mariusz pudzianowski

.Moosejam

mariusz pudzianowski 5 times world stongest man lost to Tim Silva
in UFC the other day , Silva doesn't look to be in very good condition, he lost pretty easily though I would have thought he'd make a better fight of it.
Of course strength alone doesn't count for much without skill.
Still I would imagine most people who have very good conditioning
would have a lot of confidence when it comes to looking after themselves,
Is this confidence justified ?

If all you are concerned about is looking out for yourself what do you think
is a better bet the gym or a self defence course ?

Thx

danlen

.Moosejam wrote: »

mariusz pudzianowski 5 times world stongest man lost to Tim Silva
in UFC the other day

First of all ust to clear up, he lost in an MMA fight not "in UFC" which is an MMA organisation. This fight was not in the UFC.

.Moosejam wrote: »

Still I would imagine most people who have very good conditioning
would have a lot of confidence when it comes to looking after themselves,
Is this confidence justified ?

If all you are concerned about is looking out for yourself what do you think
is a better bet the gym or a self defence course ?

Just training in a gym will keep you in shape but tbh it won't be worth a f*** if you get into bother and you need to defend yourself, unless you have trained to defend yourself imo.

... well unless you take the safest (and most intelligent) option and put that treadmill training into action by legging it!!:D:D

cardio,shoot me

so much fail in the op, dont know where to begin

AARRRGH

Someone half Pudzianowskis size but with twice the fighting skills would kick his ass easily.

Someone a quarter of his size with with four times the fighting skills would demolish him.

Size counts for little if you don't know how to punch, move, grapple, etc.

Mellor

.Moosejam wrote: »

mariusz pudzianowski 5 times world stongest man lost to Tim Silva
in UFC the other day , Silva doesn't look to be in very good condition, he lost pretty easily though I would have thought he'd make a better fight of it.

Nobody expected it to be a good fight.
Nobody expected either fighter to look particularly good.
Nobody expected Mariusz to win

AARRRGH wrote: »

Someone half Pudzianowskis size but with twice the fighting skills would kick his ass easily.

I doubt it really. He'd just hold them down. Half his size would be WEC 135 :D:D

I know your exaggerating to prove a point, just messing with ya

Frank McGivney

going to the gym would do nothing for you if you get attacked by someone who knew what they were doing. In the gym you train to be fit or strong, but training to fight is completly different. Fight training is complex and develps speed and and skills and theres a huge difference between been strong and been able to transfer that strength into a punch. I think the other thing is that if you not used to getting hit then if you get attacked you going to crumble where as guys who fight all the time are hardened and you could beat a stick of them and they would still come back at you. you man tim silvia got his arm broke in an arm bar a few years ago and went mental when they stopped the fight. He wanted to carry on.

siochain

pudzianowski has trained his body in a certain way for many years, and all the muscle bulk he's carrying uses up a lot of oxygen. After the initial burst he gave where he took Silva down he was gassed. Look at the video and you will see his lats and delts are red and screaming for oxygen.
As for tapping to punches …… that’s just a whole different story…..

This is the most ludicrous matchup I've ever seen.

MMA is a sport. Success in said sport depends on experience and skill. Like any sport really. I would expect a similar degree of epic fail if the IRFU recruited Usain Bolt to be the new BOD "cause he's really fast".

Hail 2 Da Chimp

The only way Mariusz was going to win that fight is if he was allowed to bring a gun into the cage.

PeakOutput

in fairness in a street fight between two random people neither with any training the fit in shape guy has a far better chance imo

any sort of training on either side would obviously severely tip the balance though

brianthebard

columok wrote: »

This is the most ludicrous matchup I've ever seen.

MMA is a sport. Success in said sport depends on experience and skill. Like any sport really. I would expect a similar degree of epic fail if the IRFU recruited Usain Bolt to be the new BOD "cause he's really fast".

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_league/article3642825.ece

Hasn't MP been training in martial arts for years? I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

I think he has some belt in Karate, but that's not to say he's ever competed before or even done any hard sparring sessions for that matter.

brianthebard

brianthebard wrote:

Hasn't MP been training in martial arts for years? I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere.

I can see that one ending well!!! Sure you don't need to be able to tackle to play league!

Unless MP had been training MMA for years and years at a ridiculously high level he was never going to even survive against Sylvia. If it was an amateur mma competition maybe the head squeeze tactic might work. Against a former UFC heavyweight champ? not so much... Neither your kratty or your squat are gonna save you in the cage.

podge57

He used to be an amateur boxing champ, and a rugby player. He was always pretty athletic, but that fight was way too much of a step up for him

brianthebard

columok wrote: »

I can see that one ending well!!! Sure you don't need to be able to tackle to play league!

Unless MP had been training MMA for years and years at a ridiculously high level he was never going to even survive against Sylvia. If it was an amateur mma competition maybe the head squeeze tactic might work. Against a former UFC heavyweight champ? not so much... Neither your kratty or your squat are gonna save you in the cage.

All I'm saying is some people are talking about him like he just got out of the audience and into the cage for a laugh, I think he's a little more prepared than that. Not much but a bit.

danlen

PeakOutput wrote: »

in fairness in a street fight between two random people neither with any training the fit in shape guy has a far better chance imo

I would say it would be more dependant on which of them threw (and landed) the first blow tbh, considering their both untrained in combat sports

d'Oracle

This is probably the worst thread on Boards.

d'Oracle

d'Oracle wrote: »

This is probably the worst thread on Boards.

WRONG. A quick trip to After Hours will reveal the extent of your wrongness!!!

And these are from the first two pages!!!

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919100

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919921

d'Oracle

Ok.
There is one there that would give this a run for its money.

.Moosejam

Well this was his third fight and he won his first 2, though silva is an ex champ so perhaps a bit of a jump maybe a few more fight's first, but still I would have liked to see him do well, I hope he doesn't get too discouraged. After winning strongest man 5 times I doubt he has any interest in it anymore, would be good to still see him about the place though he is a great example

Kev M

For anyone who hasn't seen it..

http://www.mmavideos.pl/video/mariusz-pudzianowski-vs-tim-sylvia-moosin

Raekwon

.Moosejam wrote: »

Well this was his third fight and he won his first 2, though silva is an ex champ so perhaps a bit of a jump maybe a few more fight's first, but still I would have liked to see him do well, I hope he doesn't get too discouraged. After winning strongest man 5 times I doubt he has any interest in it anymore, would be good to still see him about the place though he is a great example

Stop calling him Silva, his name is Sylvia!

Anyway, putting Pudzianowski in with a fighter with Sylvia's experience in his third pro contest was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. Sylvia has been a professional fighter for nearly 10 years and has fought the likes of Mir, Couture, Nogueira & Fedor and although he got knocked out in 9 seconds by ex-boxer Ray Mercier it doesn't mean he suddenly forgot how to fight.

I am basing this on one fight, but if Pudzianowski has any future in MMA then he will need to learn how to do takedowns and clinches properly and most importantly how to defend. In the fight with Sylvia he started off well with soccer kicks and went straight for a take down but he wore himself out trying to lift Sylvia against the cage while taking punches/elbows in the head........and that was ultimately his undoing. He would also need to work on his stamina because he looked exhausted after about one minute into the fight.

TBH I think he is a novelty fighter, similar to Kimbo Slice or Eric "Butterbean" Esch, he probably would have made a few quid over in Japan back in the Pride days because of his size/physique but I doubt he will have any sort of impact on the modern MMA scene.

colman1212

columok wrote: »

WRONG. A quick trip to After Hours will reveal the extent of your wrongness!!!

And these are from the first two pages!!!

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919100

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919921

That first thread is one of the funniest things I have seen in ages, I actually can't believe how many people voted on it...Priceless!!!

Michael 09

PeakOutput was reading my mind!

I think the only way in which being strong and fit without any fighting training will help is if the guy you're fighting is also untrained...

logically, if you have 2 people with minimal fighting training or experience where one of them is working out regularly and lifting decent weights while the other guy is your standard skinny irish guy - the gym guy has got to have a serious upper hand!!

slicus ricus

Raekwon wrote: »

In the fight with Sylvia he started off well with soccer kicks and went straight for a take down but he wore himself out trying to lift Sylvia against the cage while taking punches/elbows in the head........and that was ultimately his undoing. He would also need to work on his stamina because he looked exhausted after about one minute into the fight.

The reason he was so exhausted one minute into the fight was that he spent the 1st minute trying to wrestle sylvia to the mat without using any wrestling technique whatsoever! He essentially tried to take him down using brute strength alone. That's always going to be extremely difficult and exhausting (no matter how strong Marius is) when the guy he's trying to take down is as big as sylvia and can apply take down defence techniques with any reasonable level of effectiveness. Couture, for example, wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as Marius and took down Sylvia with ease - why?, because he used wrestling to do so, not raw strength. While Couture's stamina is immense, even he wouldn't last too long trying to take down Sylvia the way Marius tried to i.e. with strength and not wrestling.

If you're gonna watch an mma freakshow Butterbean is your only man!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPE128heuDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjep2b224Go

jimi_t2

columok wrote: »

I would expect a similar degree of epic fail if the IRFU recruited Usain Bolt to be the new BOD "cause he's really fast".

Ah c'mon now.

We'd be able to find a place for him on the wing somewhere

Pin_Cushion

Going to the gym will probably work in your favour if you are attacked on the street. Tim Sylvia is a professional fighter whereas Pudz is good at lifting really heavy things. He did put in a respectable enough showing to be fair, considering how he's only had a few pro fights and Sylvia is a former champion.

Anyone notice how Pudz changed from being normal colour to purple by the end of the fight? :eek:

DL Saint

pudzianowski has a kick-boxing background from when he was young!

jimi_t2

DL Saint wrote: »

pudzianowski has a kick-boxing background from when he was young!

Not much use when you can't get your legs above your waist

Raekwon

slicus ricus wrote: »

The reason he was so exhausted one minute into the fight was that he spent the 1st minute trying to wrestle sylvia to the mat without using any wrestling technique whatsoever! He essentially tried to take him down using brute strength alone. That's always going to be extremely difficult and exhausting (no matter how strong Marius is) when the guy he's trying to take down is as big as sylvia and can apply take down defence techniques with any reasonable level of effectiveness. Couture, for example, wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as Marius and took down Sylvia with ease - why?, because he used wrestling to do so, not raw strength. While Couture's stamina is immense, even he wouldn't last too long trying to take down Sylvia the way Marius tried to i.e. with strength and not wrestling.

Yeah that's exactly what I meant, he started off by backing Sylvia up against the cage and tried to lift him, you could immediately tell that he was burning lots of energy because he went purple and Sylvia continuously threw shots at him wearing him down even more and drawing blood. I also said he should work on his takedown & clinching technique and defence.........he was caught with everything Sylvia threw.......punches, knees, you name it.........if he had a kitchen sink in there he probably would have thrown that too and Mariusz would have walked right into it :pac:

cc87

Who would win in a fight? Batman or superman?

Mellor

DL Saint wrote: »

pudzianowski has a kick-boxing background from when he was young!

Karate, not kickboxing.
And he was a green belt, which isn't very advanced.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

cc87 wrote: »

Who would win in a fight? Batman or superman?

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Hail 2 Da Chimp

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