What rules of the road would you change

glic71rods46t0

Just wondering what motoring related rules of the road you would change?
Here some of mine to start with:

1. Allow left turns on red lights (with signs to say not allowed if the junction is really dangerous for such a rule)
2. Increase speed limit for motorways to 140kph including M50
3. Trucks and busses banned from outer lane on motorways and actually enforced by gardai

guil

the first one is a joke anyway, there would be some gob****e that would drive out onto a main road without a care in the world

pjmn

Increase motorway speed limit to 160 km/h

vectra

icv1fsz8m7xone wrote: »

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Increase speed limit for motorways to 140kph including M50

pjmn wrote: »

Increase motorway speed limit to 160 km/h

Do I hear 180 Kph

glic71rods46t0

vectra wrote: »

Do I hear 180 Kph

oh go on then, ya divil !

hobochris

Enforcement of keep left rule, but as a backup make undertaking legal.

Lord Nikon

Stay above 100km/h minimum on the motorway, or speed up or get off.

Andrew33

Most of the rules we already have are pretty sound,
The whole "speeding" thing should be scrapped though,
If you're doing 160(kph) at 3am on a Sunday morning on a motorway,
you DO NOT deserve to be in court beside the guy who
went past a school at 3pm at 80(kph) or maybe 5kph with his cock hangin out.

I drive my car like I have 50 kidney transplant patients onboard (bit cramped I know) and I see f**king gobsh1tes every day operating buses/taxis who should NEVER have a driving licence.
We don't need more rules, we need the rules that are there to be enforced.

leahcim

If you're doing 160(kph) at 3am on a Sunday morning on a motorway,
you DO NOT deserve to be in court beside the guy who
went past a school at 3pm at 80(kph) or maybe 5kph with his cock hangin out.

What does 3am on a Sunday morning have to do with anything. Does peoples driving ability suddenly improve in the middle of the night? My wife and sister regularly drive home from from work in the early morning, do I want them on the motorway with pillocks who overestimate their driving ability, I don't think so., I would have no problem with a judge taking the licence permanently off a tool who gets a hard on by racing around the motorway at night. If you want your kicks go to a track day ffs.

SV

leahcim wrote: »

What does 3am on a Sunday morning have to do with anything. Does peoples driving ability suddenly improve in the middle of the night? My wife and sister regularly drive home from from work in the early morning, do I want them on the motorway with pillocks who overestimate their driving ability, I don't think so., I would have no problem with a judge taking the licence permanently off a tool who gets a hard on by racing around the motorway at night. If you want your kicks go to a track day ffs.

I'd guess it has to do with the fact it wouldn't be as busy. I don't know, just a guess.
How do you know if they're overestimating their driving ability?
Christ.


Anyway, speed limit on Motorways raised to 180 after 11pm till 5am when it reverts back to 140.

Minimum speed limit on all roads except in towns.

You MUST move out of the way for faster moving traffic.


I'd be happy with that

x in the city

1/ any drivers doing under 40mph be banned for life

2/ ban all hyundai accents

3/ wimmins drivers to take 5 tests before they get a pink slip,,:rolleyes:

freighter

icv1fsz8m7xone wrote: »

Just wondering what motoring related rules of the road you would change?
Here some of mine to start with:

1. Allow left turns on red lights (with signs to say not allowed if the junction is really dangerous for such a rule)
2. Increase speed limit for motorways to 140kph including M50
3. Trucks and busses banned from outer lane on motorways and actually enforced by gardai

Agree but allow trucks and buses do 100 kph on the motorway. Im happy and your happy:)

Andrew33

leahcim wrote: »

What does 3am on a Sunday morning have to do with anything. Does peoples driving ability suddenly improve in the middle of the night? My wife and sister regularly drive home from from work in the early morning, do I want them on the motorway with pillocks who overestimate their driving ability, I don't think so., I would have no problem with a judge taking the licence permanently off a tool who gets a hard on by racing around the motorway at night. If you want your kicks go to a track day ffs.

I presume you are the tool who drives by a school at 80kph cos the sign says thats fine (when an experienced driver would know that it was right to slow to 40-50) If I drop a fare in Shankhill at 3am and have to travel back to Citywest I will drive at between 100 and 130 (kph) on the M50 depending on stretch of road and conditions, don't ever confuse speed with bad driving (the biggest lie ever sold to motorists) Speed kills? Tell that to the 200 people on an Airbus heading down to the Algarve at 550 mph.

leahcim

How do you know if they're overestimating their driving ability?

Thats exactly the point. You dont, so the have the make the laws the take account the lowest common denominator. Which unfortunately means the average Joe or Jill who cannot handle 160kph. Its all well and good putting the pedal to the metal and hitting 160kph or whatever on a motorway thats a piece of piss my granny could do that. It more about what happens if you notice a piece of debris on the road and you have 0.5 seconds to react (hit the breakes and you or probably dead, blink and you are probably dead) how many drivers have the expericence to swerve and control the inevitable slide and brink the car under control without killing someone, I would sugggest very few. I'd say most would end up on the morgue table with the bit of **** that started to come as they closed their eyes and hit the brakes still in their pants.

If every driver had the ability of a formula 1 driver sure we could up the limit to 200kph no probs.

leahcim

I presume you are the tool who drives by a school at 80kph

Why would you presume that?

freighter

Andrew33 wrote: »

I presume you are the tool who drives by a school at 80kph cos the sign says thats fine (when an experienced driver would know that it was right to slow to 40-50) If I drop a fare in Shankhill at 3am and have to travel back to Citywest I will drive at between 100 and 130 (kph) on the M50 depending on stretch of road and conditions, don't ever confuse speed with bad driving (the biggest lie ever sold to motorists) Speed kills? Tell that to the 200 people on an Airbus heading down to the Algarve at 550 mph.

Im with you on this buddy. I love drivers like you who drive on and not be in the way. I drive for a living and i can conclude that drivers doing 60kph on a main road are worse than people doing 120 kph breaking the speed limit. I often do be stuck behind cars doing 65-70kph on a main road as andrew said and come to a village/school where a 50kph speed limit applies and they do the same speed.

bad2dabone

I'd make it a rule that you must have a device fitted inside the car that if the driver didn't indicate correctly on a roundabout then the car would come to a halt, gently, and then electrocute the driver.

Mr Benevolent

It wouldn't be a rule of the road as such, but I'd make it mandatory that every car is GPS monitored and network controlled, i.e having the car linked to speed limits, automatic slotting into traffic, radar monitoring of the area around the car, car stops automatically at lights, pedestrians, junctions etc etc.

In other words, the car would be controlled by an autodriver. In areas where the above isn't available control would be handed back to the driver but it would take back control if a collision was imminent, the driver fell asleep or if speed limits were exceeded.

That's the future anyway. Enjoy the present while you can

ballsymchugh

Confab wrote: »

It wouldn't be a rule of the road as such, but I'd make it mandatory that every car is GPS monitored and network controlled, i.e having the car linked to speed limits, automatic slotting into traffic, radar monitoring of the area around the car, car stops automatically at lights, pedestrians, junctions etc etc.

In other words, the car would be controlled by an autodriver. In areas where the above isn't available control would be handed back to the driver but it would take back control if a collision was imminent, the driver fell asleep or if speed limits were exceeded.

That's the future anyway. Enjoy the present while you can

the conspiracy theory forum will love that one!!

i'd make it an offense not to acknowledge someone who lets you into traffic, or lets you past on a narrow street. it's only a wave.

jaffa20

Eh, can't belive nobody has mentioned it. Remove the 30kph limit in Dublin cc first of all. I'd rather walk than drive like a snail. Also, some of the 50kph speed limits are ridiculous when compared to the dangerous 80kph speed limits on country roads. Most dual carriage ways should also be increased from 100kph to 120kph at least.

antomorro-sei

Hasn't this thread been done before?

Anyway: Anyone on a Amnesty licence should have to redo a test; More "cop on" to many of our speed limits. Like, 80km/h on the N4 where there's three lanes, and then 100km/h on a narrow country road. Strange stuff; The left turn being allowed at certain junctions when the lights are red.

Probably a few more too...

mdebets

Scrap the Provisional License. If you want to learn to drive, go to a licensed instructor and learn with him in a dual controlled car, not with your mate, who wouldn't know 90% of the rules of the road.

vectra

leahcim wrote: »

It more about what happens if you notice a piece of debris on the road and you have 0.5 seconds to react (hit the breakes and you or probably dead, blink and you are probably dead) how many drivers have the expericence to swerve and control the inevitable slide and brink the car under control without killing someone, I would sugggest very few. I'd say most would end up on the morgue table with the bit of **** that started to come as they closed their eyes and hit the brakes still in their pants.

You can bet you life there are probably more people that wouldnt be able to react properly in that situation at 100kph than ones that could react at 160.kph
Also on a motorway you only get 0.5 seconds to react..!!
You are not supposed to put on cruise control and go for a nap you know:rolleyes:

leahcim wrote: »

If every driver had the ability of a formula 1 driver sure we could up the limit to 200kph no probs.

LOL
If F1 drivers had to drive at 200kph al the time it wouldnt be long before they would be looking for a new job

keithclancy

Andrew33 wrote: »

Most of the rules we already have are pretty sound,
The whole "speeding" thing should be scrapped though,
If you're doing 160(kph) at 3am on a Sunday morning on a motorway,
you DO NOT deserve to be in court beside the guy who
went past a school at 3pm at 80(kph) or maybe 5kph with his cock hangin out.

I drive my car like I have 50 kidney transplant patients onboard (bit cramped I know) and I see f**king gobsh1tes every day operating buses/taxis who should NEVER have a driving licence.
We don't need more rules, we need the rules that are there to be enforced.

They should have Variable speed limits on the Motorways, I.E. when its totally jammed bring the speed limit down from 120, 80 to 60, this would actually speed traffic up and stop the wave of people braking, stopping and starting.

During non peak hours say, after 10 and until 5am have a recommended limit of 130 but with the caveat that any accident whereby your driving over 130 and the speed was a factor its automatically your fault.

There should be a graduated system for fines aswell, i.e. have different amounts for different percentages over the speed limit and indeed where the offence took place, someone breaking the speed limit in a city/residential area should get a very heavy fine, whereas someone breaking the speed limit on a national road or motorway should get a much lighter fine.

IMO They need to bring in rules to encourage people to use their common sense, some roads in Ireland have speed limits which are not safe to travel on at that speed, people see the limit and automatically think its safe to use that as a target.

Also should require everyone to have an emergency kit in the boot, Warning Triangle, Luminous jacket etc, total necessity if you break down on the motorway imo.

robbie_998

Motor way driving test.

keithclancy

robbie_998 wrote: »

Motor way driving test.

With a Cattle Prod ... BZZZT.. Keep Left .... BZZT .. Keep Left ..

StonedParadoX

take everyone over the age of 65 off the roads

keithclancy

StonedParadoX wrote: »

take everyone over the age of 65 off the roads

And move them all to Dublin so they can avail of the public transport links that don't exist in most places outside of it ?

Certainly they should make them sit some sort of competancy test, but i don't think the "You old, get stuffed" approach would work !

dirtydiesel

freighter wrote: »

Agree but allow trucks and buses do 100 kph on the motorway. Im happy and your happy:)

I second that, modern trucks are more than capable of driving at 100kph safely.

exaisle

guil wrote: »

the first one is a joke anyway, there would be some gob****e that would drive out onto a main road without a care in the world

Turn right on red operates well in lots of other countries....there's no reason why that shouldnt be the case here. It would, at least ,keep the flow of traffic moving and all of the gob***es that would drive out onto a main road would become extinct.... ;-)

vectra

StonedParadoX wrote: »

take everyone over the age of 65 off the roads

A lot of them yes.. But not all..
I know some older drivers and they are well capable..
One for instance is my father in law.. What a nutter.. he is 78 and well up for a bit of wellie

leahcim

LOL
If F1 drivers had to drive at 200kph al the time it wouldnt be long before they would be looking for a new job

We are obvously talking about regular cars here, not formula one cars. The point still stands the rules have to be made to take into account the worst drivers.

In an ideal world we would all be given an assessment on our ability and that combined with the capability of the car we drive we would be given a speed rating. Some people would probably banned from motorways others may be allowed do 160kph.

triple-M

1)make it illegal to drive if your the wrong sex,like they do in Saudi Arabia
2)also have a total clampdown on boy racers and make ugly modiefied cars illegal
3)only allow cool people to drive cool cars
4)get rid of the whole penalty points system

keithclancy

leahcim wrote: »

We are obvously talking about regular cars here, not formula one cars. The point still stands the rules have to be made to take into account the worst drivers.

In an ideal world we would all be given an assessment on our ability and that combined with the capability of the car we drive we would be given a speed rating. Some people would probably banned from motorways others may be allowed do 160kph.

Most modern cars will safely do 160km/h as long as its in a roadworthy condition.

a 1.9 TDI (90HP) Golf will get up to 180 easily enough, 190 - 200 would be about the maximum safe speed, 160 is cruising speed.

The onus should be on the driver to work out whats safe, a sign with numbers on it doesn't fix someones lack of common sense.

I stuck my cruise control at 170 this morning, didn't have to touch the brakes for around 15 km

cjmcork

have a minimum speed limit - any little sh!te doing 30kph on a single lane road should be penalty pointed for causing an obstruction, cos surely this type of driving causes as many accidents as people speeding.........

also, government take note - if when I receive my penalty points in the post I was given the option of paying double the fine to keep the points off my license, I'd gladly pay it...........surely a revenue increasing measure - Minister for Finance, I'll give you that one for free

glic71rods46t0

I would force anyone doing roadworks to put a person on point duty rather than temporary lights.

I was coming up from Limerick a few weeks back and there was roadworks outside one of the small towns not bypassed - Birdhill I think (cant remember the name of the place for sure). Got caught for 30 minutes on Fri nite and about 45 mins on Sunday. In both cases the majority traffic was heading one way (to Limerick on Fri and to Dublin on Sun) but the lights had equal intervals for both sides. No build up on one side and a massive jam on the other - idiots:mad:

vectra

leahcim wrote: »

If every driver had the ability of a formula 1 driver sure we could up the limit to 200kph no probs.

vectra wrote: »

LOL
If F1 drivers had to drive at 200kph all the time it wouldnt be long before they would be looking for a new job

leahcim wrote: »

We are obvously talking about regular cars here, not formula one cars.

Read your own post before trying to correct others.

CR 7

Confab wrote: »

It wouldn't be a rule of the road as such, but I'd make it mandatory that every car is GPS monitored and network controlled, i.e having the car linked to speed limits, automatic slotting into traffic, radar monitoring of the area around the car, car stops automatically at lights, pedestrians, junctions etc etc.

In other words, the car would be controlled by an autodriver. In areas where the above isn't available control would be handed back to the driver but it would take back control if a collision was imminent, the driver fell asleep or if speed limits were exceeded.

That's the future anyway. Enjoy the present while you can

Excellent idea, let drivers go to sleep behind the wheel, and if there's an emergency, switch control back to them suddenly. I can't see any problem with this.

Millions of cars, controlled remotely, some to drive on roads wide enough for 1 and a half cars.:o

btkm8unsl0w5r4

What 38 posts and no mention of fog lights....

Tea 1000

icv1fsz8m7xone wrote: »

3. Trucks and busses banned from outer lane on motorways and actually enforced by gardai

Really think this one is mad. You're in a truck, you're confined to the left lane of a 2-lane motorway, you come up behind a cement truck doing 35mph, and there you're stuck until the motorway ends. Then, quite legally, you can overtake on a two-way road. It's about as stupid as rules get.
I agree with banning them from the right-most lane of a 3 lane motorway, but not 2 lane ones.
And in a country where many people think tyres are only to be replaced when the NCT man tells you, and even then buy the cheapest crap you can find, I'm not sure allowing them to do 160kph is all that safe!

SV

Xiomara Tiny Player wrote: »

What 38 posts and no mention of fog lights....

I think it's a given that those people get beaten on the side of the road with batons for having them on.
Beaten to death if their reason for them being on is "it looks cool"

keithclancy

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Really think this one is mad. You're in a truck, you're confined to the left lane of a 2-lane motorway, you come up behind a cement truck doing 35mph, and there you're stuck until the motorway ends. Then, quite legally, you can overtake on a two-way road. It's about as stupid as rules get.
I agree with banning them from the right-most lane of a 3 lane motorway, but not 2 lane ones.
And in a country where many people think tyres are only to be replaced when the NCT man tells you, and even then buy the cheapest crap you can find, I'm not sure allowing them to do 160kph is all that safe!

Works in Continental Europe, overtaking lane ban on HGV's during peak hours is quite common.

guil

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Really think this one is mad. You're in a truck, you're confined to the left lane of a 2-lane motorway, you come up behind a cement truck doing 35mph, and there you're stuck until the motorway ends. Then, quite legally, you can overtake on a two-way road. It's about as stupid as rules get.
I agree with banning them from the right-most lane of a 3 lane motorway, but not 2 lane ones.
And in a country where many people think tyres are only to be replaced when the NCT man tells you, and even then buy the cheapest crap you can find, I'm not sure allowing them to do 160kph is all that safe!

not really, i drive a truck, the amount of times somone pulls out to overtake ya and they are doin 3 or 4 kmh faster, imagine how long that would take to pass if i didnt let off

Eric Cartman

no maximum speed limit on the right hand lane of motorways (but a minimum speed limit of 120km/h) ,

women/old/taxi/slow drivers banned from the middle and/or right hand lane of dual carrigeways and motorways

school runs of less than 5 miles banned.

allowed to shoot on sight people putting on makeup/ on the phone in the car

not allowed on the road from 8-10 or 4:30-7:30 unless your going to or from work or doeing something 100% essential

kielmanator

icv1fsz8m7xone wrote: »

Just wondering what motoring related rules of the road you would change?
Here some of mine to start with:
1. Allow left turns on red lights (with signs to say not allowed if the junction is really dangerous for such a rule)
2. Increase speed limit for motorways to 140kph including M50
...........

+1
It wrecks my head to the extreme when some langer is in the fast lane when ya come off a roundabout and will not move over or speed up!

hobochris wrote: »

Enforcement of keep left rule, but as a backup make undertaking legal.

+1

x in the city wrote: »

1/ any drivers doing under 40mph be banned for life

2/ ban all hyundai accents

3/ wimmins drivers to take 5 tests before they get a pink slip,,:rolleyes:

+10 here

I think anyone over the age of 65 should have to take the test every year. Extra driving lessons for Mercedes and other posh car drivers. The amount of times they have cut me up, blown through red lights and generally act the maggot is just insane!

P.S. I don't mean to generalise against all Merc and other car drivers, just some!:D

Kielmanator

dr.fuzzenstein

pjmn wrote: »

Increase motorway speed limit to 160 km/h

Minimum!

dr.fuzzenstein

leahcim wrote: »

Thats exactly the point. You dont, so the have the make the laws the take account the lowest common denominator. Which unfortunately means the average Joe or Jill who cannot handle 160kph. Its all well and good putting the pedal to the metal and hitting 160kph or whatever on a motorway thats a piece of piss my granny could do that. It more about what happens if you notice a piece of debris on the road and you have 0.5 seconds to react (hit the breakes and you or probably dead, blink and you are probably dead) how many drivers have the expericence to swerve and control the inevitable slide and brink the car under control without killing someone, I would sugggest very few. I'd say most would end up on the morgue table with the bit of **** that started to come as they closed their eyes and hit the brakes still in their pants.

If every driver had the ability of a formula 1 driver sure we could up the limit to 200kph no probs.

Went to Germany, hired car and spent 2 hours driving at 220 km/h.
No problem, no sweat, no hassle, and there it's legal.
I blew right past the Polizei who where doing about 120 km/h in a van, they didn't even look at me.
Does that mean that Germans are perfectly capable of doing 200+ km/h in a relaxed manner and the Irish are out of ideas at 120? Maybe, but the point is that even at that speed, if you can see quite a bit in front of you, you have time to blink or sneeze.
I have often sat on the Autobahn at 180 km/h for hours on end without a single problem, and Irish motorways can easily handle 140 km/h, I've gone a good bit faster on them.
The point is that speeding on an empty motorway for people who can handle it is about as difficult as having a cup of tea, but speeding through built up areas during the day should carry the death penalty.
Simply droning "Speed Kills" at us does not a road safety campaign make.

leahcim

If every driver had the ability of a formula 1 driver sure we could up the limit to 200kph no probs.

Originally Posted by vectra View Post
LOL

If F1 drivers had to drive at 200kph all the time it wouldnt be long before they would be looking for a new job

We are obvously talking about regular cars here, not formula one cars.

vectra wrote: »

Read your own post before trying to correct others.

What? Do you think formula one drivers drive the F1 cars home or something.
Obviously F1 drivers drive regular cars most of the time. Note the word ability in my post.

So just to clarify, you think it is ok for Mr Joe or Jill Bloggs to come out of the driving test after passing, tear up the sh1tty ould L plate and drive down the M50 160kph in his or her 1.2 punto, beacuse that's what upping the limit the 160 on motorways would mean.

I am all for driving appropriately (slow in urban areas etc) but the reason its 120 is because it is believed this is approperate for the average joe with the average car.

I think there is an argument for allowing higher limits with advanced driving tests and car rating system but that is not likely to happen soon.

Its the same reason council road planners tend to put in more traffic lights rather than roundabouts, the feeling is that traffic lights are safer and result in less crashes. Because most Irish people cannot use roundabouts, or indicators in general for that matter.

Of course anybody who can drive properly would prefer a roundabout.

dr.fuzzenstein

leahcim wrote: »

Thats exactly the point. You dont, so the have the make the laws the take account the lowest common denominator. Which unfortunately means the average Joe or Jill who cannot handle 160kph.

leahcim wrote: »

That's exactly the point. You don't, so the people who make the laws have to take account of the lowest common denominator. Which unfortunately means the average Joe or Jill who cannot handle 160kph.

(fixed that for you, had to have a bit of a think, but this is the best translation I can come up with, is that what you meant to say?)

If we took the lowest, common denominator into account we'd all drive Micras at 30 km/h.
So right now the law doesn't dictate the lowest common denominator.
120 km/h is not a bad limit, but 130 or 140 would be no problem.
Also, there are variable speed limits in operation all over the world, with gantrys displaying whatever limit is appropriate according to weather or traffic. this can range from 80 km/h in dense fog to 120 km/h in heavy traffic or 140 or none in clear conditions.
No problem whatsoever, speed limits don't have to be static, a bit of intelligence never hurt anyone.

Theanswers

Wonder were the rest of the world gets their cars? The same place as us therefore why wouldnt it be safe to drive them above 120kph in Ireland yet safe everywhere else?
anyone with a fear of above 120kph on a motorway should visit europe. 160 kph is considered normal even with the 120kph limit.

Lando Griffin

No agricultural machinery allowled during the rush hours of morning and evening. Road works between 8pm and 7am only