Women in Sport - Do you watch them for the Sport

CDfm

Now I must admit I am not a huge fan of Womens Sports. Then I am not a huge fan of sports on TV other than main events.I watched the US Open Mixed Doubles last year when Carly Gullickston & Travis Parrot won and it was worth watching for the sheer technical brilliance of Gullickstons game as the underdog she dominated. (the grunting in the Womens Singles turned me off that yonks ago)

But the Womens Singles nah. Athletics nope. Football nada. Womens Heptathalon I would watch. Beach Volleyball . Not for me -not even the skimpy costumes would drag me in front of the TV. Women Boxing -spare me.

I can't really get excited about Womens Sports because its like watching go karting when you can watch Formula One.

I know there have been discussions about Women and Sport and prize money but do men watch them for the sport or do men watch them at all and why.

Am I missing something.

cowzerp

Im bowing out!
your dead when the wimmins see this!!

CDfm

cowzerp wrote: »

Im bowing out!
your dead when the wimmins see this!!

Cowzerp - you are being chicken here.

Lots of women dont follow womens sports either.:cool:

Otis Driftwood

I very rarely watch women only sports with the exception probably being olympic gymnastics which I think is just amazingly graceful,apart from that,they dont interest me.

I guess its just a developmental thing in that when I was growing up the vast majority of sports I watched (mostly soccer,boxing and GAA) were men only or womens televised events were few and far between.

There is nothing sexist about it,they more or less just bore me to tears.

I would liken it to lower division football or say league of Ireland,when I watch football I want to be entertained,womens soccer to me has never been anything but tiresome.

Having said that,I would be a big Katie Taylor fan,she kicks ass.

Sugar Free

I watch womens athletics and weightlifting (as well as mens) because I find the sports themselves very impressive.

However with my two favourite sports - football and rugby - I would never watch women play it. It's just not the same standard at all and I find it boring.

CDfm

nedtheshed wrote: »

I very rarely watch women only sports with the exception probably being olympic gymnastics which I think is just amazingly graceful,apart from that,they dont interest me.

I'd buy that.

Skating too but its difficult to know if I would class them as sports even though there is a lot of training involved.

MediumWell wrote: »

I watch womens athletics and weightlifting (as well as mens) because I find the sports themselves very impressive.

So these are these spectatator or glamour sports and is their much sponsorship and prizemoney knocking around them

However with my two favourite sports - football and rugby - I would never watch women play it. It's just not the same standard at all and I find it boring.

mostly boring TBH

Having said that,I would be a big Katie Taylor fan,she kicks ass.

its a cool story against the odds and Barry McGuigan way

Macha

CDfm wrote: »

Lots of women dont follow womens sports either.:cool:

And lots of women follow mens sports for only one reason . I'm just back from Ospreys-Leinster final. Y.U.M.

CDfm

taconnol wrote: »

And lots of women follow mens sports for only one reason . I'm just back from Ospreys-Leinster final. Y.U.M.

LECH

amacachi

Outside the Olympics I rarely watch women's sports. I don't see why I'd watch for the women, I have an internet connection.

CDfm

amacachi wrote: »

Outside the Olympics I rarely watch women's sports. I don't see why I'd watch for the women, I have an internet connection.

You have a bit of that dont you like you have in Womens Professional Golf

Women lose their clothes and find a whole new audience

Jessica Halloran
December 6, 2006


SEVERAL of Australia's top female golfers have hit the greens topless and wearing only their knickers. The publicity generated by racy images in the new calendar, Top Shots: Women of Professional Golf 2007, has already raised the profile of the sport, according to Miss November and European Tour rookie of the year Nikki Garrett.
"It's got women's golf, in Australia especially, back on the map," Garrett said. "We're all happy with it."
At yesterday's announcement of the line-up for the women's Australian Open at Royal Sydney, tournament director Paul McNamee said the risque calendar had made promoting the sport easier. "It's a good product," .

The other aspect is that like it or not sport is a money making endeavour whether its from sponsorship or advertising or prizemoney.

At the Olympics you get the best competing and they are heavily subsidised.

Now I am not saying promoting sport is not a good thing but that womens sport is more a niche market.

I cant imagine the Cork GAA County Board sanctioning a topless calender or skimpy beach volleyball type kit.

The argument by some sportswomen is we train as hard etc as men so should have the same audience etc is a bit much as commercially they do not have the same support.

Snowie

some times if im really board il stick some tunes on and leave women volly ball on.

tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veZ26ac_s_w

Macha

CDfm wrote: »

You have a bit of that dont you like you have in Womens Professional Golf

That story makes me really, really sad.

CDfm

taconnol wrote: »

That story makes me really, really sad.

It is sad isn't it.


As well as being a bit pathetic.

EDIT I reckon there are 2 categories we have sports and bikini sports

Mrmoe

In the majority of sports people generally only watch the elite or the top division of a sport. 99% of the time this is male sports only. The only sport where I think women could out compete men would probably be gymnastics but people generally do not have much interest in that outside of the olympics. Simple answer is that female athletes are generally not as good as their counterparts at the top level.

CDfm

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

some times if im really board il stick some tunes on and leave women volly ball on.

Wait a minute snowie are you suggesting that the bikini uniforms are not there to allow freedom of movement and increase mobility.

Or indeed Gillian Cookes Bobsleigh Wardrobe Malfunction was a consequence of aerodynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS7dsdVMh0s

Mrmoe wrote: »

In the majority of sports people generally only watch the elite or the top division of a sport. 99% of the time this is male sports only. The only sport where I think women could out compete men would probably be gymnastics but people generally do not have much interest in that outside of the olympics. Simple answer is that female athletes are generally not as good as their counterparts at the top level.

So that would mean then that uniforms are not for sports but entertainment .

I can think of other sports such as show jumping where women compete on merit. Like people dont watch that for Sara Philips seat.

I forgot curling too where women have an edge and upper body strenght is only part oof the game.

krudler

Aerobics Oz style on Sky Sports, thats about it

Mrmoe

CDfm wrote: »

So that would mean then that uniforms are not for sports but entertainment .

I can think of other sports such as show jumping where women compete on merit. Like people dont watch that for Sara Philips seat.

I forgot curling too where women have an edge and upper body strenght is only part oof the game.

I think this is true for men and women. There are generally 2 or 3 ways of being "successful" in most sports

1. winning lots of competitions/trophies
2. attractive/good looking
3. being controversial

It would be easier for women to be more prominent in minority sports like show jumping and curling. If you look at the top sports in the world such as football,golf, tennis, rugby & athletics I would find it difficult to name any prominent female athletes with the exception of tennis. Even with tennis it is hard to look beyond Nadal & Federer

CDfm

Mrmoe wrote: »

I think this is true for men and women. There are generally 2 or 3 ways of being "successful" in most sports

1. winning lots of competitions/trophies
2. attractive/good looking
3. being controversial

It would be easier for women to be more prominent in minority sports like show jumping and curling. If you look at the top sports in the world such as football,golf, tennis, rugby & athletics I would find it difficult to name any prominent female athletes with the exception of tennis. Even with tennis it is hard to look beyond Nadal & Federer

Funnily enough I wondered about this too.

I found a link on it showing the advances that women have made in athletics since the 1940s compared to men.I couldnt but think that in boxing you get comparisons by weight.

Interesting discussion on tennis and athletics .

http://members.cox.net/kdrum/Menwomensports.htm

SugarHigh

taconnol wrote: »

That story makes me really, really sad.

Oh come on don't be so predictable.

Sport stars only make money because of advertising. Women's golf is simply not the same standard as the men's so why would anyone bother watching it? So therefore it has much lower viewing figures which means much lower advertising revenues. To gain viewers they have to resort to gimmicks like this to get attention because they simply don't have the talent to ge the same amount of viewers as the men's golf.

I really don't see what's sad about it, they either do something like this which means they have a chance of getting paid a decent wage for what thye enjoy or they put up with a crap wage. If anything it's unfair on the men who don't have the chance of resorting to easy gimmicks to make money out of sport.

SugarHigh

Women sports are have less viewers than mens because they are not as good, it's that simple.

Just because you are an athlete doesn't mean you have a right to attention. You have to earn it, something that most female sports simply haven't done because they are not to the same standard. People not watching female sports has nothing to do with gender. If a bunch of men were competing to the same standards as most women sports than no one would care about them either.

CDfm

The Casper Semenya thing was quiet odd. If you think of it she recieved very little support from women.Like the advances in womens sport in swimming would have beaten a previous generation of male competitors. The controversy was nasty.

The outcome or lack of it was fairly weird IMHO.

amacachi

CDfm wrote: »

The Casper Semenya thing was quiet odd. If you think of it she recieved very little support from women.Like the advances in womens sport in swimming would have beaten a previous generation of male competitors. The controversy was nasty.

The outcome or lack of it was fairly weird IMHO.

One thing I've noticed it sports is the completely different psyche among the men and women. In Formula 1 there's constantly stories about feuds within teams etc. etc., most of which are BS, and F1 would be one the bitchiest sports around. In Rugby, boxing etc. the lads beat the **** out of each other and have a laugh afterwards. But it's very rare to hear similar stories in women's sports. As soon as a woman pops up and is outperforming others by a good bit the murmurs start within the sport itself.

CDfm

Not all sportsmen are nice guys - Roy Keane could be a very dirty and vindictive player and this picture of Vinnie Jones and Paul Gascoigne is famous - a gentle testicle squeeze from Mr Jones

Eye gouging. Diving in soccer.




I think though the behaviour of Mary Decker to the barefoot runner Zola Budd meant the Budd recieved a really hard time from the US press and crowds following the 1984 Olympics.

It was something Decker acknowledged as down to her lack of experience years later but not at the time.

About even.

Except for the French Henry bloke who is a real bad egg.

CDfm

Is it my imagination but in "Amateur Athletics" Olympic Sports there seems to be lots of drugs, Michelle De Brun, Chinese Swimmers,East German Swimmers, Austrian Cross Country Skiiers,Florence Griffith Joyner (flo-jo),Marita Koch , Jarmila Kratochvilova ,Heike Drechsler-all tainted.

In fact, the womens atletics and games seemed to be dominated by drugs and at her best Flo-Jo looked and sounded like a Drag Queen.

So they will do anything competitive and beyond to win it seems.




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amacachi

Of course there are dicks in male sports.:rolleyes:

Men could get away with steroids to some extent more because it had less noticable superficial effects, but as the drugs are being updated and tuned this is becoming less and less of an issue. The levels of drug-taking would be at least as high in male sports I'd take a guess, just because they're not caught doesn't mean it'd not happening. I love sports, I watch dozens of hours a week, and others will disagree, but there's very few physical sports where I don't think a huge percentage are breaking the rules.

With the Olympics and drugs it was women who took them more as before there was widespread testing it was the quickest way to get results. Nowadays they have to limit how much they take etc. to stop it being too obvious, back then they could load them up with testosterone and little was done about it.

Galvasean

I watch the Arsenal women's team whenever they're on TV (heck, they're much more succesful than our men's team! :P)
There tend to be a lot of goals in women's football, which makes for exciting viewing.

Snowie

CDfm wrote: »

Wait a minute snowie are you suggesting that the bikini uniforms are not there to allow freedom of movement and increase mobility.

there genrally attractive tanned women wearing very little.


women do it to rugby players fair is fair.

CDfm

amacachi wrote: »

With the Olympics and drugs it was women who took them more as before there was widespread testing it was the quickest way to get results. Nowadays they have to limit how much they take etc. to stop it being too obvious, back then they could load them up with testosterone and little was done about it.

Well lets face it. That is a positive side effect of Bikilni sports -its much more obvious but just take tennis players sponsorship where sponsorship is used by sports apparel companies to shift product to women.

Commercially women will buy products promoted by looks rather than merit as this seems to suggest.

Women’s tennis player wonders if being blonder and thinner would attract more sponsors

By Jocelyn Gecker, AP
January 22nd, 2010


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Despite high ranking, tennis player has no sponsor
MELBOURNE, Australia — Despite her No. 11 ranking and a run to the 2007 Wimbledon final, Marion Bartoli has no sponsor and wonders if it’s because she’s not blonde and thin.
“I had one when I was younger, when I became the junior U.S. Open champion,” said Bartoli, who won the junior’s title in 2001 and was picked up by Le Coq Sportif. The company cut the deal a few years later.
She is now 25 now and the highest-ranked French women’s player, but has to buy her own on-court clothing.
“It doesn’t cost much, but I don’t understand why some lower-ranked players than me get a contract,” Bartoli said after losing her third-round match to China’s Zheng Jie, 5-7, 6-3, 6-0. “It’s really ridiculous.”
Bartoli who is 5-foot-6 and 139 pounds (1.7 meters and 63 kg) told France’s L’Equipe newspaper she wondered if the reason was because she is “not blonde enough, not thin enough, not tall enough.”

token56

I'll definitely watch any womens athletics events along with the mens. I'd watch womens tennis too, soccer and GAA not so much.

I just like sports in generally really and as long what I'm watching is of high enough quality I will watch it really. I think in things like athletics and tennis the actually quality of the events in both men and womens is fairly equally so they are both enjoyable, but in the likes of soccer, I just there is a bigger gap in the difference and its not as enjoyable.

CDfm

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

there genrally attractive tanned women wearing very little.


women do it to rugby players fair is fair.

Thats what I like honesty -its all about the sport :cool:

But viewing figures and paid for advertising????

amacachi

Galvasean wrote: »

I watch the Arsenal women's team whenever they're on TV (heck, they're much more succesful than our men's team! :P)
There tend to be a lot of goals in women's football, which makes for exciting viewing.

The few times I've watched any women's football the terrible goalkeeping and therefore more goals ruined it for me.

CDfm wrote: »

Well lets face it. That is a positive side effect of Bikilni sports -its much more obvious but just take tennis players sponsorship where sponsorship is used by sports apparel companies to shift product to women.

Commercially women will buy products promoted by looks rather than merit as this seems to suggest.

Yup, again I don't watch much women's sports. The ones I do watch would be those where appearances are less empahsised, athletics and winter sports mainly. Gymnastics also, while for some appearance may be important (I wouldn't read up on it) it isn't to me. The women are all in excellent shape naturally, but as with the male gymnastics that's because they have to be, it's almost all about purity of competition.

Snowie

CDfm wrote: »

Thats what I like honesty -its all about the sport :cool:

But viewing figures and paid for advertising????

are you talking about sponcership?



Rip curl who give me 26 t shirts a year 5 pair of runner's, 6 hoodies, a few shirts yada yada.
then gravitiy skate boards give me, 5 decks enough wheels. and protection gear for a year.
Then between booth, they pay for my travelling, my compitision entry, my acomindation and foods, and if I win I get 10,000 off the event and 30,000.00 sponcership reward.
now theats 25 k for 10 years of hard graft off training.

if you win 3 events year your nearly earning, more, as most irish couples.
you do that for 10 years you end up like tony hawk.

Then you have computer game endorsments sporting foods endosements your looking at 30 k for that.

Sponcership is the money maker and bread giver, if some ones reached that level of skill and become an athelaet with in his or her sport...
As far as im concerned he or she diserves everything they get.

Im useing a high end extream sport You take surfing, there even more oney one for one event.

Sponcership is needed for all sports


Ps im not sponcered.

CDfm

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

are you talking about sponcership?

As far as im concerned he or she diserves everything they get.

But there is a difference between professional and others that its a business. A person who can't generate the cash is in trouble businesswise.

Essentially they are a product and if the product cant generate sales they esssentially go out of business.

I had forgotten about Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan -figure skatting champions -where Harding & her hubby didnt exactly hire a hitman but were involved in trying to kneecap Kerrigan.

This took competition sabotage to new heights or lows.

Mrmoe

There are a few sports where women can dominate but mainly ones where extreme physicality is not at important. In this country horse racing would be an area where women could potentially dominate. There are some quality female jockeys already such as Nina Carberry and Katie Walsh. They have more of a chance where skill is more valuable than brawn.

CDfm

I can't believe it.

What is it about sportswomen and nudity.Hotletes is what they are called.

There is even a nude curling calender doing the rounds and its produced annually.

Now thats pervy :pac:.

Mackman

Sport is physical, men are physically superior to women. (im not being sexist, thats just the way it is) Therefore men's sports are generally better to watch.

I would still watch some womens sports, like golf, tennis (until the shouting gets to me and i have to turn it off), the olympics,(summer and winter). But womens soccer, rugby, camogie are just not as entertaining as the mens

Macha

SugarHigh wrote: »

Oh come on don't be so predictable.

I'm sorry - I shouldn't respond truthfully for fear of being predictable?

SugarHigh wrote: »

I really don't see what's sad about it, they either do something like this which means they have a chance of getting paid a decent wage for what thye enjoy or they put up with a crap wage. If anything it's unfair on the men who don't have the chance of resorting to easy gimmicks to make money out of sport.

Yes, because it's all about making money and we shouldn't worry about other concerns. Oh and yes it's unfair on men that some women feel the need to resort to such sad and demeaning tactics. Give me a frickin break.

Mackman wrote: »

Sport is physical, men are physically superior to women. (im not being sexist, thats just the way it is) Therefore men's sports are generally better to watch.

Sport is not just about the physical, there are far more elements to it. Therefore your conclusion is somewhat flawed.

Mackman

taconnol wrote: »

Sport is not just about the physical, there are far more elements to it. Therefore your conclusion is somewhat flawed.

Its mostly about the physical. If it wasnt there wouldnt be segregation between male and female sports.

Macha

Mackman wrote: »

Its mostly about the physical. If it wasnt there wouldnt be segregation between male and female sports.

There is segregation because of many, historic reasons. If it were done on the basis of body weight, regardless of gender, I think we'd see some interesting results in different sports.

Mackman

taconnol wrote: »

There is segregation because of many, historic reasons. If it were done on the basis of body weight, regardless of gender, I think we'd see some interesting results in different sports.

Maybe in a few sports, winter sports probably, but honestly i cant see women holding their own against men in rugby, soccer, hurling, athletics

cowzerp

taconnol wrote: »

There is segregation because of many, historic reasons. If it were done on the basis of body weight, regardless of gender, I think we'd see some interesting results in different sports.

no ya would'nt-unless by interesting you mean seeing the women lose, Boxing for example is weight based, do ya think women could compete with the men at the top level?

Women are just not as good as men at sports as they where not built to hunt etc, they kick mens asses at having babies though..

Macha

cowzerp wrote: »

no ya would'nt-unless by interesting you mean seeing the women lose, Boxing for example is weight based, do ya think women could compete with the men at the top level?

You've chosen pretty much one of the sports that's success relies on the physical strength of the competitors. But yes, it would be interesting to see what would happen.

None of this discussion negates the fact that there's no need for women to be portrayed so sexually when it comes to sport. Type womens sport into Google and what do you see? Look at how more conventionally attractive women are put on centre court in Wimbledon, as official policy. Look at the funding women's sports gets. Women receive far less encouragement than men to partake in sports and is it any wonder that this is a significant factor in why their level is generally lower than that of mens.

d'Oracle

When I watch womens sport, its usually for the sport.

cowzerp

taconnol wrote: »

You've chosen pretty much one of the sports that's success relies on the physical strength of the competitors. But yes, it would be interesting to see what would happen..

Boxing is a sport of skill, heart determination-i can easily beat stronger opponents in Boxing!! If 2 opponents are equal then the stronger opponent should win.

some of the running Kenyan men would be as light as sonia o sullivan but would whip her in the races, darts does not require strenght and men trounce the women as they also do in snooker, games some might say but the only sports women can compete with men are ones that are more about grace and poise! maybe ice skating or some gymnastics.

Bottle_of_Smoke

taconnol wrote: »

There is segregation because of many, historic reasons. If it were done on the basis of body weight, regardless of gender, I think we'd see some interesting results in different sports.

We wouldn't because body composition is naturally different in men and women. Women will naturally have a higher fat level and men will have higher lean tissue. Testosterone levels being different is one factor.

If it was based on weight the man would have more lean tissue therefore more strength and an advantage.

A comparison would be like a human and a chimpanzee of the same weight having a fight. Chimpanzees are naturally much stronger and would rip the human to shreds

CDfm

cowzerp wrote: »

Women are just not as good as men at sports as they where not built to hunt etc, they kick mens asses at having babies though..

Cowzerp lays down a birthing challenge

taconnol wrote: »

There is segregation because of many, historic reasons. If it were done on the basis of body weight, regardless of gender, I think we'd see some interesting results in different sports.

This may interest you on comparisons but in athletics marathon running women are competing at the same times as men did in the 1950s

10.49 seconds Women's world record (Florence Griffith-Joyner)10.08 seconds Men's world record under age 1910.30 seconds USA boys national record age 17-1810.54 seconds USA boys national record age 15-16
Conclusion: In the 100 meter dash, a 16-year old boy is about as good as the world's fastest woman. Although this is not conclusive, it is at least suggestive that perhaps the best 16-year old tennis player is as good as Martina Hingis. This fits fairly well with the conclusion above since the best 16-year old tennis player is probably somewhere in the top 50 of 18-year olds

In the mid 70s a 55 year old tennis pro Bobby Riggs beat the Womens #1 Margaret Couch in a challenge match and got creamed by Billie Jean King in another challenge.

He was an old man in professional sports terms and goes down in sports history as a misogynist.

I just wonder if you would get a womens champion to take up the challenge today.

In fairness, there were very few professional sports people in the 19th century unless you couinted boxers and jockeys. Sports were hobbies and the naturally gifted. Even 75 years ago Jesse Owens the Afro American athlete broke 4 world records and equalled another in 45 minites while carrying a back injury and had to be dressed to compete.

He was black.

taconnol wrote: »

None of this discussion negates the fact that there's no need for women to be portrayed so sexually when it comes to sport. Type womens sport into Google and what do you see?

Isnt this a bit more about how women portray themselves sexually.Bikini sports gear.You dont see that in the local gyms -then I havent been to Curves

I watch some TV sports with my girlfriend. The hepthatalon and I would watch Womens Curling in a way I would watch snooker. Very relaxing.

I would never in my wildest dreams have thought you would have a nude curling calender. Its like having a nude nuns calender.Apparently it sells 35,000 a year worldwide so the revenue stream will not be great from it per participant.

So what you have here is essentially a hobby with earning potential which is an alternative to real work -just like boxers in days of old or even actors -if you are no good (ie cant make a living at it) you get a proper job.

Now most Olympic Sports are supposedly amateur -now I wouldnt put down sportswomen taking their kit off or wearing bikinis down to lack of funding but to personal choice.Who else gets their hobbies funded??

Hell, you even have the Women Institute in the UK ( like the Irish Countrywomens Association) putting out nude calenders and there was a movie about it with Helen Mirren and Judi Dench.

I cant imagine the GAA sanctioning calenders.

So at some level you have to acknowledge that it is a personal choice of these women to sell sexual images as a lifestyle choice as an alternative to work.

Look at how more conventionally attractive women are put on centre court in Wimbledon, as official policy. Look at the funding women's sports gets.

Is this true -I thought centre court matches were allocated by merit??

A more relevant question is that they do this top maximize the revenue from adverrtising and sponsorship.

Otherwise they may not get an audience -so they are selling sex because the demand may not be there otherwise.

This is different to the Olympics as Tennis is professional. There is a choice as the French # 1 in the article above. She buys her own gear and does not get marketed that way.

Women receive far less encouragement than men to partake in sports and is it any wonder that this is a significant factor in why their level is generally lower than that of mens.

Sports is something you get into when you are young. You either have a commitment to it or you dont.

Part of it is a numbers thing -so the number of girls participating in sports is normally down to the girls themselves.

CDfm

d'Oracle wrote: »

When I watch womens sport, its usually for the sport.

when i watch womens sport it is usually about the sport too.

usually, i watch what my g/f watches and maybe i just never noticed the glamour gear before and it wouldnt induce me to watch it

Balmed Out

love watching womens tennis think its far better then the mens which is all about power. Also enjoy camogie and basketball. I did get into the old beach volleyball for the titilation factor but stayed cause its an entertaining game.

amacachi

Ironically I enjoy men's tennis more than women's because they've copied the power game from the men but they're not as good at it.

CDfm

amacachi wrote: »

Ironically I enjoy men's tennis more than women's because they've copied the power game from the men but they're not as good at it.

I just cant take the grunting thats part of the womens singles game.

Last year -for the first time -I watched the US Open Mixed doubles and it was a different experience- you knew it was tactical and the womern played with finesse.

And yes the blonde won (just teasing) :cool:

SugarHigh

cowzerp wrote: »

no ya would'nt-unless by interesting you mean seeing the women lose, Boxing for example is weight based, do ya think women could compete with the men at the top level?

Women are just not as good as men at sports as they where not built to hunt etc, they kick mens asses at having babies though..

When she said "Interesting results" she was purposefully being vague because she didn't have a leg to stand on.