M50 centre lane, again

Bumpstop

I think I give up.
I will be assimilated.
I have tried to use the lanes on the M50 properly only to get hemmed in by middle lane hoggers.
Maybe they are right, unlike England our exits/ on ramps are very close together perhaps it is too much bother to change lanes to get the best from the three lanes.
I am losing the will, I think I will just become a middle lane dweller, fearfull of change darting from ramp to ramp as I graze in the blinkered vision of the middle lane and screw everyone else.
Ah yes peace at last.
I will be assimilated.

GTE

Ive recently been assimilated by the people who use roundabouts like asses.

If anyone knows the Kilcock interchange on the M/N4 you will know that the Enfield and Kilcock exits are 3rd and 4th exits. The vast majority for any exit after the 2nd takes the left hand lane instead of the right. I used to always go on the right and then move into the left lane before my exit before I ended up being beeped and pushed out to the 4th exit because apparently I was doing something wrong

R.O.R

Bumpstop wrote: »

I think I give up.
I will be assimilated.
I have tried to use the lanes on the M50 properly only to get hemmed in by middle lane hoggers.
Maybe they are right, unlike England our exits/ on ramps are very close together perhaps it is too much bother to change lanes to get the best from the three lanes.
I am losing the will, I think I will just become a middle lane dweller, fearfull of change darting from ramp to ramp as I graze in the blinkered vision of the middle lane and screw everyone else.
Ah yes peace at last.
I will be assimilated.

Fight it, please God, Fight it.

Good will triumph over evil in the end, you just have to believe my son.

pigman2000

it's systemic - and not the middle-lane(earth) lads' fault.

as you said the stops are too close together, people don't know how to merge coming off the on ramp - so... we stay in the middle lane.

I've been long assimilated and loving it. the leftmost lane is also a bastian of 60km-80km drivers too for some 'raisin' so again - boom - middlle lane.

it's not our fault the M50 is a ring road not a motor way, motor ways as you said are the long UK style ones, M50 is just an abstraction of a curse of a ring road...

lau1247

Correct me if I'm wrong.. which I might be..

What is so wrong with driving in the middle lane if there are three lanes?

right most is for the people who drive very fast (Well faster than middle lane) and want to over take.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

middle is for people who drive at speed limit or for people not overtaking (faster than speed limit but with sufficient clearance ahead). The other reason to drive in middle lane (When driving per middle lane criteria I mentioned above) instead of left lane is that more often than not there are cars joining from the left side which tends to be slower. There are just a lot of unnecessary lane switching to middle and back to left once clear of them.


That to me seem like the right way to do it, is that just me who think that?

R.O.R

lau1247 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong.. which I might be..

What is so wrong with driving in the middle lane if there are three lanes?

right most is for the people who drive very fast (Well faster than middle lane) and want to over take.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

middle is for people who drive at speed limit or for people not overtaking (faster than speed limit but with sufficient clearance ahead). The other reason to drive in middle lane (When driving per middle lane criteria I mentioned above) instead of left lane is that more often than not there are cars joining from the left side which tends to be slower. There are just a lot of unnecessary lane switching to middle and back to left once clear of them.


That to me seem like the right way to do it, is that just me who think that?

Unfortunately, it's not just you who is incorrect in your thinking.

May I suggest a nifty little publication named the Rules of the Road for your enjoyment? It will hopefully explain to you why the above is incorrect thinking.

It should be available at all good bookshops (and some rubbish ones), or a free copy was delivered to all households a few years ago.

danmanw8

lau1247 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong.. which I might be..

What is so wrong with driving in the middle lane if there are three lanes?

right most is for the people who drive very fast (Well faster than middle lane) and want to over take.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

middle is for people who drive at speed limit or for people not overtaking (faster than speed limit but with sufficient clearance ahead). The other reason to drive in middle lane (When driving per middle lane criteria I mentioned above) instead of left lane is that more often than not there are cars joining from the left side which tends to be slower. There are just a lot of unnecessary lane switching to middle and back to left once clear of them.


That to me seem like the right way to do it, is that just me who think that?

Right Lane is not for people `who drive very fast`. It is for people who drive at the speed limit. If it were for people going over the speed limit then it would be an illegal lane and would have to be closed

celticbest

Rules of the road for Motorway Usage,

BlackWizard

I'd love to buy some sort of sticker for the back of my car which educates people on proper lane usage.

stevenmu

Bumpstop wrote: »

perhaps it is too much bother to change lanes

If you're driving correctly the car actually does all of the work, all you have to do is look, indicate and steer

testicle

pigman2000 wrote: »

it's systemic - and not the middle-lane(earth) lads' fault.

as you said the stops are too close together, people don't know how to merge coming off the on ramp - so... we stay in the middle lane.

I've been long assimilated and loving it. the leftmost lane is also a bastian of 60km-80km drivers too for some 'raisin' so again - boom - middlle lane.

it's not our fault the M50 is a ring road not a motor way, motor ways as you said are the long UK style ones, M50 is just an abstraction of a curse of a ring road...

Thank you for honouring us with your 6th post in 10 years of membership. Have you ever heard of the M25?

Atomic Pineapple

I dont get why people are saying that lane changing is too much bother or that traffic coming onto the motorway is too much of a disruption to drive in the left lane?

In my opinion that just highlights an inability to drive on a motorway, if you know what your doing changing lanes can be done safely, easily and not slow you down in anyway.

cjt156

BlackWizard wrote: »

I'd love to buy some sort of sticker for the back of my car which educates people on proper lane usage.

Or maybe someone could devise a method to test if people can actually drive their cars in these situations. A driving test as it were.

bigbadbear

lau1247 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong.. which I might be..

What is so wrong with driving in the middle lane if there are three lanes?

right most is for the people who drive very fast (Well faster than middle lane) and want to over take.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

middle is for people who drive at speed limit or for people not overtaking (faster than speed limit but with sufficient clearance ahead). The other reason to drive in middle lane (When driving per middle lane criteria I mentioned above) instead of left lane is that more often than not there are cars joining from the left side which tends to be slower. There are just a lot of unnecessary lane switching to middle and back to left once clear of them.


That to me seem like the right way to do it, is that just me who think that?

If you drive in lane 2 the next guy has to pass you on the right then the guy who is going faster than him has to brake as there is no more space. Effectively it is a 2 lane motorway again.

People should move into lane 1 if there is enough space for you to let any faster moving vehicles pass and get back into lane 2 to overtake the next car. If not then stay where you are as you will have to brake if you go into lane 1. It's not a simple matter of driving in lane 1 or 2. you need to think. The faster you are going the less likely you will have a suitable space. You should still use it where possible though.

jimmysull

draffodx wrote: »

I dont get why people are saying that lane changing is too much bother or that traffic coming onto the motorway is too much of a disruption to drive in the left lane?

In my opinion that just highlights an inability to drive on a motorway, if you know what your doing changing lanes can be done safely, easily and not slow you down in anyway.

x2

bigbadbear

testicle wrote: »

Thank you for honouring us with your 6th post in 10 years of membership. Have you ever heard of the M25?

I don't like what you did here and believe comments like this drive away infrequent boards users.

Danbo!

lau1247 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong.. which I might be..

What is so wrong with driving in the middle lane if there are three lanes?

right most is for the people who drive very fast (Well faster than middle lane) and want to over take.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

middle is for people who drive at speed limit or for people not overtaking (faster than speed limit but with sufficient clearance ahead). The other reason to drive in middle lane (When driving per middle lane criteria I mentioned above) instead of left lane is that more often than not there are cars joining from the left side which tends to be slower. There are just a lot of unnecessary lane switching to middle and back to left once clear of them.


That to me seem like the right way to do it, is that just me who think that?

paddyland

There is one farcical element to the law banning goods vehicles and buses from the median lane. Buses are restricted to 100kph on the motorway. Lorries are restricted to 80kph. Which makes a nonsense of the 100kph limit for buses. When a bus meets a lorry on a two lane motorway, as he will within a mile or two, he must slow down to 80kph, as he is not allowed to overtake. Over a long journey, this can have a bearing on his driving over his legal driving hours, as his journey will take longer. Buses have been overtaking lorries for years, in their hundreds of thousands. It's a risk, like everything, but putting fifty people together in a bus is a risk before the bus ever starts moving. As long as the bus pulls out, overtakes smoothly and safely, and pulls back in, there is no danger or delay to anyone. It happens routinely every minute of the day on the motorway network.

Take it a step further. On the new Enfield to Kinnegad motorway one night, in heavy traffic, I came very suddenly upon a car driven by an old lady at just 40 or 50kph. She was evidently lost, and caused an enormous hazard, as two lanes of nose to tail traffic at 100kph had suddenly to brake hard and swerve and merge, to avoid her. Now legally, I was not allowed overtake her, and so we would have had a convoy of lorries and buses, all driving along the motorway at 50kph. Nonsense. Every bus on the motorway overtakes lorries. It happens routinely and safely, and as long as a bus driver doesn't cut anyone up, and gets back into lane smartly, it causes no problems whatsoever.

paddyland

Read the rules again. Coaches can do 100kph on the motorway. Get your facts straight.

Zascar

Incorrect lane usage in my opinion is the single biggest thing wrong with Irish driving. It's even more annoying on 2 lane roads. I really wish the RSA etc would dos something about it. Since most people do not seem to know how to use it, people like the OP and me also tend to drive differently because its almost impossible to drive normally with so many people doing the wrong thing. Even though it's illegal I undertake all the time as its easier to just pass the person on the inside and get past them, than to sit behind them in the overtaking lane at 80kph and hope they get out of the way.

Why can't someone do something about this: more television campaigns, police actually policing bad driving, or signs on overpasses saying "Use left lane at all times unless overtaking" etc

Why?

Atomic Pineapple

paddyland wrote: »

Read the rules again. Coaches can do 100kph on the motorway. Get your facts straight.

Nothing to do with this thread though, this is about people hogging the middle lane.

paddyland

betafrog wrote: »

A. A coach is not a bus, if you're gonna make an argument then use the right terminology

The argument of the bruised ego. Law applies to buses or coaches. The only stipulation is no standing passengers.

betafrog wrote: »

I can find nowhere that says a coach has a speed limit of 100KM/h and not 80, but if it does, then the ROTR say it can use the median lane, meaning your argument is bull**** either way.

I can find it nowhere, therefore it doesn't exist. ROFL

Why are you so wound up? You really need to chill out a bit, methinks.

draffodx wrote: »

Nothing to do with this thread though, this is about people hogging the middle lane.

Not directly, but related. People hogging the middle lane has a bearing on larger vehicles having to take the third lane to overtake. It's cumulative, when one breaks the law, it encourages everyone else to as well. Everyone is guilty. It all comes down to education and enforcement. There is none of either.

Danbo!

I've given up. I undertake. Yes, it's wrong, but im sick of middle lane drivers beeping and flashing me for changing from lane 1 to 3 and then 3 to 1. Idiots.

bazzachazza

Quickly bringing this thread back on topic.

Middle laners should be shot for wasting huge amounts of tax payers money by reducing the capacity of the M50 back down to TWO lanes.

leftmost to is for people who drive below the speed limit imposed for that stretch of road and for people who want to exit the motorway.

Whats the "auxiliary lane" or lane 4 for then ?????? Its for people to exit and enter the motorway. The vast MAJORITY of the M50 from Tallaght to the M1 has this lane. You dont need to join the mainline lanes immediately if you cant due traffic. It still annoys the tits off me to see people force themselves into the mainline lanes within 100-200m of the onramp and to see the same at the off ramp. The bloody auxiliary lane has been there for kilometres. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

paddyland

http://theorytest.ie/english/CPC-speed-limit-changes-Feb09.pdf

There's your 'substantiated' link. Please don't accuse posters of bull**** without checking your facts. You seem to be deliberately trying to be offensive for no reason I can see whatsoever. I merely made an observation on the law, and you see fit to try to undermine me for no reason I understand.

Post reported.

GreeBo

draffodx wrote: »

I dont get why people are saying that lane changing is too much bother or that traffic coming onto the motorway is too much of a disruption to drive in the left lane?

In my opinion that just highlights an inability to drive on a motorway, if you know what your doing changing lanes can be done safely, easily and not slow you down in anyway.

The fact that most people dont leave enough room between cars does make it harder than it should be to drive in the correct lane. Not impossible, just harder than it should be.

Atomic Pineapple

GreeBo wrote: »

The fact that most people dont leave enough room between cars does make it harder than it should be to drive in the correct lane. Not impossible, just harder than it should be.

Anticapation and awareness should make that problem irrelevant.

-Chris-

betafrog wrote: »

meaning your argument is bull**** either way.

betafrog wrote: »

Nope of someone that's fed up of seeing bull**** spread on boards.

Again, fed up of hearing ****e comments on this forum that people are unwilling or unable to substantiate

Betafrog, tone it down a couple of notches please.

paddyland wrote: »

The argument of the bruised ego.


Why are you so wound up? You really need to chill out a bit, methinks.

Paddyland, please don't personalise it, attack the post not the poster.



and on a personal note...

I can't believe we're doing this again - a middle lane hoggers rant? It's the new foglights thread!

Deja Vu all over again.

paddyland

betafrog wrote: »

-Chris- has already asked to tone it down so I will, and this is my last post on the point, I offered links in everyone of my arguments pointing you to "substantiated" links, I doubt the Rules of the Road and Citizens Information would carry incorrect or out of date info. I would hope at least some could understand my frustration when it took 3 replies (some containing personal attacks) before you bother verifying your argument with some (although I don't particularly consider it to be) proof.

First of all, the law is the law, I don't see why I need to 'prove' it is the law. Secondly, I gave you a link to the law from the RSA website, and now you tell me you 'don't particularly consider it to be' proof. What the bloody hell do you want from me? Why are you behaving like this?

Post reported again.

Anan1

betafrog wrote: »

On another note, I don't believe trucks, buses or coaches should be allowed in either of the overtaking lanes. When driving in the UK I'm amazed how diligently truck and bus drivers stick to the left most lane. And then you come back to Ireland to find artiuclated lorries and coaches in the median lane overtaking cars doing a 100km/h in the middle lane. All the while the leftmost lane is empty. The mind boggles.

Surely the car is also at fault here?

betafrog wrote: »

It's my opinion that neither buses or trucks have the accelerating ability to perform any kind of overtaking maneuver safely and would gladly see them stopped from doing so.

I agree about trucks, but if a coach is allowed to do 100km/h then it seems senseless not to allow it to overtake trucks which are limited to 80km/h. Especially given that coaches seem to be vastly outnumbered by trucks.

paddyland

Anan1 wrote: »

I agree about trucks, but if a coach is allowed to do 100km/h then it seems senseless not to allow it to overtake trucks which are limited to 80km/h. Especially given that coaches seem to be vastly outnumbered by trucks.

My point entirely. Why have two seperate speed limits, if one cannot overtake the other? It negates the point of the increased limits. It's a small point of law, which probably needs to be clarified.

Unfortunately, I seem to be under attack from another here for merely raising the topic.

Anan1

paddyland wrote: »

Unfortunately, I seem to be under attack from another here for merely raising the topic.

That has already been dealt with, let's keep it to the issue at hand.

celticbest

paddyland wrote: »

There is one farcical element to the law banning goods vehicles and buses from the median lane. Buses are restricted to 100kph on the motorway. Lorries are restricted to 80kph. Which makes a nonsense of the 100kph limit for buses. When a bus meets a lorry on a two lane motorway, as he will within a mile or two, he must slow down to 80kph, as he is not allowed to overtake. Over a long journey, this can have a bearing on his driving over his legal driving hours, as his journey will take longer. Buses have been overtaking lorries for years, in their hundreds of thousands. It's a risk, like everything, but putting fifty people together in a bus is a risk before the bus ever starts moving. As long as the bus pulls out, overtakes smoothly and safely, and pulls back in, there is no danger or delay to anyone. It happens routinely every minute of the day on the motorway network.

Take it a step further. On the new Enfield to Kinnegad motorway one night, in heavy traffic, I came very suddenly upon a car driven by an old lady at just 40 or 50kph. She was evidently lost, and caused an enormous hazard, as two lanes of nose to tail traffic at 100kph had suddenly to brake hard and swerve and merge, to avoid her. Now legally, I was not allowed overtake her, and so we would have had a convoy of lorries and buses, all driving along the motorway at 50kph. Nonsense. Every bus on the motorway overtakes lorries. It happens routinely and safely, and as long as a bus driver doesn't cut anyone up, and gets back into lane smartly, it causes no problems whatsoever.

The speed limits for different vechicles is as follows :

Ordinary speed limits
Certain vehicles in Ireland (specifically vehicles that are intended or adapted for the carriage of people, vehicles greater than a certain weight and vehicles that are drawing trailers) are subject to different speed limits,

Double Deck Vehicles - 65 km/h
Buses and Coaches (with accommodation for more than 8 passengers 80 km/h
Towing Vehicles - 80 km/h
Trucks (with a design gross weight of more than 3,500kg) - 80 km/h

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/travel-and-recreation/roads-and-safety/road_traffic_speed_limits_in_ireland

Please also see excert from the (Irish) rules of the road book page 122, this states any passenger vehicle which carries more then 8 passengers ( I presume this includes coaches) cannot use lane 2 on a 2 lane Motorway or lane 3 on a 3 lane motorway,



I'm sure the Guards would use common sense in certain circumstances were a HGV or Coach can be allowed to use lane 2 of a 2 lane motorway for overtaking purposes if lane 1 is moving at a very low speed but I can see no reason for them to ever use lane 3 on a 3 lane motorway were the speed limit is above 80 km/h.

Anan1

Let's all READ the thread before contributing.

celticbest

betafrog wrote: »

Mate, don't bother, see earlier posts.

I know betafrog, but it says a lot if the person driving a vehicle does not know the legal speed limit of said vehicle. The Rules of the Road are.......the rules of the road.

A coach is not allowed to go 100 km/h under any circumstances.

A quick side question. Are vehicles this size not supposed to be fitted with a limiter ?

celticbest

Anan1 wrote: »

Let's all READ the thread before contributing.

I was just expanding on a previous quote with a more detailed example of Motorway lane discipline. I could probably have left the first half of my post out but I thought it was relevant.:(

Anan1

celticbest wrote: »

I know betafrog, but it says a lot if the person driving a vehicle does not know the legal speed limit of said vehicle. The Rules of the Road are.......the rules of the road.

A coach is not allowed to go 100 km/h under any circumstances.

http://theorytest.ie/english/CPC-speed-limit-changes-Feb09.pdf

So how do we reconcile these?

Ghost Train

Do trucks actually travel at 80kph, most of them seem to do 100kph

had two truck drive side by side on a 120kph two lane motorway yesterday, took about two minutes for the truck to complete the overtake by which time he had held up about 20 or 30 cars

can understand people over using the middle lane because most of the drivers in the left lane will be travelling well under the speed limit, can't understand people who drive well under speed limit hogging the middle lane, can't understand.people who undertake cars traveling at speed limit

celticbest

Anan1 wrote: »

http://theorytest.ie/english/CPC-speed-limit-changes-Feb09.pdf

So how do we reconcile these?

I'm going to email the Department of Transport & the RSA to find out the actual speed limit, once I get a reply if ever I will resond.

vincenzolorenzo

R.O.R wrote: »

Unfortunately, it's not just you who is incorrect in your thinking.

May I suggest a nifty little publication named the Rules of the Road for your enjoyment? It will hopefully explain to you why the above is incorrect thinking.

It should be available at all good bookshops (and some rubbish ones), or a free copy was delivered to all households a few years ago.

Oh God. Here we go again. :mad:

This topic has been done to DEATH at: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055909855

paddyland

Can we stop here a moment please?

The speed limit for buses and coaches (excluding those with provision for standing passengers) was 80kph before Feb 2009.

In Feb 2009, the law was amended, allowing buses and coaches (excluding those with provision for standing passengers) to drive at 100kph on motorways and dual carriageways, subject to the local limit, of course.

That is the law, plain and simple.

There are posters coming on here and claiming that this is not the law. I do not wish to become involved in petty, personalised arguments with other posters here, because it does not make for an interesting thread. But I will not sit back and be undermined by posters who do not know the law, and dispute those who do.

This argument goes nowhere until there is a general acceptance of what is and what isn't the law. Here is the statutory law, from the government website:

http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/esi/2008/B26604.pdf

Here is the fixed penalty for driving a bus on the outside lane of a motorway:

Driving a HGV, Bus or towing a trailer on the outside lane on a motorway except at any location where a speed limit of 80km/h or less applies on the motorway €80 1 penalty point.

I simply put the point that there is no point amending the law to a 100kph limit, when there are no circumstances where a bus can maintain that legal limit without constantly overtaking lorries limited to 80kph. It is a point of law that needs clarification. The point of the law is up for debate. The letter of the existing law is not up for debate.

Atomic Pineapple

Ghost Train wrote: »

can understand people over using the middle lane because most of the drivers in the left lane will be travelling well under the speed limit

This doesn't matter, you drive in the driving lane until you come across a car going slower and then overtake them, then when finished overtaking pull back into the driving lane.

Ghost Train wrote: »

can't understand people who drive well under speed limit hogging the middle lane, can't understand.people who undertake cars traveling at speed limit

They shouldn't have the opportunity to undertake them in the first place.

As for this couch/buses/trucks thing I dont see its relevance to this thread?

Anan1

celticbest wrote: »

I'm going to email the Department of Transport & the RSA to find out the actual speed limit, once I get a reply if ever I will resond.

Given that paddyland has already posted a link referring to the upwardly revised limits, you might consider withdrawing this:

celticbest wrote: »

I know betafrog, but it says a lot if the person driving a vehicle does not know the legal speed limit of said vehicle. The Rules of the Road are.......the rules of the road.

pending a response from the RSA.

celticbest

Mail forwarded to RSA for clarification of there own statements,



The two statements above are contained in earlier posts....


P.S. Thought it only relevant to send this mail to the RSA in the end as both statements came from them.

Guy:Incognito

betafrog wrote: »

On another note, I don't believe trucks, buses or coaches should be allowed in either of the overtaking lanes. When driving in the UK I'm amazed how diligently truck and bus drivers stick to the left most lane. And then you come back to Ireland to find artiuclated lorries and coaches in the median lane overtaking cars doing a 100km/h in the middle lane. All the while the leftmost lane is empty. The mind boggles.

They must lose the run of themselves when they come over here. I see yellow reg artics in the middle lane of the M50 frequently .


I also see a huge amount of midle lane dawdlers in England anytime I drive there. Sure Clarkson often gives out about them when any motorway subjects are beign discussed.

Despite what people think, every country has quite a high percentage of idiot, selfish and/or ignorant drivers. I've encountered plenty when I drive in Germany too.

lau1247

R.O.R wrote: »

Unfortunately, it's not just you who is incorrect in your thinking.

May I suggest a nifty little publication named the Rules of the Road for your enjoyment? It will hopefully explain to you why the above is incorrect thinking.

It should be available at all good bookshops (and some rubbish ones), or a free copy was delivered to all households a few years ago.

Hey I did say that I'm open to correction?

danmanw8 wrote: »

Right Lane is not for people `who drive very fast`. It is for people who drive at the speed limit. If it were for people going over the speed limit then it would be an illegal lane and would have to be closed

Right lane for people who drive at "speed limit"?? Come on who are we kidding, reality is this rarely happen.. it would be illegal but it doens't stop people from doing it.

celticbest wrote: »

Rules of the road for Motorway Usage,

Open to interpretation on 3 lane road which is what we are talking about here. 'Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by'. Move left did not indicate how far left. Middle lane is left of lane 3 after all. Middle lane is still allowing people to overtake in lane 3.

bigbadbear wrote: »

If you drive in lane 2 the next guy has to pass you on the right then the guy who is going faster than him has to brake as there is no more space. Effectively it is a 2 lane motorway again.

While rules are rules and I respect that.. you should never pull out unless clear.. that's what mirror are for.. and to me that would be the fault of the guy pulling out.



Again I'm going to expect a lot of people bombarding me with 'oh you're wrong etc', as I said before, correct me if I'm wrong.. at least if I'm wrong, I'll know it from here on.

Guy:Incognito

lau1247 wrote: »

Hey I did say that I'm open to correction?




Right lane for people who drive at "speed limit"?? Come on who are we kidding, reality is this rarely happen.. it would be illegal but it doens't stop people from doing it.




Open to interpretation on 3 lane road which is what we are talking about here. 'Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by'. Move left did not indicate how far left. Middle lane is left of lane 3 after all. Middle lane is still allowing people to overtake in lane 3.



While rules are rules and I respect that.. you should never pull out unless clear.. that's what mirror are for.. and to me that would be the fault of the guy pulling out.



Again I'm going to expect a lot of people bombarding me with 'oh you're wrong etc', as I said before, correct me if I'm wrong.. at least if I'm wrong, I'll know it from here on.

Heres a simple rule for you and all you need to know "Keep left unless overtaking".

"keep left is all the way left , not just "keep to the left side of any particular lane you choose". Why would you want to drive in the middle anyway if theres a perfectly useable lane to your left?


Out of curiosity , what lane would you position yourslef in on a 4 or 5 lane motorway? 2nd from the right?

Atomic Pineapple

lau1247 wrote: »

Right lane for people who drive at "speed limit"?? Come on who are we kidding, reality is this rarely happen.. it would be illegal but it doens't stop people from doing it.

What speed people do has no bearing on the conversation in this thread, policing speed is the Garda's job and has nothing to do with correct lane discipline.

lau1247 wrote: »

Open to interpretation on 3 lane road which is what we are talking about here. 'Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by'. Move left did not indicate how far left. Middle lane is left of lane 3 after all. Middle lane is still allowing people to overtake in lane 3.

Do you really need everything to be spelt out? A bit of common sense and self education would tell you to move into the driving lane and leave all overtaking lanes free.

corktina

Stekelly wrote: »

They must lose the run of themselves when they come over here. I see yellow reg artics in the middle lane of the M50 frequently .


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its a ridiculous law anyway..... whats a trucker (or coach) supposed to do if he is on an incline behind a slower trucker struggling to maintain 80k?.... why should he have to ease off and struggle himself when the only concequence is delaying faster traffic by a minute or so. I have NEVER heard anyone in the Uk complain about truckers in the second lane of a 2 lane mway

Guy:Incognito

corktina wrote: »

its a ridiculous law anyway..... whats a trucker (or coach) supposed to do if he is on an incline behind a slower trucker struggling to maintain 80k?.... why should he have to ease off and struggle himself when the only concequence is delaying faster traffic by a minute or so. I have NEVER heard anyone in the Uk complain about truckers in the second lane of a 2 lane mway

TBH what I meant was that I've come across yellow reg artic middle lane hoggers here. I've no issue if they are overtaking then movign back in.

whiterebel

Ghost Train wrote: »

Do trucks actually travel at 80kph, most of them seem to do 100kph

had two truck drive side by side on a 120kph two lane motorway yesterday, took about two minutes for the truck to complete the overtake by which time he had held up about 20 or 30 cars

Now that drives me completely around the twist.......Worse again when you've got one going at 80kph, and the other one insists at overtaking him at 81kmh for 5 kms........:mad: