looking for a PT to get me started on starting strength

showmetheway

I want to start starting strength but I would like some proper instruction on all the exercises first,especially the deadlift

Is there anyone here that can help me?

Also can I substitute db bench press for bb bench as I dont have a spotter?

d'Oracle

showmetheway wrote: »

Also can I substitute db bench press for bb bench as I dont have a spotter?

You can to a point. A DB bench press and a barbell bench press are two very different exercises. You will probably out grow the usefulness of the DBs fairly quickly.

Will you be training at a gym or at home?

showmetheway

ill be a at a gym

maxxie

the instructors at the gym mate will be able to show you how to safely do the exercises.

they would be happy to help!

d'Oracle

showmetheway wrote: »

ill be a at a gym

You probably won't need a spotter for the first couple of sessions, after that, I Highly recommend that you just ask someone to help.

And with all respect for the fine traditions of gym instruction, most gyms will not have staff knowledgeable enough to teach you how to deadlift or Low Bar Back Squat safely. Finding a PT was a good idea OP.

ragg

Most people in the gym will spot you if you ask them.
Many of them, might think they are being helpful and try to lift the bar for you. So just make sure to explain that you will let them know when you need help.

TommyKnocker

Hi There

I am doing strong lifts 5x5 (similar to starting strength) and bench without a spotter. I am currently benching slightly above body weight with no problem.

The benches in my gym have spotter bars. So I set the bars to the required hight, then if I fail on any of my lifts, I can set the bar down on the spotter bars and wriggle out from underneath it. No harm done.


Best Regards,

M

d'Oracle

ragg wrote: »

Most people in the gym will spot you if you ask them.
Many of them, might think they are being helpful and try to lift the bar for you. So just make sure to explain that you will let them know when you need help.

+1
"Its not a rep if someone else touches the bar."

Words to live by.

token

showmetheway wrote: »

I want to start starting strength but I would like some proper instruction on all the exercises first,especially the deadlift

Is there anyone here that can help me?

I got PT sessions from Colm O'Reilly from Crossfit Ireland when I wanted to do Starting Strength al most two years ago now. He teachs the lifts as described in the SS book. He posts on here or you could get his contact details from crossfit.ie website.

GSOIRL

B-Builder wrote: »

Hi There

I am doing strong lifts 5x5 (similar to starting strength) and bench without a spotter. I am currently benching slightly above body weight with no problem.

The benches in my gym have spotter bars. So I set the bars to the required hight, then if I fail on any of my lifts, I can set the bar down on the spotter bars and wriggle out from underneath it. No harm done.


Best Regards,

M

Does this not mean you can't do a full rep?

d'Oracle

GSOIRL wrote: »

Does this not mean you can't do a full rep?

Not if you bench properly.

TommyKnocker

GSOIRL wrote: »

Does this not mean you can't do a full rep?

No. Barbell touches chest, across the nipples as it should.

The spotter bars are probably about half an inch lower again.

If I failed the bar would rest on my chest a bit, but the spotter bars would take most fo the weight, and there is just enough room to wriggle out from under it.

Thankfully I haven't needed to use this escape route yet, but I have tested it with light weight on the barbell, just to get the adjustment right for the spotter bars.


Best Regards,

M

kodute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA

Anything with Mark Rippetoe on youtube should be good. You shouldn't need instruction for these exercises if you follow the instructions to the letter, but if it makes you feel better then go for it.

d'Oracle

kodute wrote: »

Anything with Mark Rippetoe on youtube should be good. You shouldn't need instruction for these exercises if you follow the instructions to the letter, but if it makes you feel better then go for it.

Mark Rippetoe would probably tell you that that is BS.
If he thought a handful of Youtube vids were adequate, then he probably would not have written the two books, or designed the seminars.

ray jay

there's a starting strength dvd which demonstrates the squat, deadlift, power clean, overhead press and bench press. It's a decent way to see the actual form of exercises and common mistakes in and corrections for people's form, but there's way more info in the book

kodute

d'Oracle wrote: »

Mark Rippetoe would probably tell you that that is BS.
If he thought a handful of Youtube vids were adequate, then he probably would not have written the two books, or designed the seminars.

Pedantry aside, you may have had a bit of help along the way with extras but you started with the book/internet resources yes?

When you are starting, read the book then study the book. Get the lifts right by watching the way they are done right and then submitting videos here or elsewhere for critique.

Or just get a PT to show you, its your money at the end of the day.

d'Oracle

kodute wrote: »

Pedantry aside, you may have had a bit of help along the way with extras but you started with the book/internet resources yes?

When you are starting, read the book then study the book. Get the lifts right by watching the way they are done right and then submitting videos here or elsewhere for critique.

Or just get a PT to show you, its your money at the end of the day.

I started with the book.
I learned about the programme from the Wiki, but would not recommend that anybody else try to learn the lifts from it. It is of limited use except for the fact that some of the stuff on progression & advanced novice from PPST is explained there. I have seen a lot of internet resources and they are all next to useless compared to the book.

A good coach with a good eye and understanding of the material is invaluable. I learned a hell of a lot in the day I spent with Colm and Will in CrossFit. I also would very much hesitate to submit vids here for critique. The ratio of responses from folks who know to folks who don't is usually less than favourable.

And there is no pedantry there.

kodute

d'Oracle wrote: »

I started with the book.
I learned about the programme from the Wiki, but would not recommend that anybody else try to learn the lifts from it. It is of limited use except for the fact that some of the stuff on progression & advanced novice from PPST is explained there.

I also started with the book. Used stronglifts site, exrx, youtube then the SS dvd.
I would say that it depends entirely on the person if they can learn things from a book or have to be taught in person. Just two different methods of learning and its up to the individual to know where they fit.

d'Oracle wrote: »

A good coach with a good eye and understanding of the material is invaluable. I learned a hell of a lot in the day I spent with Colm and Will in CrossFit. I also would very much hesitate to submit vids here for critique. The ratio of responses from folks who know to folks who don't is usually less than favourable.

And there is no pedantry there.

No doubt the quality is better from face to face instruction because you get instant, informed feedback. But sometimes that isn't an option. For example I would trust those guys but my local gym attendant might tell me to use weight machines instead. :rolleyes:

Submit videos here then. This place can get silly sometimes but I'd still trust a few names around here.

d'Oracle

kodute wrote: »

Submit videos here then. This place can get silly sometimes but I'd still trust a few names around here.

Funny that a huge proportion of videos submitted there usually get, "Have you read the Book?" as a response....

kodute

d'Oracle wrote: »

Funny that a huge proportion of videos submitted there usually get, "Have you read the Book?" as a response....

Gotta love that no nonsense attitude. http://www.startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=17212

LFC5Times

d'Oracle wrote: »

I started with the book.
I learned about the programme from the Wiki, but would not recommend that anybody else try to learn the lifts from it. It is of limited use except for the fact that some of the stuff on progression & advanced novice from PPST is explained there. I have seen a lot of internet resources and they are all next to useless compared to the book.

A good coach with a good eye and understanding of the material is invaluable. I learned a hell of a lot in the day I spent with Colm and Will in CrossFit. I also would very much hesitate to submit vids here for critique. The ratio of responses from folks who know to folks who don't is usually less than favourable.

And there is no pedantry there.

How much did it cost you for a day learning the different lifts?

Like the OP, I would be interested in learning the lifts properly from a FT as looking at starting "Starting Strength" also.

brianthebard

kodute wrote: »

I also started with the book. Used stronglifts site, exrx, youtube then the SS dvd.
I would say that it depends entirely on the person if they can learn things from a book or have to be taught in person. Just two different methods of learning and its up to the individual to know where they fit.

with respect I don't think the two methods are comparable. I learned to lift on my own but its taken a long time and I'm still working on my form. If I had someone competent to watch my lifting I could improve and progress at a much better speed. Yes you can learn without a trainer but its not the same or equal to getting coached.

d'Oracle

LFC5Times wrote: »

How much did it cost you for a day learning the different lifts?

Like the OP, I would be interested in learning the lifts properly from a FT as looking at starting "Starting Strength" also.

The lads run a one day introduction to the lifts from time to time.
You should keep an eye on crossfit.ie. There is an events section there it might pop up again.

I have seen "Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training" recommended by some top strength guys, not least Jim Wendler.
Its well worth the buy.

LFC5Times

d'Oracle wrote: »

The lads run a one day introduction to the lifts from time to time.
You should keep an eye on crossfit.ie. There is an events section there it might pop up again.

I have seen "Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training" recommended by some top strength guys, not least Jim Wendler.
Its well worth the buy.

Cheers, will have a look out for it.

I actually bought the book a few weeks back and have bits of it so far.

discus

showmetheway wrote: »

I want to start starting strength but I would like some proper instruction on all the exercises first,especially the deadlift

Is there anyone here that can help me?

Also can I substitute db bench press for bb bench as I dont have a spotter?

I went to the the crew at Informed Performance in Glasnevin 4 months ago and never looked back. I saw no point in paying for a PT when these guys are there watching most of your lifts as you do them. They have a place southside to if that's your location.