Sheridans on the Docks

grainnereills

Sheridans is closed this evening.

Sign on the door saying "due to unforeseen circumstances."

Anyone know what the story is?

Is it closed for good?

http://www.sheridansonthedocks.com/
Same note on their website.

Madame Razz

The website cites 'Technical difficulties'

Maybe there was some issue with the kitchens or something. Milanos had to close before when their ovens broke down; They were open again the following evening once the problem was sorted.

thefeatheredcat

That's alright for me if they're closing (never liked the place or people there), as long as it's not the cheese mongers!

funnyname

thefeatheredcat wrote: »

That's alright for me if they're closing (never liked the place or people there), as long as it's not the cheese mongers!

Classy!

topper75

funnyname wrote: »

Classy!

Ah charging the prices that they were, there is no harm in a bit of schadenfreude on this one. Screw 'em.

josey_whale

I for one have eaten in the restaurant several times and always enjoyed it.

skelliser

Bring back padraicin's!!

Diabhal Beag

skelliser wrote: »

Bring back padraicin's!!

Still going strong in Furbo

McTigs

josey_whale wrote: »

I for one have eaten in the restaurant several times and always enjoyed it.

best in Galway since it opened imo

real shame if it's closed, hopefully it's nothing serious

Madame Razz

Something to do with the landlord wanting the place for himself now that they have built the business up and a late licence apparently.

BoogieBill

Sad to hear about this.Always found the place under Seamus and Miriam a welcome refuge from the faceless and moneygrabbing bars and restaurants around Galway.The staff were always friendly and knowledgable about the wines,beers and the food in the restaurant was world class.Hope its only a minor setback.

aido179

plus there were one or two seriously hawt bar maids

John_Rambo

thefeatheredcat wrote: »

That's alright for me if they're closing

Are Sheridans not a home grown Galwegian success story? Their cheeses are all over the country, is this begrudging at it's best? I hope they are surviving well.

El_Dangeroso

The food was very expensive, pretentious and not all that nice IMO.

They tried to charge 4.50 for a tiny chocolate brownie (like 1.5" cubed) not too long ago, ridiculous price!

grainnereills

John_Rambo wrote: »

Are Sheridans not a home grown Galwegian success story? Their cheeses are all over the country, is this begrudging at it's best? I hope they are surviving well.

they're blowins from Dublin...but have been around for a good few years. Sad to see it go all the same...Bar 8 is taking the pickup judging by the last few nights....

thefeatheredcat

John_Rambo wrote: »

Are Sheridans not a home grown Galwegian success story? Their cheeses are all over the country, is this begrudging at it's best? I hope they are surviving well.

not begrudging at all... i simply have no interest but thought thread might have also included the cheese mongers closing.

have been in there a couple of times, didn't have a great experience, so it makes no difference to me if they are open or closed. Sure, sad to see another business close not like they're my best friends or anything or that the owners will slit their throats to my comment :rolleyes:

EhBenDisDonc

Have always found the food downstairs very reasonable, and love the selection of wine and beer. One of a handful of businesses in Galway that I would really miss. I really hope they'll be up and running again soon.

Having said that, the upstairs restaurant is pricey, and last time I was there the waiter was so rude I'd have sworn we were on Candid Camera. Strange, as I've never had anything but good service downstairs.

John_Rambo

grainnereills wrote: »

they're blowins from...

Doesn't matter where they are from, Nigeria, Italy, China, Dublin, the profits are going straight in to the country. You don't hear restaurateurs from outside Dublin being called "blowins" in Dublin.

grainnereills

John_Rambo wrote: »

Doesn't matter where they are from, Nigeria, Italy, China, Dublin, the profits are going straight in to the country. You don't hear restaurateurs from outside Dublin being called "blowins" in Dublin.

it was my response to the statement that they were a local success story. Galway will always be a bit different and luveen, for the record, you'll always be a blowin if you werent born here...

have to agree with comments on the staff in the restaurant...incredibly rude and pretentious...with the exception of Seamus and the charming Gerry! The cheese and meat platter was a bit pricey downstairs but used to love it...it's annoying that it's gone...found myself with one less pub to visit last friday.

John_Rambo

grainnereills wrote: »

Galway will always be a bit different and luveen, for the record, you'll always be a blowin if you werent born here...

"luveen"... you have to be born here... That's very patronising.

Is it this attitude that holds the city back so much? Other cities welcome people setting up shop to improve the cities. I can see that vibe running through the other thread about how expensive it is to eat in Galway, I guess as long as this prevails Galway will always tail behind Irelands cities in this department. It's a shame, cause it's such a nice city with so much potential.

TristanPeter

Is it this attitude that holds the city back so much? Other cities welcome people setting up shop to improve the cities. I can see that vibe running through the other thread about how expensive it is to eat in Galway, I guess as long as this prevails Galway will always tail behind Irelands cities in this department. It's a shame, cause it's such a nice city with so much potential.

I think that's a bit of a generalisation tbh. Two threads on Boards is not equal to the public opinion overall of Galway City inhabitants. Certainly not mine..

biko

Loveen is quite commonly used. It's blow-ins here, culchies over there. Just a way of saying "not local".
I wasn't aware Galway was held back nor trailing behind Limerick, Waterford, Dublin or Cork.
It seems to be very popular is Best City polls in After Hours an also rates higher than any other Irish city/town internationally.
Maybe down to our many festivals and the races (ponies/boats)

Sure Galway needs improvement but so far I think things are going quite well.
I've been to 30 counties and all major cities and towns several times and besides Belfast Galway is by far the best place to be.
Do come visit.

I'm a blow-in btw.

This has gone way too off-topic. Does anyone has news about "Sheridans on the Docks"?

John_Rambo

biko wrote: »

I wasn't aware Galway was held back nor trailing behind Limerick, Waterford, Dublin or Cork.
It seems to be very popular is Best City polls in After Hours an also rates higher than any other Irish city/town internationally.
Maybe down to our many festivals and the races (ponies/boats)

Eh, easy tiger, read my post again.

John_Rambo wrote: »

I guess as long as this prevails Galway will always tail behind Irelands cities in this department. It's a shame, cause it's such a nice city

I am just talking about the lack of reasonable food to be got at a good price. I am not local, but I visit Galway a lot and I think it's a fantastic city. No need for the knee jerk responce!!

?Cee?view

Have to say, I won't be too sad to see it go.

The few times that I've been there, the staff have been unbelievably rude and ignorant. Embarrassing actually; as on once occasion I'd brought guests from out of town there - it was a major inconvenience on a quiet afternoon for one member of staff to have to explain a little bit more clearly to a person for whom English wasn't their first language!

This, coupled with outrageous prices. The cheese and charcuterie platter is smaller and twice the price of at least three places I can think of in Dublin, and no better quality for it.

I heard great/amazing things about the restaurant upstairs, but based on my experience downstairs I never ventured up to it.

Good luck to whomever takes it over. Great location and hopefully they'll set some realistic prices and hire some staff with basic manners.

Fozzie Bear

grainnereills wrote: »

they're blowins from Dublin...but have been around for a good few years.

Miriam is originally from Renmore and currently teaches in Shantalla primary school.

Webbs

Shame its gone and I hope the restaurant opens up somewhere else soon, though the location will be hard to beat, whenever had been there the staff upstairs were great, even got free champagne when by luck happened to be there on their first birthday.
Food was of excellent quality they were able to tell you the provenance of the food, care was taken with presentation and most importantly the quality of ingredients and cooking was excellent. Things that are sadly lacking in most Galway restaurants

frufru

"Food was of excellent quality they were able to tell you the provenance of the food, care was taken with presentation and most importantly the quality of ingredients and cooking was excellent. Things that are sadly lacking in most Galway restaurants "totally agree 100% with that.

and their guinness was savage! :cool:

Interceptor

Dey tuk are jerbs.

Damn, I have a voucher for Sheridans that I was hoping to use this month. Pity to see it go, great Irish menu and a wonderful selection of food. Oh well...

'cptr

brianthebard

Maybe they'll let you use it in one of their other shops/bars.

dloob

The city tribune had the story today.
The landlord has thrown them out, they say they are a few months behind in the rent but it's not about that.
Part of the terms of the lease was that the early license and the regular license be maintained, Sheridans however did not renew the early license as they didn't want to open early.
Under the licensing laws once the early license is allowed to run out a new one cannot be applied for, so the days of the early house in the docks are now over.
The landlord as a result has thrown them out.

McTigs

dloob wrote: »

The city tribune had the story today.
The landlord has thrown them out, they say they are a few months behind in the rent but it's not about that.
Part of the terms of the lease was that the early license and the regular license be maintained, Sheridans however did not renew the early license as they didn't want to open early.
Under the licensing laws once the early license is allowed to run out a new one cannot be applied for, so the days of the early house in the docks are now over.
The landlord as a result has thrown them out.

That's pretty much the story as i heard it too.

It's an absolute ****ing joke a week before the powerboats

Madame Razz

Could they not have just renewed the early license and not opened early?

Or can you do that?

I know my friend's family have a pub with a harbour license and they don't open early ever. Granted it's in a rural area tho....

Wompa1

McTigs wrote: »

That's pretty much the story as i heard it too.

It's an absolute ****ing joke a week before the powerboats

Maybe I'm interpretting it wrong but that sounds reasonable. There was an early license for the premises. Part of the agreement was that they renew it, they didn't so they got kicked out. The property has probably lost a bit of value now since it won't have an early license.

dolphin city

i agree - an early license would be invaluable - to lose that because they were too lazy to get out of bed does not say much about them. Or maybe they thought their "business" would get a bad name if the early risers were heading down there for an early pint. Ah well, they have no business now so they cut their nose off to spite their face.

the docks always had an early license - to lose that for the sake of their "business" is terrible. Don't they know that pretty soon everybody will be going back to drinking black tower and blue nun, like in the 80's , before all the Wine CONnoisseur's were invented. Their food was pretentious, not very good and extremely expensive. Ah still, maybe Padraigeens will come back.

McTigs

dolphin city wrote: »

i agree - an early license would be invaluable - to lose that because they were too lazy to get out of bed does not say much about them. Or maybe they thought their "business" would get a bad name if the early risers were heading down there for an early pint. Ah well, they have no business now so they cut their nose off to spite their face.

the docks always had an early license - to lose that for the sake of their "business" is terrible. Don't they know that pretty soon everybody will be going back to drinking black tower and blue nun, like in the 80's , before all the Wine CONnoisseur's were invented. Their food was pretentious, not very good and extremely expensive. Ah still, maybe Padraigeens will come back.

Hilarious

Enjoy your Big Country LPs

dloob

McTigs wrote: »

That's pretty much the story as i heard it too.

It's an absolute ****ing joke a week before the powerboats

Legal negotiations are on going but as they admit the landlord has a completly watertight case.
They better hope he doesn't go after them for reducing the value of the premises as well.

skelliser

So they got greedy by refusing to pay for the early license.

Good riddance imo. The Docks is a working place, fishermen are entitled to a pint.

?Cee?view

This, if true, is horrifying.

It's incredible that people who are supposed to know how to run a business can destroy a significant portion of the value of someone's asset so negligently. Basically, it seems they've fúcked up the value of the premises. Unbelievable.

brianthebard

dolphin city wrote: »

i agree - an early license would be invaluable - to lose that because they were too lazy to get out of bed does not say much about them. Or maybe they thought their "business" would get a bad name if the early risers were heading down there for an early pint. Ah well, they have no business now so they cut their nose off to spite their face.

The early license has been a problem for sheridan's for ages, they couldn't get a sunday license as a result. I imagine they let it lapse on purpose so they could apply for a sunday license afterwards. It was pretty cynical of them if this is the case, they had an agreement with the landlord and afaik they also run no8 so it wasn't completely necessary for them to have sheridans open on a sunday. It was a dick move either way.

dolphin city

are you certain they own/run bar 8 as well = thought it was completely different people.

brianthebard

Nope not certain just what I've been told.

McTigs

This, if true, is horrifying.

It's incredible that people who are supposed to know how to run a business can destroy a significant portion of the value of someone's asset so negligently. Basically, it seems they've fúcked up the value of the premises. Unbelievable.

My God!

I dunno, either you guys weren't in Padraics in the days before it closed or are looking back with the biggest pair of rose coloured spectacles this side of San Fransisco.

The bar had basically been taken over by the dealers. It was dangerous, sinister and the staff had no control over the activity in there.

The value of the building and business was sweet **** all until Sheridans took over, cleaned it up and made a decent pub of it. Between it and No.8 they provided a welcome alternative to Quay Street. If anything Sheridans was a positive contribution to the bightening up of that whole area which has increased asset value overall.

Honestly, these romantic notions people have of Padraics with ol sea dogs with claw hands and parrots on thier shoulders enjoying a pint are literally for the birds.

?Cee?view

McTigs wrote: »

My God!

I dunno, either you guys weren't in Padraics in the days before it closed or are looking back with the biggest pair of rose coloured spectacles this side of San Fransisco.

The bar had basically been taken over by the dealers. It was dangerous, sinister and the staff had no control over the activity in there.

The value of the building and business was sweet **** all until Sheridans took over, cleaned it up and made a decent pub of it. Between it and No.8 they provided a welcome alternative to Quay Street. If anything Sheridans was a positive contribution to the bightening up of that whole area which has increased asset value overall.

Honestly, these romantic notions people have of Padraics with ol sea dogs with claw hands and parrots on thier shoulders enjoying a pint are literally for the birds.

Fair points (Padraics was an absolute kip), but completely irrelevant. Sheridans could have made the building and the area into the nicest cafe society area you could ever want, but the fact is the early licence is now lost. Sheridan's have lost that licence (apparently irretrievably) and the licence itself has an intrinsic value regardless of what the clientele or the building are like. The building's owner now has a building which is less valuable due to it having lost a licence.

dolphin city

couldn't care less what padraigins had in the bar - the fact is that it had an early license that should not have been lost because they wanted to make their little expensive bar more "upmarket". You have dealers in nearly every pub in Galway I would imagine - not exclusive to Padragins and yes people do have fond memories of Padraigins - it was there for years with a lot of history. nothing to do with romantic notions - it was fact. Thats the end of them anyway.

Webbs

churchview wrote: »

Fair points (Padraics was an absolute kip), but completely irrelevant. Sheridans could have made the building and the area into the nicest cafe society area you could ever want, but the fact is the early licence is now lost. Sheridan's have lost that licence (apparently irretrievably) and the licence itself has an intrinsic value regardless of what the clientele or the building are like. The building's owner now has a building which is less valuable due to it having lost a licence.

But as McTigs pointed out it is a more valuable business due to Sheridans work they put in.
Methinks there is more to it than the early licence which has never been used since Sheridans reopened it. It (the licence) in my opinion would never be used by anyone as it would not make any business sense to open a pub for a very small clientele. It would therefore have negligible value.

The early licence was an anachronism - it hadn't been used in a year and no one seems to have missed it.

If it was part of the lease terms that it needed to be renewed then the landlord can do what he wants.

?Cee?view

Webbs wrote: »

But as McTigs pointed out it is a more valuable business due to Sheridans work they put in.
Methinks there is more to it than the early licence which has never been used since Sheridans reopened it. It (the licence) in my opinion would never be used by anyone as it would not make any business sense to open a pub for a very small clientele. It would therefore have negligible value.

I think you're missing the point. It's potentially a more valuable business, but primarily that value/goodwill attaches to the business that operates in the building as opposed to the landlord's interest. I accept that there is some crossover though.

I don't think that anyone could argue that Sheridans have left a building/place etc. that's more "pleasant" than it was as Padraicins.

The issue is that when you lease any asset, you've a duty to return it as the end of the lease in the same condition, save for normal wear and tear. In this case, it's almost like returning a building without its roof...except it's not. A roof can be replaced when the building is returned; this licence cannot be replaced as "early" licences are no longer being granted.

Pub licences have intrinsic values which is why they are specifically dealt with in the leases of pubs and why lessees such as Sheridans have positive duties under the leases to protect them.

The landlord, now has an asset (regardless of arguments as to the intangible value of improved image, clientele etc.) which is materially damaged in that a licence which is a constituent element in determining its value, is now permanently destroyed.

It'll be interesting to see if Sheridans get out of having to pony up for this. One wonders if they've structured their businesses in such a way as to avoid liability in this instance.

spender.j

As someone pointed out earlier, the early license precluded their being able to get a Sunday license. I would have thought that especially over the summer a Sunday license would be considerably more valuable, the early license would therefore only have value as an heirloom...

dolphin city

it wasn't their decision to make. At the end of the day if they got a "better offer" they could pack up and move on. The early license came as part of that building and should have been left with the building - sheridans were only thinking of themselves and more profit for themselves so they could have a sunday license. They deserve to be kicked out.

gassdfres

all they did was take out the pool table and juke box it was done up by the owner before they moved in . no body gets that lease for more than 3 years at a time. last two previous tennants 3 years also .owner of the place is sound but three years is three years.