Rachel Corrie, Irish ship on Collision Course with Israeli Navy Near Gaza

positron

See the comments, Brian Cowen is now the 'leader who has balls to stand up to Israel'!

http://digg.com/world_news/Irish_ship_on_Collision_Course_with_Israeli_Navy_Near_Gaza

Fact is often stranger than fiction etc etc..! :rolleyes:

Rabies

"If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences," Prime Minister Brian Cowen

I'm sure the're terrified of us.

Nodin

Terrified. A delegation could arrive and drink the country dry within a day.

Hasmunch

You sunk my battleship!!

mike65

Not another one.

Banned Account

Plan (A) pepper them with potatoes - to distract them whilst Harney rises off the stern Godzilla style.

Plan (B) Appoint Ivor Callalley as the new Israeli minister of finance.

Well I presume we have Europe's backing so it should be grand.. Lisbon Treaty ftw.

Smcgie

In all honesty he can't get his fellow FF men to come clean about expenses, how on earth is he going to bring serious consciouses to Israel?

Political PR at its best - he really doesn't give a shyte

Paddy Samurai

positron wrote: »

Brian Cowen is now the 'leader who has balls to stand up to Israel'!

I would prefer if he had taken a stand for his own people and stood up to the Bankers/Construction industry.

Banned Account

THis will turn out to be a non-issue anyway. Rumour has it that the Israeli's are changing tack and intercepting this one with a bulldozer - that ship won't go within an asses roar of it.

FlutterinBantam

Let's hope the 'Rachael Corrie' doesn't come to any harm, but by the same token let's hope that these people with their Philipino crew don't bring more expense on the hard pressed Irish Taxpayer by their actions.

They have been clearly warned that they will not be allowed into Gaza.

What they do is their own decision, and Cowen should make that clear to them in my opinion.

These people are experienced activists and need to be made aware of the fact that they cannot expect the taxpayer to bail them out should anything untoward happen.

ScumLord

LETS GET IT ON!!!!

Smcgie wrote: »

In all honesty he can't get his fellow FF men to come clean about expenses, how on earth is he going to bring serious consciouses to Israel?

Political PR at its best - he really doesn't give a shyte

Maybe their going to use some American style politics and distract us with a war.

Sanjuro

Rabies wrote: »

"If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences," Prime Minister Brian Cowen

The kind of quote you'd expect from a person who hasn't the faintest clue what he's doing.

El Guapo!

I have to say, as much as I hate this government and Brian Cowen included, at least he IS standing up to them. Granted they'd slaughter us in a war and they're prob not worried in the slightest but I have to say at least he did have the balls to stand up and say something.

seamus

Interesting to see how it pans out. The Israelis care not for what people think of them, but I don't think even they want a repeat of the disastrous PR from the previous incident.

Given that this is an Irish ship, they have no basis for thinking that it's full of Islamic militants or otherwise backed by anti-Israeli parties. Any lethal force would effectively be seen as murder of innocent Irish citizens. At the very least it would result in the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador and possibly refusal of visas for all Israeli citizens. The EU would be dragged in if we declared that we were in conflict with Israel, so that would be a much bigger decision to make.

Vegeta

Dean09 wrote: »

I have to say, as much as I hate this government and Brian Cowen included, at least he IS standing up to them. Granted they'd slaughter us in a war and they're prob not worried in the slightest but I have to say at least he did have the balls to stand up and say something.

Talk is cheap

enda1

Vegeta wrote: »

Talk is cheap

In international "diplomacy", no it is not.

The clear statement should guarantee at least the survival of the Irish activists, whether or not they act a bit aggressive. I'd say Israel will do everything in their power not to kill anyone.

Fuhrer

Rabies wrote: »

"If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences," Prime Minister Brian Cowen

I'm sure the're terrified of us.

Maybe he means to the citizens that are harmed.


Like, if you are shot, you'll probably have a gunshot wound. That ****s pretty serious.

Lemsiper

Vegeta wrote: »

Talk is cheap

Can you provide a link to back up this statement?

Pauleta

Before Israel torpedo the ship and everybody starts crying. I just want to state that these people have been warned to turn around. If they enter Israeli waters and refuse to turn around then Israel are fully in their rights to shoot them down.

Fuhrer

Pauleta wrote: »

Before Israel torpedo the ship and everybody starts crying. I just want to state that these people have been warned to turn around. If they enter Israeli waters and refuse to turn around then Israel are fully in their rights to shoot them down.

You think warning someone gives you carte blanche?


Ok, if you take another breath of oxygen I am fully with in my rights to sieze all your property.

Banned Account

Lemsiper wrote: »

Can you provide a link to back up this statement?

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3353161/With-Viper-Talk-is-Cheap.htm

karma_

Can't believe the criminal behaviour of the Irish people on that ship, the cheek of them, trying to deliver aid to the residents of the ghetto.

o1s1n

Pauleta wrote: »

If they enter Israeli waters and refuse to turn around then Israel are fully in their rights to shoot them down.

That'll teach em for trying to deliver aid. Feckin' terrorists.

ScumLord

seamus wrote: »

Given that this is an Irish ship, they have no basis for thinking that it's full of Islamic militants or otherwise backed by anti-Israeli parties. Any lethal force would effectively be seen as murder of innocent Irish citizens. At the very least it would result in the expulsion of the Israeli ambassador and possibly refusal of visas for all Israeli citizens. The EU would be dragged in if we declared that we were in conflict with Israel, so that would be a much bigger decision to make.

Yeah they best step off or we'll set Germany on them. In yo face Israel. EU for life yo.

seamus

Pauleta wrote: »

Before Israel torpedo the ship and everybody starts crying. I just want to state that these people have been warned to turn around. If they enter Israeli waters and refuse to turn around then Israel are fully in their rights to shoot them down.

I don't think anyone doubts that at all, especially those on board, but even if they're in Israeli waters, few countries look favourably on gunning down unarmed people on humanitarian missions.

You can say that they were warned, but warning someone that you're going to do something, doesn't justify it in the end. I could warn someone that I'm going to run them down with my car if they don't get out of my way - that doesn't make it OK when I do run them down.

This is especially so when there are ample other ways to stop/seize a ship without injuring anyone.

gurramok

Since when did Gazan waters become Israeli waters?

El Guapo!

At least if we went to war we'd have the Palistinians on our side!

axer

I'm pretty sure the boats that were already stopped were in International waters at the time.

Banned Account

gurramok wrote: »

Since when did Gazan waters become Israeli waters?

Since those peski Israeli fish began building reefs there.

prinz

gurramok wrote: »

Since when did Gazan waters become Israeli waters?

Since the Gazans agreed to let Israel control them.

Lemsiper

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/3353161/With-Viper-Talk-is-Cheap.htm

Well seeing as I didn't ask you there was need to post that out of date shíte.

Here's something more recent http://www.adn.com/2010/05/04/1263753/our-view-this-talk-isnt-cheap.html

axer

Dean09 wrote: »

At least if we went to war we'd have the Palistinians on our side!

We could also disable their airfleet by sending a few knackers in first to offer them a good price on re-tarring their runways. Lets see them take off on gravel and pot holes after 3 days.

Gerry Asstrix

Keep signing the petition, spread the word
http://www.petitiononline.com/Israelno/petition.html

Mr Benevolent

We're going to have to boycott Intel now.

Wait...

who the fug

Where is the vessel and why is her AIS turned off

thebigbiffo

if they enter the blockade, they deserve whats comin to them. that's the isrealis for ya...probably has something to do with the military mindset cause of all those pesky threats of extermination down through the decades

it's a pretty f'cukin messy senario out there, and one aid ship's not gonna make a blind bit of difference

ScumLord

Confab wrote: »

We're going to have to boycott Intel now.

Wait...

Or you could run processor intensive applications on the Sabbath.

joolsveer

Gerry Asstrix wrote: »

Keep signing the petition, spread the word
http://www.petitiononline.com/Israelno/petition.html

I create this petition in light of the Israeli rogue state

Is Israel a rogue state? Are there any others?

Wolfe Tone

Fair play to Biffo. Fair play.

derfderf

The captain of the ship was offered the chance to dock in ashdod and they could take the aid to gaza by land. He said it's not just about the aid, it's about challenging Israels blockade.
One woman on the turkish ship said to the press before they left that they'd get to gaza or martyrdom.
Everyone's opinion on this is their own but saying the convoy was only about getting aid to gaza is wrong.

thebigbiffo

derfderf wrote: »

The captain of the ship was offered the chance to dock in ashdod and they could take the aid to gaza by land. He said it's not just about the aid, it's about challenging Israels blockade.
One woman on the turkish ship said to the press before they left that they'd get to gaza or martyrdom.
Everyone's opinion on this is their own but saying the convoy was only about getting aid to gaza is wrong.

hear hear.

it's a 'military blockade'....when the military shoot yer ass for breaking it, dont come running to me*

*however...they did attack in international waters and that seriously pissed me off. so it aint cut and dry

philologos

Pauleta wrote: »

Before Israel torpedo the ship and everybody starts crying. I just want to state that these people have been warned to turn around. If they enter Israeli waters and refuse to turn around then Israel are fully in their rights to shoot them down.

Does Israel really want to make another PR blunder after this?

It wouldn't be the first diplomatic incident that Ireland and Israel would have had (During the 1982 Lebanon War when Irish servicemen lost their lives to armed Lebanese Phalangists supported by Israel was another).

The IDF never went in with the aim to kill on the Mavi Marmara, and if the activists remain peaceful instead of coming out with iron bars and starting a confrontation, then the IDF won't need to use fire.

My prediction is that if those on board do not obey IDF orders (which they might do this time) the boat will be intercepted, but there won't be any resistance to it on the part of those on-board. Their boat will be probably docked in Ashdod.

If the IDF have learned anything after this time, they will wait until they have entered the Sea of Gaza before doing anything.

gbee

Sanjuro wrote: »

The kind of quote you'd expect from a person who hasn't the faintest clue what he's doing.

As if he has not already proven this, like a billion times ... along comes "serious consequences" ~ he and his boss should be indited for treason.

He has now effectively declared war on Israel. The fu**in eejett.

karma_

gbee wrote: »

As if he has not already proven this, like a billion times ... along comes "serious consequences" ~ he and his boss should be indited for treason.

He has now effectively declared war on Israel. The fu**in eejett.

Neutral states don't declare war.

My name is URL

Does anyone know the current position of the ship? It hasn't broadcast its coordinates since Monday and is nowhere to be seen on http://marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx

Gone Drinking

They won't know what hit them, when we attack with the likes of this and these

Seriously though, they don't have a hope of getting the aid in, so why are they putting themselves at risk? I seriously think the only hope for aid and the likes, is for talks and negoiation, not just sailing there to annoy them.

gbee

karma_ wrote: »

Neutral states don't declare war.

Ah now! There's another rabbit. We are and never were neutral ~ Hitler bombed Dublin because we were 'more neutral' to the British with Bantry bay full of warships and supply convoys and Ford's in Cork making armoured cars ...

Our armed forces are NATO combat ready, Shannon is a defacto USA strategic base.

Two myths in Ireland, we are neutral and we live in a democracy. Oh and can I throw in a third "a low Tax economy!"

Fuhrer

Gone Drinking wrote: »

They won't know what hit them, when we attack with the likes of this and these

Seriously though, they don't have a hope of getting the aid in, so why are they putting themselves at risk? I seriously think the only hope for aid and the likes, is for talks and negoiation, not just sailing there to annoy them.

Thankfully unlike you, the civilised world considers that Serious Consequences can involve something other than military action.

Morlar

Does anyone else think it is odd that immediately after he says

'there will be serious consequences if any Irish citizens are harmed'

that several are beaten up/ involved in a scuffle with israeli security forces at the airport ?

gbee

My name is URL wrote: »

Does anyone know the current position of the ship? It hasn't broadcast its coordinates since Monday and is nowhere to be seen on http://marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx

No it is not. Israel does not allow monitoring of vessels or aircraft and just owning a scanner is considered illegal and subject to arrest and detention without trial.

Has the ship been see at all as the "Rachel Corrie" as she had not shown up for my searches .. is it still registered under it's old name 'Carsten'?