Why is Animal Pak banned?

ferike1

I'm not looking to buy any or anything but after looking at it on bbuilding.com it just seems to be a multivitamin product. Does anyone know why it is banned in Ireland? Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

King of Kings

cos it's too strong to be sold without prescription.

ferike1

Kind of silly but okay. Thanks for the answer.

DARCHA22

ferike1 wrote: »

Kind of silly but okay. Thanks for the answer.

If you want to buy it then order it from the UK.

Anything that is banned in the republic of fun can be bought online in the uk and for a decent price too, even after shipping costs.

COH

Too much vitamin B.. Technically a medicine according to the IMB and their infanite wisdom

ferike1

Doesnt seem as harmful as some of the crap you can buy in stores with all the saturated fats, high salt content lol.
Seems to be quite a lot of mis information in general towards bbuilding in general here in Ireland.

Chris89

I thought it, and other products like no-xpolode were banned because of the high level of b-12? The argument was that they were so "strong" that they were considered a medicine.

Edit: didnt see post above sorry

DARCHA22

ferike1 wrote: »

Doesnt seem as harmful as some of the crap you can buy in stores with all the saturated fats, high salt content lol.
Seems to be quite a lot of mis information in general towards bbuilding in general here in Ireland.

yeh misinformation from "experts", "sceintists", "doctors" etc.

Idiots with a phd who say that protein shakes are steroids.

thirdmantackle

DARCHA22 wrote: »

yeh misinformation from "experts", "sceintists", "doctors" etc.

Idiots with a phd who say that protein shakes are steroids.

have you a source for your claim??

itsallaboutheL

thirdmantackle wrote: »

have you a source for your claim??

BrianTheBard

d'Oracle

DARCHA22 wrote: »

Idiots with a phd who say that protein shakes are steroids.

Stirling reading comprehension there sir.

brianthebard

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

BrianTheBard

flattered but I don't have a phd yet....

itsallaboutheL

brianthebard wrote: »

flattered but I don't have a phd yet....

So you are an idiot then :pac:

MisterAnarchy

I remember taking it a good few years ago,bought it from the US.
Twas mad stuff,about 30 pills a day .

brianthebard

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

So you are an idiot then :pac:

A bigger idiot than you! Wait that came out wrong....

DARCHA22

thirdmantackle wrote: »

have you a source for your claim??

Its not a claim, its a fact my friend.

YES i do, was on that good morning show yoke on RTE., on the news, in the paper(independent and also read something in the star)

Your man was a doctor, and said that people should buy their supplements from their local chemist becasue all the big companies are putting steroids in the products and not telling people.

Eh......... i dont think so!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055551563

Was also a ban supposed to come in for Maximuscle products becuase they had HMB, Ecdy, and Methoxy, all very lethal steroids haha

Heres a link to one of the articles on another forum, couldnt be bothered looking for original article.

http://www.universalnutrition.ie/posts/list/389.page


Cant find the RTE yoke on the rte player, but it was shocking stuff, i was screaming at the telly. I then had to explain to my family that this old fart was full of BS.

Steroids in a product that costs less than 50 quid, come on.

Also i saw a thing on the news about 5 months ago saying that protein shakes were bad for your health

DARCHA22

brianthebard wrote: »

flattered but I don't have a phd yet....

i phrased that wrong haha, i meant some idiots

Jesus it would be pretty small of me to assume if anyone had a phd they are an idiot haha.

I am just talking about the ones i mentioned above, the "idiots" saying steroids are in protein shakes etc.

anyone reading, dont take any offence if you have a phd

podge57

DARCHA22 wrote: »

Your man was a doctor, and said that people should buy their supplements from their local chemist becasue all the big companies are putting steroids in the products and not telling people.

Eh......... i dont think so!

In 2002, there was a study carried out on 634 supplements, and 94 (14.8%) contained hormones or prohormones which weren'tlisted on the label.

Maybe he wasn't such an idiot after all....

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_324.pdf

d'Oracle

DARCHA22 wrote: »

Its not a claim, its a fact my friend.

YES i do, was on that good morning show yoke on RTE., on the news, in the paper(independent and also read something in the star)

Your man was a doctor, and said that people should buy their supplements from their local chemist becasue all the big companies are putting steroids in the products and not telling people.

Eh......... i dont think so!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055551563

Was also a ban supposed to come in for Maximuscle products becuase they had HMB, Ecdy, and Methoxy, all very lethal steroids haha

Heres a link to one of the articles on another forum, couldnt be bothered looking for original article.

http://www.universalnutrition.ie/posts/list/389.page


Cant find the RTE yoke on the rte player, but it was shocking stuff, i was screaming at the telly. I then had to explain to my family that this old fart was full of BS.

Steroids in a product that costs less than 50 quid, come on.

Also i saw a thing on the news about 5 months ago saying that protein shakes were bad for your health

Neither of those links has any evidence of a Doctor saying that protein shakes are steroids.

DARCHA22

podge57 wrote: »

In 2002, there was a study carried out on 634 supplements, and 94 (14.8%) contained hormones or prohormones which weren'tlisted on the label.

Maybe he wasn't such an idiot after all....

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_324.pdf

my post refered to a time zone within the last year or so

and the article on ecdy was from 2 years ago

podge57

DARCHA22 wrote: »

my post refered to a time zone within the last year or so

and the article on ecdy was from 2 years ago

Well you made it sound like he was just making it up - there is definitely some fact behind what he was saying.

DARCHA22

d'Oracle wrote: »

Neither of those links has any evidence of a Doctor saying that protein shakes are steroids.

referring to maximuscle cyclone IN 2008.

Medical concerns Dr Martin Henman of the school of pharmacy at Trinity College Dublin said of the product Maxi Muscle Cyclone, which contains beta-ecdysterone, that it should be on sale by prescription only.
"Beta-ecdysterone was labelled an anabolic steroid by the Irish Medicines Board, " he said. He also said the level of vitamin B12 in Maxi Muscle Thermobol meant it should also be available only with a prescription.


Dr Joan Gilvarry, director of the IMB, the state organisation responsible for evaluating the quality, safety and efficacy of medicines in Ireland has stated: "Beta-ecdysterone is an anabolic steroid and it carries all the risks associated with that. It can damage you liver and your heart, increases your blood count and can cause blood clots in your legs and in your lungs which could be fatal.



Beta-ecdysterone was labelled an anabolic steroid by the Irish Medicines Board

irish medicines baord is chaired by Dr Joan Gilvarry


If i could find a video of the Doctor talking about it on rte i would add the link. WAS ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO give or take a month, cant really remember.

I have no reason to lie about it, dont see what value i would get, nor do i see the point of making stuff up.

DARCHA22

podge57 wrote: »

Well you made it sound like he was just making it up - there is definitely some fact behind what he was saying.

like who made it up???? you are referring to somehting completly different, from 2002, im talking about 2008 and 2010


you are not reading what i am posting mate.

pointless trying to explain myself really

everyone always takes offence here.

Protein is in chicken, probably take offence to that too.

d'Oracle

DARCHA22 wrote: »

referring to maximuscle cyclone IN 2008.

Medical concerns Dr Martin Henman of the school of pharmacy at Trinity College Dublin said of the product Maxi Muscle Cyclone, which contains beta-ecdysterone, that it should be on sale by prescription only.
"Beta-ecdysterone was labelled an anabolic steroid by the Irish Medicines Board, " he said. He also said the level of vitamin B12 in Maxi Muscle Thermobol meant it should also be available only with a prescription.


Dr Joan Gilvarry, director of the IMB, the state organisation responsible for evaluating the quality, safety and efficacy of medicines in Ireland has stated: "Beta-ecdysterone is an anabolic steroid and it carries all the risks associated with that. It can damage you liver and your heart, increases your blood count and can cause blood clots in your legs and in your lungs which could be fatal.



Beta-ecdysterone was labelled an anabolic steroid by the Irish Medicines Board

irish medicines baord is chaired by Dr Joan Gilvarry


If i could find a video of the Doctor talking about it on rte i would add the link. WAS ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO give or take a month, cant really remember.

I have no reason to lie about it, dont see what value i would get, nor do i see the point of making stuff up.

No-one is accusing you of lying, just not having a bulls notion what you are on about.

Beta-ecdysterone is a steroid which has been shown to have anabolic effects.
Note that at no point in your quotation does any Phd state that protein drinks are steroids.
He stated that one protein drink contains a steroid.

By all means criticise journalists for calling creatine steroids or implying a connection between steroid use and whey consumption.
But don't just start bandying around nonsense and expect to not be picked up on it.

TheZ

Before there is a rush to buy Cyclone, according to this it doesn't work in humans

http://www.supplementdata.com/nsr-0204z.html

"Anybody who takes it to get ripped will end up ripped off.":)

podge57

DARCHA22 wrote: »

like who made it up???? you are referring to somehting completly different, from 2002, im talking about 2008 and 2010


you are not reading what i am posting mate.

pointless trying to explain myself really

everyone always takes offence here.

Protein is in chicken, probably take offence to that too.

The study is a bit outdated, although there are no more recent studies (that I have heard about) Some of the facts have changed, but not that much.

I think you aren't reading what I'm posting, you said a doctor was an idiot for saying some supplements were tainted with steroids, I said he was technically correct.

King of Kings

ferike1 wrote: »

Kind of silly but okay. Thanks for the answer.

what more of an answer did you want?

DARCHA22

d'Oracle wrote: »

No-one is accusing you of lying, just not having a bulls notion what you are on about.

Beta-ecdysterone is a steroid which has been shown to have anabolic effects.
Note that at no point in your quotation does any Phd state that protein drinks are steroids.
He stated that one protein drink contains a steroid.

By all means criticise journalists for calling creatine steroids or implying a connection between steroid use and whey consumption.
But don't just start bandying around nonsense and expect to not be picked up on it.

haha, im not even gonna respond to that mate

cardio,shoot me

DARCHA22 wrote: »

haha, im not even gonna respond to that mate

you mean you cant..

Sitric

podge57 wrote: »

The study is a bit outdated, although there are no more recent studies (that I have heard about) Some of the facts have changed, but not that much.

I think you aren't reading what I'm posting, you said a doctor was an idiot for saying some supplements were tainted with steroids, I said he was technically correct.

Some more recent studies where they detect contamination:

Determination of anabolic steroids in dietary supplements by liquid chromatography–tandem mass spectrometry
Analytica Chimica Acta, Volume 586, Issues 1-2, 14 March 2007, Pages 35-42

Detection of anabolic steroids in dietary supplements: The added value of an androgen yeast bioassay in parallel with a liquid chromatography–tandem mass spectrometry screening method
Analytica Chimica Acta, Volume 637, Issues 1-2, 1 April 2009, Pages 305-314

Sports-Related Issues and Biochemistry of Natural and Synthetic Anabolic Substances
Endocrinology & Metabolism Clinics of North America, Volume 39, Issue 1, March 2010, Pages 45-57


This is an excellent review:

Illicit anabolic–androgenic steroid use
Hormones and Behavior, Volume 58, Issue 1, June 2010, Pages 111-121

d'Oracle

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

you mean you cant..

Nails and heads.

rubadub

podge57 wrote: »

(14.8%) contained hormones or prohormones which weren'tlisted on the label.
http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_324.pdf

That is interesting, they said a positive was

0.01 μg/g up to 190 μg/g

0.01μg/g means 0.000001%, so I doubt they would legally have to list them on the label anyway, even if the substance is illegal it could be legal at those levels, e.g. I expect many hemp products contain minute traces of THC (active in cannabis). But I am wondering if they are inferring they were purposely added to give the supps an extra kick. Or if they are naturally occurring. e.g. I wonder if they tested other dairy products could they test positive at 0.000001%.

Remember the testing they did on athletes here? 1,114 people and none seemed to have contaminated supps, well it could have been contaminated but not enough for the athletes to test positive after using them. They said 4 tested positive but this was 2 taking asthma medicine, so not even alleged contamination, the other girl refused a test, again not even alleged contamination, the other had cannabis, so again no contamination.
http://www.irishsportscouncil.ie/Anti-Doping/Annual_Reports/

podge57

rubadub wrote: »

That is interesting, they said a positive was

0.01μg/g means 0.000001%, so I doubt they would legally have to list them on the label anyway, even if the substance is illegal it could be legal at those levels, e.g. I expect many hemp products contain minute traces of THC (active in cannabis). But I am wondering if they are inferring they were purposely added to give the supps an extra kick. Or if they are naturally occurring. e.g. I wonder if they tested other dairy products could they test positive at 0.000001%.

I can't find the link now, but they said most of the contamination was not deliberate. 21% of factories that also made prohormones were found to have produced contaminated products, and only 9% of factories which didn't make prohormones had contaminated products.

So the 14.8% figure is probably lower now as prohormones are banned.

But in 2002, an atlete in England tested positive for methanedienone/dianabol, which could not have been accidental.
Also, some stimulants were found to contain ephedrine, in order to make them more effective

Hanley

podge57 wrote: »

I can't find the link now, but they said most of the contamination was not deliberate. 21% of factories that also made prohormones were found to have produced contaminated products, and only 9% of factories which didn't make prohormones had contaminated products.

So the 14.8% figure is probably lower now as prohormones are banned.

But in 2002, an atlete in England tested positive for methanedienone/dianabol, which could not have been accidental.
Also, some stimulants were found to contain ephedrine, in order to make them more effective

Epherdrine's off the WADA list now out of competition, and allowable in certain quantities in competition, so that's another risk mitigated.

Sitric

Is B12 actually the reason it´s banned? It has 11μg per serving (I assume mcg is μg)

If you give someone B12 it´s 1000 to 2000 μg per day.

Maybe the megadose of B6? (9000 times the RDA?)

gavkm27

Sitric wrote: »

Is B12 actually the reason it´s banned? It has 11μg per serving (I assume mcg is μg)

If you give someone B12 it´s 1000 to 2000 μg per day.

Maybe the megadose of B6? (9000 times the RDA?)

Yeah back on the topic,i just bought Animal Stak,Pump,Nitro,Omega i think i will be necking upto 40 pills a day! will try a cycle and see how it goes