Traveller head stones at Drumcliff cemetary.

Run_to_da_hills

I couldn't get over the size of some of the travellers head stones at this cemetery. Some must be at least 10 times the size of some of the more discrete plots.

How would someone feel if they purchased a family plot for their loved ones and next thing one of these hideous monstrosities appeared right beside it.

Planning permission should be sought for any headstone in a cemetery and a special designated area should be made available for those that want something extraordinary. .

irishturkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I couldn't get over the size of some of the travellers head stones at this cemetery. Some must be at least 10 times the size of some of the more discrete plots.

How would someone feel if they purchased a family plot for their loved ones and next thing one of these hideous monstrosities appeared right beside it.

Planning permission should be sought for any headstone in a cemetery and a special designated area should be made available for those that want something extraordinary. .

Couldn't agree more but you know what you're in for now.... RACIST!!! The pc brigade will have a field day with this

firesidechat

I'm very confident that those buried in the adjacent graves are not complaining or really give a toss for that matter.
Those that visit the graves for the very most would only have to look at them for no more than 5 minutes anyway.
If it gives the families comfort, what harm is it doing.?

golfball37

It never ceases to amaze me how a "poor" family on the dole can afford a 70k headstone.
:mad:

irishturkey

golfball37 wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how a "poor" family on the dole can afford a 70k headstone.
:mad:

and Porsche Cayennes

Fighting Irish

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I couldn't get over the size of some of the travellers head stones at this cemetery. Some must be at least 10 times the size of some of the more discrete plots.

How would someone feel if they purchased a family plot for their loved ones and next thing one of these hideous monstrosities appeared right beside it.

Planning permission should be sought for any headstone in a cemetery and a special designated area should be made available for those that want something extraordinary. .

jealousy is a b1tch

Fighting Irish

golfball37 wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how a "poor" family on the dole can afford a 70k headstone.
:mad:

Because they don't give a fook, they live their lives the way they want to live them, and fair fooks to them

Morlar

Not sure if I have seen the drumcliff ones but have seen pics of other ones which were totally obnoxious and should not be permitted.

It would be upsetting to dignified grieving relatives to have a a monster-truck style oversized tasteless monstrosity of a headstone placed beside a loved one.

They are completely out of character and not in keeping with the concept of dignity you'd expect in an Irish cemetery. This has nothing to do with discrimination or jealousy, and it's not envy of a proclaimed 'maverick' mentality - it's about taste and respect for others.

Clareman

Last time I was up there all I could think of what Only Fools and Horses when they painted their mother's headstone with luminous paint

Run_to_da_hills

Fighting Irish wrote: »

jealousy is a b1tch

It would make more sense to spend the 70K+ in this life.

BTW I would choose cremation.

soccymonster

What's wrong with just a normal sized one?
I really don't get some people at times.
And it wouldn't be just people of the travelling community, there's just some people out there that can't respect others.

Yea, they can choose how they want their loved ones grave to look like but it's kinda ridiculous when you could use the money on something else like supporting the deceased's next in kin or something. I'm sure that's how they'd want the money to be used and not on some big flashy stone.

But some people shur....

Shapey Fiend

I'd be nice to keep a certain level of taste across the board keep things looking tidy. But it's such a big cemetary at this stage I don't think it has much character to maintain anyway.

Run_to_da_hills

Not many know this but there is an ancient bylaw going back to 1873 stating that persons living within 2 miles of Drumcliff Cemetary cannot be burried there.

firesidechat

Interesting.
I wonder what was the thinking behind such a law.
Anyone have any info ?

Run_to_da_hills

firesidechat wrote: »

Interesting.
I wonder what was the thinking behind such a law.
Anyone have any info ?

Yes, if people are still living how can they possibly be burried.

Fighting Irish

soccymonster wrote: »

What's wrong with just a normal sized one?
I really don't get some people at times.
And it wouldn't be just people of the travelling community, there's just some people out there that can't respect others.

Yea, they can choose how they want their loved ones grave to look like but it's kinda ridiculous when you could use the money on something else like supporting the deceased's next in kin or something. I'm sure that's how they'd want the money to be used and not on some big flashy stone.

But some people shur....

travellers are religious people, and they want to send their love ones off the way they want to send them off, simple as


what's wrong with a normal sized car, why do people buy bigger/better cars? because they can afford to and want to

Fighting Irish

firesidechat wrote: »

Interesting.
I wonder what was the thinking behind such a law.
Anyone have any info ?

religion

MiciG91

Ya fair enough but not when they get the ****ing beggars plot :mad:

Blackjack

I think it's nice that they can use their Dole money in this way. Clearly, they are in need of this handout.

oneway2

The Da always liked airplanes, so in the 1990s when the offer came up to purchase a plot in Dardestown cemetery, under the approach flight path at Dublin airport, he jumped at it. He got the cancer about 7 years ago and he’s there now.

At the back of his plot is a row of Traveller’s graves. And yes, they’re quite big and ornate. Sometimes when I’m up there talking to the Da or asking him for advice I meet the Travellers and we always talk about the graves, their sons and brothers who are buried there.

The real deal is that I fly about once a week and always get a seat in “A”, at the window. This means I get to see my Da about once a week. I give him the thumbs-up as we come in to land. Now hurtling towards Collinstown runway at about 200 kmph in a metal tube full of highly flammable liquid makes finding one headstone in a cemetery a bit difficult, but this is where the Travellers come in. Even at this speed from the window of an Airbus 321 I can pick out the tall Traveller’s headstones, I can then pick out my Da’s as the one at the back.

So thanks to the Travellers I get to see my dead Da about once a week. Deadly serious.

Drake66

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I couldn't get over the size of some of the travellers head stones at this cemetery. Some must be at least 10 times the size of some of the more discrete plots.

How would someone feel if they purchased a family plot for their loved ones and next thing one of these hideous monstrosities appeared right beside it.

Planning permission should be sought for any headstone in a cemetery and a special designated area should be made available for those that want something extraordinary. .

As far as I know it is ultimately up to the local authority to impose a height limit. There was some kerfuffle about this issue on the radio ages ago. RTE where interviewing people regarding gravestones in a certain cemetery which had been built so massive that they were in danger of toppling over. The councils need to get off their asses on this. It is absolutely unseemly going to a graveyard to grieve only to be surrounded by these vulgar and potentially dangerous monuments. Perhaps a uniform size for all gravestones would be better.

firesidechat

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes, if people are still living how can they possibly be burried.

Run to da hills 1
Fireside chat 0

Fighting Irish

Drake66 wrote: »

As far as I know it is ultimately up to the local authority to impose a height limit. There was some kerfuffle about this issue on the radio ages ago. RTE where interviewing people regarding gravestones in a certain cemetery which had been built so massive that they were in danger of toppling over. The councils need to get off their asses on this. It is absolutely unseemly going to a graveyard to grieve only to be surrounded by these vulgar and potentially dangerous monuments. Perhaps a uniform size for all gravestones would be better.

No

irishturkey

Fighting Irish wrote: »

travellers are religious people, and they want to send their love ones off the way they want to send them off, simple as


what's wrong with a normal sized car, why do people buy bigger/better cars? because they can afford to and want to

Islamic extremists are religious people, should we let them bomb the western world in the name of Allah or Mohammed or whoever they think they're representing?

Didn't think so, so why let travellers take all dignity and humility out of the graveyards? They're one of the last places in the country that the Celtic Tiger hasn't managed to cash in on, one of the last places someone can go to reflect on life.. or death! But we're supposed to give that up to a group who, in my opinion, play the victim card far too often for my liking. I'm all for respecting other poeples rights, just so long as "other people" can respect my rights.

Fighting Irish

irishturkey wrote: »

Islamic extremists are religious people, should we let them bomb the western world in the name of Allah or Mohammed or whoever they think they're representing?

Didn't think so, so why let travellers take all dignity and humility out of the graveyards? They're one of the last places in the country that the Celtic Tiger hasn't managed to cash in on, one of the last places someone can go to reflect on life.. or death! But we're supposed to give that up to a group who, in my opinion, play the victim card far too often for my liking. I'm all for respecting other poeples rights, just so long as "other people" can respect my rights.

lol @ even comparing the two

Travellers do play the victim card, i agree, and i also say fair fooks to them because it this day and age it's the only way to get ahead in life.
Society is set up so that if you play by the rules you rarely come out on top, so why even try

irishturkey

Its kinda going off topic now, we're verging into the merits of being a scrounger or trying to earn a living, instead of whether you should be allowed to erect a monstrosity in a place of peace and reflection.

I've made my case. Being a self proclaimed "ethnic minority" doesn't give people the right to do what they want purely because they can get away with it.

If you do wish to discuss the aforementioned merits, start the thread...

Fighting Irish

irishturkey wrote: »

Its kinda going off topic now, we're verging into the merits of being a scrounger or trying to earn a living, instead of whether you should be allowed to erect a monstrosity in a place of peace and reflection.

I've made my case. Being a self proclaimed "ethnic minority" doesn't give people the right to do what they want purely because they can get away with it.

If you do wish to discuss the aforementioned merits, start the thread...

Ok so what if they found maddy mccann(or someone high profile), would people react in the same way if her parents had a big fook off gravestone?

irishturkey

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Ok so what if they found maddy mccann(or someone high profile), would people react in the same way if her parents had a big fook off gravestone?

I'd hope so. The one difference in that is that her disappearance is, and possible subsequent death would be a tragedy. A memorial like that would be used as a symbol for a life "taken too soon", or as a place where people suffering similar traumas could go to reflect and possibly draw hope. If something similar happened within the travelling community I'd expect people to make allowances, I'd like to think I would. The problem is that even if a child from the travelling community was to die in such circumstances, the grave would be lost within the rest of the headstones and memorials that are way over the top. So what happens then? Do they go ten feet higher just to make sure its more prominent than the others?

The headstones in Drumcliff aren't all tragic cases of "gone before their time" so there's no reason for them to be shoved into peoples eyeline.

Is it really asking too much that they might conform with society for once? And then if something like the above did occur, people might have a semblance of pity for the situation they're in.

User Friendly

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I couldn't get over the size of some of the travellers head stones at this cemetery. Some must be at least 10 times the size of some of the more discrete plots. well get over it:rolleyes:,you make a visit or just happen to pass by the graveyard and decide to have a go at the travellers for the size of the headstones:mad: unreal.you just couldnt admire the headstones and see the beautiful artwork in them or just for one second,think about how some of them died.

How would someone feel if they purchased a family plot for their loved ones and next thing one of these hideous monstrosities appeared right beside it. id feel fine about it......why wouldnt someone?:rolleyes:

Planning permission should be sought for any headstone in a cemetery and a special designated area should be made available for those that want something extraordinary. .

yeah.......keep them seperate in death just as we did while they were alive,thats the way to do it:mad:

irishturkey wrote: »

Couldn't agree more but you know what you're in for now.... RACIST!!! The pc brigade will have a field day with this

predigest

firesidechat wrote: »

I'm very confident that those buried in the adjacent graves are not complaining or really give a toss for that matter.
Those that visit the graves for the very most would only have to look at them for no more than 5 minutes anyway.
If it gives the families comfort, what harm is it doing.?

no harm at all,if the op had even bothered going to funerals he would have seen these headstones a long time ago.but because for whatever reason he makes a once in a blue moon visit there he decides to pass judgement on a group of people who choose to honour their dead by erecting beautiful headstones.

golfball37 wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how a "poor" family on the dole can afford a 70k headstone.
:mad:

you know all the traveler families buried there do you?

i know one traveler in Ennis worth an estimated 30million.owns a load of property and land,i have no doubt he paid for most of these headstones,so stop talking nonsense about travelers bieng on the dole when some of your own pals and extended family no doubt are claiming welfare.i dont know you,but i do know that there isnt one poster on boards who doesnt know someone who isnt unemployed!!

irishturkey wrote: »

and Porsche Cayennes

fair play to them

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Because they don't give a fook, they live their lives the way they want to live them, and fair fooks to them

exactly

MiciG91 wrote: »

Ya fair enough but not when they get the ****ing beggars plot :mad:

id say if you looked into your own family history,your ancestors probably were at the head of the que with the begging bowl similar to most other families in ireland.:mad:

Blackjack wrote: »

I think it's nice that they can use their Dole money in this way. Clearly, they are in need of this handout.

ok blackjack.......would you give a traveller a job? no you wouldnt,like every other anti traveler poster on here........give them no job but at the same time give them no dole is the attitude.:mad:

Run_to_da_hills

User Friendly wrote: »

yeah.......keep them seperate in death just as we did while they were alive,thats the way to do it:mad:

Yes exactly if they want to be building hideous light blocking monstrocities. Its their choice. A headstone can look "expensive" without being hideous.

A cemetary in Shankhill South Dublin has strict regulations on head stones sizes, proper order for those that already have loved ones burried there. And yes I know someone burried in Drumcliff almost 7 years, fortunitally they are at the other end.

User Friendly wrote: »

y
i know one traveler in Ennis worth an estimated 30million.owns a load of property and land,i have no doubt he paid for most of these headstones,

Why dosen't he just buy a fcuking cemetary. :rolleyes:

dasium

I remember hearing a story about that graveyard and travelers, not sure of its veracity though.... it revolved around a well known now deceased trader in Ennis who when their wife died built one of those rather grand monstrosities of a headstone. Part of this rather large headstone was partly constructed of a perspex installation... the rather pious former husband used to go up every night to light a cigarette in honor of his deceased wife who was a particularly committed smoker... on one occasion and under the strong influence of drink, he managed to burn the the grave down... the perspex up in flame alerted locals who called the fire brigade... when they arrived the noticed a strange smell in the air (other than burning plastic) the alerted Gardai found the one of the deceased sons was using the glasshouse effect as a means to grow hash plants on his mothers grave!! would love to know if was remotely true!!

Run_to_da_hills

dasium wrote: »

I remember hearing a story about that graveyard and travelers, not sure of its veracity though.... it revolved around a well known now deceased trader in Ennis who when their wife died built one of those rather grand monstrosities of a headstone. Part of this rather large headstone was partly constructed of a perspex installation... the rather pious former husband used to go up every night to light a cigarette in honor of his deceased wife who was a particularly committed smoker... on one occasion and under the strong influence of drink, he managed to burn the the grave down... the perspex up in flame alerted locals who called the fire brigade... when they arrived the noticed a strange smell in the air (other than burning plastic) the alerted Gardai found the one of the deceased sons was using the glasshouse effect as a means to grow hash plants on his mothers grave!! would love to know if was remotely true!!

Never heard that one.

I heard this one from a mate of mine who works as an undertaker in Dublin. A traveller was being buried in Deansgrange cemetery, as they lowered the coffin someone noticed that the coffin was not sitting level on the ground. IE stone sitting under it.

The immediate family didn't notice it at the time but it was mentioned about a month later. The family could not sleep on it and were adamant to exhume the coffin and remove the stone to level it. Could ou imagine the peggy dell in the area. :eek:

Blackjack

User Friendly wrote: »

ok blackjack.......would you give a traveller a job? no you wouldnt,like every other anti traveler poster on here........give them no job but at the same time give them no dole is the attitude.:mad:

It's not about whether I would give them a job. Do you consider it appropriate for Social Welfare recipients spending several Thousand on a headstone?. The money is not given to people to bling up graves FFS.

User Friendly

Blackjack wrote: »

It's not about whether I would give them a job. Do you consider it appropriate for Social Welfare recipients spending several Thousand on a headstone?. The money is not given to people to bling up graves FFS.

the money is theirs to spend it how they wish until a law states otherwise,not how you'd like them to spend it.as i said earlier,a few families would have paid for the larger more expensive ones.

irishturkey

User Friendly wrote: »

yeah.......keep them seperate in death just as we did while they were alive,thats the way to do it:mad:

predigest

no harm at all,if the op had even bothered going to funerals he would have seen these headstones a long time ago.but because for whatever reason he makes a once in a blue moon visit there he decides to pass judgement on a group of people who choose to honour their dead by erecting beautiful headstones.

you know all the traveler families buried there do you?

i know one traveler in Ennis worth an estimated 30million.owns a load of property and land,i have no doubt he paid for most of these headstones,so stop talking nonsense about travelers bieng on the dole when some of your own pals and extended family no doubt are claiming welfare.i dont know you,but i do know that there isnt one poster on boards who doesnt know someone who isnt unemployed!!

fair play to them

exactly

id say if you looked into your own family history,your ancestors probably were at the head of the que with the begging bowl similar to most other families in ireland.:mad:

ok blackjack.......would you give a traveller a job? no you wouldnt,like every other anti traveler poster on here........give them no job but at the same time give them no dole is the attitude.:mad:

I'd prefer to live in my house than on a halting site, its their choice to live there

Balagan

While it is mostly travellers who put up these gigantic headstones, others
are starting to do the same. The sooner regulations are brought in, and enforced, with regard to maximum height and spread of headstones, the better for everyone with the exception of the Monumental Works who must be making a fortune on them.

fryup

anyone got any pics of these skyscrapers??

firesidechat

I ask the question again ,
Who are they harming ?
Why do we feel threatened by anything that is not the norm in this country. They are expressing their individulism and their culture and we should be open to accepting that, and also realise that they are leaving their mark for future generations to acknowledge their existance.
In years to come these graves will be of great importance when future intelics study previous generations of irish culture.

Run_to_da_hills

firesidechat wrote: »

I ask the question again ,
Who are they harming ?

They are obviously not going to harm anyone that is buried in the place.

I certainly would not like to see a hideous eye sore blocking sun light or obstructing my family plot and I am sure others would agree.

This also seem to be a status game, one family wants to better the next by building something more hideous as what happened in Co Kerry a family built a head stone so big that it towered the average headstone 10 times. Fortunately locals kicked up about it and the county council forced them to replace it with something more discrete. The same will only happen here if left to go on unchecked.

firesidechat wrote: »

Why do we feel threatened by anything that is not the norm in this country. They are expressing their individualism and their culture and we should be open to accepting that, and also realise that they are leaving their mark for future generations to acknowledge their existence.
In years to come these graves will be of great importance when future intelics study previous generations of irish culture.

Nothing to do with cultures, this building of monstrosities is relatively new, and just as travellers like to be seen in stretched hummers on their communion or wedding day they also like to be buried under marble sky scrapers.

CiaranMT

firesidechat wrote: »

I ask the question again ,
Who are they harming ?
Why do we feel threatened by anything that is not the norm in this country.

Because it's different, that's why.

Complaining about a luxury that one section of Irish society (who are otherwise systematically discriminated against) indulges in, while our Supreme Ayatollah is allowed to continue to lead this country with impunity, despite the fact that he is blatantly exposed as an architect of this economic mess by the Director of the Central Bank... The OP and his supporters really have their priorities right on this thread.

Mr. Presentable

Drumcliff in Sligo?

There is a planning application requirement, subject to Bye-laws in Sligo. For example

35. A Headstone shall not be greater in height than 1.22 metres (4.0 ft.) above ground level on a single plot grave space and shall not be greater in height than 1.40 metres ( 4ft. 6”) above ground level on a double plot grave space. On a triple plot grave space the headstone shall not be greater in height than 1.53 metres (5.0 ft) above ground level. Each headstone shall be kept in line with adjoining headstones and shall be faced in the direction indicated by the Caretaker of the Cemetery.

Do they exceed the regulations?

Fighting Irish

Balagan wrote: »

While it is mostly travellers who put up these gigantic headstones, others
are starting to do the same. The sooner regulations are brought in, and enforced, with regard to maximum height and spread of headstones, the better for everyone with the exception of the Monumental Works who must be making a fortune on them.

I can't believe people want regulations to stop other people from saying farewell to their loved ones

Got any more pointless rules you want to enforce on everyone?

golfball37

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I can't believe people want regulations to stop other people from saying farewell to their loved ones

Got any more pointless rules you want to enforce on everyone?

The people who erect these don't abide by the rule of law from my experiences so it would only be a waste of time trying to enforce a pointless rule ok.

Shapey Fiend

How much? I think I'm going to become a stone mason.

If I was erecting something in a space that was going to be frequented by many other grieving people then I'd show some discretion. But I'd respect other peoples right to inconvenience people in death just as they did in life. Just wouldn't catch me dead (badum tish) in that graveyard because it's too big and tacky at this stage.

Run_to_da_hills

Shapey Fiend wrote: »

How much? I think I'm going to become a stone mason.

If I was erecting something in a space that was going to be frequented by many other grieving people then I'd show some discretion. But I'd respect other peoples right to inconvenience people in death just as they did in life. Just wouldn't catch me dead (badum tish) in that graveyard because it's too big and tacky at this stage.

I know a stone mason on the Lahinch Rd that makes a killing (excuse the pun) every October tiding up / shot blasting/ calligraphy etc travellers graves before all souls around the country.

Because it has to do with death and suspicion he never has a problem with payment. He was telling me one plot had in excess of e10,000 of work put into it. Travellers graves are usually spotless this time of year, some with expensive ornaments etc on the plot. No one dares remove them.

fryup

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Travellers graves are usually spotless this time of year, some with expensive ornaments etc on the plot. No one dares remove them.

cause if they did, they'd be needing a gravestone:cool:

Blackjack

User Friendly wrote: »

the money is theirs to spend it how they wish until a law states otherwise,not how you'd like them to spend it.as i said earlier,a few families would have paid for the larger more expensive ones.

Good to know that you consider this to be an appropriate waste of Taxpayers money.

firesidechat

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Nothing to do with cultures, this building of monstrosities is relatively new, and just as travellers like to be seen in stretched hummers on their communion or wedding day they also like to be buried under marble sky scrapers.

Culture is fluid.

dr.fuzzenstein

Balagan wrote: »

While it is mostly travellers who put up these gigantic headstones, others
are starting to do the same. The sooner regulations are brought in, and enforced, with regard to maximum height and spread of headstones, the better for everyone with the exception of the Monumental Works who must be making a fortune on them.

Nothing against you Balagan, it's just a general rant, but that is the attitude that absolutely makes me scream about the Irish.
Yes, we need regulation regarding headstones, the smell of aftershave, the width of cats, the angle of rooftiles, the colour of socks worn on Tuesdays, availability of asparagus over the Xmas period and if you're allowed to tuck your shirt into your pants.
Don't like the look of someone? Call your local TD and have him sort out some laws!
It's this sick attitude that everyone can be forced to cooperate by forcing them through legal means.
Soon it will be enshrined in law how you're supposed to wipe your arse (3 sheets, one up, one down and one to polish).
No one will ever live beside people they always like, be it they're attitude, appearance, unkempt lawn, old banger of a car and, as in this case, their headstones.
But has anyone ever heard of dialogue? Talking to the other person?
Not in Ireland, if someone does something you don't like you go to the gards, your solicitor and your TD about it.
Maybe I wouldn't like some Fools and Horses headstone beside a loved one's grave, but before I go and start some campaign for the proper regulation of the appearance of headstones in cemeteries I would probably assess if now I have enough time in my life to start something that is A: positive and B: worthwile, maybe work for charity or something, because as soon as thoughts like that would enter my head I'd know that I had WWWAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much time on my hands.
It's an attitude like that that gets springboards and ladders removed at Kilkee because "a proper Health and Safety audit has to be performed on them"

Balagan

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Nothing against you Balagan, it's just a general rant, but that is the attitude that absolutely makes me scream about the Irish.
Yes, we need regulation regarding headstones, the smell of aftershave, the width of cats, the angle of rooftiles, the colour of socks worn on Tuesdays, availability of asparagus over the Xmas period and if you're allowed to tuck your shirt into your pants.
Don't like the look of someone? Call your local TD and have him sort out some laws!
It's this sick attitude that everyone can be forced to cooperate by forcing them through legal means.
Soon it will be enshrined in law how you're supposed to wipe your arse (3 sheets, one up, one down and one to polish).
No one will ever live beside people they always like, be it they're attitude, appearance, unkempt lawn, old banger of a car and, as in this case, their headstones.
But has anyone ever heard of dialogue? Talking to the other person?
Not in Ireland, if someone does something you don't like you go to the gards, your solicitor and your TD about it.
Maybe I wouldn't like some Fools and Horses headstone beside a loved one's grave, but before I go and start some campaign for the proper regulation of the appearance of headstones in cemeteries I would probably assess if now I have enough time in my life to start something that is A: positive and B: worthwile, maybe work for charity or something, because as soon as thoughts like that would enter my head I'd know that I had WWWAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY to much time on my hands.
It's an attitude like that that gets springboards and ladders removed at Kilkee because "a proper Health and Safety audit has to be performed on them"

You'll be hearing forthwith from my solicitor!

You're originally from a European country, right? Some European countries have pretty stringent rules about gravestones/memorials. How about yours?

firesidechat

Balagan wrote: »

You'll be hearing forthwith from my solicitor!

You're originally from a European country, right? Some European countries have pretty stringent rules about gravestones/memorials. How about yours?

Just checked on Google Earth and it seems we also are still a european country.
Can we not be unique and original and not follow the trend of other countries.
I forgot that wouldn't be possible cause we would have to open our minds
and think outside the box, Something we are not comfortable with doing.