Next Batman Villian

smilerf · 02-06-2010 9:29am #1

Ok so i've looked and i cant see that this has been done in a specific thread
So who would you like to see as the villian or villans in the next Batman movie?

Contrary to what most people believe i don't think it'll be The Riddler.
I can't see him fitting in Nolans batman universe.
I think he will want to throw us all off so for that reason im going for Black Mask aided by Calculator.
Sam Rockwell or Ed Norton would play Calculator and in reversal of roles im going for George Clooney to play Black Mask.
Who do you think?

mrgardener · 02-06-2010 9:44am

smilerf wrote: »

Ok so i've looked and i cant see that this has been done in a specific thread
So who would you like to see as the villian or villans in the next Batman movie?

Contrary to what most people believe i don't think it'll be The Riddler.
I can't see him fitting in Nolans batman universe.
I think he will want to throw us all off so for that reason im going for Black Mask aided by Calculator.
Sam Rockwell or Ed Norton would play Calculator and in reversal of roles im going for George Clooney to play Black Mask.
Who do you think?

Ed Norton would be great, but because he might be popping up as the Hulk again, don't think he'll be in the running. As for George Clooney, history has shown us that he should stay as far away as possible from the Batman franchise...

Kess73 · 02-06-2010 9:49am

I would love Hush as the main villan with maybe somebody like Victor Zsasz tied into the story. I like Hush because his methods and tactics are basically that of an evil Batman. If the Tommy Elliot character was used in a faithful manner, then it could work very well.

I do like the idea of Nolan doing a take on the Knightfall storyline. Would love to see a well done version of Bane on the big screen, and not the lumbering musclehead version that was used as Posion Ivy's bodyguard.

Bane is meant to be very intelligent and top tactician, coupled with his great strength and photographic memory make him a potent foe.

I highly doubt that Bane would be used though, and think it more likely that Noolan will go down the route of the Riddler or the Ventriloquist with maybe the likes of Firefly thrown in as token villans for Batman to take down during the opening sequence or the like.

smilerf · 02-06-2010 9:49am

good points
so maybe Sam Rockwell as Calculator and Michael Shannon as Black Mask?

JerryHandbag · 02-06-2010 11:37am

Billy Bob Thornton as Mr. Freeze

pwd · 02-06-2010 11:44am

Maggie gyllenhal to play catwoman...turns out she's not really dead!
(only kidding I know that would be terrible)
An idea that was suggested on this site before was the gangster boss from the last movie becoming the Penguin. Batman dropped him off a building in the last one, which could cause the shortened stature and the funny walk. His personality would be apt also, once a healthy dose of madness was dropped into the mix.

Basq · 02-06-2010 11:54am

Has to be Shane Hurlbut...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVj7rTF1aZM

Johnny Bitte · 02-06-2010 12:00pm

pwd wrote: »

An idea that was suggested on this site before was the gangster boss from the last movie becoming the Penguin. Batman dropped him off a building in the last one, which could cause the shortened stature and the funny walk. His personality would be apt also, once a healthy dose of madness was dropped into the mix.

Ah didnt

Two face kill him in the car, shot the driver and they crashed

I think the likes of the Croc just wouldn't fit into Nolans Batman and rightly so but the evil genius angle was covered with Mr J.

Bane would have to be my choice. Believable and different from the first villains.
I definitely think 1 villains though. This crap of having to have 2 is just not necessary.

One question I want to know is what will become of the Joker?

podgemonster · 02-06-2010 12:29pm

With Rachel dead

, there needs to be a female character in the movie which is why i think a Selina Kyle (Catwoman) would enter the frame.

I think having Scarecrow appear would be a perfect fitting to the trilogy.

But a burgular and a crazy doctor aren't enough to threaten Gotham as much as The Joker or Al-Ghul did. There needs to be a major player. So I really think a corrupt mayor (Penguin) who intensifies the hunt for Batman by the police.

jaykhunter · 02-06-2010 12:40pm

podgemonster wrote: »

I think having Scarecrow appear would be a perfect fitting to the trilogy.

Poor scarecrow, after seeing how amazing he was booked in Arkham Asylum last year, his role in Begins (i'm not gonna mention TDK!) looks pretty tame. Imagine if Scarecrow sent Batman on different drug trips. It'd be amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9aibilbJrU

imagine that on the big screen!

I'll be happy as long as Johnny Depp and Helena Bonnam Carter (and robin) aren't in Batman 3.

What about Dexter? (Michael C Hall) I think he'd be awesome.

jaykhunter · 02-06-2010 12:42pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Johnny Bitte · 02-06-2010 1:03pm

jaykhunter wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Good god man!!!!

humanji · 02-06-2010 1:32pm

Wasn't Victor Zsasz in ther first one as a minor character? He's the guy Rachel is trying to convict in court when the Scarecrow is clamiing he's insane. He could always be given a larger role in the next one, though you kind of need someone who threatens the whole city, so he'd probably only be a side-plot if he was in it.

conorhal · 02-06-2010 2:22pm

I heard a suggestion somewhere that the Penguin would be taking over as the new head of the Gotham crime families, (it's lazy casting I know, but) how cool would James Gandolfini be for that role!
Catwoman might also feature, a-la Batman Reutrns, an IMHO that role needs a Mean Girl, so Amanda Seyfried or Rachel McAdams for the Cat suit please......

pwd · 02-06-2010 3:03pm

General Zod would be an interesting choice

Skerries · 02-06-2010 4:03pm

jaykhunter wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Riddle me this Batman!

why are my hands white?

pwd · 02-06-2010 4:16pm

pwd wrote: »

General Zod would be an interesting choice

They should have him in a later film
In the next one they should have Doctor Polaris, Neal Emerson.

get it?

krudler · 02-06-2010 5:21pm

Anne Hathaway could make a good Catwoman

If they do go with the Penguin, then Paul Giamatti is my first choice, great character actor.

Bodhidharma · 02-06-2010 7:11pm

The next villain has to be either the Penguin or the Riddler. There is no other logical choice and here is why

1. The Dark Knight made over $1bn why - essentially it was because of the villain who was A. well known to the general public B. realistic (obviously Heath Ledger dying was a major plus for box office receipts too.

2. Nolan based the previous two films in a real world environment, so that kinda rules out Bane and Dr Freeze

3. Catwoman is not a serious threat and therefore a poor villain

My guess is that it will be either The Riddler played by Casey Afleck (which could be similar to the role Jeremy Irons played in Die Hard with a Vengence, planting bombs around Gotham and such) or The Penguin played by Philip Seymour Hoffman who may become mayor which would allow some minor villainous characters to have some input too.

I think the important factors are:
The prescedence set by The Dark Knight, studio bosses will want a repeat therefore it wont be some obscure villain
Christopher Nolan is a serious director and will want someone who can actually act (Eddie Murphy and Cher, i'm looking at you)

BopNiblets · 02-06-2010 7:15pm

Catwoman would make a good side villain only I think, like Scarecrow was in Begins, working for a bigger badguy and maybe getting romantically involved with Wayne as in most of the comics.

Morena Baccarin would get my cast vote

2smiggy · 02-06-2010 7:36pm

would love to see this

Gotham-Uprising-Neil-Patrick-Harris-as-The-Riddler-2010.jpg

FortuneChip · 02-06-2010 7:59pm

2smiggy wrote: »

would love to see this

While I don't fully agree withe the casting, it definitely is a quality poster.
I just hope that they find a way to terrorise the entire city without being too much like Heath's Joker.
Riddler definitely seems like the most viable option. We'll just have to trust Nolan! He hasn't let us down yet!

Jazzy · 02-06-2010 8:01pm

2smiggy wrote: »

would love to see this

no no no no a thousand times no

and yeah, Bane would be good.. maybe even Vandal Savage. or... set it up for a Justice League film by having one of the New Gods or something (though that is so unlikely its not even funny)

2Scoops · 02-06-2010 8:06pm

I think Nolan could give Egghead a dark twist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F825cdwotdM

heffomike54 · 02-06-2010 8:08pm

I agree with the earlier post the next villain while have to be someone fair weather batman fans will know and related to. I reckon the Joker and/or the Penguin would be the safe bets. As for casting, I would suggest Toby Kebbell, who was in Rocknarolla, I think he would be very good for the Joker.

aidan_walsh · 02-06-2010 8:34pm

Ra's Al Ghul or Scarecrow as relatively unknown characters outside the fanbase didn't harm Batman Begins any, so I don't see why it would have to be a "popularly recognisable" character.

heffomike54 · 02-06-2010 8:48pm

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Ra's Al Ghul or Scarecrow as relatively unknown characters outside the fanbase didn't harm Batman Begins any, so I don't see why it would have to be a "popularly recognisable" character.

I know what you mean but the first film explained batman's background and introduced all the characters so it worked well. well that is my take on it anyway:D

Galvasean · 02-06-2010 9:21pm

I really like the idea of Neil Patrick Harris as the Riddler.

Sleazus · 02-06-2010 9:31pm

I'd go for the "obscure villains" category were it a matter of personal taste. I think that Hush is too complicated to be done well in a two hour film. I do think that The Black Mask would work well, tying into Nolan's theme about the slow changing of the Gotham underworld from mafiaso to rogues - Black mask really straddling both. (Him or the Great White Shark, who is somewhat less likely.)

I think that - if you want to avoid the term "sausage fest" - there has to be a lady. Poison Ivy is out, as is - I think - Harley Quinn. That leaves Catwoman or Talia Al Ghul. The latter ties in too much to the first movie rather than the blockbuster second film. So I'd expect Catwoman. But she can't support a film herself.

I wouldn't expect penguin. If we get him, it'll be akin to the mafiaso supporting roles in the other two films.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Riddler, but I worry he may be too much like the Joker for the movie's own good. Still, he seems the only A-List candidate, to be honest.

krudler · 02-06-2010 9:49pm

Its a pity they cant/wont do more with the Joker, I know Ledger is dead and people would be up in arms if someone else played the role, its really unfortunate as his story wasnt really finished in TDK as he didnt really have a character arc which is what was brilliant about him, as he said himself "I think we're destined to do this forever" (which has extra poignancy given Ledgers death) Its just unfair given that hes Batmans most well known and bankable villain, and since hes such an important part of the Batman universe that we wont get to see any more stuff with him. If they did recast him, even for a minor cameo or role in Arkham or something, then Joseph Gordon Levitt would be the man to cast, he's working with Nolan on Inception so stranger things have happened, he even looks like Ledger:

Kess73 · 02-06-2010 10:13pm

Bodhidharma wrote: »

The next villain has to be either the Penguin or the Riddler. There is no other logical choice and here is why

1. The Dark Knight made over $1bn why - essentially it was because of the villain who was A. well known to the general public B. realistic (obviously Heath Ledger dying was a major plus for box office receipts too.

2. Nolan based the previous two films in a real world environment, so that kinda rules out Bane and Dr Freeze

3. Catwoman is not a serious threat and therefore a poor villain

My guess is that it will be either The Riddler played by Casey Afleck (which could be similar to the role Jeremy Irons played in Die Hard with a Vengence, planting bombs around Gotham and such) or The Penguin played by Philip Seymour Hoffman who may become mayor which would allow some minor villainous characters to have some input too.

I think the important factors are:
The prescedence set by The Dark Knight, studio bosses will want a repeat therefore it wont be some obscure villain
Christopher Nolan is a serious director and will want someone who can actually act (Eddie Murphy and Cher, i'm looking at you)

A real world enviroment rules out Bane?

Hardly, the comic version is very doable in a real world enviroment and it is only the cartoon version of Bane that would be silly in a real world enviroment.

Delighted to see someone else likes the idea of Casey Affleck as the Riddler though. I think he would be perfect for that role.

DazMarz · 02-06-2010 10:15pm

The Riddler as a Simon Gruber-esque character as mentioned in a previous post would be an interesting idea, riddles revealing locations to bombs and such, but then you run the utter risk of it being Die Hard With A Vengeance Feat. Batman. But I reckon Nolan would find a dark, twisted and frankly compelling angle for it.

Also, would prefer to see a more obscure villain. I'm a complete and utterly uneducated person when it comes to comics/graphic novels, so I would actually prefer a villain that had received little to no publicity in movies and television to add to a mystery element.

Nervous Wreck · 03-06-2010 12:13am

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Ra's Al Ghul or Scarecrow as relatively unknown characters outside the fanbase didn't harm Batman Begins any, so I don't see why it would have to be a "popularly recognisable" character.

The reason they worked was that there were no high expectations of them as villains from the general public which allowed the Wayne/Batman character to develop freely without drawing too much attention from the villains. Sticking a big villain like the Joker in the first film would have detracted from the development of Bruce Wayne and, as such, done the film a disservice...

indough · 03-06-2010 12:49am

it still means that the film can do well without an obvious choice of villain

humanji · 03-06-2010 8:55am

I think it all depends on what is going to happen to Batman. The character has to face some personal problem that is exaggerated by the villain. It'll might be something along the lines of Wayne's struggle to keep his identity secret or somethign like that, and there's loads of villains that can be used for that, like Hugo Strange, Hush or Black Mask could all fit in that type of story.

Kess73 · 03-06-2010 9:08am

humanji wrote: »

I think it all depends on what is going to happen to Batman. The character has to face some personal problem that is exaggerated by the villain. It'll might be something along the lines of Wayne's struggle to keep his identity secret or somethign like that, and there's loads of villains that can be used for that, like Hugo Strange, Hush or Black Mask could all fit in that type of story.

Had forgotten about Hugo Strange when I suggested Hush earlier. Good call.

Sanjuro · 03-06-2010 11:32am

krudler wrote: »

Its a pity they cant/wont do more with the Joker, I know Ledger is dead and people would be up in arms if someone else played the role, its really unfortunate as his story wasnt really finished in TDK as he didnt really have a character arc which is what was brilliant about him, as he said himself "I think we're destined to do this forever" (which has extra poignancy given Ledgers death) Its just unfair given that hes Batmans most well known and bankable villain, and since hes such an important part of the Batman universe that we wont get to see any more stuff with him. If they did recast him, even for a minor cameo or role in Arkham or something, then Joseph Gordon Levitt would be the man to cast, he's working with Nolan on Inception so stranger things have happened, he even looks like Ledger:

I don't think Joker has been completely ruled out yet. I may be mistaken, but I don't think Nolan has said he WONT use the character again. The idea was that The Dark Knight would be a set up for the Joker becoming the proper driving force for the third film. After all, Joker only has about 20 minutes screen time in the Dark Knight, which, in a 150 minute film is a tiny amount. I wouldn't completely rule out his appearance at this stage. And JGL would definately be a top choice. He's frighteningly close to Ledger and can certainly act.

Otherwise, I'd be more inclined to go with one of the lesser-known villains like Black Mask or Hush than someone like The Penguin or The Riddler. I certainly would be a little disappointed if it was the Riddler, although I do trust Nolan enough to make it work. There's definately room for Catwoman, and from reading Year One, would certainly make for a good nemesis for Bats.

seraphimvc · 03-06-2010 3:15pm

and i thought we discussed this somewhere else before :pac: anyhow, would be interesting to see some female villian from nolan, Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel was such an awesome choice from him!

Sleazus · 03-06-2010 4:25pm

Back when The Dark Knight was first announced, I remember Reading that the plan was for the third film to focus on the trial of the Joker and the ensuing chaos, which would have perfectly fit Nolan's notion that Batman and his foes are something so inherently alien that the system simply can't cope with them.

waterford1988 · 03-06-2010 4:27pm

I don't know why a lot of people here would be against the riddler.

As someone on another thread suggested, what about someone from the FBI is brought in to catch the batman who turns out to be riddler?

TonyD79 · 03-06-2010 6:30pm

Sanjuro wrote: »

I don't think Joker has been completely ruled out yet. I may be mistaken, but I don't think Nolan has said he WONT use the character again. The idea was that The Dark Knight would be a set up for the Joker becoming the proper driving force for the third film. After all, Joker only has about 20 minutes screen time in the Dark Knight, which, in a 150 minute film is a tiny amount. I wouldn't completely rule out his appearance at this stage. And JGL would definately be a top choice. He's frighteningly close to Ledger and can certainly act.

20 minutes??? WTF!!!!!! The guy won an oscar for a great performance that lasted alot longer than 20 mins!

mikhail · 03-06-2010 8:29pm

TonyD79 wrote: »

20 minutes??? WTF!!!!!! The guy won an oscar for a great performance that lasted alot longer than 20 mins!

It's a complex film with a lot of characters. I wouldn´t be shocked if his total time on screen was that short, though I'd have guessed the figure is a little higher myself. Anthony Hopkins won an Oscar for a shorter spell on screen too, remember.

On the thread subject, I'm not inclined to second guess Nolan at this point, so I'm just looking forward to whatever he does.

Handsome Bob · 03-06-2010 8:56pm

I'd love to see Black Mask and Deadshot. Black Mask because Roman Sionis kind of serves as a mirror image to Bruce Wayne, he represents what Bruce could have become instead choosing to fight for justice. Also, I get the impression that Bruce doesn't think much of himself in these films, to the point that he sees being Bruce as a chore and a distraction. I'd like to see Roman Sionis because I think he'd serve the purpose of making Bruce realise that he's a good guy and that he should embrace being Bruce.

Furthermore, Black Mask would signify the freaks truly taking over from the "traditional" forms of criminals.

I'd like to see Deadshot because I think with Batman as a wanted criminal, it would serve as awesome tension and a compelling atmosphere to see Deadshot constantly breathing down Batman's neck. It would add to the whole stress of being constantly chased and trying to operate whilst being wanted for multiple murders. Now he'd have a guy, who could be anywhere and who has a perfect shot, on his back too.

I think this will be a film that will not so much be about the villain (s) but Batman himself. It will definitely be Bale getting the plaudits for a centrepiece performance come July 2012 (whereas in comparison, it was Ledger who got that praise last time around).

As for casting, in a perfect world we'd have Jaoquin Phoenix as Black Mask and Sam Rockwell as Deadshot. Or that dude from Watchmen and the Losers, what's his name....eh....Jeffrey Dean Morgan I think.

Busi_Girl08 · 03-06-2010 9:29pm

I think David Tennant could do a great Riddler.

Valmont · 03-06-2010 11:02pm

I can't stop laughing at the picture of Neal patrick Harris as the Riddler.

Valmont · 03-06-2010 11:17pm

I think they wasted a villain in scarecrow. I know it's only a game but Arkam Asylum had the Scarecrow as a far more menacing character than the movie and I think it worked much better. I'm not worried about the next one anyway.