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The Mars-Earth Connection
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09-06-2010 5:59am#1I usually come on here just looking for info on CT's, not to argue or anything like that. Theres a lot of helpful threads on here that debunk a lot of theories, but heres one I'm curious about.
There is an area of Mars called Cydonia, which I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with. Its the bit with the "Face on Mars". Anyway, looking at some sites, theres aerial photos which seem to correspond exactly with a place in England. Theres also other parts that correspond with the pyraminds of Giza. In fact, the "Face on Mars" apparently is similar to the Sphinx, in the way that one half represents a human (masculine), and the other half a Lion (feminine). Its something like that anyway. Thats not the point.
Have a look here:
Oddly similar layouts. Not the same size, but apparently exactly to scale (i think 14:1?). The links I found go into detail about little bumps/mini-pyramids around both the Earth and Mars ring in that pic. They have photos of the exact shapes at the exact same spots on both. Its weird.
Anyway, heres some more links if someone wants to provide me more info, either by debunking or convincing me an old intelligent race created these sites.
Cheers.
Linkage:
http://www.aulis.com/mars.htm
http://frenzy.chez.com/Econnexion.htm
http://www.halexandria.org/dward358.htm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2155728/The-Cydonia-EarthMars-Connection
EDIT: Sorry, the conspiracy being that proof of E.T. is being withheld by NASA or whoever.
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OK, and just for the laugh, check this photo out:
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/306-230906-3253-6-co2-Cydonia_H.jpg
See the big rock in the middle of all them other rocks, just left of centre? Zoom in and scroll to the left. I can see numbers! Theres a definate 5, and a 4 just above it to the right, then theres an 8 up the left a bit! 0 -
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wow man I just got the connection there,
stone hinge/new grange
you name it they all Aline with the moon and the sun.I usually come on here just looking for info on CT's, not to argue or anything like that. Theres a lot of helpful threads on here that debunk a lot of theories, but heres one I'm curious about.
There is an area of Mars called Cydonia, which I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with. Its the bit with the "Face on Mars". Anyway, looking at some sites, theres aerial photos which seem to correspond exactly with a place in England. Theres also other parts that correspond with the pyraminds of Giza. In fact, the "Face on Mars" apparently is similar to the Sphinx, in the way that one half represents a human (masculine), and the other half a Lion (feminine). Its something like that anyway. Thats not the point.
Have a look here:
Oddly similar layouts. Not the same size, but apparently exactly to scale (i think 14:1?). The links I found go into detail about little bumps/mini-pyramids around both the Earth and Mars ring in that pic. They have photos of the exact shapes at the exact same spots on both. Its weird.
Anyway, heres some more links if someone wants to provide me more info, either by debunking or convincing me an old intelligent race created these sites.
Cheers.
Linkage:
http://www.aulis.com/mars.htm
http://frenzy.chez.com/Econnexion.htm
http://www.halexandria.org/dward358.htm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2155728/The-Cydonia-EarthMars-Connection
EDIT: Sorry, the conspiracy being that proof of E.T. is being withheld by NASA or whoever.0 -
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We have no clue if it did or not. The runaway greenhouse effect and huge pressures since have likely wiped out any evidence. There is some evidence it had oceans very early on, but again they burnt off. Its possible it just been closer to the sun life got started but had no future. Even on earth in the early days CO2 was the most common gas. Early life operated on it and pumped out O2, kinda like plants still do. Venus being closer that CO2 heated it up just that little bit too much.Deleted User wrote: »Whatever about mars, venus didn't have life at any point..
There has been enough posts on that radiation subject that debunk your notion. Easy answer: Observe the 1000's of satelites and deep space probes, all of whom have very sensitive electronics that would be affected by the kind of radiation you describe that could kill a man in hours, yet they last years, sometimes decades.and, im sure you're aware of the radiation in space that ensured we didn't go to the moon..but you think aliens were sauntering around the solar system as they saw fit?..
Newgrange does line up at the sun alright and as you say does line up at the moon. A moon connection rarely enough mentioned. Every 19 years the full moon rises and floods the chamber just before the sun floods the chamber in the well known yearly event. Interestingly the greeks wrote about a race called the Hyperboreans from the far north who had a circular temple of the moon that ran on a 19 year cycle. Some English researchers claim stonehenge(big shock:)) as this place, but IMHO Newgrange(which is half a millenium older) is a much better fit(stonehenge doesnt line up the same way for a start and is significantly less complex in its allignments, though fair play to the english lads as far as erecting stones that size :eek:. In nearby Knowth its seems that every 19 years the sun would set in one passage, while the full moon would rise in the other(Knowth has two passages and IMHO is equally if not more spectacular than newgrange).cable842 wrote:wow man I just got the connection there,
stone hinge/new grange
IMHO the archaelogical mainstream in Ireland are massively set in their ways on this point. To the point of it being a CT of silence, bad science and ignorance. They insist these places are primarily tombs, yet few enough burials are found in them. They also insist that the carvings cant be identified and are probably just abstract or religious doodles, yet an American tourist to the sites noted what appeared to be the first known maps of the moon. Big deal you may think, but this guy was a NASA scientist on the moon mapping team for the apollo missions, so he may have a fairly good idea what constituted a moon map.
Then the kerbstones at Knowth, which contain nearly half of all neolithic art in europe in one place. One in particular looks like a sundial.
Some researchers have even made a replica and guess what? It works as a sundial and calender. I gather they found the guys back then had 5 day weeks and 10 hour days. Again the establishment here largely ignores these things. That would make that sundial the oldest sundial(and calender) on earth so far discovered. Predating the babylonians by 1000's of years.
Even in the hideously disney newgrange reconstruction that has zero basis in science stands out as another example of dopeyness(the entrance is beyond a farce. The Knowth reconstruction is much more kind to the monument but even there I believe they've gotten it arseways(plus at one point some muppets from the board of works installed a huge concrete block to seal off the second passageway :rolleyes: Amateur hour).
IMHO the reason the white stone in both was found at the front is because looking at old pre excavated photos there are animal and human tracks up the front. Both were also quarried for stone. so going back and forth for 1000's of years the stone fell to the front and all the nice white stuff was robbed or slumped to the front. IMHO the whole site is a moon/sun cult site with a working scientific "clock" to mark out the lunar/solar events and their calender year. That the monuments were originally covered all over the top in white, possibly with dark stones arranged as a basic moon map(like on the inside rocks), to represent the moon on earth. It's highly probable that the meath site is the oldest by far computational device on earth. One that still bloody well works 5 odd 1000 years later :eek: and its a few miles from Dublin. In the US a group called the Long Now are planning to build a clock that will run for 10,000 years. Sorry lads a bunch of micks have beaten ye to it by 5000 years
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Well the newer higher res photos seem to show mountains. Unusual shapes yes, but pyramids? Bit of a stretch and if they are, then were are all the other buildings and roads that surround the ones in egypt?GarlicBread wrote: »The pyrimids on mars
Now we have a much better grasp of how they built the pyramids. There are examples of half finished ones. ones where they got the construction wrong and started again(three times in the case of one Pharaoh. Wouldnt have liked to see his billprove that the egyptians didnt build the pyrimids on earth, but even if they did,) Even an example where they got the angle wrong and then changed their mind
Doh!
Because they're not pictures of helicopters. The egyptian tombs were built over time. When a new pharaoh came along often they would start building his tomb right away, morbid or wha? If said pharaoh had a few miltary campaigns or got a new wife or any number of things that happen in any life, they would add or subtract text to keep up. They would overwrite previous texts, sometimes very crudely depending on the skill of the scribe. That's what that panel shows. An egyptian typo.how and why would they have hieroglyphs of helicoptors, tanks and planes when those vehicles are specific to earth in this century?
Well I wouldnt say a total joke, but I would agree that too often "accepted theories" are called fact. Too often cultural bias is shown. Too often a small number of scholars control the debate and the published facts. Egypt a great example. The head of antiquities Hawaas controls pretty much everything to do with ancient egypt. He controls access to visiting scholars and controls the output of published works. I can understand in one way as his country was effectively raped of its heritage for so long and all sorts of crackpot stuff is attached to egypt and has been since at least te 1700's, but it narrows science because of it(and to be fair to him he is a good scientist, but narrow very narrow). There are a lot of "crackpot" theories out there I would have some sympathy for.mainstream archeology is a total joke, they are making it up as they go along and dismissing anyone who claims otherwise.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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I read of other theories in fortean times and new sceintist IIRC(the whole structure covered in the white stones is my mad notion though
). I googled the Brennan fella and yes he appears to be the main driving force behind a lot of this. He also seems to have been ignored, even vilified at times. Archaeology seems to be a science that engenders sometimes robust debate everywhere, but moreso in this country. I suppose because of lack of funding has meant only a few people at the top(certainly in the past) and they have more leverage over publication and funding for alternative ideas. Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Dunno really big conjecture on my part and impossible to prove unless a pristine unexcavated mound is found which would be unlikely. The only reason I have for the suggestion of the moon map is the quantity of darker stones found in the spill, that are now arranged in pretty patterns in the newgrange frontage. I do reckon they were covered all over with the white stones though. Sloping down to the kerbstones. It would be stable as a structure. Unlike the current newgrange front which is far too steep an angle and the whole thing and its white stones are actually set in concrete.
What you see here today is a concrete wall. It would never have held up without mortar. The joke is if humans died off tomorrow, it would fall apart far more quickly than it did in its history. In knowth they left them at the front as a kind of walkway/courtyard. Much better and more sympathetic attempt all around at that site. My issue with that is try walking on those stones. Fine in modern shoes, but in leather moccasins? You'd put your ankle out. Plus they'd get pretty filthy pretty fast. Maybe it wasnt meant to be walked on though?
As far as impact in the landscape goes though, pure white circular mounds would really stand out against the green. A ground representation of the moon(or sun?). They seemed to pick their stones to make them stand out in other earlier cairns. In the UK there are examples of huge chalk drawings, where they picked away the green over cover. Now many if not most are much younger but one example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uffington_White_Horse appears to be 3000 years old. Much younger than the meath site, but this idea of scraping away or adding a contrasting colour to big earthworks is a pretty common technique in many cultures. The Nazca lines another good example.
So the evidence such as it is for me, would be: stable building technique. Effort gone to source the white stones. Presence of the white stones at the bottom of ancient pathways to the top(carried by human/animal action)*. Quarrying of the top of these structure over the centuries. The white ones would have been more attractive as building material. Look at the great pyramid(and others) in egypt.The fine outer layers have been robbed. Even what's left could have covered a lot of the mound originally.
See pathway to the right of the entrance and pile of stones at its base in an old photo of newgrange before excavation.
Other white ancient ground figures. Other stone cairns designed to be bare rock in the landscape. Possible moon/sun cult, if the moon "maps" hold up and the clear evidence of alignments. In my defence I think it a better fit than the current reconstruction anyway.
* I have a large steep part on my property. There was an attempt to landscape it into a huge rockery. 5 tons of contrasting stone brought in 30 years ago. Nearly all have disappeared, either by being buried under soil cover or falling to the bottom. What's interesting and kinda made me think more on these structures, is that the stones in my garden that have fallen to the bottom are way more concentrated where there is a natural pathway where people and foxes and such run up. That's over just 30 years. Over the guts of 5000?Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Scientists announce the discovery of startling artificial Megalithic structures found among recently released NASA / JPL photos taken by the Mars Global Surveyor and that these artificial structures are stunning proof that Mars was once inhabited by an intelligent civilization. Includes a spectacular collection of new photographs presented by Dr. Tom Van Flandern, former Chief Astronomer for the United States Naval Observatory. See remarkable monuments, "T" shaped craters, gigantic glass tube systems, ancient forest remains and grand edifices that will leave you speechless.
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There are some very interesting things going on on mars and no mistake. Stuff that cant be easily explained from processes seen on earth. The usual explanations of it being a lower gravity, waterless, very thin atmosphere so stuff looks different doesnt quite fit for me anyway. Like even something uncontroversial like large scale sand dunes on mars. The atmosphere is so thin that you would barely feel a 200 mile an hour martian wind on your skin, so how does a large scale structure like a sand dune form? How do mountains erode into such shapes? Yes Mars has big planet wide sandstorms but the grains in them are the consistency of talc. On earth you can get allsorts of wacky shapes, but we have constant large scale water action, a warmer denser more forcefully active atmosphere were a 70 MPH wind will knock you off your feet and can knock down and lift trees and carry much coarser grains of rock.TalkieWalkie wrote: »
We sooooo need to get out there and put the mark 1 human eyeball on the ground.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Cairo is also known as city on Mars. Giza is connected to Cydonia. Mars was inhabitable and had a very volatile war like past. It moved orbits several times in its history and taken more batterings than earth could ever do at this point.
Mars had and still has life. But many of you all look to nasa I bet...... for answers...... Nasa is a sci fied Hollywood set, many are dummies and actors, but its still managed privately by a few directors. We have been so fooled its unreal.
Martians were connected to the Orions, and were humanoid like us. They are infact one of our ancestors.0 -
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The official consensus seems to be. "They're passage tombs." even though the have elaborate siting and stone work that suggests something else.
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mysterious wrote: »Cairo is also known as city on Mars. Giza is connected to Cydonia. Mars was inhabitable and had a very volatile war like past. It moved orbits several times in its history and taken more batterings than earth could ever do at this point.
Mars had and still has life. But many of you all look to nasa I bet...... for answers...... Nasa is a sci fied Hollywood set, many are dummies and actors, but its still managed privately by a few directors. We have been so fooled its unreal.
Martians were connected to the Orions, and were humanoid like us. They are infact one of our ancestors.
I think i disagree with every single sentence. Different orbits? Nasa a film studio? Orions?0 -
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A couple more pics of the Cydonia region...
If anybody is really good at maths maybe they could have a look at the above calculations, judging by the pictures do these figures look right?
Sorry, but in fairness, someone has way too much time on their hands...rub out all the ****e written into the top pic and replace it with 'hill, bit of a hill, bit of a slope, rocky outcrop etc.', and leave the trigonometry to the maths people..0 -
Richard Hoagland has done alot of research on Cydonia.TalkieWalkie wrote: »
Just got around to watching those videos. Very interesting stuff.0 -
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namloc1980 wrote: »i find interesting that those advocating cities/pyramids on Mars use NASA imagery to support their points while at the same time saying NASA are lying to us and doctoring images etc!?
And then they also use low resolution images such as Viking imagery of the 'face' to say "look a face on Mars, it must be made by some intelligence". Then when high resolution images such as Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter are released and they show that the 'face' is nothing more than a non-descript mesa you get "NASA have faked those images etc"..........as I said it's interesting.
It's like the bible, it has many truth's to it, but over time it got tarnished with more lies and editing to spew the agenda while still holding truth. If the bible was all lies, it wouldn't sell. If NASA was all lies, people would cop on very quickly. It's how it all works. I'm amazed your not aware of this.
It's not interesting, it's plain obvious.:rolleyes: Didn't you know?
The best way to hide the truth is PUT IT IN FRONT OF YOU. It's like many things NASA show the world, they will say its all out there and then come back and say we have no proof that life exists. It's called deceiving people. It's very easy to see this. Most people miss the obvious.
The face on mars was done, because the truth is that, and NASA exposed it as conspiracy gossip for the world to look at. Then NASA comes back a few years later with more pictures, so we see it in a different angle now.
It's called deceiving the masses. I don't find that interesting. If they hide the obvious and keep everything top secret people will start questioning and will want to know the real truth behind everything. People are easy to control and condition. None of this will fool me 0 -
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