Snipers Unite

Paddy Pantsdown

TheDoc wrote: »

And again, I bow out of this thread and let it run its wild course.

Good day to you all

NakedDex wrote: »

70/40?
Having a lipo in your M4 means exactly squat. It's of no real advantage whether your rifle can put out 15rps or 18rps, that's simply bragging rights. If you're a decent shot, you won't need that speed anyway.

There are other options beyond a leg holster too, a hell of a lot in fact. For my money, the best sidearm for any wannabe sniper is not just a pistol, but a NBB pistol. The Maruzen P99 NBB, in my opinion, being one of the best. Powerful, silent, incredibly comfortable and compact. The TM Mk23 is a bulkier but amazingly accurate and far-reaching option also, I've seen it out-range AEG's.
Both are small, quiet, light and compact with great effectiveness, range and accuracy. In otherwords, no compromise from slinging a full rifle on your shoulder.

yeah but if you need to keep heads down what would you rather worse, a 30rps 7.4v lipod m4 with 300 in the clip or soem auld non blowback pistol with 20 shots that takes you 3 seconds to pull the trigger everytime.

i rest my case.:D

Witcher

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

yeah but if you need to keep heads down what would you rather worse, a 30rps 7.4v lipod m4 with 300 in the clip or soem auld non blowback pistol with 20 shots that takes you 3 seconds to pull the trigger everytime.

i rest my case.:D

Lipo M4= spray everywhere wasting nearly a whole mag of bbs..few hits

Pistol= 20 rounds, careful ammo use..possibly 20 hits

I rest my case.

jeawan

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

yeah but if you need to keep heads down what would you rather worse, a 30rps 7.4v lipod m4 with 300 in the clip or soem auld non blowback pistol with 20 shots that takes you 3 seconds to pull the trigger everytime.

i rest my case.:D

3sec to pull the trigger :rolleyes: i can get about 6 or more shots off in 3 sec easy with a pistol , last time i went sniper i hit more people with my pistol then rifle , mind you it was a very close quarter game

Paddy Pantsdown

Blay wrote: »

Lipo M4= spray everywhere wasting nearly a whole mag of bbs..few hits

Pistol= 20 rounds, careful ammo use..possibly 20 hits

I rest my case.

im not talking about snipering with the m4 its for puttin people on the ground when it starts to roar, not cafully aimed shots when theyres 3-4 lads advancin on your position.

plus it has the range and capacity to reach out and touch the foilage and cover around them.

jeawan wrote: »

3sec to pull the trigger :rolleyes: i can get about 6 or more shots off in 3 sec easy with a pistol , last time i went sniper i hit more people with my pistol then rifle , mind you it was a very close quarter game

non-blowback is it?:rolleyes:

Witcher

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

im not talking about snipering with the m4 its for puttin people on the ground when it starts to roar, not cafully aimed shots when theyres 3-4 lads advancin on your position.

If you're sniping you're looking to carry minimal gear and make less noise..carrying an M4 and letting rip is going to alert them(and everyone) to where you are and should you miss your going to be in a bit of a hairy position when 4/5 lads lay down rounds on you lying in a ditch.

The pistol would let you get them all quietly from behind and really if it comes down to a firefight between you and riflemen you're doing something fundamentally wrong and no "lipo m4" will save you.

NakedDex

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

yeah but if you need to keep heads down what would you rather worse, a 30rps 7.4v lipod m4 with 300 in the clip or soem auld non blowback pistol with 20 shots that takes you 3 seconds to pull the trigger everytime.

i rest my case.:D

I've got news for you kid, if you get into a situation, as a sniper, where you need a 30rps rifle (which, at 7.4v, I find questionable) to "keep heads down", you've screwed up big time. If it happens regularly, it might be time to question whether you should be choosing a different role.

As for taking three seconds to pull a pistol trigger, this estimation might explain why you need an AEG back-up. If it takes you three seconds to pull a pistol trigger, how do you operate your bolt-action rifle with any speed?

Paddy Pantsdown

NakedDex wrote: »

I've got news for you kid, if you get into a situation, as a sniper, where you need a 30rps rifle (which, at 7.4v, I find questionable) to "keep heads down", you've screwed up big time. If it happens regularly, it might be time to question whether you should be choosing a different role.

As for taking three seconds to pull a pistol trigger, this estimation might explain why you need an AEG back-up. If it takes you three seconds to pull a pistol trigger, how do you operate your bolt-action rifle with any speed?

your gettin away from teh argument here, the m4 is for back up...................b-a-ck....u-p....., :rolleyes:
im not trying to sniper with it, it is back up for those SHTF moments when a pistol just wont do, its for when your back again a wall and you have no other option.


my gspeck is for snipering with, one shot ....one kill, im not tryin to slam fire the b1tch as fast as i can.:D


PS 30rps is quite capable from a 7.2v lipo, cos its all about the benjamins mAh and c rating.
trust me im an ingineer.

jeawan

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

im not talking about snipering with the m4 its for puttin people on the ground when it starts to roar, not cafully aimed shots when theyres 3-4 lads advancin on your position.

plus it has the range and capacity to reach out and touch the foilage and cover around them.



non-blowback is it?:rolleyes:

no it's a blow back

J.D.R

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

your gettin away from teh argument here, the m4 is for back up...................b-a-ck....u-p....., :rolleyes:
im not trying to sniper with it, it is back up for those SHTF moments when a pistol just wont do, its for when your back again a wall and you have no other option.

And what everyine else is saying is that, if SHTF so much that you need an M4, you should think about switching roles, cause your obviously doing something wrong as a sniper

Witcher

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

trust me im an ingineer.

They teach you about airsoft mechanics in "ingineering" college do they?:pac::pac:

Leftyflip

Can we get Paddy and another sniper to have a face off? Paddy can have his VSR and M4 as he swears by and the other can have their rifle and pistol. We can all sit back and see who wins?

Actually, now that I think about it

Witcher

Leftyflip wrote: »

Can we get Paddy and another sniper to have a face off? Paddy can have his VSR and M4 as he swears by and the other can have their rifle and pistol. We can all sit back and see who wins?

Thanks for volunteering Lefty..good luck:P

Leftyflip

Blay wrote: »

Thanks for volunteering Lefty..good luck:P

Need some upgrades first... And a scope that f*ckin zero's decently...

Blazer

Blay wrote: »

They teach you about airsoft mechanics in "ingineering" college do they?:pac::pac:

ah leave him enough..he's only sniping 2 weeks which is why he needs a M4 as backup

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66380363#post66380363

TheDoc

Sc@recrow wrote: »

ah leave him enough..he's only sniping 2 weeks which is why he needs a M4 as backup

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66380363#post66380363

No need for low blows now

NakedDex

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

your gettin away from teh argument here, the m4 is for back up...................b-a-ck....u-p....., :rolleyes:
im not trying to sniper with it, it is back up for those SHTF moments when a pistol just wont do, its for when your back again a wall and you have no other option.


my gspeck is for snipering with, one shot ....one kill, im not tryin to slam fire the b1tch as fast as i can.:D


PS 30rps is quite capable from a 7.2v lipo, cos its all about the benjamins mAh and c rating.
trust me im an ingineer.

Firstly, and I'm not being offensive when I say this, but can you please use punctuation, grammar and spelling? It's awfully difficult to read your posts.

Next, "sniper" is not a verb. It's a noun. One doesn't go snipering, that's just silly.

Furthermore, call the M4 you're using what you will, the fact remains that it's more bane than boon. I'm not sure how much experience you've actually had with sniping, but from what you suggest thus far, I would presume very little.
As a sniper, getting into engagements where a full-size, full-auto capable rifle is required means you're failing the stealth part of the role and compensating for it with brute force. That's generally the preserve of support gunner, not a sniper.
Feel more than free to use what you wish, but this is the advice (not just from myself, but the others who've contributed) of an experienced player who's has a tad more than two weeks under their belt: Use a pistol. If you absolutely must have full auto, get a Glock 18c. If you want something more useful to a sniper (IE: accurate, silent and compact) get a TM Mk23 or Maruzen P99 NBB. If it has to specifically look threatening, get an FPG kit for the Glock 18c, or a stockless shotgun. If you need to be loud, get grenades.

I used to cringe whenever someone would tell me they wanted an MP5k as "sniper back up". It seems less silly now. The bar has been raised.


Lastly, you may be an ingineer, but I'm an engineer. Specifically in electronics and aeronautics. I'd have that M4 chrono'd if I were you. Head into an airsoft store, or at your local site, and ask them to check it for both muzzle energy and rate of fire. You may be surprised.

Paddy Pantsdown

NakedDex wrote: »

Firstly, and I'm not being offensive when I say this, but can you please use punctuation, grammar and spelling? It's awfully difficult to read your posts.

Next, "sniper" is not a verb. It's a noun. One doesn't go snipering, that's just silly.

Furthermore, call the M4 you're using what you will, the fact remains that it's more bane than boon. I'm not sure how much experience you've actually had with sniping, but from what you suggest thus far, I would presume very little.
As a sniper, getting into engagements where a full-size, full-auto capable rifle is required means you're failing the stealth part of the role and compensating for it with brute force. That's generally the preserve of support gunner, not a sniper.
Feel more than free to use what you wish, but this is the advice (not just from myself, but the others who've contributed) of an experienced player who's has a tad more than two weeks under their belt: Use a pistol. If you absolutely must have full auto, get a Glock 18c. If you want something more useful to a sniper (IE: accurate, silent and compact) get a TM Mk23 or Maruzen P99 NBB. If it has to specifically look threatening, get an FPG kit for the Glock 18c, or a stockless shotgun. If you need to be loud, get grenades.

I used to cringe whenever someone would tell me they wanted an MP5k as "sniper back up". It seems less silly now. The bar has been raised.


Lastly, you may be an ingineer, but I'm an engineer. Specifically in electronics and aeronautics. I'd have that M4 chrono'd if I were you. Head into an airsoft store, or at your local site, and ask them to check it for both muzzle energy and rate of fire. You may be surprised.

I dont see why theres all the hostility here guys, im just doin things my way and succedin at it but it seems theres always the cool gang who wont see anything done anyway but theirs cos its right, end of.

get a grip guys, you just might find out that you are wrong or not as right as you taught you were in the first place.

the m4 was chronod on a site the other week as 315 fps & 30 rps.

as for your self serving superiourity complex evident in you post ill have you know im dyslexic so bein able to write thinsg down is the most important thing for me, grammer and all the rest of that sh1et come a very far behind second.:mad:

maybe i should just stay out of this forum altogethr, maybe that would please youre emenance.

well done guys way to make a person feel welcome to "youre" sport.:mad:

and ive had CEng MIEI afetr my name for the last 15 odd years, so you can stick that in youre spell checker and rund it.

Paddy Pantsdown

jeawan wrote: »

no it's a blow back

piont proven there son.:D

jeawan

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

piont proven there son.:D

How ? i use the pistol regularly and it does not take 3sec to fire one shot far from it . I'll be in Oakridge this Sunday of you what to pop along and we'll test it out.

Blazer

jeawan wrote: »

How ? i use the pistol regularly and it does not take 3sec to fire one shot far from it . I'll be in Oakridge this Sunday of you what to pop along and we'll test it out.

agreed...in about 3 seconds I'd be able to double tap each second so say 6 bbs at least..no way would it take anyone 3 seconds...unless they forgot to put the mag in

NakedDex

There was no hostility intended in any post, but you seem incredibly dismissive of everyones advice. Advice that has proven to be the most effective over the years by innumerate people.
As I said, feel free to do as you please. This is just advice, and the purpose of this forum.

Speaking of which, try www.hyperwords.com. It's an automatic spelling and grammar check for Internet use. A quick download and it runs in the background from there. I find it very useful for webmail usage etc. Not being at all funny here, again, this is just something that a friend with mild dyslexia told me about. It helped them no end with work documents.


The opinions on gear expressed are not indications of us "owning" the sport or trying to be a blinkered "cool gang". Just those of a group of experienced players, informing you of the hassles you will face in your choice, and offering alternatives. All posts were written in helpful tones, not aggressive.

J.D.R

Paddy Pantsdown wrote: »

I dont see why theres all the hostility here guys, im just doin things my way and succedin at it but it seems theres always the cool gang who wont see anything done anyway but theirs cos its right, end of.

Just like to point out, you come here looking for advice from experienced Sniprs, and then dismiss their advice?

Well, OK then

Silent Death

J.D.R wrote: »

Just like tpo point out, you coime here looking for advice from experienced Sniprs, and then dismiss their advice?

Well, OK then

All i wanted was to help people

TheDoc

Silent Death wrote: »

All i wanted was to help people

Unforntunately a part of that should be opening discussion and dispelling some myths about airsoft sniping.

Unfortunately every time someone does it they take it to heart and have a whinge over it.

I'm probably not the best person to convey the points since I'm regarded as hostile.

But it is people just trying to help hear and bear in mind for over 2 years we have come accross the same sniper dilema of " I'm taking a rifle, with my rifle for backup".

Also as Paddy there is a relatively new player , we are probably a bit eager to try give him some advice, especially when his choices, on paper, seem very difficult and non practical.

But as he says himself do what pleases you and what your comfortable with.

But dont dismiss the advice of people like Dex who have been rocking this game for along time, and who is one of the top posters around ehre with bags of knowledge.

The ****er just came back, dont make him leave again

He hasnt even started his magpul crusade, getting something, even guccier

NakedDex

Magpul is sooo last season...


Mah shít's custom.

Paddy Pantsdown

NakedDex wrote: »

There was no hostility intended in any post, but you seem incredibly dismissive of everyones advice. Advice that has proven to be the most effective over the years by innumerate people.
As I said, feel free to do as you please. This is just advice, and the purpose of this forum.

Speaking of which, try www.hyperwords.com. It's an automatic spelling and grammar check for Internet use. A quick download and it runs in the background from there. I find it very useful for webmail usage etc. Not being at all funny here, again, this is just something that a friend with mild dyslexia told me about. It helped them no end with work documents.


The opinions on gear expressed are not indications of us "owning" the sport or trying to be a blinkered "cool gang". Just those of a group of experienced players, informing you of the hassles you will face in your choice, and offering alternatives. All posts were written in helpful tones, not aggressive.

lookin bcka on my all the posts i suppose i wasnt really listening to the advice beeing giving, it was moreso the way it was delivered that got my back up about things.

im sorry to have come accross as i did, thank you for youre link, unfortunately the domain name has expired, but i appreciate the sentimetn.

thanks for all thew advise guys, sorry for beings so arguementive.

TheDoc

No one was trying to be egotistical or bigheaded, its just bout dropping the truth bombs

Silent Death

TheDoc wrote: »

Unforntunately a part of that should be opening discussion and dispelling some myths about airsoft sniping.

Thats all good, so long as people benifit in happy

Blazer

having the same discussion with my mate who wants to buy a sniper rifle..he's going to use his G36c then as backup as well...just in case
I've tried telling him that this completely negates the sniper role (which I play myself) and that if he has to resort to the G36 then he's obviously not playing the role right...
I suppose everyone is the same starting out..remember I had the same thoughts but then decided against it as I couldn't be arsed dragging two guns around with me and instead just rely on my M9 for backup..

Kurbinator

Tell him to get an M14.Great gun has good accuracy plus full auto and semi.Let him snipe with that for a bit.Then after a few months if he likes sniping he can get a nice gun if not he has a great AEG.
Or he could start off with a regular AEG and work his way up to it.
I went from:
M4 to M14 to L96+MK23.
Hope that helped and didn't start a mad debate