performer?

Blood stops football, matches, rugby, boxing etc for safety and health of the competitors. Should wwe take responsibility and liability for the issues of blood? Times have changed.

Smackdown has always been pg? Why moan now?

The Austin days and mass media manipulation days are gone................

Wrong.

Its 78%. :pac:

flahavaj

I think a good starting point as to the viability of this venture would be to answer this question:

If ROH ran their strongest show in Dublin in a decent venue, how many would they draw realistically?

Because if they don't break 500 with some of the top indy talent in the world like Davey, The Briscoes etc etc, then a local group hasn't a hope of consistently drawing even 1/2 that.

GTR63

Rjd2 wrote: »

Wrong.

Its 78%. :pac:

davrho wrote: »

No it has not. 60% of wwe veiwers are over 18.

Cena's T-shirts highest sales is in the adult sizes. Cena is a face for Gillette.

Why would you want to see chairshots to the head? It does nothing for wrestling and now is being looked at as dangerous to the performer?

Blood stops football, matches, rugby, boxing etc for safety and health of the competitors. Should wwe take responsibility and liability for the issues of blood? Times have changed.

Smackdown has always been pg? Why moan now?

The Austin days and mass media manipulation days are gone................

Who were the last faces of gilette...Oh Tiger Woods & Thiefy Henry.PS Who gives a DAMN about face of Gilette.Its so sad that grown men would wear Cena's Bright Orange Shirts & His tacky John Deer rip off that mysteriously disappeared.OH & why have people got sand in their Vaginas about using chairs to the head.I'm not saying every time but I imagine they get concusions from High Flying or Bad Bumps.
I could personally go without seeing Cage or Ladder matches where if they bleed they'll have to get attention & if a player in Rugby,Soccer or whatever sport you care to mention.He leaves the field of play & THE MATCH CONTINUES.

GTR63

Rjd2 wrote: »

Wrong.

Its 78%. :pac:

davrho wrote: »

No it has not. 60% of wwe veiwers are over 18.

Cena's T-shirts highest sales is in the adult sizes. Cena is a face for Gillette.

Why would you want to see chairshots to the head? It does nothing for wrestling and now is being looked at as dangerous to the performer?

Blood stops football, matches, rugby, boxing etc for safety and health of the competitors. Should wwe take responsibility and liability for the issues of blood? Times have changed.

Smackdown has always been pg? Why moan now?

The Austin days and mass media manipulation days are gone................

Who were the last faces of gilette...Oh Tiger Woods & Thiefy Henry.PS Who gives a DAMN about face of Gilette.Its so sad that grown men would wear Cena's Bright Orange Shirts & His tacky John Deer rip off that mysteriously disappeared.OH & why have people got sand in their Vaginas about using chairs to the head.I'm not saying every time but I imagine they get concusions from High Flying or Bad Bumps.
I could personally go without seeing Cage or Ladder matches where if they bleed they'll have to get attention & if a player in Rugby,Soccer or whatever sport you care to mention apart from UFC or Boxing (where phisical hitting to the head is the majority of the sport).He leaves the field of play & THE MATCH CONTINUES.

waltersobchak

flahavaj wrote: »

I think a good starting point as to the viability of this venture would be to answer this question:

If ROH ran their strongest show in Dublin in a decent venue, how many would they draw realistically?

Because if they don't break 500 with some of the top indy talent in the world like Davey, The Briscoes etc etc, then a local group hasn't a hope of consistently drawing even 1/2 that.

I wonder if all those medicore promotions,that saturated the Irish wrestling market, and have they jaded the majority of Irish fans? At the end of the day i'd imagine(at a total guess) 70% or more of the fans who go to shows must be Internet fans, and the majority of those fans would have to be familiar with DGUSA, ROH, EVOLVE etc etc, so why wouldnt promoters cater to them rather than the 30% of fans who are kids and are going expecting to see WWEesque "Sports Enterainment"?

michael.etc...

flahavaj wrote: »

I think a good starting point as to the viability of this venture would be to answer this question:

If ROH ran their strongest show in Dublin in a decent venue, how many would they draw realistically?

Because if they don't break 500 with some of the top indy talent in the world like Davey, The Briscoes etc etc, then a local group hasn't a hope of consistently drawing even 1/2 that.

To add to this- one of ROH's biggest issues is the staleness of their roster- their top stars, Briscoes, Aries, Richards have all battled everyone else numerous times, and fans have been expected to shell out for each of these efforts, either on dvd or in person. They don't have the roster depth to do the 2006-2008 numbers on a regular basis. If Davey Richards was brought here to main event against Fergal Devitt- would it alone do worthwhile numbers? (Obviously those two names I've plucked from the top of my head are not an actual suggestion). Evolve draws 200-300 per show ,and while I don't know if they're profitable, they're booking Danielson, at least one Japanese name, Hero, Castagnoli, Jimmy Jacobs, and Kenny Dykstra on a typical show atm.

If a local show was nowhere near the scale (in terms of star names and expenses) could it draw on the back of having a solid bunch of guys we all know can deliver, locally based, with say, one match on top that features a name/or two names, that a few fans from around the UK may be willing to fork out for? I guess what I'm trying to suggest, is a small scale equivalent of an essentially one-match UFC card- that draws on the back of the headliner, and establishes a foundation for future shows with an undercard that makes clear the action one can expect from future shows.

jaykhunter

Rjd2 wrote: »

Wrong.

Its 78%. :pac:

I don't understand how this statistic can be true. How can this kids' show corner mostly an adult market? Is it just that the hardcore fans from the 90s never stopped watching RAW?