is it sensible to change from pro tools to logic??

A V A

im thinking of changing my recording software,im not really happy with pro tools and its just getting harder for what i want to do!i have been looking at videos on you tube of logic and it seems easier to do a few more things!! a few people reading this might know me from my previous threads before about having problems with pro tools and it working with my operating system etc . . .is it sensible for me to change to logic?? im just really confused with pro tools, it really is a great recording soft ware but at times its just to much and im having problems with it being conpatable with ny mac


and another question . . .does logic require a big spec computer for it ro run and does it need fire wire for the files to run like pro tools??

if you can help me i would appreciate it

dav nagle

A V A wrote: »

im thinking of changing my recording software,im not really happy with pro tools and its just getting harder for what i want to do!i have been looking at videos on you tube of logic and it seems easier to do a few more things!! a few people reading this might know me from my previous threads before about having problems with pro tools and it working with my operating system etc . . .is it sensible for me to change to logic?? im just really confused with pro tools, it really is a great recording soft ware but at times its just to much and im having problems with it being conpatable with ny mac


and another question . . .does logic require a big spec computer for it ro run and does it need fire wire for the files to run like pro tools??

if you can help me i would appreciate it

Logic requires an decent Mac and thats about it. You are advised to record you projects to an external firewire drive. Logic uses less resources than PT, it comes with a much higher track count and it rarely ever crashes. The plugins are great and the midi functionality is really cool too.

ICN

Logic does crash - Not much - But it definitely can. Nobody is perfect!


I had the very 1st project I opened / made in Logic 9 to mess around - crash with a only couple of electric piano's, an Ultrabeat and a ES1.

Nothing since then though. Almost as if it was trying to show me who was the Boss! LOL

L8 crashed a little - but nothing that I hadnt saved. I think its some of the 3rd party stuff that F***'s it up for me. My Mac doesnt like PSP Nitro.

A V A

cheers for getting back

what is the difference between logic pro and logic express?? im dont know:p

and seems like i heard alot that pro tools crashes alot to and pro tools takes alot more like the specs of the mac mac and accessories etc(firewire and audio interfaces etc)??from the videos logic seems easier to do things than pro tools

are there things i need to know before thinking of buying ?? like what spec i need ((mac) firewire drive and all those details etc

PMI

Yeah come to the big leagues

A V A

PMI wrote: »

Yeah come to the big leagues

could you explain???

empirix

does PT still use the dongle - complete b*****s

A V A

i dont have a clue whats going on here hahaha whats a dongle???

splitrmx

A V A wrote: »

i dont have a clue whats going on here hahaha whats a dongle???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dongle

A V A

could poeple help me out ??

what is the diference between logic expess and logic pro ??


and what specs i need for logic to be compatable with my mac

im only asking because iv put my fate in the people of boards
because from my previous experience i have been told the wrong info and spent loads of money on the wrong gear that i "needed" and ended up having to sell it for a cheaper price

if you can help me out i would really appreciate it

cheers

Clanket

A V A wrote: »

could poeple help me out ??

what is the diference between logic expess and logic pro ??


and what specs i need for logic to be compatable with my mac

im only asking because iv put my fate in the people of boards
because from my previous experience i have been told the wrong info and spent loads of money on the wrong gear that i "needed" and ended up having to sell it for a cheaper price

if you can help me out i would really appreciate it

cheers

Hi Ava.

I use Logic Express 8. The main difference between Express and the Pro version is the Pro version comes with a few more bells and whistles i.e. more loops, instruments and effects plug ins and also has the mainstage bit (Ive no idea what this does). It's exactly the same other than this. If you're just starting off or are at an intermediate level I would suggest Express.

I make dance music and am finding Logic a dream. I started with Reason which was a great program for making sounds but fell down a bit when making whole songs (loads of scrolling down the rack and getting confused with routing of wires and also visibility of ports etc). Logic is very easy to use. I've mainly taught myself by watching Youtube but I also bought the following book which is very helpful

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-Pro-Training-Producing-Professional/dp/0321502922/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275388619&sr=8-3

I cannot recommend Logic enough. And the Express version is suitable for most amateurs.

Logic is made for Mac only so it will work on any mac, no matter the specs. However as with any cpu hungry program, the better the specs the better the performance. I've an Imac 3.06 ghz dual core, with 3gb of Ram and Logic has not crashed once.

PMI

Sorry didnt know this post is still alive did I mention make the move Logic all the way............

If your unsure look at protools 7 and then look at protools 8 and then think who wants to be like who

can of worms officially opened (cuts the red tape)

A V A

thanks for geeting back guys


ok i get you now, pro tools is way way to hectic for me right now guys the likes of fading in the volume on a guitar track is a task itself and also doing the simple things like stutering effect etc ye im only starting out guys but i want a great pro gram and professional kind of aswell

also should ad that i would want to use it live etc . . .does logic express have ultrabeat etc??
im looking to write electronic kind of stuff like john foxx , human league meats miike snow or what ever

http://www.thomann.de/ie/apple_logic_express_9.htm this is the one im talking about those this have a drum machine or what ever?? like the boom drum sequencer etc

http://www.thomann.de/ie/apple_logic_studio_9_engl.htm and this is the propper one and i know this has ultra beat etc

the video tutorials on youtube are amazing and explain everything so well compared to pro tools !!!

cheers guys:)

Rockshamrover

. . .does logic express have ultrabeat etc??
im looking to write electronic kind of stuff like john foxx , human league meats miike snow or what ever.

Yeah it has Ultrabeat. Logic is very good for the kind of music you want to do.

All the best.

Clanket

It's ridiculous how Thomann can sell Express 9 for €155 while Apple (the makers) sell it for €199.

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/MB788Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

A V A

so what will i be missing out on if i just get the express version??


is this dodgy?? is it thew write version amazon are selling?? heres the link

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002ISDD1K/ref=s9_simh_gw_p65_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0XK4BHCHZZ911HBWM18N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294

PMI

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

It's ridiculous how Thomann can sell Express 9 for €155 while Apple (the makers) sell it for €199.

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/MB788Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

Yeah thats to encourage you to buy it from anywhere anyway.... if they did it less then shops would undercut etc.. apple dont care about you buying direct as long as you buy

A V A

what you guys and my links befroe??

Clanket

A V A wrote: »

so what will i be missing out on if i just get the express version??


is this dodgy?? is it thew write version amazon are selling?? heres the link

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002ISDD1K/ref=s9_simh_gw_p65_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0XK4BHCHZZ911HBWM18N&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467198433&pf_rd_i=468294

Read my last post. And no it's not a dodgy version.

A V A wrote: »

what you guys and my links befroe??

What you trying to say here? You should probably read over your posts before you post them.

ebaysellerrob

sweet was gonna buy it off thomann but if this is on the level prob the best price around also look like a good price on final cut studio

A V A

ok sorry

Clanket

ebaysellerrob wrote: »

sweet was gonna buy it off thomann but if this is on the level prob the best price around also look like a good price on final cut studio

Are they not the same price???? stg£324.57 is approx €410 at €0.79 = £1.

Am I missing something?

A V A

sorry im just ridiculously tick!!!

can i ask another question . . if i want to a buy a separate drum soft ware for making good beats etc could i use the ultra beat to sequence the sounds (bass drums snares etc) in patterns ??? like use the sounds from the software??

dav nagle

A V A wrote: »

sorry im just ridiculously tick!!!

can i ask another question . . if i want to a buy a separate drum soft ware for making good beats etc could i use the ultra beat to sequence the sounds (bass drums snares etc) in patterns ??? like use the sounds from the software??

Ultrabeat can load any wav samples so yes is the answer..

ebaysellerrob

Alofthedunnes yeah think your missing something(decided to be polite) its 411e on thomann and when converting 324.57 from pounds to euro its 389.43euro.The exchange rate at the moment is 1 pound to 1.19 euro.Idiot!

A V A

dont mean to be a upset hear guys sorry

Clanket

ebaysellerrob wrote: »

Alofthedunnes yeah think your missing something(decided to be polite) its 411e on thomann and when converting 324.57 from pounds to euro its 389.43euro.The exchange rate at the moment is 1 pound to 1.19 euro.Idiot!

In fairness, I did say am I missing something, so no need to lower yourself to name calling.

I'm so used to using 0.79 in work, that's all.

Remember, Its nice to be nice

Clanket

A V A wrote: »

dont mean to be a upset hear guys sorry

You're not. Boards is here for helping. We've all gotta start somewhere

A V A

ahh cheers :)so im able to use any drum software with ultra beat and just select for example bfd drums or something like that and then i just click were i want kick drum to go or what ever

Clanket

I dont know enough about ultrabeat to answer you 100%, but I'll try.

What type of external software you talking about

If it's a plug in I suspect you will be able to program the drums in the plug in then just copy it to the arrange window in Logic. No point in running it through Ultrabeat is there?

If it's not and is an independent pice of software then you would have to export from the other software as a wav file then import that wav into Ultrabeat to be adjusted and arranged. You would have to do this for each drum sound.

Hope this helps.

A V A

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

I dont know enough about ultrabeat to answer you 100%, but I'll try.

What type of external software you talking about

If it's a plug in I suspect you will be able to program the drums in the plug in then just copy it to the arrange window in Logic. No point in running it through Ultrabeat is there?

If it's not and is an independent pice of software then you would have to export from the other software as a wav file then import that wav into Ultrabeat to be adjusted and arranged. You would have to do this for each drum sound.

Hope this helps.

to be honest i dont really know what drum software to get i just want to be able to make electronic beats and reasons why i want to get a separate software is because then ill have more of a range of electronic sounds etc ?

i didnt get you when you said if its a independent piece of software is it most likely that most softwares would be plugins?

Clanket

A V A wrote: »

to be honest i dont really know what drum software to get i just want to be able to make electronic beats and reasons why i want to get a separate software is because then ill have more of a range of electronic sounds etc ?

Ok it sounds like Ultrabeat wiull be fine for you. It comes with loads of sample drumkits. You can then buy or download additional kits or individual drum sounds which can be imported into Ultrabeat. You can then adjust them if needed in Ultrabeat.

A V A wrote: »

i didnt get you when you said if its a independent piece of software is it most likely that most softwares would be plugins?

I think most music making software is either full DAW's like Logic, Cubase, Ableton etc or else plug ins for these.

seannash

to be honest youll soon move away from ultrabeat and either use another drum machine plug in or put one shot samples into there own channels in the arrangement(this is the most common practice)

you can also load samples into banks in esx sampler.

Clanket

seannash wrote: »

one shot samples into there own channels in the arrangement(this is the most common practice)

Audio shots or run through Ultrabeat or EXS?

seannash

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

Audio shots or run through Ultrabeat or EXS?

audio shots are the most common.just slap them directly on an audio channel

Rockshamrover

seannash wrote: »

to be honest youll soon move away from ultrabeat and either use another drum machine plug in or put one shot samples into there own channels in the arrangement(this is the most common practice)

you can also load samples into banks in esx sampler.

Not a fan of Ultrabeat. There are so many good alternatives out there for very little money.

A V A

Rockshamrover wrote: »

Not a fan of Ultrabeat. There are so many good alternatives out there for very little money.

what would you suggest??

Rockshamrover

A V A wrote: »

what would you suggest??

Try the demo version of addictive drums to see if you like it, it's very easy to use. see link below.

http://xlnaudio.europe.s3.amazonaws.com/addictivedrums/demoversion/addictive-drums-v1-5-1-demo.zip

PMI

Have you changed from


Oops I mean digidesign yet

ZV Yoda

PMI wrote: »

Have you changed from


Oops I mean digidesign yet

He he ... that's funny... those poor PTLE users..
... hey, hang on, I'm one of them!!

jtsuited

used protools a few weeks ago for the first time in about 2 years. ............


.......so so so glad Logic exists. Was driven demented by the lack of adc.

Clanket

what does adc mean?

jtsuited

automatic delay compensation.

most daws automatically compensate for plugin latency. PTLE doesn't.

A V A

logic seems to be kicking the sh*t out of pro tools hahaha trying to sell my mbox now and im going to get logic express and a focusrite interface i was told they are excellent and ill buy plug ins aswell that i know ill use,need and want

ill post links for you guys soon ccheers

ICN

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

It's ridiculous how Thomann can sell Express 9 for €155 while Apple (the makers) sell it for €199.

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/MB788Z/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

Yeah.. But you have to pay postage on that dont ya? Anything over 200 is free afaik.

Keep an eye on Adverts.ie.. Music Section.

Logic Studio usually comes up every now & then for about 200 ish - so you'd be better off buying it 2nd hand. Thats how I got mine.

PMI even had one going for 99 - but that was definitely a one off, certainly not the usual :cool:

Hold out for a while, keep your eyes peeled & you'll pick up L8 for a steal. If you are just exploring @ this stage Logic Studio 8 would be more than enough.

A V A

its not letting me open addictive drums wen iv downloaded it !!


ye iv seen it advertised on adverts im always on there everyday but they rarely ever come up

ICN

A V A wrote: »

its not letting me open addictive drums wen iv downloaded it !!


ye iv seen it advertised on adverts im always on there everyday but they rarely ever come up

Well - Depends on how urgently you want it.

There are a lot of bargains out there - just depends on the aul patience levels!

Everything comes up!

PMI

Yeah sold full boxed retail logic studio 8 for 99 ?!? why?!? just a nice guy I suppose

ICN

PMI wrote: »

Yeah sold full boxed retail logic studio 8 for 99 ?!? why?!? just a nice guy I suppose

What a Legend! :pac:

Clanket

ICN wrote: »

Well - Depends on how urgently you want it.

There are a lot of bargains out there - just depends on the aul patience levels!

Everything comes up!

True. Was dying for ages to get my monitors but hadn't got funds to splash out. So I held out, watched adverts every day and eventually got a set of KRK6's for €270.

Bargain!!

ICN

Alofthedunnes wrote: »

True. Was dying for ages to get my monitors but hadn't got funds to splash out. So I held out, watched adverts every day and eventually got a set of KRK6's for €270.

Bargain!!

There you go!

Pays to look.. Well done Man!