If There Was A Referendum on Abortion Tomorrow, How Would You Vote?

starbelgrade

As the thread title says... Poll to follow shortly.

squod

With a pencil.

El Weirdo

squod wrote: »

With a pencil.

Beat me to it.

ocokev

Fianna fail

Feeky Magee

Sexily.

Fago!

Facekicker. 100% Facekicker!

Nevyn

For those spineless fúcks in the Dáil and law commision to get up thier holes and put in placed the legistation and policies needed to put in place what the people and the courts decided after the last referendum and the high court cases on this issue.

IvySlayer

Pro choice.

Hank_Jones

Never heard the term Anti-Choice before.

It's Pro-Life.

stovelid

I vacillate between not being sure and not agreeing with abortion, but am pro-choice.

segaBOY

Poll options should just read

"Would you be in favour of legalising abortion?

Yes or No"

I think pro-choice is a very leading term to use.

starbelgrade

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Never heard the term Anti-Choice before.

It's Pro-Life.

Well, if you are to presume that anyone who is pro-choice on abortion, then the logical opposite is anti-choice, otherwise anybody who is not pro-life, is pro-death, which is just a daft concept.

Nevyn

You poll is seriously flawed, even I don't believe in free for all at any stage abortion.

bronte

Pro-choice

The Aussie

Thaedydal wrote: »

For those spineless fúcks in the Dáil and law commision to get up thier holes and put in placed the legistation and policies needed to put in place what the people and the courts decided after the last referendum and the high court cases on this issue.

Just out of interest, what did irish people vote for in the referendum, was not in the country sorry.

segaBOY

starbelgrade wrote: »

otherwise anybody who is not pro-life, is pro-death, which is just a daft concept.

Could argue that one either way Stabelgrade, change the poll options, they are leaning towards the legalising spin terminology which is unfair imo.

starbelgrade

Thaedydal wrote: »

You poll is seriously flawed, even I don't believe in free for all at any stage abortion.

Well, there's not a lot I can do about it now!

starbelgrade

segaBOY wrote: »

Could argue that one either way Stabelgrade, change the poll options, they are leaning towards the legalising spin terminology which is unfair imo.

Not sure how to do that. Does it really matter? I think people will get the jist of it.

segaBOY

starbelgrade wrote: »

Not sure how to do that. Does it really matter? I think people will get the jist of it.

Well count my vote out anyway for two reasons.

A) I don't agree with the phrasiology

and more importantly

Where the hell the the Atari Jaguar option??!! :P

The Aussie

starbelgrade wrote: »

Not sure how to do that. Does it really matter? I think people will get the jist of it.

I understood it, its like picking up spelling mistakes on posts, who gives a flying fu@k IMO...

Dudess

Pro choice.

AckwelFoley

I used to think abortion was bad.

Then i got a littlew older and began to understand what Sinn Fein were.

Now i think people should have a choice, and then others should have that decision made for them

Coriolanus

I'd vote Pro-Choice but only in lieu of mandatory sterilisation and sequestring of sperm/eggs for qualified parental candidates.

squod

Can we set a time frame? Is it only a foetus less than 28 weeks or can we include 50 year old fat men with friends in the banking sector?

Nevyn

Nevore wrote: »

I'd vote Pro-Choice but only in lieu of mandatory sterilisation and sequestring of sperm/eggs for qualified parental candidates.

Nah thats messy, I already have a plan, mandatory contraceptive in the water for everyone and the cure will cost 500 quid and will be dispensed when you've done a parenting class.

Coriolanus

Thaedydal wrote: »

Nah thats messy, I already have a plan, mandatory contraceptive in the water for everyone and the cure will cost 500 quid and will be dispensed when you've done a parenting class.

:eek: That's perfect!

segaBOY

Thaedydal wrote: »

Nah thats messy, I already have a plan, mandatory contraceptive in the water for everyone and the cure will cost 500 quid and will be dispensed when you've done a parenting class.

Hi Thaedydal, China called, they want you back. :P

AckwelFoley

Thaedydal wrote: »

Nah thats messy, I already have a plan, mandatory contraceptive in the water for everyone and the cure will cost 500 quid and will be dispensed when you've done a parenting class.

Epic fail.

Why?


Culchies drink well water.. you cant really tamper with that.

You'd be over run with much savages taking over dublin..

eh, oh wait....

I wouldn't vote. Cos I'm KOOL

Coriolanus

snyper wrote: »

Epic fail.

Why?


Culchies drink well water.. you cant really tamper with that.

You'd be over run with much savages taking over dublin..

eh, oh wait....

Well, contraceptives in the USA biscuit tins then. :P

segaBOY

snyper wrote: »

Epic fail.

Why?


Culchies drink well water.. you cant really tamper with that.

You'd be over run with much savages taking over dublin..

eh, oh wait....

STFU snyper, I've finally perfected the accent, clothes, plonkerisms and past times. Don't alert them to the fact we are taking over the place!!

Stinicker

I am prolife but would vote pro choice quite simply because abortion is a sensitive matter and not something the state should interfere in. It is a womans body and something that she would have to think long and hard about.

I don't think anyone takes abortion lightly and it is something the state should not interfere in what happens in the bedroom or the consequences thus of. Our ruling on abortion is not so much a government issue also as it is a hangover from days of our Catholic dictatorship oppression which saw even contraception and homosexuality banned.

I beleive firmly in the rights of the mother but think that abortion after 10 or 12 weeks should not be allowed. There should be proper councilling available to the misfortunate women in this sitatuion and aftercare facilities available.

Nevyn

snyper wrote: »

Epic fail.

Why?


Culchies drink well water.. you cant really tamper with that.

You'd be over run with much savages taking over dublin..

eh, oh wait....

Pff just put it in the beer and the TK lemonade

McChubbin

Relevent

Hank_Jones

starbelgrade wrote: »

Well, if you are to presume that anyone who is pro-choice on abortion, then the logical opposite is anti-choice, otherwise anybody who is not pro-life, is pro-death, which is just a daft concept.

I can see your logic.

I was just saying that the proper term is Pro-Life.

Which it is.

starbelgrade

Hank_Jones wrote: »

I can see your logic.

I was just saying that the proper term is Pro-Life.

Which it is.

Depends what you mean by proper. If you mean that they hijacked a phrase to gain a moral high ground which gained popularity & is commonly used by most people, then maybe, yes.

By my definition of proper, then no.

celtic Liger

even though the poll is overwhelmingly pro choice, i can only imagine anti abortion groups would have all the mini buses outside the old folks homes, more the willing to take them to their voting stations, on the day.

papajimsmooth

The same way i did for Lisbon, until i got it right.

Hank_Jones

starbelgrade wrote: »

Depends what you mean by proper. If you mean that they hijacked a phrase to gain a moral high ground which gained popularity & is commonly used by most people, then maybe, yes.

By my definition of proper, then no.

Agree to disagree by the looks of things.

segaBOY

starbelgrade wrote: »

Depends what you mean by proper. If you mean that they hijacked a phrase to gain a moral high ground which gained popularity & is commonly used by most people, then maybe, yes.

By my definition of proper, then no.

If you mean the hijacked phrase that is "Pro-choice" as meaning supporting legalisation of abortion (that procedure where the foetus of an unborn child is terminated) that is used to make allowing abortion sound more acceptable, then maybe yes.

I don't want to give my opinion on this matter because this thread is soooo flawed. No offence Stabelgrade you seem like a great guy/poster but come off it, if you want an unbiased poll result you gotta stop using this propaganda terminology used by groups that support legalisation.

celtic Liger wrote: »

even though the poll is overwhelmingly pro choice, i can only imagine anti abortion groups would have all the mini buses outside the old folks homes, more the willing to take them to their voting stations, on the day.

boards.ie, and particularly AH, represents a small sunsection of the population. Post this same thread in the Politics forum and see what the answers would be like. You cannot make assumptions based on answers here alone.

The_Minister

I'll be honest, I've always gone back and forth (I can't spell vacillated ) on the question of abortion.

On the one hand, I believe in free choice, and it is wrong to force a woman to go through with a pregnancy, not on economic grounds (there was a US study recently that showed that outcomes for single mothers were not significantly lower than those who weren't, accounting for economic status), but rather on her right to bodily integrity (I am aware of the cheekiness of justifying abortion on the grounds of a right which originated in a Catholic Encyclical:p).

On the other hand, abortion makes me queasy in a way which drug-taking, prostitution, sado-masochism or any other liberal-conservative issue do not. The feeling is strongest when I think of late term abortions (I cannot accept that a nine-month old isn't a baby just because it is separated from the world by a thin layer of blood and flesh), but even on early term abortions, I get the creeps.
I am an athiest, but something in me says that something gains value just from being human, without any need for thought or consciousness to back it up - otherwise there can be no real objection to killing the severely mentally disabled, if they are so mentally damaged as to be practically insentient.

It's one of those things where, if the vote came up, I'd probably vote for it, but would detest the practice of it, and support any measures to reduce its incidence.

Postscript: Isn't it funny how writing down your thoughts can help solidify them, and bring you to realisations that you would otherwise never have reached?
I don't think I would date a girl who had had an abortion, and I don't think I could forgive a girl who aborted my child without telling me.
I never realised how much I dislike abortion until wrote this post.

starbelgrade

segaBOY wrote: »

If you mean the hijacked phrase that is "Pro-choice" as meaning supporting legalisation of abortion (that procedure where the foetus of an unborn child is terminated) that is used to make allowing abortion sound more acceptable, then maybe yes.

I don't want to give my opinion on this matter because this thread is soooo flawed. No offence Stabelgrade you seem like a great guy/poster but come off it, if you want an unbiased poll result you gotta stop using this propaganda terminology used by groups that support legalisation.

Point well made & accepted. If I were to re-do the thread, I would take this on board & rephrase the terminology used. As it stands, I don't think I can edit it, unfortunately.

starbelgrade

The_Minister wrote: »

Postscript: Isn't it funny how writing down your thoughts can help solidify them, and bring you to realisations that you would otherwise never have reached?
I don't think I would date a girl who had had an abortion, and I don't think I could forgive a girl who aborted my child without telling me.
I never realised how much I dislike abortion until wrote this post.

A very honest post indeed. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of abortion myself - I don't think anyone is really, but I do believe that in some circumstances, it can be a last resort that should be made available to those who feel it is necessary.

Can I ask you though - how do you feel about the morning after pill? If human life begins at conception, surely that's pretty much the same deal? And would you date a girl who took it or support a girlfriend who decided to take it after unprotected sex (or say, with a broken condom) with you?

Kasabian

I haven't read the whole thread , cos I am tired.

I would always have concidered myself to be pro choice but lately I have been reveiwing my stance on this .

The thought that comes to mind is that abortion is becoming in my mind another form of contraception. Its another get out route for those too dumb to protect themselves against STD's in the first place let alone thinking about protecting against unwanted pregnancy.

The more I think about Abortion the less I think I am Pro-Choice.

segaBOY

starbelgrade wrote: »

Point well made & accepted. If I were to re-do the thread, I would take this on board & rephrase the terminology used. As it stands, I don't think I can edit it, unfortunately.

Ah I'm being a bit harsh (and anal) tbh. I know what you mean and accept you're trying your best to facilitate everyone (and create what is an interesting thread btw) so sorry for being an ass.

It's just a thorn I've had in my side about other issues, how people are manipulated by how the facts are presented (by both sides in many cases) when asked to vote.

CorsetIsTight

Thaedydal wrote: »

You poll is seriously flawed, even I don't believe in free for all at any stage abortion.

Why not...? If it is genuinely a woman's right to choose, then why should there be a time limit on that choice...?

The_Minister

starbelgrade wrote: »

Can I ask you though - how do you feel about the morning after pill? If human life begins at conception, surely that's pretty much the same deal? And would you date a girl who took it or support a girlfriend who decided to take it after unprotected sex (or say, with a broken condom) with you?

As I said, I ain't really religious, so the whole life begins at conception thing isn't a big deal for me.
The Catholic Church used to draw the line for when you allowed an abortion until the Quickening (capital in honour of Highlander), and I would broadly agree with that.
I wouldn't be that comfortable with even early abortions, but the pill normally kills before or just after implantation, and I can live with that.

segaBOY

starbelgrade wrote: »

Can I ask you though - how do you feel about the morning after pill? If human life begins at conception, surely that's pretty much the same deal? And would you date a girl who took it or support a girlfriend who decided to take it after unprotected sex (or say, with a broken condom) with you?

There is a bit of debate over this. It is generally accepted that the morning after pill prevents implatation of the embryo in the uterus.

Others think the high level of progesterone may prevent ovulation in the first place.

Either way a foetus has not been able to grow at that stage so it is a bit of a different ball game.

starbelgrade

segaBOY wrote: »

Ah I'm being a bit harsh (and anal) tbh. I know what you mean and accept you're trying your best to facilitate everyone (and create what is an interesting thread btw) so sorry for being an ass.

It's just a thorn I've had in my side about other issues, how people are manipulated by how the facts are presented (by both sides in many cases) when asked to vote.

If the vote doesn't go the way I want, I'm gonna ask people to vote again. I will call it Abortion Referendum Poll 2.

CorsetIsTight

Stinicker wrote: »

I beleive firmly in the rights of the mother but think that abortion after 10 or 12 weeks should not be allowed. There should be proper councilling available to the misfortunate women in this sitatuion and aftercare facilities available.

Why do my rights as a woman end at 12 weeks gestation...?

The_Minister

starbelgrade wrote: »

If the vote doesn't go the way I want, I'm gonna ask people to vote again. I will call it Abortion Referendum Poll 2.

First you have to commission a poll on why people voted no, and act shocked when you discover that Shinners told them you wanted to gas 12 year-olds. as well as conscript foetuses into a European army.