bye bye jobs

ei.sdraob

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ireland-loses-ryanair-hangar-and-up-to-200-jobs-to-germany-and-frankfurt-hahn-airport

IRELAND LOSES RYANAIR HANGAR AND UP TO 200 JOBS TO GERMANY AND FRANKFURT HAHN AIRPORT



Ryanair today (Thursday, 20th May) announced that it had selected Frankfurt Hahn Airport in Germany as the location for its next maintenance hangar and crew training facility. At a press conference in Mainz today, hosted by Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary and Minister for Economics and Transport, Hendrik Hering, Ryanair announced that it would invest €25m in building a new two bay aircraft maintenance hangar including two aircraft simulators and a 16 room cabin crew training centre, in a move which will create up to 200 new Ryanair jobs at Frankfurt Hahn Airport.

This investment which has been supported by Frankfurt Hahn Airport and the Rhineland-Palatinate Government will take Ryanair’s jobs numbers at Frankfurt Hahn up to 600 people. Ryanair will now allocate a substantial proportion of its base maintenance requirements to this new German hangar facility which will be available from the end of 2010.

This new facility and jobs will replace those previously offered to the Irish Government earlier this year in the empty Hangar 6 at Dublin Airport. Ryanair regrets that even today, many months later, Hangar 6 remains unused for base maintenance, while up to 900 SRT Engineers remain unemployed, drawing the dole. Many of these people could have found skilled, well paid work, with Ryanair, had the Irish Government accepted the airline’s offer to buy or lease Hangar 6 and divert a significant proportion of Ryanair’s base maintenance to Dublin Airport.

Speaking today in Germany, Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said:

“While we are pleased to announce this new investment in Germany and Frankfurt Hahn Airport, I regret that the Irish Government stood idly by and did nothing to win these new jobs for Ireland. The Irish Government talks a lot about competitiveness, but is short on action.

“At a time when traffic and tourism is collapsing in Ireland, the Irish Government prefers to impose tourist taxes, and order big increases in Dublin Airport’s fees, rather than work with the world’s largest airline to lower access costs, win investment in maintenance or create hundreds of well paid engineering jobs at Dublin Airport.

“Sadly in Ireland, we are stuck with a Government which likes talking about the “smart economy” but prefers implementing “dumb policy”. The sooner they reverse these tourist taxes and slash high costs at the Government owned DAA airports, then the sooner Irish airports and tourism can return to low cost access and traffic growth”.

Im surprised how little coverage this received in the state media

If one of the only few large Irish companies has to move countries

what hope is there for anyone starting out?

queue "but the governments are a GOOD thing, and we need more and larger governance" apologist statists in 3,2,1...

ParkRunner

I just question why they can't build a hangar at Dublin airport if they are that keen on keeping the jobs in Ireland. It is sad to see 200 jobs go abroad after what happened at SR Technics, but this story reeks of a publicity seeking stunt and O'Leary spin.

ei.sdraob

why build a hanger when there's an empty one

while i dont like O'Leary for being so in your face, you have to give it to him for being a good businessman
good businesses create good jobs

something that we are lacking at the moment

last I checked fixing airplanes does require skilled people, were not talking about Dell type put together a computer jobs that a trained monkey can do

OMD

ei.sdraob wrote: »

why build a hanger when there's an empty one

Why build a hanger in Germany (at a cost of €25 million) when they were offered a free hanger in Dublin?

ParkRunner

ei.sdraob wrote: »

why build a hanger when there's an empty one

while i dont like O'Leary for being so in your face, you have to give it to him for being a good businessman
good businesses create good jobs

something that we are lacking at the moment

last I checked fixing airplanes does require skilled people, were not talking about Dell type put together a computer jobs that a trained monkey can do

It's quite simple I think. The hangar he wanted is already leased to his main competitor in Ireland for 20 years. He could, if he wanted to, rent a smaller hangar in the airport or build a replica in another part of the airport (which is exactly what he is doing in Frankfurt).

As much as I don't like the current government I think it is going a step too far to suggest that they would stand idly by and let 200 jobs leave the economy if there was something they could realistically do.

ei.sdraob

OMD wrote: »

Why build a hanger in Germany (at a cost of €25 million) when they were offered a free hanger in Dublin?

Obviously what was offered wasn't good enough
if you read the news you would see high charges at Dublin airport being mentioned as well, and then there's the DDA...
whats the point of getting a free hanger (how long do these thing take to be be build? DDA are not exactly known for being good at building....) when you end-up spending money to land aircraft there

anyways i wonder how many of the SRT technicians will take advantage of the EU freedom of movement in order to apply for jobs

EF

EF wrote: »

I just question why they can't build a hangar at Dublin airport if they are that keen on keeping the jobs in Ireland. It is sad to see 200 jobs go abroad after what happened at SR Technics, but this story reeks of a publicity seeking stunt and O'Leary spin.

say it like you can just build a hanger like clicking your fingers...alot of red tape i.e planning etc business will go where it easiest

Triangle

What gets me is all the folks saying it's a publicity stunt.

They should have called ryanair's bluff 200 + jobs is not worth playing games over. These are peoples lives we're talking about.

Imo, the gov. should have had the balls to bend over and just take one for the people of ireland - but of course they have too big ego's to protect to actually think of the people of ireland ahead of themselves (And i mean ALL the main political parties)

Not to mention Aer Lingus who also played politics in this 'game'. They could have easily stood back and released the hanger.

At this stage Aer Lingus is a niche player in the world aviation market and needs to realise this.

danbohan

Triangle wrote: »

What gets me is all the folks saying it's a publicity stunt.

They should have called ryanair's bluff 200 + jobs is not worth playing games over. These are peoples lives we're talking about.

Imo, the gov. should have had the balls to bend over and just take one for the people of ireland - but of course they have too big ego's to protect to actually think of the people of ireland ahead of themselves (And i mean ALL the main political parties)

Not to mention Aer Lingus who also played politics in this 'game'. They could have easily stood back and released the hanger.

At this stage Aer Lingus is a niche player in the world aviation market and needs to realise this.

this is Ireland after all ! , do you really think the gombeens are all dead or underground . anyway aer lingus and the country are on road to bankruptcy maybe both entity s need to fail for proper rebuilding to take place

gandalf

I don't get the publicity stunt accusations. Inititally it wasn't I believe it was a geniune offer by Ryanair with strings attached (but all commercial offers are like this). I think the Government took a approach towards Ryanair that was defensive and closed and we have now paid the price with the loss of 200 highly skilled jobs.

It is a publicity stunt now, thanks to the inability of Calamity Jane to do her job a prospect of the skilled jobs, the type of jobs that government spin doctors churn out that they will be creating on a regular basis is lost.

ParkRunner

Would it not put even more Aer Lingus jobs at risk if Coughlan took a hardline with them and forced them to give up hangar 6 against their will? I reckon O'Leary wanted Aer Lingus more than he wanted hangar 6

hiorta

O'Leary has it right,
Would you spend €25m in a country that is going down self-created tubes?

johnnyskeleton

ei.sdraob wrote: »

queue "but the governments are a GOOD thing, and we need more and larger governance" apologist statists in 3,2,1...

But equally the libertarians would say "it's not the government's job to promote competition, that's the market's job". And they'd be right.

DidierMc

Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs.

91011

How many jobs has o'leary & ryanair announced would be created in ireland over the past 7 years? - a quick trawl through google gave a total of over 3000. Shannon, kerry, cork, dublin etc etc.

Actual number of people employed in Ireland by ryanair is nearer 600.

So maybe the OP needs to ask ryanair where have all the jobs that they announced gone to????

O'leary style of aggressive publicity belongs to the tiger years - people are finally realising the amount of bs that he spouts.

He still has to be admired for the business, but he does not give a damn about staff.

Japer

DidierMc wrote: »

Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs.

with an attitude like that no wonder the country is in the mess its in. O'Leary is the main man behind Ryanair, the worlds largest airline, and the most positive business success story to come out of Ireland since the country got independence. After Guinness, its the only well known Irish brand name internationally. He has created thousands of jobs, and unlike CIE and Aer Lingus etc pays money to the govt, instead of getting billions from them over the decades. He reduced the fares between here and our neighbouring island big time - I remember paying hundreds of pounds, a lot of money then, to fly with Aer Lingus to England in the early eighties etc. The germans do not think "Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs" as you do. Shame on you. We can do with all the jobs we can get in this country, esp. skilled jobs which will bring revenue in to the country.
The unions and the govt between them, in their cozy cartel, have the country ruined. Spending 50 billion + taking in 30 billion, and too lazy to work in the real world.

RoadKillTs

Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs.

What a statement!

dan_d

Also in Germany this week, Ryanair were taken to court and lost over their credit card charges online. Lawyers for the state argued that they were not operating fairly as they did not offer customers to book by paying cash, therefore customers did not have a choice and had to pay the credit card handling fees. Ryanairs lawyers argued that they were simply passing on the charge. The judge ruled against them because they were throwing all the onus back on the consumer unfairly.
I have to say I found that story a bit more interesting. I think the general level of tolerance for Michael O'Leary's behaviour overall is rapidly deteriorating.

Cookie_Monster

DidierMc wrote: »

Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs.

How?

I'd love to hear a properly thought out reasoned answer for that statement.

Somehow I doubt I will get it though.

The_Thing

O'Leary is an arrogant profiteer who thinks that EU legislation shouldn't apply to him. It was great to see him having to back-pedal over RyanAir's attempted refusal of paying compensation to stranded travellers.

Why should Aer-Lingus be expected to give up it's hangar just because O'Leary wanted it? If it had been the other way around do you think that he would have done so?

If he really believed that these "Highly Skilled Jobs" were so important to the Irish economy he would have accepted the Government's offer of another hangar. But no, it had to be hangar 6 or he'd throw a hissy fit.

So far it hasn't been a good year for him

slimjimmc

Japer wrote: »

with an attitude like that no wonder the country is in the mess its in. O'Leary is the main man behind Ryanair, the worlds largest airline, and the most positive business success story to come out of Ireland since the country got independence. After Guinness, its the only well known Irish brand name internationally. He has created thousands of jobs, and unlike CIE and Aer Lingus etc pays money to the govt, instead of getting billions from them over the decades. He reduced the fares between here and our neighbouring island big time - I remember paying hundreds of pounds, a lot of money then, to fly with Aer Lingus to England in the early eighties etc. The germans do not think "Better to have no jobs than O'Leary jobs" as you do. Shame on you. We can do with all the jobs we can get in this country, esp. skilled jobs which will bring revenue in to the country.
The unions and the govt between them, in their cozy cartel, have the country ruined. Spending 50 billion + taking in 30 billion, and too lazy to work in the real world.

Ryanair claim to be the world's largest airline but in fact they are only the largest in one single category i.e. the airline with the most international passengers, which isn't too suprising considering the large number of countries packed into the world's 2nd smallest continent. The recent merger of Continental and United Airways would make them the largest in just about every other category.

bladeruner

Triangle wrote: »

What gets me is all the folks saying it's a publicity stunt.

They should have called ryanair's bluff 200 + jobs is not worth playing games over. These are peoples lives we're talking about.

Imo, the gov. should have had the balls to bend over and just take one for the people of ireland - but of course they have too big ego's to protect to actually think of the people of ireland ahead of themselves (And i mean ALL the main political parties)

Triangle, Aviation in general is a small specialised community , in as small a country as Ireland , its so small , that just like family , everyone knows everyone elses business.
Ryanair were NEVER going to put those jobs in Ireland.
O Leary knew it , Aer Lingus knew it and the goverment (after years of abuse and false promises ) knew it.

He wanted the hanger to build a low cost terminal, simples !
There is a patten now obvious regarding the Ryanair model.
if they want (A) more money from an airport or (B) lower bills,
They (A) threaten to leave the airport or (B) refuse to pay bills until taken to court.
It may sound partly like simple market principles , but borders on illegality alot of the time and do you really want an economy founded on these behaviour traits ?
Havnt you had enough of the corruption of the last few years?


O learys journalist promoted public image as Irelands version of Jeremy Clarkson ,( ie Mr straight shooter plain speaker ) is known to all and sundry in the aviation industry as merely a facade.

Triangle wrote: »

Not to mention Aer Lingus who also played politics in this 'game'. They could have easily stood back and released the hanger.

Aer Lingus are busy fixing their own aircraft in that hanger and Im sure would take exception to your post .
If Aer Lingus fancied the Ryanair head office building for a new catering operation , do you think O leary would have "Bent over " ?

Triangle wrote: »

At this stage Aer Lingus is a niche player in the world aviation market and needs to realise this.

Whats wrong with being a niche player ? as long as you do it well.
Ryanair was a niche player before low cost air travel became a world wide standard. They did it well and have prospered as a result.

91011

Japer wrote: »

O'Leary is the main man behind Ryanair, the worlds largest airline. He has created thousands of jobs

1. Ryanair is NOT the world's largest airline
2. O'leary has made press release that give the IMPRESSION that he has created thousands of jobs here - currently Ryanair have a staff of about 600 people in Ireland - NOT thousands.

Peanut

His apparent concern for the wellbeing of Ireland is getting a bit much at this stage.

It's also rather interesting that it tends to surface when he's not getting his way.

oppenheimer1

ei.sdraob wrote: »

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ireland-loses-ryanair-hangar-and-up-to-200-jobs-to-germany-and-frankfurt-hahn-airport




Im surprised how little coverage this received in the state media

If one of the only few large Irish companies has to move countries

what hope is there for anyone starting out?

queue "but the governments are a GOOD thing, and we need more and larger governance" apologist statists in 3,2,1...

It received its deservedly little coverage because we all know those jobs were never going to be located in Ireland. O'Leary saw an opportunity to try and embarrass the government and took it.

Cookie_Monster

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It received its deservedly little coverage because we all know those jobs were never going to be located in Ireland. O'Leary saw an opportunity to try and embarrass the government and took it.

That and the fact that these job weren't lost*, only not created

* - by Ryanair, the fact they were lost previously is not relevant as its been covered already

ei.sdraob

@Cookie_Monster heres a concept that our politicians should learn

Opportunity cost


all the billions wasted on banks, ps, welfare and quangos is a lost opportunity to build an infrastructure, cut taxes and provide better services which might encourage job creation

Cookie_Monster

ei.sdraob wrote: »

@Cookie_Monster heres a concept that our politicians should learn

Opportunity cost


all the billions wasted on banks, ps, welfare and quangos is a lost opportunity to build an infrastructure, cut taxes and provide better services which might encourage job creation

but then we'd have no banks and no money as no-one would get any of it back from the banks

ei.sdraob

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but then we'd have no banks and no money as no-one would get any of it back from the banks

we still haven't been shown any evidence that Anglo would have brought down the banking system

nothing

all the figures provided are only so large because the government decided to guarantee everything including bondholders...
and the banking bailouts are nothing compared to the year on year deficit due to public costs and welfare, where they haven't even scratched the surface yet


every billion we spend on the above is a billion that we dont have and have to borrow and pay back + interest

that's a lost opportunity right there

DidierMc

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

How?

I'd love to hear a properly thought out reasoned answer for that statement.

Somehow I doubt I will get it though.

O'Leary jobs only intensify the race to the bottom and force competitors into cutting wages and conditions for their workers.

danbohan

DidierMc wrote: »

O'Leary jobs only intensify the race to the bottom and force competitors into cutting wages and conditions for their workers.

the ''race to the bottom '' is actually the race to reality , in one or two years time most people in private sector will be earning what is now the minimum wage , many will be earning much much less , and nothing the lefties will be able to do about it

DidierMc

danbohan wrote: »

the ''race to the bottom '' is actually the race to reality , in one or two years time most people in private sector will be earning what is now the minimum wage , many will be earning much much less , and nothing the lefties will be able to do about it

The race to reality? The race to slavery more like.

saywhatyousee

id say michael o leary is raging it was'nt on the front page of the newspapers at least now he cant spew his hate filled comments at just about everything in general,if only we could base him in frankfurt:D

ei.sdraob

DidierMc wrote: »

The race to reality? The race to slavery more like.

keep borrowing 20 billion a year to find out what slavery feels like :rolleyes:

DidierMc

ei.sdraob wrote: »

keep borrowing 20 billion a year to find out what slavery feels like :rolleyes:

Swap ryanair for walmart and this is a pretty accurate reflection of what's happening

danbohan

ei.sdraob wrote: »

keep borrowing 20 billion a year to find out what slavery feels like :rolleyes:dider mac?

Cookie_Monster

DidierMc wrote: »

O'Leary jobs only intensify the race to the bottom and force competitors into cutting wages and conditions for their workers.

how do you make that out?
he is not forcing anyone to lower their wages. Economic reality forced that.
If Ryanair's terms and conditions and work enviroment are so bad then why do they have 1000's of people here and abroad happily working for them?

bladeruner

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

how do you make that out?
he is not forcing anyone to lower their wages. Economic reality forced that.
If Ryanair's terms and conditions and work enviroment are so bad then why do they have 1000's of people here and abroad happily working for them?

happily ?

Do you see anyone working happily for Michael O leary ? *






* with the obvious exception of his by now incredibly rich legal team .

Head The Wall

dan_d wrote: »

Also in Germany this week, Ryanair were taken to court and lost over their credit card charges online. Lawyers for the state argued that they were not operating fairly as they did not offer customers to book by paying cash, therefore customers did not have a choice and had to pay the credit card handling fees.

Does this mean we can take ticketmaster, E-bay, hotels, online shops to court so. It's a joke of a decision if you ask me.

DidierMc wrote: »

O'Leary jobs only intensify the race to the bottom and force competitors into cutting wages and conditions for their workers.

Aer lingus cabin crew felt the same thing until reality reared it's ugly head in the shape of a P45. The conditions couldn't have been that bad or they would have rejected them a second time. Or am I missing something

ei.sdraob

bladeruner wrote: »

happily ?

Do you see anyone working happily for Michael O leary ? *






* with the obvious exception of his by now incredibly rich legal team .

is someone FORCING Ryanair employees to come to work everyday?

is someone PREVENTING them from quitting?

is someone NOT PAYING them for their work?


seriously now some ridiculous posts from several neocommies onboard

bladeruner

ei.sdraob wrote: »

is someone FORCING Ryanair employees to come to work everyday?

is someone PREVENTING them from quitting?

is someone NOT PAYING them for their work?


seriously now some ridiculous posts from several neocommies onboard

Hope you are not including me in that group.

What was wrong with what I said ?

From what I hear most Apple employees hate working for Steve Jobs.
So how do you think most Ryanair employees feel about working for a sociopathic attention seeking bully ?

How many people actually like their jobs in any industry ?
How easy do you think it is for aviation professionals to change jobs willy nilly ?

Get down off your high horse with your "Is some one not paying them " bull****.

ei.sdraob

bladeruner wrote: »

Hope you are not including me in that group.

What was wrong with what I said ?

From what I hear most Apple employees hate working for Steve Jobs.
So how do you think most Ryanair employees feel about working for a sociopathic attention seeking bully ?

How many people actually like their jobs in any industry ?
How easy do you think it is for aviation professionals to change jobs willy nilly ?

Get down off your high horse with your "Is some one not paying them " bull****.

if you are not happy with a job, no one is forcing you to work

bladeruner

Lets live in the real world shall we ?

Circumstances conspire to keep many people in jobs that they would rather move from .

Maybe you bought a house somewhere , or got married and your other half has a job , or had kids and they go to school ..blah blah blah
Theres a million reasons why people stay where they do .


Now compound that in aviation in Ireland where you have 4 airlines .
Ryanair , Aer Arann, Cityjet and Aer Lingus.

Ryanair operates Boeing aircraft.
Aer Arann operates ATR aircraft.
Cityjet operates using RJ aircraft .
Aer Lingus operates using Airbus aircraft.

If you are trained on that aircraft of your current airline , how are you going to jump to another ? and if you decide to quit , where else in this country are you going to find work ? particularly at the moment ?

So you maybe right , No one is forcing you to work but whats the alternative ?
Let your kids go hungry ?

Answers on a postcard please .

Head The Wall

Here's my postcard


The reason you end up having to stay in a certain job is because of the choices that you make. If you end up in a job you despise after all this it just goes to show that you made some bad choices.

There is no reason to stay in a job that you don't like.

Zamboni

Ffs who gives a toss about Michael O'Leary's ulterior motives.
He is a ruthless business man and doesn't give a fiddlers about
a) creating jobs
b) investing in Ireland
c) the Government
d) his employees

And rightly so. He is a business man.
But if what he does results in the creation of jobs in this country we should have given him the damned hangar.
Christ we're a stupid moronic race on this island.

91011

Zamboni wrote: »

But if what he does results in the creation of jobs in this country we should have given him the damned hangar.
Christ we're a stupid moronic race on this island.

And if you did give him the hangar what would you do the the aer lingus employees working there?

Do we tear up legal lease contracts between DAA & Aer lingus?

Also, why didn't O'leary bid for the hangar when it was available last year? - He gambled that no-one else would want it and hoped he'd get it for next to nothing.

He lost & like any bad loser, wants to lay the blame for his error with someone else.

dan_d

O'Leary is a good business man fair enough, but the way he does business is appalling.

I'm fairly sure most people working for Ryanair are still there because they have to be. There are no other jobs for them right now. There are no unions in Ryanair - O'Leary won't deal with them.

O'Leary didn't bid for that hangar last year, because he didn't need it. He does not do aircraft maintenance. He simply replaces the aircraft before they require servicing, which apparently works out cheaper than maintaining an aircraft (I don't get it either!). However since the industry has crashed and burned a bit, he no longer needs/has the money to keep buying new planes. So he had to look into maintenance. Hence...the desire for that hangar.It's set up for maintenance. There was, however nothing stopping him from going into the other 2 hangars that were empty in the airport. Other than the fact that he "didn't want to".

The bottom line is that he came in too late, threw all his toys out of the pram when he didn't get his own way, and is now thumbing his nose at everyone who was ever involved in the whole thing. He should never have brought it to public attention - that was only done in an effort to buy public support from a public he knows hates the current Gov.That backfired on him, because a lot of people hate him almost as much. He behaved very badly throughout - "I'm not talking to the DAA, somebody else can do it for me" (can you just imagine anyone else in business doing that - "I don't like you, so I'm not talking to you"...).And everyone made a lot of assumptions regarding those jobs......he gave no guarantees about anything, and there was nothing stopping him pulling out of there again after a year. Coupled with the fact that Ryanair have now brought their prices as low as they can go...the only way left is up, which they are doing by adding on charges all over the place....he's not exactly coming out of this smelling of roses either.

There was a legally binding contract in place, which couldn't be broken just becuase O'Leary threw a tantrum. Jobs or no jobs. That simply would not happen in other industry.

Cookie_Monster

dan_d wrote: »

O'Leary is a good business man fair enough, but the way he does business is appalling.

He pays his people well, offer customers cheap, straightforward travel and a huge number of routes. Ryanair pay their taxes. How is that any worse than the banks or anyone else...

O'Leary didn't bid for that hangar last year, because he didn't need it. He does not do aircraft maintenance. He simply replaces the aircraft before they require servicing, which apparently works out cheaper than maintaining an aircraft (I don't get it either!).

That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Why would he spend €50m+ plus on a plane and get rid of it with 6 months? Of course Ryaniar do maintenance of their planes, they wouldn't be in business if they didn't

ei.sdraob

Apparently some are claiming the jobs he is offering are "not good enough" , where is the evidence that Ryanair employees are "not happy", and since when is employment about "happiness" and not earning money to put bread on table? seriously some peoples view on things has gotten so warped, no wonder companies are leaving the country

we all need highly payed unionised jobs with loads of perks, short working hours and plenty of bonuses not based on performance

oh why does that sound familiar :rolleyes:

Jumpy

Japer wrote: »

After Guinness, its the only well known Irish brand name internationally.

What about Waterford Crys... ohhh right.

bladeruner

Head The Wall wrote: »

Here's my postcard


The reason you end up having to stay in a certain job is because of the choices that you make. If you end up in a job you despise after all this it just goes to show that you made some bad choices.

There is no reason to stay in a job that you don't like.

Im genuinely glad to see that Idealism is not dead in this country.
or is it naivety ?

If one is a highly trained professional and have no where else to go in this country to maintain employment and one has the odd bill to pay such as a mortgage , tell me again how they have no reason to stay in the job.

Your logic is fine if you are an undereducated stoner that can flit from one call centre to another . It dosnt work further up the chain though.