UFO's - Do you believe?

Biggins

Just reading about Stanton Friedman (HERE), a man that stated "some UFOs are intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft, and this is the biggest story of the millennium."

Before anyone can say, here we go, we have another nutter (besides myself ), Stanton was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for companies like General Electric, General Motors, Westinghouse and Aerojet General Nucleonics.
He worked on highly classified programs involving nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets.
With 53 years of serious study apparently of the subject, he seems to know his stuff.

So I ask my fellow boardies - do you believe that (a) secrets are being withheld from us in regards to the actual existence of UFO's and (b) if they do actually exist?

mink_man

yes stevo hawkings said there is so there is!

drunkmonkey

We are the Aliens

Karl Hungus

Biggins wrote: »

Before anyone can say, here we go, we have another nutter (besides myself ), Stanton was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for companies like General Electric, General Motors, Westinghouse and Aerojet General Nucleonics.
He worked on highly classified programs involving nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets.
With 53 years of serious study apparently of the subject, he seems to know his stuff.

That doesn't rule out the possibility of him being wrong though, does it? In fact, you can be a genius and still have crazy crackpot beliefs.

KnifeWRENCH

I don't believe secrets are being withheld from us in regards to the actual existence of UFO's, because I'm not a paranoid conspiracy-theory nut.

I believe that there are other life forms somewhere in the Universe; I feel like there has to be something somewhere because, as Douglas Adams put it "Space is big. Really big."
As to whether they actually travel around in flying saucers; nah, don't think so. Think that just comes from watching too much sci-fi.

Karl Hungus

I believe we're being lied to by our governments about whether or not the Knife-Wrench is actually practical and safe. It's pressure from the Knife-Wrench lobbyists.

bluto63

I voted to bring back Bosco and nothing else.

Fratton Fred

Duh, there are 26 ships floating above the worlds major cities right now, don't you watch Sky News....(Or was it SyFy, I get those two mixed up)

Fratton Fred

Damn, I voted "I love Biggins". I thought it said Biguns.

KnifeWRENCH

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I believe we're being lied to by our governments about whether or not the Knife-Wrench is actually practical and safe. It's pressure from the Knife-Wrench lobbyists.

Of course it's practical and safe. "Knife-WREEENCH....for kids!"

*accidentally stabs self*

Owww.....

On another note: I REALLY like this poll!

mink_man

wow what a waste of time put into making the poll....

My name is URL

I don't think the full details and knowledge that governments (esp the US) hold regarding UFOs have been disclosed

Interesting video here from a former US legislator asking for the government to disclose info which he believes they hold - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrK2YgfjnHo

jd007

ha! Best poll i've seen in a while!

On topic, yes I do believe in UFO's/aliens and also think they've definitely been here. After watching the disclosure project on youtube I do think the US government is hiding something from us.

Karl Hungus

I voted I love Biggins.

alwaysadub

Best poll ever Biggins :pac:


i'm not sure about ufo's in the traditional sense of the word, like with little green men in them, but i do think that there is more than just us living in all the galaxies .

Daemos

OP if you have the time to do that poll, you seriously need to get a life

Second post in a row where I've slagged you off, sorry

mink_man

sure didnt they land in america somewhere years ago...roswell....thats where area 51 or whatever it is is....

Pherekydes

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

On another note: I REALLY like this poll!

Me too. But why isn't there an "I love this Poll" option?

Well, Biggins?

I voted "Don't cry for me, Argentina".

The_Kew_Tour

Why the hell so many polls?

No they dont exist just like Santa.

Mike 1972

What a stupid question

Of course UFO's exist

Anytime you see something in the Sky and ask yourself "what the is that ?" Youve seen a UFO

Once youve determined that it is a bird/a plane/superman the UFO becomes an IFO

ScumLord

There's no way the human race could keep this secret. If Aliens where talking to the yanks and any other country found out there'd be uproar, any country that would be speaking to them would want the deal to be exclusive. There's practically no way the aliens could play each country off each other because we'd do everything to find out what deal the others are getting.

Gossip, power and greed make secrets damn near impossible to keep.

Pherekydes

To be serious, since life has evolved somewhere in the universe, the probability that it has done so twice (or any other multiple of one) is equal to one.

dlofnep

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I don't believe secrets are being withheld from us in regards to the actual existence of UFO's, because I'm not a paranoid conspiracy-theory nut.

You don't have to be a paranoid conspiracy-nut to consider the idea that Government's may wish to withhold information of that nature. Such an argument is silly, and reduces any chance of having a serious discussion.

Consider this.

The possibility of intelligent life existing outside of Earth is extremely high. The possibility of such intelligent life wishing to explore, by virtue of a curious nature of intelligent life - would also be very high. So the chances of life outside earth having visited us isn't beyond the realms of reality.

So with that in mind. We must then examine reasons for why a Government might supress such information? For one - to avoid mass hysteria.

Common arguments against my above points are as follows.

• But how could they travel so far?
• Even if they could travel such distances, why would they?

One would be naive if they thought that advanced intelligent life would be confined to our technology. Curiosity would drive them to seek out other intelligent life.

I'm not saying for sure that we have been visited - but nobody can say for sure that we have not.

Voodu Child

I believe it's highly probable that there is intelligent life on Earth, and I hope someday to encounter it.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Biggins... What in the fcuk???

Biggins

Karl Hungus wrote: »

...In fact, you can be a genius and still have crazy crackpot beliefs.

I hear that all the time said about me.

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I believe we're being lied to by our governments about whether or not the Knife-Wrench is actually practical and safe. It's pressure from the Knife-Wrench lobbyists.

Who? Wot? Where? :eek:

bluto63 wrote: »

I voted to bring back Bosco and nothing else.

Take two paracetamol. You might feel better in the morning.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Duh, there are 26 ships floating above the worlds major cities right now, don't you watch Sky News....(Or was it SyFy, I get those two mixed up)

You too!

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Damn, I voted "I love Biggins". I thought it said Biguns.

You can still love me for that reason too!

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

...On another note: I REALLY like this poll!

Aaa shucks.

mink_man wrote: »

wow what a waste of time put into making the poll....

Better this than my wandering hands at the wife again. She needs a break! :pac:

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think the full details and knowledge that governments (esp the US) hold regarding UFOs have been disclosed
Interesting video here from a former US legislator asking for the government to disclose info which he believes they hold - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrK2YgfjnHo

Cheers.

jd007 wrote: »

ha! Best poll i've seen in a while.

I feel your love.

Karl Hungus wrote: »

I voted I love Biggins.

Thats it... I'm organising an orgy.

alwaysadub wrote: »

Best poll ever Biggins :pac:

Yes, you can come too.

DaPoolRulz wrote: »

OP if you have the time to do that poll, you seriously need to get a life

Second post in a row where I've slagged you off, sorry

I'm used to it at least three times daily. :pac:

Pherekydes wrote: »

Me too. But why isn't there an "I love this Poll" option?

Well, Biggins?.

I forgot to add it with due to borderline madness interfering with my dying higher brain functions. :pac:

Maddux Shaggy Tapestry wrote: »

Biggins... What in the fcuk???

No, in the tick box, ya daft bugger!

RMD

Considering how vast space is and the millions of stars and planets throughout it, it's illogical to think planet Earth is the only place of life in space.

There certainly is some interesting videos of UFOs on the internet, not to mention the conspiracy around Roswell, area 51 and area S4.

Paddy Samurai

Unidentified Flying Objects?..................yea of couse they exist,to say otherwise is daft.

midlandsmissus

They exist.

If you think about it, it's so blatantly obvious they exist.
But we have all been conditioned to think of it as crazy.

Think of it this way:

Say Your neighbour tells you he saw an alien, what would your immediate response be? I'm betting it would be 'you're crazy!'.

But why - if you think about it logically there are bound to be other lifeforms out there. It makes more sense that there is than there isn't.

When there is something that you have an immediate set reaction to , such as 'that's crazy'....this is something you have been conditioned to think.

Try to think outside the box...

Antamojo

Of all the options in the poll I don't see Atari Jaguar.... WHAT THE ****?

Sea Sharp

I believe that they do exist but are more likely top-secret aircraft than extra terrestrial beings.

The reason they're being kept secret is that if any technology was introduced that removed the need for fossil fuels the whole global economy would grind to a halt and there would no longer be any motivation for us as a species to evolve socially.

And that would be a massive shame because the 'evil capitalist society' we all frown upon was the driving force behind the 21st century environment and this environment is a hell of a lot better than for that of any other people that have lived throughout history.

Biggins

Antamojo wrote: »

Of all the options in the poll I don't see Atari Jaguar.... WHAT THE ****?

:pac:

After the first four options, what do you think the other ones really are?

Mike 1972

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Say Your neighbour tells you he saw an alien, what would your immediate response be? I'm betting it would be 'you're crazy!'.

But why - if you think about it logically there are bound to be other lifeforms out there. It makes more sense that there is than there isn't.

Say Your neighbour tells you he just saw Elvis, what would your immediate response be? I'm betting it would be 'you're crazy!'.

But why - if you think about it logically he might have just come back from Graceland with a shovel where he devised some ingenious scheme to get past security and exhume the corpse

On balance Id still go with the "Crazy" option though

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I would find it hard to believe that our planet is the only planet in existence that contains some form of intelligent life. I think there would be quite a few planets with intelligent life. Now to say that life has evolved to the point where they can travel millions/thousands of light years and found us is just speculation and possibly improbable?

KnifeWRENCH

dlofnep wrote: »

You don't have to be a paranoid conspiracy-nut to consider the idea that Government's may wish to withhold information of that nature. Such an argument is silly, and reduces any chance of having a serious discussion.

Meh, the "conspiracy theory nut" remark was tongue-in-cheek. It's not totally outside the realms of impossibility, I suppose, but I do think it's highly unlikely that Governments keep information like that hidden. Or, indeed, highly unlikely that they have that information in the first place.

OutlawPete

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHfSmf4DDK4

midlandsmissus

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Say Your neighbour tells you he just saw Elvis, what would your immediate response be? I'm betting it would be 'you're crazy!'.

But why - if you think about it logically he might have just come back from Graceland with a shovel where he devised some ingenious scheme to get past security and exhume the corpse

On balance Id still go with the "Crazy" option though

Elvis is dead, so yes my response would be 'you're crazy', going by current physical laws as we know them.

But why, if some-one told you they saw an alien would you say they're crazy?

I'm not making fun of you, and it's not a rhetorical question, I'm curious as to what your answer is...?
Why is it crazy?

Biggins

I'm a runnin' now... Cheers 'Pete for the tip-off.
They won't take me alive I tell ya!

dlofnep

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

Meh, the "conspiracy theory nut" remark was tongue-in-cheek. It's not totally outside the realms of impossibility, I suppose, but I do think it's highly unlikely that Governments keep information like that hidden. Or, indeed, highly unlikely that they have that information in the first place.

Why is it unlikely? Jsut curious. Not trying to badger you.

Diabhal Beag

*waits for Run to da Hills*

KnifeWRENCH

I suppose I just feel that if there was ever contact with extraterrestrial life that the Government wouldn't go to extreme lengths to hide it. It'd surely be pretty difficult to hide also; it would eventually get out one way or another.

With all that said, I don't think we will ever actually come into contact with any other life forms. The Milky Way is just one galaxy; there could be intelligent life in other galaxies that are simply just too far away to ever detect. Plus, who's to say other life forms would ever want contact with us?

OutlawPete

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

*waits for Run to da Hills*

They're not playing until the 30th of July.

Ba-dum-tish!

dlofnep

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I suppose I just feel that if there was ever contact with extraterrestrial life that the Government wouldn't go to extreme lengths to hide it. It'd surely be pretty difficult to hide also; it would eventually get out one way or another.

But with 1000's of sightings, and government officials who have spoken about them - there is a hint of suggestion that the Governments may be hiding something. I mean - a man who walked on the moon fully believes that his Government is supressing information. It's not all crackpots and drunks.

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

With all that said, I don't think we will ever actually come into contact with any other life forms. The Milky Way is just one galaxy; there could be intelligent life in other galaxies that are simply just too far away to ever detect. Plus, who's to say other life forms would ever want contact with us?

Too far for us? Yes. Too far for an advanced lifeform? Maybe not. That's a huge conclusion to jump to without ever considering that their technology might be able to travel great distances in a short time.

Secondly - The Milky Way is huge. It has between 200-400 billion stars. Why should we be the only advanced forms of life, given those numbers?

midlandsmissus

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I suppose I just feel that if there was ever contact with extraterrestrial life that the Government wouldn't go to extreme lengths to hide it. It'd surely be pretty difficult to hide also; it would eventually get out one way or another.

With all that said, I don't think we will ever actually come into contact with any other life forms. The Milky Way is just one galaxy; there could be intelligent life in other galaxies that are simply just too far away to ever detect. Plus, who's to say other life forms would ever want contact with us?

I'll say this about what I am about to post, I want to tell it, but at the same time am worried that people will think I'm a nut. I'm as socially conditioned as the rest of us, and it's hard to break out of the mold. And no-one wants to be thought of as crazy.

However I've developed far enough that I can now talk about this, this has been happening to me for years and years, and I would never have dreamed of speaking of it before because I was so worried about what people would think.

Now I can say it.

To me saying "I believe in aliens" is like saying "I believe in this computer in front of me", ...there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever. It's not a belief... I know it to be true...if that makes sense.

I have been taken by aliens....it's scary saying this to others believe me...this is a hard thing to do. But it's true and believe me I never wanted it to happen, and if it never happened again I'd be very happy. The fear is like no other.

I think other people have had experiences but the majority are afraid of saying anything for fear of looking like a nut...

midlandsmissus

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

I suppose I just feel that if there was ever contact with extraterrestrial life that the Government wouldn't go to extreme lengths to hide it. It'd surely be pretty difficult to hide also; it would eventually get out one way or another.

With all that said, I don't think we will ever actually come into contact with any other life forms. The Milky Way is just one galaxy; there could be intelligent life in other galaxies that are simply just too far away to ever detect. Plus, who's to say other life forms would ever want contact with us?

"It would eventually get out there one way or another" - it is out there, it's right in front of you.

You don't have to hide things physically from people. What's the best way to hide something from people? Tell them it's impossible.

Hank_Jones

That was some funky poll.
I voted for the when do these poll questions end?
It was like they were going to go on forever.

Aliens? UFOs?

I don't really know.
Nothing in my life has led me to believe that there are actually aliens etc out there and until I encounter something personally,
I will continue in that vain of thought.

I'm not going to just believe something because someone else says it is true.
Sure what kind of person would do that?

Teutorix

Alien life almost definitely exists somewhere, UFOs abducting people and probing them is much less likely.

Winty

What do the Catholic Church say on UFO's?

IvySlayer

Right, I ticked every box muahahaha :pac:

Now I've had my fun, I do believe there are aliens are there. I don't think any of them have visited earth.

dlofnep

Winty wrote: »

What do the Catholic Church say on UFO's?

"Do they do anal?"

PeterIanStaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY