SGU 1x19 "Incursion Part 1" **SPOILERS**

Sherifu

Commander Kiva of the Lucian Alliance has managed to board the Destiny and has taken several of the crew hostage.

Thought this was a great episode. Loved seeing Sam and her command decision versus what Young did.

don ramo

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class, wonder what exactly happened that alliance fella, id say when the alliance dialed in it made destiny fall out of FTL in a very bad neighbourhood, thus what killed him and why they cant reenter FTL,

i know theres a part 2 (and most likly part 3) to go yet, but the alliance is now on destiny so id say there there for good, cant wait to see how they make it work,

or if not one of the crews gets off the ship, encounters an alien race that will probably help them chase destiny for most of next season,

its weird how much im now enjoying the show now, TBH i wasnt so sure after the first episode, and even 5-7 in it looked to be going nowhere, since it came back from midseason, its really takin it up a few notches, its keeping the early season darkness and added a lot of pace, and it works well, probably better than both SG1 and Atlantis,

one bad point though, they pulled an atlantis when they just randomly pulled out a device that can magically open destinys door, it probably is worse that the dell crystal interface,

Rascal77

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Really enjoying this show at the moment, I'd say what killed the guy opening the door was either a new ship ai we haven't seen yet or Franklin when he disappeared after using the chair he became part of Destiny and is helping out.

Sherifu

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Definitely getting a Voyager vibe from the whole incursion storyline unless the Lucian alliance have some way to get home yet to be revealed. Otherwise I suspect it'll be a merging of the crews much like Voyager.

Whatever happened to the guy killed at the locked door I assume was some kind of harmful rays external to the ship that weren't blocked out by the shield. The suggestion that it may be Franklin would be cool but I suspect it's linked to why they haven't re-entered hyperspace. I'm guessing some kind of harmful rays.

I also doubt Eli & Chloe are at the front of the ship for no reason. I'm thinking they'll find something there to defeat the Lucian Alliance or else uncover some new function the ship has.

Going back to Youngs decision not to vent the gate room reminded me of a similar scene in BSG where Saul Tigh had to choose venting sections of the ship to put out a fire but killing fire teams in those areas. A key difference is Galactica was in iminent danger of blowing up but I still think Young made the wrong call. It wasn't easy for Carter to leave the X302s behind either but it had to be done.

Now I have to resist watching the leaked copy of episode 20 with russian audio

Ronanc1

McKay

One thing that i realised upon watching this one Was "why do the lucian alliance want destiny"

If they have nearly all the intel gathered on her since the icarus refugees arrived they'd know that its a bucket of boltes barely held together, really old in comparison to current lantean tech consider ftl VS hyperdrive, there isnt even access to the vital systems plus its a fight to stay alive on board regarding food and water and whats the point, destiny is what like 6/7 galaxies away and unfathomable distance what possible use could keeva and her hundred or so make with it, considering they'd never get back to the milkyway in their lifespans even if they coould figure out how to get control of navigation and they cant gate back!

hightower1

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Did anyone else think when the scene with Rush and Youngs shouting match......


Adriannnnnn!!!!

alastair_doom

Vent the whole thing into space

So when they vented the atmosphere on Rush/Telford, they were able to run in and resuscitate him. So why didn't they vent the atmosphere in the gate room, then run in after the Lucian alliance lads were dead and resuscitate Telford again?

Overheal

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alastair_doom wrote: »

So when they vented the atmosphere on Rush/Telford, they were able to run in and resuscitate him. So why didn't they vent the atmosphere in the gate room, then run in after the Lucian alliance lads were dead and resuscitate Telford again?

They would have put a gun to telfords head long before asphyxiating.

Ronanc1 wrote: »

One thing that i realised upon watching this one Was "why do the lucian alliance want destiny"

If they have nearly all the intel gathered on her since the icarus refugees arrived they'd know that its a bucket of boltes barely held together, really old in comparison to current lantean tech consider ftl VS hyperdrive, there isnt even access to the vital systems plus its a fight to stay alive on board regarding food and water and whats the point, destiny is what like 6/7 galaxies away and unfathomable distance what possible use could keeva and her hundred or so make with it, considering they'd never get back to the milkyway in their lifespans even if they coould figure out how to get control of navigation and they cant gate back!

Its surely more than 6 or 7, dont be fooled because that camera cut away from the starmap in the first ep. The old girl is waaaaaaaaaaaay out there. Assume it can cross a galaxy in a year or two. Hell, even 10. And its been out doing that for millions of years.

As for the LA, **** why didnt they come with more equipment? stupid begrudgers. I wouldve come with all sorts of fancy science gear. Guns, like :rolleyes: you're going to a desert island and you dont have to pack that light!

somuj

Ronanc1 wrote: »

One thing that i realised upon watching this one Was "why do the lucian alliance want destiny"

If they have nearly all the intel gathered on her since the icarus refugees arrived they'd know that its a bucket of boltes barely held together, really old in comparison to current lantean tech consider ftl VS hyperdrive, there isnt even access to the vital systems plus its a fight to stay alive on board regarding food and water and whats the point, destiny is what like 6/7 galaxies away and unfathomable distance what possible use could keeva and her hundred or so make with it, considering they'd never get back to the milkyway in their lifespans even if they coould figure out how to get control of navigation and they cant gate back!

We dont know anything much about Destiny's FTL. Could be 10 times better and more efficient than hyperdrive technology.

BaconZombie

The one major plot whole is the transfer of pain between Telford and Rush.

The Taser type device to the neck did not transfer but suffocation did ???

don ramo

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BaconZombie wrote: »

The one major plot whole is the transfer of pain between Telford and Rush.

The Taser type device to the neck did not transfer but suffocation did ???

well one knocks you unconcius, the other will kill you, so i think you might feel a pinch anyway

Ronanc1

McKay

We dont know anything much about Destiny's FTL. Could be 10 times better and more efficient than hyperdrive technology.

Im pretty sure i remember rush saying it wasnt as fast as hyperdrive in one of the early episodes and it makes sense that way, this was launched prior to the ancients ascending and i think its implied from the rough not nearly as slick designs of other lantean tech like atlantis that the ftl is a slower earlier design of space travel

Its surely more than 6 or 7, dont be fooled because that camera cut away from the starmap in the first ep. The old girl is waaaaaaaaaaaay out there. Assume it can cross a galaxy in a year or two. Hell, even 10. And its been out doing that for millions of years.

My point exactly why would you choose to go to a ship that far out, so far you'd never get it home in your lifetime considering as you said it took it hundreds of thousands of years to get to where it is, kiva mentioned or maybe telford that they were going to claim it for the good of humankind of the galaxy because earthlings are selfish etc or something like that

but the ships no use to them out there and neither can they gate back it just doesnt make much sense theyve practically stranded themselves

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the information alone stored in destinys memeory is reason enough to attempt it, think of how much information there is about civilsations and technology that destiny has, its visited hundreds of galaxies over the last few hundred thousand years,

i think maybe destiny was just programmed to seed the universe with gates, the seeder ship is probably ploting a course to wherever the raw material is to build the gates, id say there could be dozens if not hundreds of ships scouting planets for material, and for lifesupporting planets, so the manufactureing ships come to top up it supplies, built as many stargates with them and seeds them on a life supporting planet,

also the ancients must have had a way to get home after they came aboard destiny, we know it was early in there civiliastion that they launched destiny, as all there gate need that control pad to dial, (one thing i dont understand is why would you seed so many gates around the universe with no way of dialing the bloody thing,) so i think its safe to assume there is a way home,

Overheal

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BaconZombie wrote: »

The one major plot whole is the transfer of pain between Telford and Rush.

The Taser type device to the neck did not transfer but suffocation did ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrmMQ1zy1fA

BaconZombie

That the first thing I thought of, was trying to remember actually what happened to her, it the link swapped when she died.

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrmMQ1zy1fA

Drodan

Wasn't it said before that Destiny always stopped that alien race from bording? If Destiny has a level of AI where it can put up a defence against intruders maybe it dropped out of FTL because the incoming wormhole ment people were not on the ship that shouldn't be, and it won't jump back into FTL unless they're all "taken care of". They guy dying was very much like a manipulation of the shields and the ship in essence "attacking" him.

Eli and Chloe will definitely find something useful too, they have to. I'm hoping some sort large shuttlebay thing area something awesome and full of crazy ancient tech.

I think the show has everything in it btw, completely loving it.

hightower1

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Drodan wrote: »

Eli and Chloe will definitely find something useful too, they have to. I'm hoping some sort large shuttlebay thing area something awesome and full of crazy ancient tech.

I figure we should start taking bets now on what they'll find.....

I'm gonna go with.... cockpit.
That or Franklin all melded with the ship in some grusome man/machine cyborg esk type of way. That'd be cool.

don ramo

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yeah i was thinking theyll fine the bridge alright, or maybe find something thats draining loads of power that can be easily fixed, thus saving powere and letting them explore more of the ship,

i dont understand though why they havent been exploring the ship all along, and how they only found those elevators,

hightower1

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don ramo wrote: »

yeah i was thinking theyll fine the bridge alright, or maybe find something thats draining loads of power that can be easily fixed, thus saving powere and letting them explore more of the ship,

i dont understand though why they havent been exploring the ship all along, and how they only found those elevators,

Yeah I agree, you'd imagine it'd be the first order of business.
Sure its not the safest but its not like they are safe there as it is?
At least if they are actily searchin destiny they have the chance of stumbelling accross something usefull. Its one of the very first things to do in a survival situation... scout your area, get the lay of the land and salvage anything of use.... not bang any chick in site .... SCOTT!

I know where they are right now (at the nose of the ship) is a bit away from their usual haunt of the rear of the ship but with the amount of fannying about they have done they surely could have spared some teams to explore the ship their stuck on instead of waiting round for teams to get back through the gate etc.

Overheal

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Drodan wrote: »

Wasn't it said before that Destiny always stopped that alien race from bording? If Destiny has a level of AI where it can put up a defence against intruders maybe it dropped out of FTL because the incoming wormhole ment people were not on the ship that shouldn't be, and it won't jump back into FTL unless they're all "taken care of". They guy dying was very much like a manipulation of the shields and the ship in essence "attacking" him.

Eli and Chloe will definitely find something useful too, they have to. I'm hoping some sort large shuttlebay thing area something awesome and full of crazy ancient tech.

I think the show has everything in it btw, completely loving it.

I think the key difference before and then was the icarus crew is using up life support and all that - either destiny's shields were a lot tougher, or, the areas like the Control Room and Gate room were in shielded sections. The areas where chloe was abducted were probably not sensitive. In effect they were never able to gain any access to destiny's systems.

Chloe and Eli I almost suspect will find the chamber where your man is now linked into the ship or something.

Ronanc1

McKay

For anyone interested the reason they were forced outta ftl and probably that guys death was

a binary pulsar or so i could make out from part two in ukranian

The Gnome

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Ronanc1 wrote: »

For anyone interested the reason they were forced outta ftl and probably that guys death was

a binary pulsar or so i could make out from part two in ukranian

Interesting, I was thinking something along the lines of

a Gamma Ray Burst

so I wasn't too far off.

I'm hoping the LA don't hang around too long, or at least not integrate Voyager style. I'd rather they continue focusing on characterising the guys we have. Plus Greer is suspicious enough of the civvies as it is. Having to see LA soldiers strolling around would give him an aneurysm.

Would be interesting if Eli and Chloe found some Ancients in suspended animation. They should also be busting out those robots more, pretty sure they can handle some of the hazardous situations that occur. Send one in to the gate room and weld some faces off god damn it!

Ronanc1

McKay

pretty sure they can handle some of the hazardous situations that occur. Send one in to the gate room and weld some faces off god damn it!

ha yeah i was thinking the exact same thing! I do have a feeling that the LA will be sticking around, a culling of them and the rest integrate voyager style,


** Season 2 casting spoilers **

in fact the more i think about it the more it rings true as i was reading here or on gateworld about the addition of a LA scientist that will play counter to rush in season 2 so the likelyhood of some of them sticking round is high ill try find the link

think this is it
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/02/sgu-casting-recurring-villain-for-season-two/[/quote]

don ramo

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Ronanc1 wrote: »

ha yeah i was thinking the exact same thing! I do have a feeling that the LA will be sticking around, a culling of them and the rest integrate voyager style,

in fact the more i think about it the more it rings true as i was reading here or on gateworld about the addition of a LA scientist that will play counter to rush in season 2 so the likelyhood of some of them sticking round is high ill try find the link

think this is it
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2010/02/sgu-casting-recurring-villain-for-season-two/

yeah also robert knepper (t-bag from prison break) is

suppose to have an arc as a LA member next season, so id say its safe to assume there sticking around for a bit,

Also Starring LeVar Burton

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For some reason didn't comment in this thread after I watched the episode (dunno why), but absolutely loved every minute... Roll on the finale...

Also Starring LeVar Burton

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don ramo wrote: »

yeah also robert knepper (t-bag from prison break) is

suppose to have an arc as a LA member next season, so id say its safe to assume there sticking around for a bit,

Good stuff - hopefully that'll work out better for him than his stint on Heroes...

Evolute

Sherifu wrote: »

Whatever happened to the guy killed at the locked door I assume was some kind of harmful rays external to the ship that weren't blocked out by the shield. The suggestion that it may be Franklin would be cool but I suspect it's linked to why they haven't re-entered hyperspace. I'm guessing some kind of harmful rays.

I also doubt Eli & Chloe are at the front of the ship for no reason. I'm thinking they'll find something there to defeat the Lucian Alliance or else uncover some new function the ship has.

It was the shield you got to see it flickering before it hit him That and while he was disintergrating it was the same colour as the shield.
Probably done by franklin trying to give a hand or the ship itself helping because they shouldnt have been in the damaged corridor.

I reckon Eli and Chloe will find a bridge command centre with a big chair type thing like atlantis.
Maybe a stash of weapons left on the ship by the ancients
Or a stasis chamber with someone who was appointed caretaker of the ship possibly Franklin or an Ancient.

Also that was one hell of a cliff hanger and I can't wait for the next episode.

helimachoptor

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Really good episode, what I found interesting was Greers reaction to Scott making a move against Young, he not only stopped him but pushed him back. So it seems clear his loyalty is with his commander and not his friend.

Also regarding what killed the LA soldier, from Gateworld:

NEW! June 6 - "Lives are lost in this high-stakes season finale. A showdown between the Destiny and the Lucian Alliance is interrupted by deadly bursts of radiation ..."

Sherifu

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Ronanc1 wrote: »

For anyone interested the reason they were forced outta ftl and probably that guys death was

a binary pulsar or so i could make out from part two in ukranian

Thanks, my Ukrainian isn't the best but that goes along with what I suspected it was.

Evolute wrote: »

It was the shield you got to see it flickering before it hit him That and while he was disintergrating it was the same colour as the shield.
Probably done by franklin trying to give a hand or the ship itself helping because they shouldnt have been in the damaged corridor.

The shield flickering can easily be from something external which I suspect it will be.

Overheal

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helimachoptor wrote: »

Really good episode, what I found interesting was Greers reaction to Scott making a move against Young, he not only stopped him but pushed him back. So it seems clear his loyalty is with his commander and not his friend.

Well given the way they've established Greer's character, loyalty is a big thing for him.

ixoy

Finally got around to watching this!

I enjoyed it and I really like the momentum they have building up. I'd be very surprised if Franklin isn't behind the ship's seeming sentient defence.

Young was on good form too here - he really came very close to killing Telford-in-Rush. Convincing.

I'm kinda resigned to the idea that the Lucian Alliance are the new Maquis and will be integrated. Hopefully though it will be done better than Voyager where the integration was far too smooth and rarely used for decent dramatic effect. The tensions between the military and civilians is well played out so I've some hope they can do it.

GSPfan

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The bloody Maquis! When are they going to learn new tricks ay? Always telling us its an old Maquis trick. Get some ****in new ones then.

Loved this episode. Love the show. This and Fringe are keeping me gripped when it seems like all my other shows are finishing up or getting cancelled.

helimachoptor

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Overheal wrote: »

Well given the way they've established Greer's character, loyalty is a big thing for him.

Agreed, but what i'm saying is that his loyalty seems to be to his commander and not his friend.

ixoy

helimachoptor wrote: »

Agreed, but what i'm saying is that his loyalty seems to be to his commander and not his friend.

Well he's in the military so his loyalty should be to his officer first and foremost and trust in their command decisions. If everyone kept doubting (like they do in TV all the time!), the command structure would fall apart.

GisforGrenade

McKay

I wouldn't particularly mind having the Lucian alliance on board but I know that Camille is guaranteed to start scheming with them to get her way. I really hate her ham-fisted attempts to play politics, they really need to start writing her better, same as for Chloe, she seems to exist only to be rescued, fought over and to make Eli's life miserable.

helimachoptor

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ixoy wrote: »

Well he's in the military so his loyalty should be to his officer first and foremost and trust in their command decisions. If everyone kept doubting (like they do in TV all the time!), the command structure would fall apart.

Sorry I'm probably not explaining it well, from what we've seen so far Greer has a very close bond with Scott, rather than just manhandle him away, i thought he would have said something like "he's the colonel so he makes the decisions"

token56

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GisforGrenade wrote: »

I wouldn't particularly mind having the Lucian alliance on board but I know that Camille is guaranteed to start scheming with them to get her way. I really hate her ham-fisted attempts to play politics, they really need to start writing her better, same as for Chloe, she seems to exist only to be rescued, fought over and to make Eli's life miserable.

I have to agree Chloe is utterly pointless, and poor Eli, as much as he wants to he's never going to get to hit that.

ixoy

helimachoptor wrote: »

Sorry I'm probably not explaining it well, from what we've seen so far Greer has a very close bond with Scott, rather than just manhandle him away, i thought he would have said something like "he's the colonel so he makes the decisions"

Fair point that - he shoved him away in a very impersonal manner. He could at least have mentioned the chain-of-command. Scott is his buddy as well as his superior officer.

don ramo

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token56 wrote: »

I have to agree Chloe is utterly pointless, and poor Eli, as much as he wants to he's never going to get to hit that.

you never know, apparently the fella playing eli put on a few stone to play the part, and over time he will loose the weight making it seem more realistic, unlike hurley in lost,

so maybe when he loses the weight chloe might shack up with him, but at which point eli probably wont like her anymore, personally i think eli should get with LT James:D

Overheal

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don ramo wrote: »

you never know, apparently the fella playing eli put on a few stone to play the part, and over time he will loose the weight making it seem more realistic, unlike hurley in lost,

so maybe when he loses the weight chloe might shack up with him, but at which point eli probably wont like her anymore, personally i think eli should get with LT James:D

Its funny because when they were running through the halls getting shot at, and you were horrified at the sight of those big Moobs, I shouted at the screen "Run, Fatty!"

TheKells

don ramo wrote: »

you never know, apparently the fella playing eli put on a few stone to play the part, and over time he will loose the weight making it seem more realistic, unlike hurley in lost,

so maybe when he loses the weight chloe might shack up with him, but at which point eli probably wont like her anymore, personally i think eli should get with LT James:D

Why has he not already lost any weight, like we saw ages ago they were all supposed to be getting put on a training regime when Scott was making them run. We know they don't have loads of food there. Surely there should be a noticeable different in a couple of the cast members by now.

Jasperman

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TheKells wrote: »

Why has he not already lost any weight, like we saw ages ago they were all supposed to be getting put on a training regime when Scott was making them run. We know they don't have loads of food there. Surely there should be a noticeable different in a couple of the cast members by now.

well is it not possible all the foods they have being eating are really fattening? its not like they have the ingrediants and daily guideline amount stuff. Although I always thought he seemed to be getting thinner, like his close are getting a little baggy in my eyes or that could be my imagination. And since he seems to know how to work things (like rush) he might be getting an extra bit (or he is stealing it we saw him do that before)

seamus

Overheal wrote: »

Well given the way they've established Greer's character, loyalty is a big thing for him.

And sadism to a certain degree.

somuj

Ronanc1 wrote: »

Im pretty sure i remember rush saying it wasnt as fast as hyperdrive in one of the early episodes and it makes sense that way, this was launched prior to the ancients ascending and i think its implied from the rough not nearly as slick designs of other lantean tech like atlantis that the ftl is a slower earlier design of space travel

He says travelling faster than light but not through hyperspace. Just because it was designed earlier dosen't mean its slower or not as efficient or anything at all really. Concorde was designed before a lot of modern aircraft and if it was still flying would put the majority of them to shame. Could be that it was one of the most advanced drives they ever created but the elements needed to make it were just that rare that not many of them were constructed. Or it could be that it is indeed a pile of crap. We just dont know yet.

DingChavez

McKay

Why did they leave the 302s behind? Asgard beams can beam entire buildings and ships instantly. The jamming was only a small area on the planet. Ironic seeing as it was supposed to constrast good and bad command decisions.

TheKells

Jasperman wrote: »

well is it not possible all the foods they have being eating are really fattening? its not like they have the ingrediants and daily guideline amount stuff. Although I always thought he seemed to be getting thinner, like his close are getting a little baggy in my eyes or that could be my imagination. And since he seems to know how to work things (like rush) he might be getting an extra bit (or he is stealing it we saw him do that before)

I haven't noticed him getting any thinner, but then again I haven't noticed when some of my family have lost weight slowly :eek:

DingChavez wrote: »

Why did they leave the 302s behind? Asgard beams can beam entire buildings and ships instantly. The jamming was only a small area on the planet. Ironic seeing as it was supposed to constrast good and bad command decisions.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, at the very least they could have beamed out the pilots and left the ships behind.

Overheal

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DingChavez wrote: »

Why did they leave the 302s behind? Asgard beams can beam entire buildings and ships instantly. The jamming was only a small area on the planet. Ironic seeing as it was supposed to constrast good and bad command decisions.

imo the producers are making a conscious move away from the "Wow that was handy" moments.

Cos its just too ****ing convenient to use a nuke to blow up a hive ship, that powers a stargate, that kawooshes an ori mothership into oblivion,etc.

That and it was instrumental to the ep's plot :pac: Lets call it an unstable planet made of naquadah and call it time for Tea!

Richard Dower

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Ratings at all time low: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/08/friday-cable-ratings-icarly-stargate-universe-merlin-more/53496

Stargate Universe
- 1.178 million viewers
- 0.8/1 HH
- 0.4/2 A18-49

don ramo

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i dont understand how its gettin such bad ratings, ill give it that it started off slow, but after the midseason break it picked up massively, you would think the numbers would have grown after midseason not shrunk,

Overheal

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well unfortunately theres no unifying plot to run off of and so its easily to lose interest. at least with other shows theres that. Even SG1 had Apophis et all to drive it forward. And Star Trek often found success by recycling plot lines surrounding the Borg or Jem'hadar. And BSG had the Cylons, Religion, and a mysterious Earth. Universe its currently "Where are we going?" "No idea" "Great. Im thirsty."

Theres nothing technically wrong with the episodes but the Season as a whole lacked a strong central plot. It just meandered between 3 or 4 sub plots and hasnt really fleshed them out all that well as i thought they might end up doing.

alastair_doom

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DingChavez wrote: »

Why did they leave the 302s behind? Asgard beams can beam entire buildings and ships instantly. The jamming was only a small area on the planet. Ironic seeing as it was supposed to constrast good and bad command decisions.

I found the whole lot of Sams mission confusing. Normally they would send down commandos, try to break the jamming and try dialing the gate to stop people escaping,all of which would be quite realistic in terms of SG:U.

Instead she gets there.... and decides the best option is to start bombing the place with fighters? No concern for Talford?

For me, every decision made in this ep was uncharacteristic, and just an excuse to get the LA onto the ship. For SG:1 or Atlantis this would be a great ep., but frankly, i expect more from SG:U.