Company Car sold as Private Car?

charmschooldrop

Hi all, just wondering if anyone could help. Bought a car off reputable dealer three yrs ago and ran into a nightmare. Two catastrophic breakdowns and dealership washed their hands of all responsibility. Thing is I don't know much about cars but did ask at point of purchase whether it was a company car and was told that it was "private." Didn't want a company rep running car into ground and then selling it on. Thing is by a major twist of fate-loose lips in dealership-I've discovered that car did have a company background. When I bought it the car was technically private but only because the previous owner who traded it in had purchased it from the company he drove for a few months earlier. As well the company who he bought the car off was the same company the dealership sold the car to originally.Sounds like a scam to me? Has anyone heard of a similar policy operating. Lying bastards are now trying to claim I never asked whether it was a company car. Any advice greatly appreciated as this has been a real nightmare, thx in advance

-Chris-

Moved to new thread

-Chris-

I wouldn't consider that a scam, more that the salesperson considered it a white lie.

In my opinion it's a red herring too - whether the car was a company car or privately owned shouldn't have too much bearing. I'd be more fighting them over the breakdowns.
How soon did they happen after you bought it (months or mileage)? What were the breakdowns? What did they say at the time?



Obviously the fact that it was a company car is something that you were concerned about, and you should have been told the truth, but it's not something to particularly worry about in reality - private cars are abused at least as much as company cars.

copacetic

I'd disagree Chris, it's not for the salesperson to decide what is a 'white lie' and what isn't. If it was, everything would be a 'white lie'.

So the OP could have reason to make a complaint re the dealers lying to him, however it does seem to be grasping at straws.

charmschooldrop

Fighting them over the breakdowns has proven fruitless-claimed it was out of warranty until I got legal to prove that it wasn't. Was told I had to take car back as they repaired it(without consulting me)-as I feared, transmission went then a year later. Out of warranty now. thx for advice but surely it's more than a "white lie" if i had been told the truth I wouldn't have purchased car. My reading of Sales of Goods Act suggest you have a right to be told the truth. And a guy keeping a car for a couple of months and then trading it in to the dealership that sold it to his company. Stinks?

-Chris-

copacetic wrote: »

I'd disagree Chris, it's not for the salesperson to decide what is a 'white lie' and what isn't. If it was, everything would be a 'white lie'.

So the OP could have reason to make a complaint re the dealers lying to him, however it does seem to be grasping at straws.

I'm not saying it's ok for the salesperson to lie, I'm more thinking along the lines that the lie is unlikely to be linked to the problems the OP currently has and therefore should be set aside until the bigger issues are resolved.

(i.e. I think we agree :P)

-Chris-

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Fighting them over the breakdowns has proven fruitless-claimed it was out of warranty until I got legal to prove that it wasn't. Was told I had to take car back as they repaired it(without consulting me)-as I feared, transmission went then a year later. Out of warranty now. thx for advice but surely it's more than a "white lie" if i had been told the truth I wouldn't have purchased car. My reading of Sales of Goods Act suggest you have a right to be told the truth. And a guy keeping a car for a couple of months and then trading it in to the dealership that sold it to his company. Stinks?

Can you give us a timeline and a little more information of what happened?

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

Can you give us a timeline and a little more information of what happened?

Really long and tedious story-had problem within weeks of purchase that were resolved. Withing 5months ecu went-was told the brains of car gone-because he thought it was out of warranty-service guy told me best thing I could do was contact sales guy and see if he'd do me a deal on new car!!! When I went legal and proved that it was under warranty-tune changed.A year later after taking it back reluctantly transmission blew. Suspect car is a lemon but go back to original post-surely a sales guy is obliged to tell truth about car's origin. Wouldn't have purchased if I'd been told the truth-also sounds like scam between company and dealership

copacetic

I don't think you can prove anything and it is very unlikely to be an organised scam as a lot of people would have no issues with a company car.

Does sound like you got a dodgy car but I wouldn't say it was because it was previously a company car, unless it had very high mileage and was clocked which you don't appear to think it was..

Henry Ford III

Can't see how whether car was company or prvately owned makes any difference tbh.

charmschooldrop

copacetic wrote: »

I don't think you can prove anything and it is very unlikely to be an organised scam as a lot of people would have no issues with a company car.

Does sound like you got a dodgy car but I wouldn't say it was because it was previously a company car, unless it had very high mileage and was clocked which you don't appear to think it was..

Did have a very high mileage-that's why I had the conversation. Am surprised so many posters don't see anything potentially wrong with a company car. To me it would be the same as buying a taxi.If I recall correctly Cartell background checks mention whether car has a company background and don't dealerships also offer discounts if a car has a company background. Open to correction but don't think company cars are ever classed as "Private."Has to be a reason for this and bottom line is I would have been in a position to make a choice if I'd been told the truth. I did ask and that choice would have been not to purchase

copacetic

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Did have a very high mileage-that's why I had the conversation. Am surprised so many posters don't see anything potentially wrong with a company car. To me it would be the same as buying a taxi.If I recall correctly Cartell background checks mention whether car has a company background and don't dealerships also offer discounts if a car has a company background. Open to correction but don't think company cars are ever classed as "Private."Has to be a reason for this and bottom line is I would have been in a position to make a choice if I'd been told the truth. I did ask and that choice would have been not to purchase

High Mileage is high mileage, no matter who did it, company cars are mostly serviced to schedule so in theory a company car with high mileage is better than one without and a patchy service history. Personally I'd have checked the history of the car to see was a company one of the owners if I was as concerned as you were.

They lied to you, they shouldn't have, but there is little you can do about it now imo (as crappy as that is).

charmschooldrop

copacetic wrote: »

High Mileage is high mileage, no matter who did it, company cars are mostly serviced to schedule so in theory a company car with high mileage is better than one without and a patchy service history. Personally I'd have checked the history of the car to see was a company one of the owners if I was as concerned as you were.

They lied to you, they shouldn't have, but there is little you can do about it now imo (as crappy as that is).

Did check history of car when I first started having problems(a couple of months)-showed up as being "Private" even though I've subsequently discovered it was registered to a company. Thx for opinion but under Sales of Goods Act if it's proven they lied to me then I have a right to redress. Serious no disrespect intended but are you speaking from a position of authority or just an opinion. If the latter,that is totally welcome and appreciated. Just trying to gauge at this stage as affair has caused me no end of distress and I'm seriously thinking of taking it further, thx again.

-Chris-

Can you, or will you ever be able to, prove that you asked the question and was told it was never a company car?

copacetic

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Did check history of car when I first started having problems(a couple of months)-showed up as being "Private" even though I've subsequently discovered it was registered to a company. Thx for opinion but under Sales of Goods Act if it's proven they lied to me then I have a right to redress. Serious no disrespect intended but are you speaking from a position of authority or just an opinion. If the latter,that is totally welcome and appreciated. Just trying to gauge at this stage as affair has caused me no end of distress and I'm seriously thinking of taking it further, thx again.

It's just an opinion. I understand it's stressful for you, but as Chris notes, you have no proof you asked, I'd imagine they'll deny it. Even if you could prove it the car was 'technically' a private car when you bought it.

i.e They lied to you, but I just can't see what you can do about it. Your 'redress' would likely be minimal anyway. As your material loss can't really be proven. If I was you I'd want to do something to, but also not waste my time on it if I know at the start I can't actually succeed in anything but causing me more stress.

By far your best bet is to try to embarrass them into doing a deal with you on a trade in/buy back or something. Start by writing a strong but polite letter to the owner of the garage asking for your situation to be resolved.
See what comes back.

guil

unless ya have something in writing to say it was never a company car theres nothing u can do about it
what car is it

the thing with the warranty aswell, usually ya only get 3 months on a used car and maybe they did it for u cos they didnt want the hassle of a court case

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

Can you, or will you ever be able to, prove that you asked the question and was told it was never a company car?

They have denied it but it'll come down as to whether they're willing to perjure themselves-asking whether something has a company background seems like an obvious question

guil

charmschooldrop wrote: »

They have denied it but it'll come down as to whether they're willing to perjure themselves-asking whether something has a company background seems like an obvious question

but its all hear say, if thats the case whats to stop you from saying they gave a 1 year warranty on it, if in fact they didnt

Henry Ford III

A former Co. car is no less valuable surely?

Strikes me you bought a lemon and are trying any angle to get shot of it.

charmschooldrop

copacetic wrote: »

It's just an opinion. I understand it's stressful for you, but as Chris notes, you have no proof you asked, I'd imagine they'll deny it. Even if you could prove it the car was 'technically' a private car when you bought it.

i.e They lied to you, but I just can't see what you can do about it. Your 'redress' would likely be minimal anyway. As your material loss can't really be proven. If I was you I'd want to do something to, but also not waste my time on it if I know at the start I can't actually succeed in anything but causing me more stress.

By far your best bet is to try to embarrass them into doing a deal with you on a trade in/buy back or something. Start by writing a strong but polite letter to the owner of the garage asking for your situation to be resolved.
See what comes back.

Dealership aren't open to anything at this stage.Again thx for opinions but my reading of Sales of Goods Act is that if it can be proven you were lied to then it means an entitlement to have contract rescinded-in this case it would be far from "minimal." Somethings are worth standing up for as well. Was basically mugged out of fair whack of wedge

-Chris-

charmschooldrop wrote: »

if it can be proven you were lied to...

Can you prove you were lied to?

charmschooldrop

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A former Co. car is no less valuable surely?

Strikes me you bought a lemon and are trying any angle to get shot of it.

Fair opinion. Yes I believe I was sold a lemon, but I also believe my rights as a consumer were breached by being lied to.Sale of Goods Act backs me up. I stress I asked about its origin because I wouldn't have bought it if I'd been told it had a company background. Who wouldn't want to get shot of a lemon by the way? Especially if they were sold it in these circumstances. Not sure what your point is-at least I'm not trying to sell it on to some unsuspecting punter

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

Can you prove you were lied to?

Thx for post everyone-good to get diff opinions. Re-post.All I've got is my word, the fact that I initiated a background check as soon as I started to have problems with the car(showed up as being private, despite being registered to a company) and finally, acted as soon as I discovered that car was falsely registered a couple of weeks ago-about two years after purchase.

-Chris-

In this case, I'd say you should drop the "it's a company car" angle - you don't seem to be able to prove that you were told that (whether you were or not, it doesn't matter, you won't be able to take it legal).

From the private vs company car angle, are you aware of the fact that a company car will be registered as a "private" vehicle? You can register a vehicle as private or commercial, commercial is if you're going to be carrying goods, basically everything else is private.
Is it possible the salesperson said something like "it's always been registered privately" rather than "it's a private car" - slimy I know, but not technically a lie.

I'd also bear in mind that a company car is normally serviced on the button and kept well. It'll happen that drivers will abuse their company cars, but the fact that this driver bought the car after using it as a company vehicle would say to me that this car was not abused in it's company life.

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Now to the history of the car:
What's the make and model of the car?
What was the mileage on the car when you bought it (you say it was high)?
What's the mileage now?
How old was the car when you bought it?
When did you buy it?

How long was the warranty the dealer supplied with the car?
What problems occurred within weeks of the purchase? Were they repaired without hassle or did you have to fight?
The ECU went 5 months after purchase. You had to fight to have that repaired. You say you took the car back reluctantly - did you know at that stage that the car was an ex-company car?
The transmission failed a year later. Would I be correct in assuming that the warranty had expired by a year (give or take) at that stage?
Have you had the transmission repaired at this stage or is the car off the road?


And just to clarify, at what stage in all this did you find out the car was an ex-company car?

Berty

As a company car driver for years I would consider company cars, especially leased cars, to be in much better condition that private cars who only get serviced when the owner "feels like it".

Company cars invariably get serviced quarterly and are well maintained high mileage does not come into the equation for me.

charmschooldrop

Berty wrote: »

As a company car driver for years I would consider company cars, especially leased cars, to be in much better condition that private cars who only get serviced when the owner "feels like it".

Company cars invariably get serviced quarterly and are well maintained high mileage does not come into the equation for me.

No disrespect B but that's your opinion. The point is that's not what I believe and had a right to be told so when I asked. Also, if such is the reputation of company cars why was its history concealed for me and why are the dealership trying to claim I didn't ask-

Berty

charmschooldrop wrote: »

No disrespect B but that's your opinion. The point is that's not what I believe and had a right to be told so when I asked. Also, if such is the reputation of company cars why was its history concealed for me and why are the dealership trying to claim I didn't ask-

It was concealed because you clearly had a hang up about it. If I want to REALLY REALLY buy a smart car for driving between Dublin and Cork then a good salesperson should tell me I should buy something else but somebody who maybe needs to get that extra sale to keep his job will not.

A car should be appreciated on its merits alone not what a salesperson tells you. Never trust somebody who has an agenda or sales target.

Buyer Beware. SIMI or not.

-Chris-

charmschooldrop wrote: »

No disrespect B but that's your opinion.

You'll actually find that's the opinion of nearly everyone who has any significant experience with company cars.

charmschooldrop wrote: »

The point is that's not what I believe and had a right to be told so when I asked.

Absolutely you did.

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Also, if such is the reputation of company cars why was its history concealed for me

As Berty said, because it would have stopped you from buying.

charmschooldrop wrote: »

and why are the dealership trying to claim I didn't ask-

Because you're going to use it as grounds to reject a car that you bought several years ago.

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

In this case, I'd say you should drop the "it's a company car" angle - you don't seem to be able to prove that you were told that (whether you were or not, it doesn't matter, you won't be able to take it legal).

From the private vs company car angle, are you aware of the fact that a company car will be registered as a "private" vehicle? You can register a vehicle as private or commercial, commercial is if you're going to be carrying goods, basically everything else is private.
Is it possible the salesperson said something like "it's always been registered privately" rather than "it's a private car" - slimy I know, but not technically a lie.

I'd also bear in mind that a company car is normally serviced on the button and kept well. It'll happen that drivers will abuse their company cars, but the fact that this driver bought the car after using it as a company vehicle would say to me that this car was not abused in it's company life.

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Now to the history of the car:
What's the make and model of the car?
What was the mileage on the car when you bought it (you say it was high)?
What's the mileage now?
How old was the car when you bought it?
When did you buy it?

How long was the warranty the dealer supplied with the car?
What problems occurred within weeks of the purchase? Were they repaired without hassle or did you have to fight?
The ECU went 5 months after purchase. You had to fight to have that repaired. You say you took the car back reluctantly - did you know at that stage that the car was an ex-company car?
The transmission failed a year later. Would I be correct in assuming that the warranty had expired by a year (give or take) at that stage?
Have you had the transmission repaired at this stage or is the car off the road?


And just to clarify, at what stage in all this did you find out the car was an ex-company car?

Thx again for interest-Reason I'm hung up on Company Car aspect is that I as a punter would not have purchased if I'd known car's history.My reading of Sales of Goods Act is that I was entitled to be told the truth at point of purchase and not to be told this is legally known as misrepresentation. If it was no big deal-why did they lie? Not sure how correct you are about registering as for three years car was registered in name of company-think Cartell establish difference between "private and company though not positive.
If you don't mind, would prefer not to go into too much detail with regard to make or model as this is possibly going to go legal.
Warranty was six months-had to fight from the get go.Because I sensed car was a lemon within weeks said I was willing to accept a credit note.
Took the car back reluctantly because of what I'd been told. When he thought he could avoid doing it he told me to try and get a new deal with salesman. No at that stage I didn't know it was a company car. Salesmen said it was private-showed up private on Cartell and service manager, in response to my suspicions, said that "just because car has high mileage doesn't mean its a company car." Should say at this stage that they're supposed to be a reputable dealer so I trusted them.
Yeah, you're right warranty had expired by about a year at that stage. Car on side of road for a while but have had to have transmission revamped at this stage-thousands of euro-and have only got a six months guarantee. And finally, only discovered in the last few weeks that it was a company car-registered to a company for at least 30 of the 36months prior to my purchase. Was livid and immediately contacted solicitor.

-Chris-

Apologies, but my advice would be that you not bother going legal. My reading of it is that you'll spend a lot of time, effort and possibly money pursuing this and I don't believe you have any comeback at this point.

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

You'll actually find that's the opinion of nearly everyone who has any significant experience with company cars.



Absolutely you did.



As Berty said, because it would have stopped you from buying.



Because you're going to use it as grounds to reject a car that you bought several years ago.

That's why I'm leaning towards not going quietly, still suspect that history as referred to in OP sounds like a scam. Why does a company car driver buy a car of the company that employed him and then within weeks/months sell it on to the dealership who know they sold it to his company. If that doesn't sound scammy don't know what does

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

Apologies, but my advice would be that you not bother going legal. My reading of it is that you'll spend a lot of time, effort and possibly money pursuing this and I don't believe you have any comeback at this point.

Thx for opinion-is appreciated. I think you said earlier it's a personal opinion as opposed to professional. Will weigh all up before deciding but my instinct tells me a wrong has gone down and if they're willing to perjure themselves fair enough-will leave the rest to Karma as opposed to- bad joke alert-carma.

charmschooldrop

Berty wrote: »

It was concealed because you clearly had a hang up about it. If I want to REALLY REALLY buy a smart car for driving between Dublin and Cork then a good salesperson should tell me I should buy something else but somebody who maybe needs to get that extra sale to keep his job will not.

A car should be appreciated on its merits alone not what a salesperson tells you. Never trust somebody who has an agenda or sales target.

Buyer Beware. SIMI or not.

This buyer was beware. I asked question-he didn't know I had a hang-up at this stage. Sales of Goods Act and consumer protection legislation is supposed to take care of rest. I don't expect you to have read it and I have. It's called misrepresentation and is a serious offence if proven. Truth is on my side.

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

Can you prove you were lied to?

Also forgot. Do have a witness(admittedly partner) who is gladly willing to swear that I told her at the time that I asked about high mileage and did ask whether it had a company background, thx again

Berty

charmschooldrop wrote: »

t's called misrepresentation and is a serious offence if proven. Truth is on my side.

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Also forgot. Do have a witness(admittedly partner) who is gladly willing to swear that I told her at the time that I asked about high mileage and did ask whether it had a company background, thx again

And is this person impartial?

-Chris-

charmschooldrop wrote: »

That's why I'm leaning towards not going quietly, still suspect that history as referred to in OP sounds like a scam. Why does a company car driver buy a car of the company that employed him and then within weeks/months sell it on to the dealership who know they sold it to his company. If that doesn't sound scammy don't know what does

It's actually not unusual at all - a lot of companies allow their drivers to buy their cars at the end of their business life for a reduced price. It's considered a bit of a perk.
Some drivers will buy their cars for personal use, some will buy their car with the intention of selling it on for a bit of a profit. I've actually found it fairly common for a driver to buy their car from the company with it already sold to a neighbour or family member - someone who knows the history of the car and how it was treated.
None of them will buy their cars if their experience of it has been negative.

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Thx for opinion-is appreciated. I think you said earlier it's a personal opinion as opposed to professional. Will weigh all up before deciding but my instinct tells me a wrong has gone down and if they're willing to perjure themselves fair enough-will leave the rest to Karma as opposed to- bad joke alert-carma.

It's the personal opinion of someone who's been in the motor industry for 11 years, both in fleet (company cars) and retail sales.
It's not a professional opinion because the only professional opinion you should worry about is that of a legal eagle or consumer ombudsman who will tell you if your case has legal weight or not.

guil

From what u have said I think it looks as if ya bought the car. Never maintained it and when it finally broke ya wanted to blame the dealer

charmschooldrop

guil wrote: »

From what u have said I think it looks as if ya bought the car. Never maintained it and when it finally broke ya wanted to blame the dealer

And in what area of car-sales do you work in? Might be difficult but try to be for real-i hadn't got it a wet week before it started showing problems

charmschooldrop

Berty wrote: »

And is this person impartial?

Try not to be wilfully disingenuous.In case you're being sarcastic-Did use word "admittedly" with regard to partner. She might be compromised in terms of relationship but not with regard to the truth of what transipired. Nothing to contribute with regard to Sales of Goods Act I see

freighter

Why are you lookin for a solution three years later op. Sell the car and get over it.

Berty

charmschooldrop wrote: »

And in what area of car-sales do you work in? Might be difficult but try to be for real-i hadn't got it a wet week before it started showing problems

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Try not to be wilfully disingenuous.In case you're being sarcastic-Did use word "admittedly" with regard to partner. She might be compromised in terms of relationship but not with regard to the truth of what transipired. Nothing to contribute with regard to Sales of Goods Act I see

You obviously know ALL your rights and very openly challenge anybody who tries to contribute here.

/Ignore Thread

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

It's actually not unusual at all - a lot of companies allow their drivers to buy their cars at the end of their business life for a reduced price. It's considered a bit of a perk.
Some drivers will buy their cars for personal use, some will buy their car with the intention of selling it on for a bit of a profit. I've actually found it fairly common for a driver to buy their car from the company with it already sold to a neighbour or family member - someone who knows the history of the car and how it was treated.
None of them will buy their cars if their experience of it has been negative.





It's the personal opinion of someone who's been in the motor industry for 11 years, both in fleet (company cars) and retail sales.
It's not a professional opinion because the only professional opinion you should worry about is that of a legal eagle or consumer ombudsman who will tell you if your case has legal weight or not.

Thx for that and interested to hear that your opinion has professional weight. What you say seems to explain the car's history. Still sounds a bit dodgy with regard to how its passed on2 to the dealership that originally sold it. They must be aware of cosy perk and it allows them to claim its "private" when they try to sell it on. Either way that's not significant. Possible case stands or falls as to whether the dealership scumbags-and I don't use the term lightly-are willing to perjure themselves.Am willing to go down in flames on this, primarily because I wouldn't like anyone else to run into this.For obvious reasons, I know hold the car salesmen in lower esteem than I do bankers. And thx with regard to info about Consumer Ombudsman-didn't know one existed-will look into that on Tuesday

charmschooldrop

freighter wrote: »

Why are you lookin for a solution three years later op. Sell the car and get over it.

Maybe you can afford to kiss a significant amount of money good bye. I can't.

freighter

Dont bother your too late enquiring about it now....

-Chris-

charmschooldrop wrote: »

And thx with regard to info about Consumer Ombudsman-didn't know one existed-will look into that on Tuesday

I hope you listen to them more closely than you've listened to us...

charmschooldrop

Berty wrote: »

You obviously know ALL your rights and very openly challenge anybody who tries to contribute here.

/Ignore Thread

Don't know my rights. Just looking for help and info. If you read post of that prompted my quote you namechecked-you'd understand why I replied as I did. You sounded sarcastic with regard to my partner's impartiality.I responded accordingly. Just coz she's my partner doesn't mean she's willing to perjure herself.

charmschooldrop

freighter wrote: »

Dont bother your too late enquiring about it now....

Says who?

mickdw

This company issue is nonsense. What is the issue? Where is the scam? Guy buys car off company for most likely trade value. It is most likely a car that he had been driving from new. Many company car drivers do this. The fact that he then traded it in is not so strange to me.
It sounds like you didnt do your homework OP. The car would have 2 recorded owners (1 previous owner on log book of last owner). If you did your homework you would have seen the owner change again after a few months. You would then have looked deeper or at least been suspicious.
I would say, get over it. The company car issue is nonsense, it appears the mileage is showing correct & it possibly had only the one driver from new. It would be serviced on the button & you were buying off the original supplying dealer which all sounds good tbh.
ONly thing thats wrong is that it has now started giving trouble which appears be along time after purchase & out of warranty. The Garage did nothing wrong, the car appears genuine, you went for high mileage & perhaps are paying the price now

charmschooldrop

-Chris- wrote: »

I hope you listen to them more closely than you've listened to us...

Not sure why you're saying this. I have listened carefully and politely to everything that's been said. Sense I'm beginning to get from more recent posts is that a lot of posters work in the industry and and are circling the wagons to protect their own. I don't include you in this. You had the good grace to state that you worked in the industry. I could go to court and lose but it won't change the reality that if this is what passes for best practise in the Irish Motor Industry then something is very very rotten. Don't expect anyone to agree with me.Thx again for your posts

freighter

charmschooldrop wrote: »

Says who?

Says common sense 3 years later.:rolleyes:

-Chris-

mickdw wrote: »

Guy buys car off company for most likely trade value. It is most likely a car that he had been driving from new...

...it appears the mileage is showing correct & it possibly had only the one driver from new. It would be serviced on the button & you were buying off the original supplying dealer which all sounds good tbh.

Based on this description, this would actually a car that I'd be very interested in. There are no red flags raised with this version of the car tbh.