Anti-capitalist tyre slasher given chance to avoid prison

rovert

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Anti-capitalist tyre slasher given chance to avoid prison
on 08/06/2010 17:59:34


A man who was one of a group of three that slashed 128 tyres because of "some sort of complaint they had about capitalism" has been give a chance to avoid prison by coming up with compensation and getting into a college course.. A man who was one of a group of three that slashed 128 tyres because of "some sort of complaint they had about capitalism" has been give a chance to avoid prison by coming up with compensation and getting into a college course..

Michael Somers (aged 23) of St. Catherines Foyer, Marrowbone Lane, Dublin 8, caused €22,314 worth of damage to the vehicles the group targeted that night. He later told gardaí that they only selected vehicles that were registered after 2003.

He pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to three charges of criminal damage September 18, 2007. The charges represented a sample of 24 counts. He had no previous convictions and has not come to garda attention since.

Judge Katherine Delahunt took the "highly unusual step" of adjouring the case for over a year to let Somers "put his money where his mouth is." She said she also wants to see if he gets into a degree course he is planning to do. Somers' stepmother has already paid over €1,000 in compensation.

Judge Delahunt said she wanted to support Somers in his efforts to "get his life back on the straight and narrow" but warned him this support would cease if he reoffends. She remanded him on continuing bail to appear in October 2011.

Garda Susan Rowland agreed with Mr Erwan Mill-Arden SC, (with Mr Pieter Le Vert BL), defending, that his client was living in a hostel for the homeless at the time having previously been discharged from a psychiatric hospital.

She agreed that he was approached by this other person who was "very upset with the world" and he got involved in the scheme having seen something on "YouTube".

Gda Rowland told Mr Garnet Orange BL, prosecuting, that 77 tyres were slashed at Rathdown Motors in Templeogue after the group had wandered through Rathmines and Ranelagh cutting the tyres with a fish gutting knife.

Somers was arrested from CCTV footage and made full admissions. He told gardaí that he had been smoking cannabis earlier that day.

Mr Mill-Arden told Judge Delahunt that Somers' mother died when he was quite young and his father passed away four years ago. He started drinking heavily at 15 and abusing cannabis at 19 years old.

He said that Somers had psychiatric problems in the past and had been prescribed anti-depressants and attended a psychiatric hospital.

Mr Mill-Arden said his client has since started a Fetac course and wanted to pursue a career in camera repair.

Love this story :pac:

SENTENCED TO COLLEGE

sponsoredwalk

That is awesome!

They should have sentenced the guy to a politics course.

jd007

Maybe it was this fella

Cheap Thrills!

Aw, cry me a fcuking river. I know what I'd have given the little pr!ck.

He said that Somers had psychiatric problems in the past and.............................and attended a psychiatric hospital.

Oh boo fcuking hoo! I wonder had his psychiatric problems anything to do with:

He started drinking heavily at 15 and abusing cannabis at 19 years old.

JUSTICE MY ARSE :mad:

Mike 1972

"some sort of complaint they had about capitalism" .......He later told gardaí that they only selected vehicles that were registered after 2003.

Sure when the revolution comes everyone will be driving Merc's

But only Merc's manufactured before 2003 mind !

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

JUSTICE MY ARSE :mad:

You sound "very upset with the world" ?

Id stay away from Youtube If I were you

rovert

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Aw, cry me a fcuking river. I know what I'd have given the little pr!ck.



Oh boo fcuking hoo! I wonder had his psychiatric problems anything to do with:



JUSTICE MY ARSE :mad:

I know this is AH but please to no RABBLE, RABBLE in this thread.

mike65

Where's me tyre iron?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Somers was arrested from CCTV footage and made full admissions. He told gardaí that he had been smoking cannabis earlier that day. (we added this part because we are cnuts)

What in the fcuk does this have to do with anything? It establishes the fact that they haven't a clue about cannabis.

Cheap Thrills!

Sorry, it was the words 'Anti-Capitalist' that set me off

Mike 1972

Kinslee Bald Udder wrote: »

What in the fcuk does this have to do with anything? It establishes the fact that they haven't a clue about cannabis.

Im a bit confused about that part.

Is the fact that he smoked cannabis supposed to be:

1) An aggravating factor ?
2) A mitigating factor ?
3) Irrelevant ?

rovert

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Im a bit confused about that part.

Is the fact that he smoked cannabis supposed to be:

1) An aggravating factor ?
2) A mitigating factor ?
3) Irrelevant ?

If he wasnt smoking cannabis it would have been all Mercs

Cheap Thrills!

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Im a bit confused about that part.

Is the fact that he smoked cannabis supposed to be:

1) An aggravating factor ?
2) A mitigating factor ?
3) Irrelevant ?

I'd imagine mitigating. It was used by the scummer who stabbed the two polish lads with the screwdriver (cannibas amongst other substances)

His defence seems to be something along the lines of:

'I was stoned, I had a bad childhood, I didn't know what I was doing as I slashed car after car after car, only certain years numberplates mind'

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Im a bit confused about that part.

Is the fact that he smoked cannabis supposed to be:

1) An aggravating factor ?
2) A mitigating factor ?
3) Irrelevant ?

He must have went into one of those famous marijuana rages I keep hearing about...

This is not the 50's anymore... jesus...

ScumLord

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Oh boo fcuking hoo! I wonder had his psychiatric problems anything to do with:

It sounds more likely it was due to his parents dying at a young age which made him turn to a bad crowd and drugs. It says so right there in the article.

Mute

Kinslee Bald Udder wrote: »

He must have went into one of those famous marijuana rages I keep hearing about...

This is not the 50's anymore... jesus...

My friend was high on weed the weekend while sitting in the passenger seat of my car.

He pleaded with me to slow down.

We were still in the driveway:)

AskMyChocolate

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Im a bit confused about that part.

Is the fact that he smoked cannabis supposed to be:

1) An aggravating factor ?
2) A mitigating factor ?
3) Irrelevant ?

"Very true,mate."

*passes joint*

rovert

At least we all know that the youtube defence is permissable in Irish courts.

wandatowell

your friend is a moron

sponsoredwalk

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Aw, cry me a fcuking river. I know what I'd have given the little pr!ck.

I bet your not a judge , you can't just pre-judge people & then lash out with anger in the form of a prison sentence, it's not working in overcrowded american prisons & it wont work here.

Look at the guys history, it's seriously messed up & this could be a chance to change for the better, what's the point of putting him into an overcrowded prison where he can foster the hate?

This doesn't even sound like the childish pseudo-anarchist rebellious thing, it's too psychologically charged.

Also, why would anti-capitalist set you off?
I'm guessing it set you off in the same way it set me off, i.e. it is that stupid type of rebellion thing kids do to fight the system.
That's not anti-capitalism it's just ignorance of facts, stupidity & vandalism... but I may be wrong in that guess :pac:

Mike 1972

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

childish pseudo-anarchist rebellious thing..... that stupid type of rebellion thing kids to to fight the system.

Around the corner from me someone has painted on a wall in large letters

OBAY NO COMMAND

Given that the (misspelled) statement is in point of fact a command Im at a bit of a loss as to how one should respond ?

sponsoredwalk

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Around the corner from me someone has painted on a wall in large letters

OBAY NO COMMAND

Given that the (misspelled) statement is in point of fact a command Im at a bit of a loss as to how one should respond ?

That's brilliant, is that in Dublin?

I like the slogan, "question everything" because you start to question that statement "question everything" first, whether it causes people to question anything else apart from that slogan idk...

Anyway, the wall slogan is childishness in my view, but you get what the meaning of the statement is. I wish these taggers would start spray painting their favourite pieces of literature from their favourite anarchist material instead, but you know they've never actually read any of it...

Cheap Thrills!

No, I know, listen I have a smoke. Yeh, he had a bad childhood but so do loads of people. Its just the lame assed pleadings he's giving are making me see red.

His stepmother gets to pay for the luxury of his fake principles, doesn't sound too bad of a woman to me. His Dad is dead 4 years and she treats his as her own from what I can see.

And on top of that he's pointed to College. Fair enough, I dont have a problem with Rehabilitation, but its the whinings on top of that. HE should pay the bill for the 128 tyres. Why shouldn't he. As I said loads of people have hard times growing up.

/rant

Mike 1972

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

That's brilliant, is that in Dublin?

Nope Antrim

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I wish these taggers would start spray painting their favourite pieces of literature from their favourite anarchist material instead, but you know they've never actually read any of it...

Speaking of Anarchism Ive always wondered how Anarchist bookshops deal with shoplifters ?

El Siglo

rovert wrote: »

Everything in quotations is class:



Love this story :pac:

SENTENCED TO COLLEGE

For some reason this story reminds me of this chap...:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxucWmoQfN0

Dennis the Stone

Mr Garnet Orange BL

Ha ha.

sponsoredwalk

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Speaking of Anarchism Ive always wondered how Anarchist bookshops deal with shoplifters ?

lol, I'd say they encourage it

No, anarchism has nothing to do with theft, but then again what do I know, I've only read about it, I'm not hardcore like those taggers and their refusal to OBAY :pac:

Herb Powell

If he was stoned, I thought he wouldn't have been fcked walking around slashing tires

Mike 1972

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

No, anarchism has nothing to do with theft,

Used to work with this guy who reckoned he was a "Christian Anarchist"

Could never figure that one out I mean:
Christianity = "Thou shalt not do this.....Thou shalt not do that"
Anarchism = "Do what ya bleedin like ???"

I never decided to ask though. Not so much out of concerns over discussing religion and/or politics at work as concerns over encouraging the guy to spout (even more) shyte

El Siglo

Why hasn't this not been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQkActP-isE

sponsoredwalk

Mike 1972 wrote: »

"Christian Anarchist"

:eek:

'nuff said

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Anarchism = "Do what ya bleedin like ???"

I get what your saying but that's not a correct characterization of anarchism, that is anarchy in the demonized sense of the word :pac:
You should read that essay, it's interesting & if you ever meet your christian anarchist friend I'm sure you could school him with some basic facts in an informed way :cool:

Pittens

anarchism is ****. Anti-Captialists have some points but generally no solutions.

That said, as a centre rightist who sees the State as the greater enemy I dont care if this guy goes to jail or not. If he can pay back ( his debt to society), and save the State money in Jail costs so be it. This wasn't violent, it was political, and nor was it the kind of politics which demanded or could cause violence against an individual. Nor was it breaking and entering - which is more serious as it reduces people's confidence in their home, nor was violence threatened or implied against a person - which is always the case with muggings.

So, Well done judge.

ScumLord

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

:eek:

'nuff said



I get what your saying but that's not a correct characterization of anarchism, that is anarchy in the demonized sense of the word :pac:
You should read that essay, it's interesting & if you ever meet your christian anarchist friend I'm sure you could school him with some basic facts in an informed way :cool:

Is that not the same as Satanists saying the devils just misunderstood and he's really a nice guy?

Mike 1972

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

:eek:

'nuff said

Worse than the Romans are they ?

Herb Powell wrote: »

If he was stoned, I thought he wouldn't have been fcked walking around slashing tires

Must have been crappy soapbar

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

that is anarchy in the demonized sense of the word :pac:

TBH Anarchy is so widely misunderstood and misconstrued to mean a state of lawlwss chaos to the extent that the term is really beyond reclaiming and the original concept is in need of a complete rebrand and its about time that someone told this to the leader of the Anarchist party :pac:

Stark

She said she also wants to see if he gets into a degree course he is planning to do.

Typical, greedy capitalist pig oppressing the common man as always.

Mike 1972

Stark wrote: »

Typical, greedy capitalist pig oppressing the common man as always.

What is the degree in

Business studies ?

Andrew33

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

, "question everything"

I have lived my life by that mantra, not always easy but always entertaining.
Never just "accept"

evercloserunion

What a knacker. Having a gripe with capitalism is all well and good (who doesn't these days) but the vast majority of these cars were probably owned by good hard-working people who don't own any banks or anything of the sort.

sponsoredwalk

Pittens wrote: »

anarchism is ****. Anti-Captialists have some points but generally no solutions.

Ah Pittens, I'm still waiting on a response to all of the nonsense you posted about Religion earlier

I don't know how many things you've called **** at this stage, funny how you couldn't defend this slanderous characterization.

Pittens wrote: »

as a centre rightist who sees the State as the greater enemy

That explains why you accused me of being a liberal in a derrogatory manner. I suppose Milton Friedman & his Chicago Boys absolute destruction of Chile would be more to your liking

Pittens wrote: »

aI dont care if this guy goes to jail or not. If he can pay back ( his debt to society), and save the State money in Jail costs so be it.

Excusing justice at the expense of money, that does sound like a right-wing ideological stetement alright...

Pittens wrote: »

aThis wasn't violent, it was political, and nor was it the kind of politics which demanded or could cause violence against an individual. Nor was it breaking and entering - which is more serious as it reduces people's confidence in their home, nor was violence threatened or implied against a person - which is always the case with muggings.

You can't be serious, look how misguided the fellow was, he went out and slashed tyre's after watching a youtube video. That is psychological insanity & screams out for a better explanation.

That is hardly a political matter, it was frustration & extreme stupidity.

Pittens wrote: »

So, Well done judge.

I agree

ScumLord wrote: »

Is that not the same as Satanists saying the devils just misunderstood and he's really a nice guy?

I'm sure it seems that way to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about either Satanism or Anarchism as a political ideology.

Mike 1972

evercloserunion wrote: »

good hard-working people who don't own any banks or anything of the sort.

Since Nationalisation in theory we all own the banks

on the other hand since NAMA the banks all own us

DonkeyStyle \o/

Under arrest, a member of poject mayhem has a name; his name is Michael Somers. :pac:

omahaid

Who pays for the tyre damage? Don't tell me its the car owners who get stuck for the bill

Mike 1972

caused €22,314 worth of damage to the vehicles .....adjouring the case for over a year to let Somers "put his money where his mouth is."......has already paid over €1,000 in compensation.

Seemingly its being repaid over thirty years

Cheap Thrills!

Looks like 77 were owned by a car Dealership and the rest (51?) were private cars along the route..

sponsoredwalk

Cheap Thrills! wrote: »

Looks like 77 were owned by a car Dealership and the rest (51?) were private cars along the route..

I know that place, got some nice cars in the yard sometimes.

30 years is a long time, that would be such an annoyance but it's good that he's doing it & paying that back will be a constant reminder to cop the ƒuck on

Pittens

Ah Pittens, I'm still waiting on a response to all of the nonsense you posted about Religion earlier

i get daily email alerts which stops me replying to threads as they happen, anyway i won that argument, in my own little mind.

That explains why you accused me of being a liberal in a derrogatory manner. I suppose Milton Friedman & his Chicago Boys absolute destruction of Chile would be more to your liking

I used the term "liberal" too loosely in that thread. However am not a libertarian, nor a Friedmanite at all - centre right I said. I am, after all, defending the non-jailing of an anti-capitalist anarchist in this thread.

Excusing justice at the expense of money, that does sound like a right-wing ideological stetement alright...

Plenty of left-wingers make that case for non-violent offences.


You are right about my over-use of the word "****". I will stop that right away.

ScumLord

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

I'm sure it seems that way to somebody who knows absolutely nothing about either Satanism or Anarchism as a political ideology.

All political ideology is deeply flawed when it's put forward as an ultimate way of doing things. I wouldn't ever constrict myself to one or two ideologys I think it's absurd to do so. It's what annoys me about politics in general "we have this book, so far 60% of it's been either inefficient or just counter-productive but we're sticking with it anyway".

Satanists I just don't get, it's rewriting the rules to suit your fashion sense.

Andrew33

I'm not sure but do Insurance companys cover tyres? If somebody slashed my tyres I'd be out of business cos I couldn't afford the replacement cost. I think the moron who committed this crime should meet some of his victims, not in a violent manner, just so he can see how much damage he has done to ordinary people.

Capt'n Midnight

omahaid wrote: »

Who pays for the tyre damage? Don't tell me its the car owners who get stuck for the bill

should also have to pay for taxi's , loss of earning and other losses arising from his selfish action

The big capitalist tyre companies win.

if you hate cars, get a bike and cycle slowly blocking traffic :rolleyes:

if you take drugs voluntarily then you should accept the consequences of taking them. IMHO a drunk driver that kills someone should be up on a manslaughter charge

starbelgrade

This thread is a bit of a let down. After reading it, I feel slightly deflated.

ChocolateSauce

The cannabis mention annoys me. He didn't do this because he was drunk or stoned, he did it because he's an angry immature know-nothing who thinks it's somehow cool to victimise people who have committed the crime of buying a car.

When I'm drunk and stoned all I want to do is dance and frolic or get sick.

filthymcnasty

When I'm drunk and stoned all I want to do is dance and frolic or get sick.[/QUOTE]

agree with all bar the dance bit