FOX ATTACKS BABY TWINS

jwshooter

nine month old twins have been attacked by a fox ,in north London .

there is serious condition buy stable .
they suffered arm wounds and one has suffered facial wounds .

the fox was in the house at the time .

Scotland yard are treating the incident as suspicious .

what do you guys think

Sparks

Horrible case, but I don't understand why they think it's suspicious that a fox would bite a child - dogs do it often enough...

homerhop

Did it just happen to ramble in or was it some of the bleeding hearts who thought they were saving the animal?

doyle61

and theres the anti hunters trying to tell me that foxes dont attack lambs(never mind humans):eek:
hope the kids are ok

harr

if it was tame yes maybe but cant see a wild fox walking into some ones house and to attack children,if it was cornered any wild animal would attack anybody,most of us has seen the damage a fox can do to lambs and chickens

alex73

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Fox-Twin-Baby-Girls-Attacked-By-Fox-In-Bedroom-In-Stoke-Newington-North-London/Article/201006115644585?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15644585_Fox%3A_Twin_Baby_Girls_Attacked_By_Fox_In_Bedroom_In_Stoke_Newington%2C_North_London

poulo6.5

jwshooter wrote: »

nine month old twins have been attacked by a fox ,in north London .

there is serious condition buy stable .
they suffered arm wounds and one has suffered facial wounds .

the fox was in the house at the time .

Scotland yard are treating the incident as suspicious .

what do you guys think

a buddy of mine is a pc in london he often rings me to tell me that he has seen 15-20 fox on his way to work.
the place is alive with them, some people even leave food out for them
i read an article in the sporting rifle or one of those mags about a lad in london that is a professional exterminator he uses a .22lr with a 12" barrel and a silencer on it and is flat out knocking off charly for londeners that have had their pet rabbit or pigeon loft attacked or their bins torn up.
pity something like that has to happen before people realize that they are wild animals and predators at that and not cute little furry friends

i hope the kids are ok

jwshooter

harr wrote: »

if it was tame yes maybe but cant see a wild fox walking into some ones house and to attack children

why not its a city fox close to 17 million in london ,possible a retaliated or hand reared fox ,dusty had a link and thread to this last week .

would love to be putting the v max into this chap

jwshooter

poulo6.5 wrote: »

a buddy of mine is a pc in london he often rings me to tell me that he has seen 15-20 fox on his way to work.
the place is alive with them, some people even leave food out for them
i read an article in the sporting rifle or one of those mags about a lad in london that is a professional exterminator he uses a .22lr with a 12" barrel and a silencer on it and is flat out knocking off charly for londeners that have had their pet rabbit or pigeon loft attacked or their bins torn up.
pity something like that has to happen before people realize that they are wild animals and predators at that and not cute little furry friends

i hope the kids are ok

i lived in london for 4 months alot of vermin there.:D

homerhop

Its a pity small kids have to suffer. When wild animals lose their fear of humans these things will happen.

Mickalis

Man I hate those tree hugging idiots! :mad: Nothing against nature or that but fox are vermin and should be hunted!! For sport and for reasons like this! Anti hunting freaks will probably be like 'oh those babies probably aggravated the poor fox and he felt threatened and had to protect himself!' pft!

clivej

Just looking at this on Sky news and it would seem that the twins were attacked in thier cot and the flat is on the second or third floor of the appartment building. Very strange!

clivej

JW your PM box is full - empty some of the sh!te out will ya????

bunny shooter

clivej wrote: »

JW your PM box is full - empty some of the sh!te out will ya????

That's a fact

jwshooter

clivej wrote: »

JW your PM box is full - empty some of the sh!te out will ya????

sorry clive ,you would not belive some of the shife i get in ,there is no spam button .

argosy2006

a fox was at my back door other night, how dangerous are these things, what attracts these animals?

poulo6.5

argosy2006 wrote: »

a fox was at my back door other night, how dangerous are these things, what attracts these animals?

a fox would tend to run if it thought there were people about even the smell of a human or dogs would send them packing,
BUT fox are cheeky and curious animals and will take any opportunity for a free meal. you can be sure that if you have seen him once then he is more than likely a regular visitor

the trouble with the fox in london and cities in general is that bleeding hart so called animal lovers feed the poor little things and then over time the loose their fear of humans and then cheeky charly will become a danger like in this case.

wild animals are wild and should be treated as dangerous to our most precious little ones as they dont see them as lovely little baby's just an opportunity for a free lunch.

clivej

Reading the Sky text today and some of the neighbours said they had foxes living in their back gardens.
Time to get the shotgun out methinks.

natdog

poulo6.5 wrote: »

a buddy of mine is a pc in london he often rings me to tell me that he has seen 15-20 fox on his way to work.
the place is alive with them, some people even leave food out for them
Dublin isnt far off nearly every night i see double figures while driving around the city the other night i seen four cubs playing on the road in a housing estate and you also get people feeding them.
Hope we never get rabies in this country

youcrazyjesus!

Foxes are evil. They're barely human.

vixdname

jwshooter wrote: »

why not its a city fox close to 17 million in london ,possible a retaliated or hand reared fox ,dusty had a link and thread to this last week .

would love to be putting the v max into this chap

Am with ya on that one JW

clivej

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

Foxes are evil. They're barely human.

Don't konw about evil but the devil is in them.

garv123

One expert fella said he's only seen two cases like this in 40 years and one turned out to be a cat and the other a german shepard.
it didnt say they found a fox in the room with them.
They set traps and got 1 fox and killed it.

xoxyx

Mickalis wrote: »

Man I hate those tree hugging idiots! :mad: Nothing against nature or that but fox are vermin and should be hunted!! For sport and for reasons like this! Anti hunting freaks will probably be like 'oh those babies probably aggravated the poor fox and he felt threatened and had to protect himself!' pft!

This is an unthinkably horrible situation but I don't like it being used as a reason to vilify foxes. The number of children killed by people this year (or ever) far, far, far outweighs the number killed by foxes. What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

SD308

z_topaz wrote: »

What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

Why not? Foxes do it.

vixdname

z_topaz wrote: »

This is an unthinkably horrible situation but I don't like it being used as a reason to vilify foxes. The number of children killed by people this year (or ever) far, far, far outweighs the number killed by foxes. What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

Hunting is completely natural and has nothing to do with violence or aggression or general blood lust. Almost every hunter will tell you they love animals. Yet, hunters kill animals. How do you explain that? It's a little like farming or gardening. People protect and care for their chickens and their vegetable plants, only to end up using them for food. Hunters support conservation of wild places and laws that protect wildlife populations, but they use some of the wildlife for hunting—not just killing, and not just eating, but to experience hunting.
"one doesn't hunt to kill but kills to hunt" - jose ortega y gasset . It's a lot easier, and often less expensive, to buy food and clothing at the store than to make them or grow them yourself. But people are "do-it-yourselfers" because they enjoy the activity, not just the product. Hunting is a lot like that. Some people say "hunting is in my blood" because our ancestors were hunters. It feels good to know we can still survive on our own in Nature the way our ancestors did. Hunting, growing food and making things by hand are all things that people love to do. Even though those things may not seem to be absolutely necessary, they are very important to people who enjoy them.

jwshooter

z_topaz wrote: »

This is an unthinkably horrible situation but I don't like it being used as a reason to vilify foxes. The number of children killed by people this year (or ever) far, far, far outweighs the number killed by foxes. What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

its very hard to reply to your post with out getting banned .

.243

your're not a very diplomaitic person are you jw

Odysseus

z_topaz wrote: »

What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

I don't know about natural or not, but I consider my hunting to be sport. Sometimes it puts food on my table, other times it takes care of vermin on the land I use. Every fox that is shot is one less that is going to attack farm animals. With saying this I have never shot a fox, only because I don't go out at night. I had one trying to steal some pigeons I had shot one day, the only reason I did not shoot him was the shot I had with me would not have given a quick humane kill.

Sparks

jwshooter wrote: »

its very hard to reply to your post with out getting banned .

I don't know about that jw, several others already have done so. In fact, the post just before yours there (from vidxname) was very well written.

clivej

z_topaz wrote: »

This is an unthinkably horrible situation but I don't like it being used as a reason to vilify foxes. The number of children killed by people this year (or ever) far, far, far outweighs the number killed by foxes. What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

There a law against killing people but the law allows the hunting of foxes and thereby the shooting of them.

Humans are not the nicest of a bred in a lot of cases, but thats the nature of the beast. Lets face it, if it was not for the police to enforce the laws of the land and the fear of the almighty through religion then this world we live in would be far worst than it now is.

rant over......................

poulo6.5

z_topaz wrote: »

This is an unthinkably horrible situation but I don't like it being used as a reason to vilify foxes. The number of children killed by people this year (or ever) far, far, far outweighs the number killed by foxes. What's more, there's nothing natural about hunting for sport.

what kind of insane statement is that to make in this context.
i suppose you would have the little devils roaming the streets and doing as they please because humans are so bad

get a grip of your self

Sparks

poulo6.5 wrote: »

what kind of insane statement is that to make in this context.

One we could respond to in a more civil tone without loss. If it's a genuine question, civil answers have a chance of changing someone's mind. If it's a troll, well, one troll's already been banned from this forum and had his posts deleted from this thread alone today, so uncivil responses aren't required anyway.

poulo6.5

Sparks wrote: »

One we could respond to in a more civil tone without loss. If it's a genuine question, civil answers have a chance of changing someone's mind. If it's a troll, well, one troll's already been banned from this forum and had his posts deleted from this thread alone today, so uncivil responses aren't required anyway.

i'm sorry but i have 2 young children and i live in the country and i shoot to eat and maintain the countryside.
these holier than thou do good'r types relay get my goat
to say hunting is not natural is a prime example of the kind of m****t we are dealing with
we are by nature hunter gatherer and yes i do enjoy my sport.

Sparks

poulo6.5 wrote: »

these holier than thou do good'r types relay get my goat

I feel the same listening to pretty much all of the press coverage of almost anything to do with firearms. So if someone comes in here to take the mickey, they get deleted and banned fairly sharpish. But if someone's coming in in good faith, I figure we should show them why they're wrong rather than just yelling at them, in the hope that we might well change their mind - or the minds of the fifty others who are just reading the thread but not posting in it.

poulo6.5

Sparks wrote: »

I feel the same listening to pretty much all of the press coverage of almost anything to do with firearms. So if someone comes in here to take the mickey, they get deleted and banned fairly sharpish. But if someone's coming in in good faith, I figure we should show them why they're wrong rather than just yelling at them, in the hope that we might well change their mind - or the minds of the fifty others who are just reading the thread but not posting in it.

fair point. i stand corrected.
i'm often faced with people horrified by my hunting but once i explain that i eat what i shoot and give the pros and cons to free game and farmed animals most people will shrug and say i suppose you have a point.

anyway the most important thing here is those poor kids. again i say i hope they are ok.

bazza888

i hate when people vilify guns when the number of people each year killed by cars is far greater than legally held sporting guns.but people still viliffy them!

Tackleberrywho

It's interesting to notice peoples shock that a wild scavanger hunter would attack a small weak child.

I have posted this before, but a few years back i was out with my 6.5 doing a bit of long range on a silage field.

I had fired 3/4 shots so the noise had frightened the bunnies underground.

It was a glorious day so I took the T-Shirt off put in on the ground and lay on top of it and worked on my farmers Tan
After about 15-20 mins I was almost asleep when i sensed something.
I looked up dazed by the sun, and here was a fox about to see if I was on his menu.

I have seen foxes eat the utters off dead cows. I have seen them take food out of the dogs bowl while the dog was changed.

They are not cute and cuddly red puppies.

They are efficient killers.
Mans encroachment into there habitats means more contact is likely in the coming years.

xoxyx

jwshooter wrote: »

its very hard to reply to your post with out getting banned .

Odysseus wrote: »

I don't know about natural or not, but I consider my hunting to be sport. Sometimes it puts food on my table, other times it takes care of vermin on the land I use.

vixdname wrote: »

Hunting is completely natural and has nothing to do with violence or aggression or general blood lust. Almost every hunter will tell you they love animals. Yet, hunters kill animals. How do you explain that? It's a little like farming or gardening.

clivej wrote: »

There a law against killing people but the law allows the hunting of foxes and thereby the shooting of them.

poulo6.5 wrote: »

what kind of insane statement is that to make in this context.

Maybe I'm crazy - but what I get from this story is to never let a baby out of your sight. Not kill all foxes.

Sparks wrote: »

poulo6.5 wrote: »

i'm sorry but i have 2 young children and i live in the country and i shoot to eat and maintain the countryside.
these holier than thou do good'r types relay get my goat
to say hunting is not natural is a prime example of the kind of m****t we are dealing with
we are by nature hunter gatherer and yes i do enjoy my sport.

SD308 wrote: »

Why not? Foxes do it.

Before I get back into this discussion, I want to clear something up. I never said that I am against hunting. (I actually don't understand the enjoyment in killing something - but that's not the point I'm trying to make).

What I was saying is that I don't like killing for sport (read my original post). Sport means recreational fun. If you shoot an animal so that you can eat it - that's not sport. If you shoot an animal because you want to control its breading as it is out of control - that's not sport.

If you shoot an animal because it makes you feel good to kill this little creature and you're going to brag to your friends about it - that's sport.

And I think it's despicable. And people who take news stories out of context and, instead of putting all their feelings into pity for this family, use this as an excuse to justify their shootings, are very wrong in my opinion.

What I get from this story is - "never let a baby out of your sight." Not "kill all foxes."

garv123

z_topaz wrote: »

Maybe I'm crazy - but what I get from this story is to never let a baby out of your sight. Not kill all foxes.

What I get from this story is - "never let a baby out of your sight." Not "kill all foxes."

i completly agree.
if a dog attacked a child which happenes alot they dont go out and shoot every dog they see to make up for it.

Sparks

garv123 wrote: »

i completly agree.
if a dog attacked a child which happenes alot they dont go out and shoot every dog they see to make up for it.

...unless it was a wild dog, of course.

Which is effectively what a fox is, when you get right down to it.

homerhop

There is no one saying kill all foxes, I cant find one person that shoots who would not tell you foxes are quite a clever animal and I have often sat watching one creep up on rabbits. As with all wildlife it is a joy to see in its natural state.
The problem most people who hunt have is, when people who think all animals are cute and cuddly start coming down on them because they choose to hunt. These same people will see nothing wrong with feeding a fox and in doing so try bring it closer and closer so eventually they can try to pet it.
Foxes are hunters in nature and they have the ability to lie in the middle of a herd of sheep or go into a farm yard to raid a chicken coop even when there are dogs around. An urban fox who has had close contact with humans and lost their fear of us would have no hesitation in entering a house.
I also find it dispicable when people start humanising animals, in that they cannot differentiate between a wild animal and a human being.
Perhaps if they put these feelings of care for all animals into homeless shelters or organisations to help disadvantaged kids in urban areas, it might serve mankind better.
As hunters we care about the environment and we actually do care about the species that we hunt. Clubs will have designated sanctuaries allowing wildlife to flourish, we are also involved in land conservation such as wet lands and bogs. We are involved in the reintroduction of species to areas such as grouse and partridge. We are not a trigger happy bunch as is being portrayed in one or two posts as above

xoxyx

Sparks wrote: »

...unless it was a wild dog, of course.

Which is effectively what a fox is, when you get right down to it.

No. They are not the same animal. I don't understand what you mean!?!

EastTyrone

z_topaz wrote: »

No. They are not the same animal. I don't understand what you mean!?!

madadh rua - the red dog (fox)

theyve the same characteristics

same size as some breeds of dog, same shape of a head, same anatomy, same diet the list goes on :rolleyes:

can you see the resemblence now??

vixdname

z_topaz wrote: »

What I get from this story is - "never let a baby out of your sight." Not "kill all foxes."

The two kids in question were in their beds supposedly....so do you think the parents \ guardians should sit at the childrens bed sides all night every night in case something comes to harm them...I think your "never let a baby out of your sight" conclusion for this accident is ridiculous...and no one here is saying Kill All Foxes

Grizzly 45

Exactly..And then do what when the fox arrives...Give it a good telling off,or discuss with it its thoughts about going vegan???:rolleyes:

People obviously forget history here very quickly.Remember the Austrialian Dingo case??Parents were out camping their baby is snatched by an Aussie dingo,which isnt much bigger than a fox.No one belived them and theyt were convicted wrongly of infanticide. We see this fukwitted interaction of people and wild animals all the time.Wild animals are survivors,if someone goes and feeds them they will become tamer,but wont lose their aggressivity .Hence we see tourists in SA getting bit by baboons,because baboons of the more intelligent variety[supposedly] have been feeding them all the time.So the wild baboons expect a free handout,and when it doesnt happen,they get narky and attack.Same with the monkies in Gibralter,kangaroos in Austrailia,have seriously injured people,wild boar in Germany around Berlin, and god alone knows whereelse.All because people think they are cute and cuddly and lets feed them...
Please do not feed the WILD animals...The animals will thank you for it too.

fodda

quote

madadh rua - the red dog (fox)

theyve the same characteristics

same size as some breeds of dog, same shape of a head, same anatomy, same diet the list goes on

can you see the resemblence now??

Can say the same about us and monkies or some of us and pigs.

Anyway blame god if you believe in fairy stories as he is supposed to have put everything there for a reason?

Thought this was a shooting forum.

Tackleberrywho

fodda wrote: »

quote

madadh rua - the red dog (fox)

theyve the same characteristics

same size as some breeds of dog, same shape of a head, same anatomy, same diet the list goes on

can you see the resemblence now??

Can say the same about us and monkies or some of us and pigs.

Anyway blame god if you believe in fairy stories as he is supposed to have put everything there for a reason?

Thought this was a shooting forum.

Back on topic, shooting of foxes is not allowed in towns for obvious reasons.
maybe they should incite them out of the towns and get them there.

I remember my aunt had a fox fur coat for years, i know a fella who wears a fox davy crocket style hat on his head too to this day

garv123

you cant blame the fox here or the parents really.
the fox doesnt know any different and there all living in the gardens so it wasnt fair for them to catch one fox and kill it.
It might not have even been the same fox.
Its the foxes nature to hunt and kill smaller prey.
They got him in a humaine trap which didnt harm him so why not set him off somewhere miles away from the area in the country side. 1 fox killed out of 10,000 (from news report) in the surrounding area wont make much of a difference

It wasn't me!

Because relocation is cruel and, as far as I understand it, illegal.

garv123

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Because relocation is cruel and, as far as I understand it, illegal.

so you'd rather be shot than moved to a new home?