Inferno/evo qualifier prize structure DISCUSSION

bush

Whats the story with the TE stick? I take it thats not in the mix anymore?

chunkis

I am still waiting to hear back regarding the te, if one becomes available it will be be given out to somebody, but not to the person who goes to evo.

chopperbyrne

Nobody has an opinion on this?

Sagat06

chopperbyrne wrote: »

particularly the players who normally finish in and around the top three.

Dont agree with that statement, we are not here to fund them.

This is a once off and extreme situation, and yes I think that this once a smaller prize pot is acceptable

Owwmykneecap

to be honest I'd be fine with no cash prize at all, evos more important, it only a once off occassion. But i think you've come up with a fair compromise, espcially given your putting your own hands in your pockets.

Anyone have anything worth raffling?

chopperbyrne

Sagat06 wrote: »

Dont agree with that statement, we are not here to fund them.

This is a once off and extreme situation, and yes I think that this once a smaller prize pot is acceptable

I didn't mean their opinion holds more weight, just that they're the ones likely to be most affected and we want all our best players to turn up, not stay at home as they feel aggrieved by the prize pot.

Majority rules.

Owwmykneecap

Then no one goes to evo?

Azza

Ramza wrote:

I think 100 is fine, people need to accept the situation with the evo stuff

People need to make up there own minds, they don't have to accept anything.

Ramza

Azza wrote: »

People need to make up there own minds, they don't have to accept anything.

I think if people are really sore about it, they need a good reason. As of now the situations stands with the evo stuff

Seems most people are happy with it anyway

Dreddybajs

Ramza wrote: »

I think if people are really sore about it, they need a good reason. As of now the situations stands with the evo stuff

What does this even mean?

UberPrinny_Baal

As someone who's guaranteed not to be in the top 3 I don't really mind how it's allocated, what's the entry fee though?

Azza

€15.00

Ramza

Dreddybajs wrote: »

What does this even mean?

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66194253&postcount=1

Dreddybajs

Ramza wrote: »

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66194253&postcount=1

chunkis doesn't run inferno though, so this is by no means definitive? I mean if this is what the thread is for I'd like to be able to have my opinion on it either way

edit: oh please kneecaps, I think it's pretty obvious that we mean we want the no evo thing.

Ramza

I was just saying that with the evo stuff going on and the flight needing paying etc I think the lowered pot of 100 between 1st 2nd and 3rd is fair given the situation. I mean people have the right to object but it's just for one week and sending someone to evo is a great plus too

Sisko

Would be a shame to completely dump the Evo thing, I'm in favor of still trying to keep this as a winner gets a ticket to evo.

UberPrinny_Baal

Aye I agree Sisko.

Ken B

If the winner doesn't want to go, they should be free to give the ticket(as it is their property) to whomever they see fit(and wants to go, obviously).....

This solves all the problems IMO.

chunkis

Ken B wrote: »

If the winner doesn't want to go, they should be free to give the ticket(as it is their property) to whomever they see fit(and wants to go, obviously).....

This solves all the problems IMO.

Thats kinda true, but i would like to see 2nd place go, if first place can`t.

I think if 2nd place really wanted to go, and saw the ticket given away to the 3rd place finisher i think he would be heart broken.

But you made a valid enough point.

A-Trak

Creature wrote: »

I vote for the usual money prize too.

Don't look at me like that, I could win. :mad:

No you won't. (I'm not having a go.)

Realistically there are around 5 to 7 people who may finish in top 3.
So that leaves on average 20 plus people who go to this comp's knowing there's no way they'll make any money out of it and it will defineitely cost thme to walk in the door.

So they pay €15 every time, for at most, this.

So for people to say, "No I'm no going if the prize is evo tickets, I'm generally a winner in top 3 or more, the usual prize fund isn't there, it's not worth my while, couldn't care less about Evo, I won't go...."


The community isn't about the winners of the inferno tourneys.....
It's about those that do turn up knowing they're paying to experience something online will never give, someone always wins.

Creature

I was joking...


I'd be lucky to even get last place. I'll probably get negative last place even though thats not even possible or doesn't make any sense.

Sisko

chunkis wrote: »

Thats kinda true, but i would like to see 2nd place go, if first place can`t.

I think if 2nd place really wanted to go, and saw the ticket given away to the 3rd place finisher i think he would be heart broken.

But you made a valid enough point.

Yeah it makes sense to give it to the next person in line as long as they actually want to/will go.

Yreval

As Baal said, the way to go is the one that gets an Irish player to Evo with as little hassle and as little money lost as possible.

I'd seriously consider making this a winner-take-all affair, with the top three maybe getting their entry fee back.

K.O.Kiki

I wonder if I can finally make Top16.
It's been so long...

Placebo

A-Trak wrote: »

No you won't. (I'm not having a go.)

Realistically there are around 5 to 7 people who may finish in top 3.
So that leaves on average 20 plus people who go to this comp's knowing there's no way they'll make any money out of it and it will defineitely cost thme to walk in the door.

So they pay €15 every time, for at most, this.

So for people to say, "No I'm no going if the prize is evo tickets, I'm generally a winner in top 3 or more, the usual prize fund isn't there, it's not worth my while, couldn't care less about Evo, I won't go...."


The community isn't about the winners of the inferno tourneys.....
It's about those that do turn up knowing they're paying to experience something online will never give, someone always wins.

What is the inferno pricing structure?
and where does the extra money go and how much do we have ?
If its not about winning, then surely we dont need an entry fee to be that much, Its like 10$ DOLLARS for SF4 in EVO, why is it €15 EUROS for us? for ranking battles ?
Anyway while 15 is nothing, some people end up spending 50, by getting there, eating and going home and the entry fee is some what an off putter .

Vyze

Placebo wrote: »

What is the inferno pricing structure?
and where does the extra money go and how much do we have ?
If its not about winning, then surely we dont need an entry fee to be that much, Its like 10$ DOLLARS for SF4 in EVO, why is it €15 EUROS for us? for ranking battles ?
Anyway while 15 is nothing, some people end up spending 50, by getting there, eating and going home and the entry fee is some what an off putter .

Pretty sure flights to Vegas from Ireland cost more than from somewhere in the US.

Orim

Placebo wrote: »

What is the inferno pricing structure?
and where does the extra money go and how much do we have ?
If its not about winning, then surely we dont need an entry fee to be that much, Its like 10$ DOLLARS for SF4 in EVO, why is it €15 EUROS for us? for ranking battles ?
Anyway while 15 is nothing, some people end up spending 50, by getting there, eating and going home and the entry fee is some what an off putter .

The Inferno pricing structure is €5 for console rental and €10 for the tournament.

Currently Dreddy is holding the extra money and we have €180. This will hopefully be going towards buying a hauppage or other improved recording equipment, although has been used previously for other things such as paying the little bit extra that was needed for the launch event.

I can see the entry fee being somewhat off putting, which is why I would like to run some cheaper tournaments.

Sabre0001

Placebo wrote: »

What is the inferno pricing structure?
and where does the extra money go and how much do we have ?
If its not about winning, then surely we dont need an entry fee to be that much, Its like 10$ DOLLARS for SF4 in EVO, why is it €15 EUROS for us? for ranking battles ?
Anyway while 15 is nothing, some people end up spending 50, by getting there, eating and going home and the entry fee is some what an off putter .

My response is still in the other thread...General entry to EVO (before tournaments) will set you back $50. Every tournament works differently and offers different things. The lads have kept costs down while still being able to offer a prize fund by essentially hijacking a games centre

Dreddybajs

The majority of the extra money is from casuals anyway, not leftover rental money from the last Inferno.

Sisko

Saturday is looking to be a pretty big and important tournament regardless of what it is. I say important cause it's looking like a lot of new people are coming to this.

Then we have the lads from the west coming to this and we could have a few fun team tourneys.

I'd love it if someone could be sent to evo alright. But I really want saturday to be a good event more then anything right now. And the evo/inferno thing is all quite messy.

It would seem like most of the top players who'll be there won't be able to go to evo regardless of winning a ticket. This is making things messy , really don't want Saturday to be messy at all. If we kept it inferno we'd avoid messyness alright.

As much as it pains me to say this , as we're running out of time and as someone who would like to see someone sent to evo but not at the cost of saturdays event:

Whats the worst case scenario of us forgetting the Evo thing at this stage , and picking it up again next year?

And then whats the most realistic fall out from doing this?

bush

I agree. Its really messy, whats the point of doing a tournament where half the people dont want to go to evo? I think it should be a seperate tournament or nothing at all.

Ramza

The worst case scenario of not doing the Evo thing this year is that we just end up not having someone going from our community etc to rep

On the other hand with all the mess up and stuff surrounding it, at this stage to call it off and schedule it for next year would save time and money

Also, I suggested in another thread we should do a SVB qual or something. I was talking to people today about it and they agree it seems more practical and easier as of now, but still, just an idea

Lots of guys from the community are going to SVB anyway, it's closer/easier in general too. Just seems better IMO at this stage, although either way it's w/e. Regardless of whether SVB give us sponsorship/a place or whatever, we can still do out own unofficial qual as nothing else changes

Owwmykneecap

we dont need an svb qual. you can fly to england for less than my bus to dublin.


Im still considering going (to evo) myself anyway, anyone else?

Sisko

I wouldn't have the money.


And regarding SVB sure there'll more than likely be a bunch of us going over yeah, but whats the harm in a tourney of which the winner has his ticket and maybe accommodation paid for plus possibly a seeding spot, be good craic I'd say.

Something to look into but no point talking about SVB right now , its Saturday we need to worry about.

blag

For this weekends Inferno I'd rather it be the normal prize structure but I'm not gonna complain if someone ends up winning and decides they want to go to Evo.

I don't think passing the prize down until someone who placed wants it is a good idea as if someone is to represent us at Evo it should be our best player.

Sisko

Yeah and it'd be pretty messy as I was saying. It's looking like it'd be passed down pretty low down the ranks at this stage.

bush

Maybe everyone should state on the sign up sheet if they can go to evo or not and decide then if its worth going ahead with?

Kirby

Thats a good idea. It would give an idea of the numbers who can go and those who can't.

Sisko

I dunno I think deciding before the day is better (imo) as I'm just worried about stuff getting messy on the day. That's where I'm coming from anyway.

I thinking at this stage if we can sacrifice the evo thing as ****ty as that is, without much fallout then screw it, lets just run an inferno and run the flying fuck out of it.

This coming from someone who was on the side of really wanting to send someone to evo. As a player who was never gonna win the thing it was pretty easy for me to say this but looking at all the top guys not really being able to go , I dunno.

Anyway discuss away people. But imo we should decide by tomorrow night.


**edit**

ah wb kirby!

Dreddybajs

Yeah deciding beforehand is far better in my opinion. It's funny though, afaik almost every player I rate in this community won't be able to go to Evo, so even if we do end up sending a player I wonder how well they'll be able to rep Ireland.

For the players who aren't gonna go and have a shot at winning, 100 euro/50 euro/33 euro isn't exactly a great return on 15 euro entry.

UberPrinny_Baal

This whole thing seems to boil down pretty simply.

Sending someone to Evo is better for the community.

A big cash prize for Inferno is better for the individual.

Most Individuals want a big cash prize so they can (potentially) benefit themselves by getting more money.

If the committee thing was decided, the obvious choice of action for the committee would be to send someone to Evo for better or worse. Not being able to get our act together enough to even DECIDE if we want to send someone looks far worse than sending someone crap who can't win (all but one person doesn't win, it's not a big deal).

You guys can say you'll "Just do this next year", but there's a lot of reasons why this probably won't happen, not the least of which is that SSFIV will be out over a year at that point, and casual gamer/corporate sponsor interest gets lower drastically quicker as time goes by. Not for super hardcore communities like NorCal or whatever, but we aren't them.

Judging from peoples impressions in other threads, tomorrow stands to see one of the biggest attendances you guys have seen at an Inferno. Don't just piss that away.

/rant

bush

Theres no point in sending someone just for the sake of it. You may aswell just raffle it off.

chunkis

Guys listen up,

Most of you don`t seem to get whats going on.

So let me make things clear.

This event is about building a relationship between us and evo, thats why i decided to run this event, having an irish player at evo doesn`t really do much for us in the long run, but having a relationship with evo does, and thats whats important.

What do you think is going to happen if we don`t send anybody to evo or cancel everything at this stage? Not only is it going to look bad on all of us, but it will effect our relationship with evo, and possibley end it. You are all talking about evo next year, well there wont be a next year, if we don`t make it this year.

Ive worked too hard to get this event for us and i am not about to just give up because its been a rough ride. Its heartbreaking to sit down and read what people are saying about whats been going on, when most of you don`t know the work that goes into something like this or what it actually means to the community here in ireland to have something like an evo qualifier.

There is no other european country doing what we are doing, we are lucky to be working with evo and have them suppport us. A lot of countries wanted to run evo qualifiers, but didn`t get them. We are the only country in europe to have this event going on, which is an achievement in itself and credit to our community, its made other communities around the world take notice of us and its put us on the map. Next year everybody in europe is going to want to run an evo qualifying event and its all because of us.

I would hate to see the rest of europe running evo qualifiers and ireland getting left out, because thats exactly whats going to happen.

Its really heartbreaking to have you guys sit down and not support this event. Kneecap is the only person who actually said you know what, **** the prize money, its not important, lets just run this event and send somebody to evo, because that is whats important.

This event is more important than any tournament we have done to date, its going to open doors for us and its going to be a step forward for our community, it builds up our portfolio for the future and it builds our relationship with evo, it will also be our gateway to working with a lot of the top esports events in europe and give us a chance at working with the japanese when it comes to sbo qualifiers, not to mention making life easier when it comes to securing sponsorship.

animaX

Sisko wrote: »

This is making things messy , really don't want Saturday to be messy at all. If we kept it inferno we'd avoid messyness alright.

What a messy paragraph :P

In response to chunkis' post above, i agree that it would be best for us to send someone. There are still some top players in Ireland who are willing to go and they should not be denied this chance of a lifetime because of the apathy of others. In fact there are players (who i won't name) who i'd be proud to have represent us at evo.

chunkis

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

This whole thing seems to boil down pretty simply.

Sending someone to Evo is better for the community.

A big cash prize for Inferno is better for the individual.

Most Individuals want a big cash prize so they can (potentially) benefit themselves by getting more money.

If the committee thing was decided, the obvious choice of action for the committee would be to send someone to Evo for better or worse. Not being able to get our act together enough to even DECIDE if we want to send someone looks far worse than sending someone crap who can't win (all but one person doesn't win, it's not a big deal).

You guys can say you'll "Just do this next year", but there's a lot of reasons why this probably won't happen, not the least of which is that SSFIV will be out over a year at that point, and casual gamer/corporate sponsor interest gets lower drastically quicker as time goes by. Not for super hardcore communities like NorCal or whatever, but we aren't them.

Judging from peoples impressions in other threads, tomorrow stands to see one of the biggest attendances you guys have seen at an Inferno. Don't just piss that away.

/rant

Thats exactly what people should be posting.

+ rep

Ken B

I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying here... An Irish representative at Evo would be brilliant, even if they didn't do amazingly well, they could still be an excellent ambassador for our community and have a great time. That said, I reckon there's at least 10-15 players who have the ability to do well(and very well, in a couple of cases). Even if a not so great player went over, I'd be willing to support them and their decision.

It would show real guts and moxy on that community member's part (however good/bad they do) and you gotta love that..

chunkis

Ken B wrote: »

I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying here... An Irish representative at Evo would be brilliant, even if they didn't do amazingly well, they could still be an excellent ambassador for our community and have a great time. That said, I reckon there's at least 10-15 players who have the ability to do well(and very well, in a couple of cases). Even if a not so great player went over, I'd be willing to support them and their decision.

It would show real guts and moxy on that community member's part (however good/bad they do) and you gotta love that..

Nice post ken

Placebo

why leave it to public vote, just agree on the committee and the committee decides.

Personally EVO > Cash prize,
its pretty obvious !! what Ken B said

chopperbyrne

So can you guys post that in the VOTES thread then. Although I won't count yours Farz as you said you won't be in attendance.

bush

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Although I won't count yours Farz as you said you won't be in attendance.

Aye. I vote for yes should mean you are going to the tournament and are willing to go to evo

Placebo

chopperbyrne wrote: »

So can you guys post that in the VOTES thread then. Although I won't count yours Farz as you said you won't be in attendance.

Why does that matter? because i'm not putting any money in so surely my vote doesn't count? Il be sure to drop €20 euro down if thats how things really are.