suckler bulls to run with herd

valtra2

hi
i am running a limosion bull for last 5 years with my herd of 35 cows was thinking of buying a young charolie bull to run with them next year along with the limiosine, any thoughts on this and where would i find easy calfing charlaie bull, my cows are limx and herfordx

charityboy

valtra2 wrote: »

hi
i am running a limosion bull for last 5 years with my herd of 35 cows was thinking of buying a young charolie bull to run with them next year along with the limiosine, any thoughts on this and where would i find easy calfing charlaie bull, my cows are limx and herfordx

i am running an easy calving charlois bull , calving jack is gone in to reetirement very little work at calving man i bought the bull no longer breeds them any more

ellewood

any bull bred by pirate, hollowtree nichloas, picasso, if you are going to buy bull get his tag no and check em out on icbf website and check calfing difficulty anyting under 10% or 3* for calving accross charolais would be easy calving
what part of the country are u in ?

Waddy

wouldnt touch a charolais. in my view blues limousin and parthenaise are miles ahead!!

vanderbadger

Waddy wrote: »

wouldnt touch a charolais. in my view blues limousin and parthenaise are miles ahead!!

bought my first parthenaise bull there recently waddy so i hope your right

Waddy

ive two pt bull calves this yr by AI kyle chap both good calves. great bit a style to them pts. the blue is king in d sales ring though!

valtra2

ellewood wrote: »

any bull bred by pirate, hollowtree nichloas, picasso, if you are going to buy bull get his tag no and check em out on icbf website and check calfing difficulty anyting under 10% or 3* for calving accross charolais would be easy calving
what part of the country are u in ?

from carlow, what would you think about running a 5 year old lim and a year old charolais together, would they fight too much

PANADOL

Waddy wrote: »

wouldnt touch a charolais. in my view blues limousin and parthenaise are miles ahead!!

not at the weanling sales there are not ahead 150 to 200 euro less

leg wax

PANADOL wrote: »

not at the weanling sales there are not ahead 150 to 200 euro less

let me guess you go to a mart with no exporters and in a dairy area, sold blues the other day 1000euro with their weight at 6 8 months old,:D:D

tismesoitis

leg wax wrote: »

let me guess you go to a mart with no exporters and in a dairy area, sold blues the other day 1000euro with their weight at 6 8 months old,:D:D

tell me more we have blues to sell in d next month or so around 350 kgs avg where did u get that..... please tell????:D

leg wax

tismesoitis wrote: »

tell me more we have blues to sell in d next month or so around 350 kgs avg where did u get that..... please tell????:D

carnew mart;)

pakalasa

leg wax wrote: »

let me guess you go to a mart with no exporters and in a dairy area, sold blues the other day 1000euro with their weight at 6 8 months old,:D:D

They were worth feeding so

What breeding were they, AI or your own bull?
What are the cows like, muscley types?

leg wax

pakalasa wrote: »

They were worth feeding so

What breeding were they, AI or your own bull?
What are the cows like, muscley types?

ai bulls edj byu ovo empire, cows are mostly blondes, but have red and black lims also, have picked out 7 cows to cull this year, and will replace them with incalf blonde heifers, they are forsale in tuam mart at the end of the month did you see them on done deal

pakalasa

I had a look at them alright on donedeal . They look to have planty of height and frame.
How do you find the blondes?
Are they quite to handle?
Those AI bulls, Empire and OVO - they're hard calving I'd say? Calving Figures are high on www.icbf.com.

blue5000

leg wax wrote: »

ai bulls edj byu ovo empire, cows are mostly blondes, but have red and black lims also, have picked out 7 cows to cull this year, and will replace them with incalf blonde heifers, they are forsale in tuam mart at the end of the month did you see them on done deal

Hi leg wax do you have any problems with blonde cows, like fertility or docility? I've one 5/8 blonde cow I think she is by KOY and I reckon she wouldnt have enough milk for a cup of tea.

leg wax

blue5000 wrote: »

Hi leg wax do you have any problems with blonde cows, like fertility or docility? I've one 5/8 blonde cow I think she is by KOY and I reckon she wouldnt have enough milk for a cup of tea.

this is only my 4th year in suckling and to be honest with you fertilty in the blondes is no diff than the lims , if you asked me how many days between calfs i could not say and am not really interested in it either to a certain point, if a cow is not in calf at weaning she is culled,the blondes are very quiet no problem, milk is not a issue on this farm and what i mean is that i get paid for what comes out her ass as is it e/u grade calf, most of my blonde cows do not have milk they get a new paddock every day so cows and calfs get fresh grass to me this is worth 2litres of milk, just to compare a black lim cow plenty of milk can put 2 calfs under if i need her blue bull weighed 540kilos at 12 months he was r/u grade and he made980 euros, a blue bull by the same sire out of a blonde cow with no milk weighed 380kilo at 10months hemade 1380euro he was a e grade.

blue5000

So are you using a lot of creep meal then? My blonde cow is producing quality calves ok but I reckon they are much lighter at weaning. Reason I'm asking all the questions is that I've bought a blonde bull to run with AAx cows

leg wax

last fall i gave them 100euros worth of meal at 240 a ton , i put it in timber troughs every day, i now have 2 oneil feeders and have 7 bulls under one 13 heifers on the other 6 tons of meal in the 2 bins it will last 6weeks and they will be sold then before i go on holidays, 2 more weeks left and the bulls are doing really great.have 4 parta bulls in this group and have to say i am very/very impressed with these only hope the exporters are as well .

kboc

leg wax wrote: »

last fall i gave them 100euros worth of meal at 240 a ton , i put it in timber troughs every day, i now have 2 oneil feeders and have 7 bulls under one 13 heifers on the other 6 tons of meal in the 2 bins it will last 6weeks and they will be sold then before i go on holidays, 2 more weeks left and the bulls are doing really great.have 4 parta bulls in this group and have to say i am very/very impressed with these only hope the exporters are as well .

will you let us know how the parthenaise go down with the exporters? I like the look of them, i think they have alot to offer.

leg wax

kboc wrote: »

will you let us know how the parthenaise go down with the exporters? I like the look of them, i think they have alot to offer.

when to carnew mart today with the parthenaise and blues, the 4 parts weighed 450 kilo and made 1100 euro but the blue bulls made 378 kilo 1360 euro and 430 kilo 1450 euros. heifers 290kilo made 1000 euro . so they still like the blues best.:D:D

kfk

Parthenaise have been in France for a long time now yet the charolais, limousine and blonde are still more popular there. Its going to be very difficult to push partanaise here if the proven breeds are bringing in more money. Lovely looking cattle though!

tismesoitis

hey leg wax serious money there for ur weanlings fair play to u,fill us in on the breeding of ur cows and the feeding of d weanlings

Indubitable

and pictures of a few would be nice if possible

leg wax

tismesoitis wrote: »

hey leg wax serious money there for ur weanlings fair play to u,fill us in on the breeding of ur cows and the feeding of d weanlings

breeding and feeding already in this thread

leg wax

kingofthe3rdyrs wrote: »

and pictures of a few would be nice if possible

we only got a digital camera 2 days ago , going to france on tue for 2 weeks hols when we get back and figure out how to work it and put the pics on computer will put up spring cows and calfs. anyone going to tuam mart tomorrow to suckler sale, going from waterford with box.

pakalasa

leg wax wrote: »

.... anyone going to tuam mart tomorrow to suckler sale, going from waterford with box.

God you must be taking this suckler thing serious alright. I've never gone to Tuam mart, and I'm living in Clare.
Are you going to buy those Blonde cows?

leg wax

pakalasa wrote: »

God you must be taking this suckler thing serious alright. I've never gone to Tuam mart, and I'm living in Clare.
Are you going to buy those Blonde cows?

yes i have 7 cows picked out to cull [ have loads of milk if anyone is interested] but not doing the job e/u grade calf.i of the opinon that the cow is what pays the bills and what she produces and she can always be sold and i do not put money into fancey buildings with dept spec steel and crap because this will not make my stock any more valuable i spread slurry when i want to spread slurry so i can make money from it ,and not going into debt because some fool makes a rule about storage. sorry for rant

blue5000

Fair play to you on the prices achieved for the weanlings, are you going to stick with partas or go all BB? Have fun in France.

leg wax

blue5000 wrote: »

Fair play to you on the prices achieved for the weanlings, are you going to stick with partas or go all BB? Have fun in France.

blue all the way;)

pakalasa

So Legwax , did you purchase?
I wasn't having a go at you by the way. If anything I agree with you, except maybe on the milk thing.:rolleyes: (My best calf this year is out of a shorthorn cow, a SIAM (six) bull, a U maybe even an E)

vanderbadger

ya would have loved to see call to that sale if it wasnt for pesky work..anyone else go to Tuam?

SARAH ANNE

like 2 c the mart dockets, lot of pub talk going on here and back slappin lol

valtra2

SARAH ANNE wrote: »

like 2 c the mart dockets, lot of pub talk going on here and back slappin lol

haha my thoughts exactly sarah

tismesoitis

valtra2 wrote: »

haha my thoughts exactly sarah

in all fairness valtra u started this tread looking 4 advice on what breed to use. if ur not prepared to believe the advice given then why bother. i,ve seen prices like what legs has described given in our local mart and am VERY interested to learn how to achieve these.so if u actually doubted less and was prepared to learn a little more them maybe u might head in the right direction with ur suckler herd!! As for sarah not a very constructive imput made by u either

pakalasa

In fairness, I've seen prices like that too. Saw a guy get over the 1,000 Euro average for 12 BB Bulls at Ennis mart. They weren't super fancy either, all under 12 months and a little short of the 400kgs too.

Indubitable

Blues seem to be hitting very high prices at the moment alright.

leg wax

pakalasa wrote: »

So Legwax , did you purchase?
I wasn't having a go at you by the way. If anything I agree with you, except maybe on the milk thing.:rolleyes: (My best calf this year is out of a shorthorn cow, a SIAM (six) bull, a U maybe even an E)

yes i did purchase, the first 2 heifers in the ring had picked out 2 others but they went over my buget

squinn2912

Interested to see at this point if you guys are still on the Partha, BB and Blondes. Just read through the thread and found it very stimulating. We're almost exclusively Lim with a bit of Char and an odd Angus cow. Considering a new bull at the moment and my thinking is to go for an easy calving Charais but I'm not certain. Have around 2 months to decide

blue5000

squinn2912 wrote: »

Interested to see at this point if you guys are still on the Partha, BB and Blondes. Just read through the thread and found it very stimulating. We're almost exclusively Lim with a bit of Char and an odd Angus cow. Considering a new bull at the moment and my thinking is to go for an easy calving Charais but I'm not certain. Have around 2 months to decide

sq you have pulled this one back from the deep, a lot of the posters have closed accounts. We'll leave it run and see what happens.

But yes, I had a blonde bull, lost him to TB 2 yrs ago. 2 bulls now are an aubrac and angus. I still have about 15 blonde cows. Blonde bull calves always killed and graded well for me, but docility would not be one of the better traits:(

Who2

Stick with the limo especially if your part time. I've ran both a limo and char the last few years and sold the char last spring. I've cows starting to calve now and so far all the limos are flying it. The char all are taking three to four days to get going. Dozy sleepy bit lumps and while mine was relatively easy calving . They all needed some sort of help. Grand if your about all the time but torture getting them going.

High bike

blue5000 wrote: »

sq you have pulled this one back from the deep, a lot of the posters have closed accounts. We'll leave it run and see what happens.

But yes, I had a blonde bull, lost him to TB 2 yrs ago. 2 bulls now are an aubrac and angus. I still have about 15 blonde cows. Blonde bull calves always killed and graded well for me, but docility would not be one of the better traits:(

Have you calves off the Aubrac yet Blue?

Hard Knocks

squinn2912 wrote: »

Interested to see at this point if you guys are still on the Partha, BB and Blondes. Just read through the thread and found it very stimulating. We're almost exclusively Lim with a bit of Char and an odd Angus cow. Considering a new bull at the moment and my thinking is to go for an easy calving Charais but I'm not certain. Have around 2 months to decide

Are you killing or selling as weanlings

blue5000

High bike wrote: »

Have you calves off the Aubrac yet Blue?

Ya, and cows too, it's an old thread.

squinn2912

Hard Knocks wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Interested to see at this point if you guys are still on the Partha, BB and Blondes. Just read through the thread and found it very stimulating. We're almost exclusively Lim with a bit of Char and an odd Angus cow. Considering a new bull at the moment and my thinking is to go for an easy calving Charais but I'm not certain. Have around 2 months to decide

Are you killing or selling as weanlings

At the moment it's something in-between. We have sold weanlings this year as price was very good. We usually sell as forward stores but my aim is to take more cattle through to beef in future

squinn2912

High bike wrote: »

blue5000 wrote: »

sq you have pulled this one back from the deep, a lot of the posters have closed accounts. We'll leave it run and see what happens.

But yes, I had a blonde bull, lost him to TB 2 yrs ago. 2 bulls now are an aubrac and angus. I still have about 15 blonde cows. Blonde bull calves always killed and graded well for me, but docility would not be one of the better traits:(

Have you calves off the Aubrac yet Blue?

Ha yea I did a search for Charlais and this was the most informative thread. We've had very few Blonde recently I never knew them to be wild. Lack of milk was a problem, but went through a phase of using Partha and they seemed more milky though don't seem to last long as cows - not a fully fair test as numbers too small. Found that there were little alternatives that outshone the lim. Saying that Charlais are very popular in marts but problems around calving. From this thread BB was really popular around 2010 but I doubt if that's the case now, any opinions?

Grueller

squinn2912 wrote: »

Ha yea I did a search for Charlais and this was the most informative thread. We've had very few Blonde recently I never knew them to be wild. Lack of milk was a problem, but went through a phase of using Partha and they seemed more milky though don't seem to last long as cows - not a fully fair test as numbers too small. Found that there were little alternatives that outshone the lim. Saying that Charlais are very popular in marts but problems around calving. From this thread BB was really popular around 2010 but I doubt if that's the case now, any opinions?

Export market to Italy back open. Watch the blues rise again.

High bike

blue5000 wrote: »

Ya, and cows too, it's an old thread.

What do your think of em,how did the weanlings sell what are the cows like what kind of calves do they produce.Sorry for all the questions but I bought an Aubrac bull this year

squinn2912

Grueller wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Ha yea I did a search for Charlais and this was the most informative thread. We've had very few Blonde recently I never knew them to be wild. Lack of milk was a problem, but went through a phase of using Partha and they seemed more milky though don't seem to last long as cows - not a fully fair test as numbers too small. Found that there were little alternatives that outshone the lim. Saying that Charlais are very popular in marts but problems around calving. From this thread BB was really popular around 2010 but I doubt if that's the case now, any opinions?

Export market to Italy back open. Watch the blues rise again.

Well if that happens then blondes, partha will rise too. Always loved blue cattle but can be a nightmare coming off the cow

blue5000

High bike wrote: »

What do your think of em,how did the weanlings sell what are the cows like what kind of calves do they produce.Sorry for all the questions but I bought an Aubrac bull this year

I like them, quiet as cows, but you'd know you had them in the crush as calves!
I don't sell them as weanlings, they tend to be marked like a Jex around the mouth, even though they have great shape. I take mine to beef and put heifers in calf to angus mostly. Partha and aubrac are v similar, but aubracs are smaller.

Blues might be in demand this year, but they are a lot scarcer than they used to be.

Hard Knocks

Grueller wrote: »

Export market to Italy back open. Watch the blues rise again.

But how long will it last.
A super animal, whether LM, BB or CH, is always in demand, generally there's a market for plainer CH, but a plain BB is hard sold

Grueller

Hard Knocks wrote: »

But how long will it last.
A super animal, whether LM, BB or CH, is always in demand, generally there's a market for plainer CH, but a plain BB is hard sold

No harder than a plain limo or charolais in my opinion. A plain parthenaise is the hardest sold Imo as the finishers find it too hard to get fat covers.