No english, possible to get a job?

johanz

My parents don't know english, so is there a chance for them to get any job at all?
I am not aiming high, anything that pays minimum is fine.

JamieBly

Start your own business, then you can hire them to work for you!

WIZE

where are they from

johanz

JamieBly wrote: »

Start your own business, then you can hire them to work for you!

I can't do that, not for some years at least.

Most Haunted wrote: »

where are they from

From Latvia.
(Boohoo, probably tired of seeing us already, but what can we do, our country is a total disaster)

Berty

Working in a basic job without English is probably easy.

Getting through an interview without English is probably going to be hard.

johanz wrote: »

From Latvia.
(Boohoo, probably tired of seeing us already, but what can we do, our country is a total disaster)

I liked Latvia, especially Jelgava but it seemed very poor.

Wolfe Tone

Considering there are many English speakers looking for ANY kind of work it will be hard. Good luck though!

LimeFruitGum

Nearly all jobs demand fluent English now these days, even if the employee isn't dealing with the general public or suppliers. Would they do cleaning or manual work? Or if they speak Polish, they could try getting a job in one of the Polish food shops?

eth0_

I don't understand...why did your parents move to Ireland if they speak no English?

I'm sure they could get a job in Ireland but it'll probably be menial, crappy work like picking vegetables and unfortunately it's highly likely they'll be exploited.

Can they not go to an intensive English course? It would improve their prospects.

AARRRGH

I'm assuming they speak Russian? Plenty of jobs for Russian speakers:

http://www.jobseeker.ie/index.php?k=russian&l=

MagicMarker

AARRRGH wrote: »

I'm assuming they speak Russian? Plenty of jobs for Russian speakers:

http://www.jobseeker.ie/index.php?k=russian&l=

Do you not think they'll need English for those jobs? How are they supposed to communicate with colleagues? Superiors? What are they supposed to do during the interview?

OP, your parents should focus on learning to speak English. I think it's safe to say there is zero chance of getting a job.

johanz

MagicMarker wrote: »

Do you not think they'll need English for those jobs? How are they supposed to communicate with colleagues? Superiors? What are they supposed to do during the interview?

OP, your parents should focus on learning to speak English. I think it's safe to say there is zero chance of getting a job.

It would be hard to learn english while being homeless.

MagicMarker

johanz wrote: »

It would be hard to learn english while being homeless.

It's even harder to get a job without an address.

AARRRGH

MagicMarker wrote: »

Do you not think they'll need English for those jobs? How are they supposed to communicate with colleagues? Superiors? What are they supposed to do during the interview?

OP, your parents should focus on learning to speak English. I think it's safe to say there is zero chance of getting a job.

I'm not the employer so I have no idea what their requirements are. I have worked in call centres before though and some of the people there didn't speak English so you never know.

But I agree with your general point, they have to learn English.

Magenta

From my own personal experience, there is NOTHING more frustrating than trying to train someone and being met with a silly grin and "I no understand".
It's even more frustrating for a customer.

I used to work in a shop. The supervisor was Russian and half the staff were too. I can only assume she interviewed some of them in Russian because there is no way they would even get past "Tell me a little bit about yourself" in English. One girl literally knew about 10 words. "Customer", "Pay", "I go for smoke" and "Please". I absolutely hated being on the same shift as her because every single time a customer said two words to her, she would call me over because she couldn't understand what "Where is the milk" meant.

B0X

I doubt they could find a job to be honest. Loads of competition for minimum wage jobs from english speaking people already, be they Irish or Polish or from somewhere else.

johanz

Well my parents do not seek a job where interaction with customers is needed.
Something like a factory or some **** where you just do same stuff and don't talk to anyone.
As for interview, I could go as a translator, right?

There needs to be more russian oriented companies.

johanz

B0X wrote: »

I doubt they could find a job to be honest. Loads of competition for minimum wage jobs from english speaking people already, be they Irish or Polish or from somewhere else.

Then how come shops and mcds I know of have tons of free spaces?

B0X

johanz wrote: »

Then how come shops and mcds I know of have tons of free spaces?

Where abouts is that? At least around where I am there's no work in any of the supermarkets or fast food places.

Magenta

johanz wrote: »

Well my parents do not seek a job where interaction with customers is needed.
Something like a factory or some **** where you just do same stuff and don't talk to anyone.
As for interview, I could go as a translator, right?

In a factory? How are they going to understand and follow instruction and safety procedures if they don't speak English?

johanz wrote: »

There needs to be more russian oriented companies.

In Ireland? If you want Russian oriented companies, go to Russia.

MagicMarker

johanz wrote: »

There needs to be more russian oriented companies.

Why?

Magenta

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why?

Because the OP's parents shouldn't have to go to the bother of learning the language of the country they chose to move to.
We should all learn their language instead :rolleyes:

eth0_

johanz wrote: »

It would be hard to learn english while being homeless.

Sorry, are they homeless now or are you saying they'd be homeless if they came to Ireland? Surely you would accommodate your own parents if they decided (recklessly and selfishly) to come to this country without knowing a word of English?

Why do your parents NEED to move to Ireland? Do they not understand how utterly f*cked this country is right now? Surely they are better off staying in a country where they have family, can access the welfare system if needed, and speak the native language!

It's situations like this one that encourage xenophobia, tbh. :mad:

Thoie

johanz wrote: »

As for interview, I could go as a translator, right?

I'm sorry, but I've never heard of an interview where it would be OK to turn up with your own translator. It's nearly impossible to judge the person's personality through an interpreter, and as others have pointed out no matter where you work you need to be able to understand health and safety instructions, etc. How could you even sign a contract for employment without understanding the contents?

Otis Driftwood

If this is a serious question then the answer would be as others have said,it will be damn near impossible for them to get a job in an english speaking environment.

From a health and safety perspective alone it would be an absolute nightmare.Best thing they can do is get english lessons.

Magenta

I am getting a feeling that there is a major sense of entitlement going on here.

OP: If your parents haven't bothered to learn English, tell them not to bother coming. We don't even have enough money and jobs for ourselves. 2004 is over.

And you SERIOUSLY think one of your parents, without a word of English, is going to get a job over someone who is fluent or better yet, a native speaker? Seriously? What employer would bother having the burden of having to nanny an adult the whole time because they can't read signs or instructions for themselves and will have to have it all explained to them in some form of hand movements?

another world

If they come on a stamp 4 visa they'll be entitled to free English classes with the VEC. Then they could get something after that.

eth0_

another world wrote: »

If they come on a stamp 4 visa they'll be entitled to free English classes with the VEC. Then they could get something after that.

No Visa involved here, they're EU nationals (Latvia).

Also, you're living in a lovely idealistic bubble aren't you? Send for your parents who don't speak a word of English, sign them up for benefits in Ireland and free English classes, and after how many months or even years they may be fluent enough to apply for a job in McDonalds - that's if there are any jobs - as the poster above you said, that's an enormous sense of self-entitlement.

Otis Driftwood

Arent stamp 4 visas just for non EU people?

eth0_

nedtheshed wrote: »

Arent stamp 4 visas just for non EU people?

Yep.

Stamp 4 is a very broad one, which for instance is given to spouses married to an Irish citizen and people granted refugee status.

itsonlywords

johanz wrote: »

I can't do that, not for some years at least.



From Latvia.
(Boohoo, probably tired of seeing us already, but what can we do, our country is a total disaster)

We are certainly not tired of seeing you. You integrate well and are European. Welcome to your parents. The only jobs available will be low paid in service jobs like contract cleaning and hotel work where they can work alonside other Latvians who speak English also and can assist.

itsonlywords

johanz wrote: »

Well my parents do not seek a job where interaction with customers is needed.
Something like a factory or some **** where you just do same stuff and don't talk to anyone.
As for interview, I could go as a translator, right?

There needs to be more russian oriented companies.

I had replied sympathetically before I read this post of yours. Why should there be Russian orientated companies here? You must integrtae with us and not vice versa. This is our country and you must go with the flow. Your parents hopefully will have a different attitude than you.

another world

eth0_ wrote: »

Yep.

Stamp 4 is a very broad one, which for instance is given to spouses married to an Irish citizen and people granted refugee status.

Thought they were Russian for some reason. Cheers for clearing that up

johanz

itsonlywords wrote: »

I had replied sympathetically before I read this post of yours. Why should there be Russian orientated companies here? You must integrtae with us and not vice versa. This is our country and you must go with the flow. Your parents hopefully will have a different attitude than you.

It was a joke alright.

I actually do NOT want ireland to be russified.
Because usually where are russians, there is chaos. Or at least that's what I got from my experience.

itsonlywords

johanz wrote: »

It was a joke alright.

I actually do NOT want ireland to be russified.
Because usually where are russians, there is chaos. Or at least that's what I got from my experience.

We would nnever be "russified" as you say. We are Irish and any legal immigrant is free to integrate with us and not the other way around. The onus is on people coming here to learn the dominant language and that is English. We cannot or will not change to suit others.

Russia is a big country/market. There is no reason why we shouldn't be seeking to trade with them more.

Back to the point of the thread - I don't see your parents having much luck without any English. The days of hiring anyone and everyone are over.

The only work they might get would be open to exploitation as said earlier.
(eg an English speaking gang-master supplying labour and not paying the minimum wage)

Magenta

itsonlywords wrote: »

The only jobs available will be low paid in service jobs like contract cleaning and hotel work where they can work alonside other Latvians who speak English also and can assist.

Exactly, the only jobs they can do are ones where someone is happy to be stuck babysitting them.

OP, look on any jobs website, they all want good English. Most want fluency.

johanz

Well that sucks. Still can't suck more than in Latvia.

eth0_

johanz wrote: »

Well that sucks. Still can't suck more than in Latvia.

No doubt you also complain when you hear Irish people refer to Eastern Europeans as "spongers", too?

johanz

eth0_ wrote: »

No doubt you also complain when you hear Irish people refer to Eastern Europeans as "spongers", too?

Complain? Me? No way.
I try to integrate as much as possible. I do NOT hate anyone, it was just a joke, a bad one tho, I am sorry.

Never even heard about "spongers" though. Mind telling how did it evolve? I suppose it has nothing to do with sponges, now does it?

Ironbar

It would be easier for your parents to stay in Latvia.

Because soon we germans will take over Ireland and then your parents after just having learned english would have to learn german as well.

So it's better if they just wait for us to come to Latvia. Then they only have to learn german and no english.

Muahahahaha !

johanz

Ironbar wrote: »

It would be easier for your parents to stay in Latvia.

Because soon we germans will take over Ireland and then your parents after just having learned english would have to learn german as well.

So it's better if they just wait for us to come to Latvia. Then they only have to learn german and no english.

Muahahahaha !

English is world language, if you switch it to german or whatever, economy will fall even more.

itsonlywords

johanz wrote: »

Complain? Me? No way.
I try to integrate as much as possible. I do NOT hate anyone, it was just a joke, a bad one tho, I am sorry.

Never even heard about "spongers" though. Mind telling how did it evolve? I suppose it has nothing to do with sponges, now does it?

You taking the pee?

Ironbar

johanz wrote: »

English is world language, if you switch it to german or whatever, economy will fall even more.

Well boy, it was only a joke........:D

itsonlywords

Ironbar wrote: »

It would be easier for your parents to stay in Latvia.

Because soon we germans will take over Ireland and then your parents after just having learned english would have to learn german as well.

So it's better if they just wait for us to come to Latvia. Then they only have to learn german and no english.

Muahahahaha !

" We Germans"? The nearest you got to Germany was the day you cycled along German Road in Johns Park.

johanz

itsonlywords wrote: »

You taking the pee?

Oh god I don't get it.

Morlar

IF someone who only spokle Irish landed in Latvia looking for a job with zero language skills how do you think they would get on ?

I think your parents will need at least basic language skills otherwise they will have problems doing every single thing, using public transport, asking for directions, filling in forms, chasing up their pps number any element of daily contact with the outside world is going to be a nightmare for them and whoever they are dealing with. It would be irresponsible to land in a country with zero percent knowledge of the language and expect to get by even as a tourist never mind to live there. English is spoken in a lot of countries in europe, but latvian is not. They will need to have at least basic english and It goes without saying that they should have the jobs lined up before deciding to move here and risk ending up dependent on Irish taxpayers.

johanz

Morlar wrote: »

IF someone who only spokle Irish landed in Latvia looking for a job with zero language skills how do you think they would get on ?

Actually it wouldn't be hard at all. If you know someone who speaks both latvian and irish, you ask them to go as translator and go through an interview.

If the job doesn't require customer interaction, you will be accepted.
Though latvia is in such status that even qualified worker can't get a job, and even if he can, the pay is so little you'll barely pay your rent.

Right now latvia is like a third world country in europe.

before deciding to move here and risk ending up dependent on Irish taxpayers

As far as I know that's not possible, you need a minimum of * months or years living in ireland to receive any payment, or am I wrong here?

Rasmus

Do your parents have any qualifications?

johanz

Rasmus wrote: »

Do your parents have any qualifications?

I am not sure about that.

Ironbar

itsonlywords wrote: »

" We Germans"? The nearest you got to Germany was the day you cycled along German Road in Johns Park.

No, I'm actually german....believe it or not !

Ich bin geil und will dich ficken !

johanz

Ironbar wrote: »

No, I'm actually german....believe it or not !

Ich bin geil und will dich ficken !

Nein du bist schwein
und
Heil Hitler!

That's all I know in german. No offense.