speeding ticket

Terrontress

k_mac wrote: »

No it isn't. There are many roads around my area where it's difficult to know the speed limits. I see it as a perfectly valid defence if the area is poorly signposted. I think it's a very unscrupulous speed gun operator who doesn't ensure the area he is operating in is properly signposted.

Valid defence in a court of law? Yes. Valid defence to someone questioning your competence as a driver? No.

MagicSean

Terrontress wrote: »

Valid defence in a court of law? Yes. Valid defence to someone questioning your competence as a driver? No.

Yes it is. How is a person on an unfamiliar and unsignposted road expected to know the speed limit?

Terrontress

k_mac wrote: »

Yes it is. How is a person on an unfamiliar and unsignposted road expected to know the speed limit?

Speed limits are set based on several factors such as likelihood of interaction with other road users and a road's ability to facilitate that interaction.

In gaining a qualification to drive and developing experience of driving it is incumbent on a driver to be aware of those limitations and drive accordingly.

If you are on a road which is unmarked, single carriageway and restricted width do you feel it acceptable to travel at motorway limits because there is no restrictive signage telling you not to?

MagicSean

Terrontress wrote: »

Speed limits are set based on several factors such as likelihood of interaction with other road users and a road's ability to facilitate that interaction.

In gaining a qualification to drive and developing experience of driving it is incumbent on a driver to be aware of those limitations and drive accordingly.

If you are on a road which is unmarked, single carriageway and restricted width do you feel it acceptable to travel at motorway limits because there is no restrictive signage telling you not to?

Of course not. But if i an on a wide open multilane road I don't expect it to be 50kmph.

yorbloke

i just got a ticket for €80 and 2 penalty points for driving 38km in a 30km zone in dublin city today. I was supposedely driving on Ormond Quay at 5.45pm on a tuesay. this is rush hour traffic and the cars are bumper to bumper along the quays at this time.. Like did they fine every car on the road..coz we all move together.
I think its very harsh altogether. I am also a poor student who went back to college are losing my job 3 years ago... this is a severe kick in the teeth and i feel hard done by, here and also helpless.. i would love to meet the garda and possibly the law makers of this country and go to them..hay come on a second here does this not seem a bit unfair to you and somewhat over the top penalty for a small human error. i just dont get it to be honest... its these little things that push you over the edge and say ashh come on lets go to bloody Australia.
:mad:

pa990

yorbloke wrote: »

i just got a ticket for €80 and 2 penalty points for driving 38km in a 30km zone in dublin city today. I was supposedely driving on Ormond Quay at 5.45pm on a tuesay. this is rush hour traffic and the cars are bumper to bumper along the quays at this time.. Like did they fine every car on the road..coz we all move together.
I think its very harsh altogether. I am also a poor student who went back to college are losing my job 3 years ago... this is a severe kick in the teeth and i feel hard done by, here and also helpless.. i would love to meet the garda and possibly the law makers of this country and go to them..hay come on a second here does this not seem a bit unfair to you and somewhat over the top penalty for a small human error. i just dont get it to be honest... its these little things that push you over the edge and say ashh come on lets go to bloody Australia.
:mad:

Speed enforcement is a lot stricter in oz, and a lot more frequent.


.... Off you go

pa990

yorbloke wrote: »

i just got a ticket for €80 and 2 penalty points for driving 38km in a 30km zone in dublin city today. I was supposedely driving on Ormond Quay at 5.45pm on a tuesay. this is rush hour traffic and the cars are bumper to bumper along the quays at this time.. Like did they fine every car on the road..coz we all move together.
I think its very harsh altogether. I am also a poor student who went back to college are losing my job 3 years ago... this is a severe kick in the teeth and i feel hard done by, here and also helpless.. i would love to meet the garda and possibly the law makers of this country and go to them..hay come on a second here does this not seem a bit unfair to you and somewhat over the top penalty for a small human error. i just dont get it to be honest... its these little things that push you over the edge and say ashh come on lets go to bloody Australia.
:mad:

from wiki:

The state of Victoria in Australia allows for only a 3 kilometres per hour (1.9 mph) tolerance for mobile speed cameras and 2 kilometres per hour (1.2 mph) for fixed cameras on the basis that although the increased risk is lower there are very many more drivers involved which creates a substantial risk across the road network.[28][29] An alternate view is that police devices are accurate to 1 km/h, and that a 2–3 km/h tolerance is the minimum margin that police require to defeat any challenge in court regarding the accuracy of their speed measurement equipment.[30] Speed tolerance in New South Wales was an election issue in 2011, following a move by the budget committee of the previous Labor state government to abolish the 3 km/h margin in order to increase revenue.[28]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit_enforcement#Tolerances



its wiki.. i wouldnt be taking it as gospel.. but wiki has to have some truths somewhere

999nobody

yorbloke wrote: »

i would love to meet the garda and possibly the law makers of this country and go to them..hay come on a second here does this not seem a bit unfair to you and somewhat over the top penalty for a small human error. i just dont get it to be honest... its these little things that push you over the edge and say ashh come on lets go to bloody Australia.
:mad:

Maybe you should meet the parent/spouse/child of someone who has been killed by a speeding driver and ask them if it's over the top.

Enjoy Oz, this country doesn't need any more irresponsible, self-important drivers who feel the law shouldn't apply to them.

Zambia

In fairness thats a 1 point penalty in Victoria about the same fine it would be a lot more enforced.

kub

999nobody wrote: »

Maybe you should meet the parent/spouse/child of someone who has been killed by a speeding driver and ask them if it's over the top.

Enjoy Oz, this country doesn't need any more irresponsible, self-important drivers who feel the law shouldn't apply to them.

Less of the arrogance, FFS the guy was only going 38KPH, I often did that on a pedal bike.

To be fair to him, he is probably young, no excuse, I know, but perhaps inexperienced. Besides he is probably Peed off.

If only everyone was as perfect as your goodself

Turner

Yorbloke, please don't resurrect zombie threads.

Speed limits (whether we agree with them or not) are there for a reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDpOAXfangI