Right, I need some help.

Bonito

OK. Next week my Impreza is getting a major overhaul. Clutch, engine and possibly gearbox. I didn't think I'd get bored of it so quickly but I have and now I'm looking to push it on when it's sorted out.

It's going to be hard to shift though because it only has part service history and 5 fecking owners!

I was thinking of getting a celica when I move on the Impreza. I know you'll all be screaming at me to get a GT4 or a beams and so will I but I think I'll leave them for another year or two.

I've been looking at the possibility of a 1998 1.8 twin cam Celica. Anybody know how these hold up?

If anyone has any better ideas then hit me with it. I'm not limited to a big saloon car or anything, I just prefer bigger cars.

I'm not mad about civics but if I came across a nice one I'd consider it. TBH at the minute the Impreza isn't nice to drive anymore at all so I'm open to all options.

Musts:
1. Petrol
2. No cabrio's
3. No estates.
4. No skanger mobiles.
5. Older cars I'll consider but must be a sensible buy.
6. No bigger than a 1.8 and no smaller than a 1.6. If it's under a 1.6 I don't want it to be underpowered for it's size.

My budget will be roughly €3500. This is for the car. I have tax & insurance taken in to consideration.

My brain is melted so please help me!

SV

106gti, you'd get a lovely one for that money and you will definitely not get bored of it!

Bonito

Did someone here swap their teg for a 106gti a while ago?

SV

Bonito wrote: »

Did someone here swap their teg for a 106gti a while ago?

Yeah p-nut had a teg type r and switched to a 106gti, don't think he swapped though.

Bonito

I've a feeling the gti would be roughly same insurance as a beams.

Abi

I thought something like this this. Bit of poke in her, and reliability.

Bonito

Hmmm. Within budget. I've a feeling my insurance wont like the 3 letters GTI, though. :pac:

Muckie

What about a BMW's there's a few clean models going
around at a decent price.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/318is/201020198034646/advert?channel=CARS

or

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/IS-COUPE/201017197772778/advert?channel=CARS

Good rear wheel fun and you'd still have change.
Drive till your Impreza is back, then use the BMW as a track car.

Bonito

I was thinking of BMW's too but I'd want a decent example. I've a feeling a 318 would only leave a want for more, though.

Atomic Pineapple

A MK IV Gti wouldn't be much better than a 318..............there just as boring anyway!

Shane732

Bonito wrote: »

I've a feeling the gti would be roughly same insurance as a beams.

Don't forget to tell them it's a RED i.... It seems to make all the difference when people are selling them.

Volkswagen GTI

Look at all the red letters in that it must be quick! :rolleyes:

Shane732

Are you going to be trading or is going to the UK an option?

If you went to the UK you might be lucky enough to pick up an early Cooper S.

You'll have much more fun in a Cooper S than anything else that's been suggested. There amazing cars to drive and handle to well.

I use to own a JCW S (220 bhp) and it was unbelievable. Car just stuck to the road.

Even a normal Cooper would be more fun that anything else suggested.

Coming from an Impreza it's unlikely you'll be interested in going for a Mini but it'd be a serious buy.

SV

Shane732 wrote: »

Even a normal Cooper would be more fun that anything else suggested.

Please be taking the piss.

Bonito

draffodx wrote: »

A MK IV Gti wouldn't be much better than a 318..............there just as boring anyway!

OK. I think maybe a celica SR. What about an accord? Do they come in 1.8?

Shane732 wrote: »

Are you going to be trading or is going to the UK an option?

If you went to the UK you might be lucky enough to pick up an early Cooper S.

You'll have much more fun in a Cooper S than anything else that's been suggested. There amazing cars to drive and handle to well.

UK isn't an option. Is the S the supercharged 1.6?

SV wrote: »

Please be taking the piss.

I don't know anything about mini's so, are they muck?

SV

Bonito wrote: »

I don't know anything about mini's so, are they muck?

I wouldn't say they're 'muck' but to say a normal mini would be more fun than 106gti is an awful stupid statement to make.

Plus..it's a Mini :P if it's not a JCW then don't bother imo

Bonito

OK. Contendors so far are a 106gti or a Celica SR. Anymore suggestions?

Ardennes1944

punto hgt

Bonito

stevefinn wrote: »

punto hgt

Be very hard finding a good one. Most of them have been turned into skanger mobiles and ruined.

EPM

May as well stick a Saxo VTS in there with the GTI as it's the same car basically and should give you more choice. 106 looks better imo though.
What about an early Leon fr? Some of those are getting seriously cheap

Redisle

What about a fiesta zetec-s? Not as quick as the others but meant to handle brilliantly, something like this.

Very cheap to insure too (maybe not with the linked one, since it has a few engine mods)

Testament1

Toyota Levin. Great looking coupe, great handling, great fun to drive and fairly easy on petrol too. Plenty of em for sale at the moment.

Bonito

EPM wrote: »

May as well stick a Saxo VTS in there with the GTI as it's the same car basically and should give you more choice. 106 looks better imo though.
What about an early Leon fr? Some of those are getting seriously cheap

Any examples of the Leon FR?

Redisle wrote: »

What about a fiesta zetec-s? Not as quick as the others but meant to handle brilliantly, something like this. Very cheap to insure too (maybe not with the linked one, since it has a few engine mods)

Testament1 wrote: »

Toyota Levin. Great looking coupe, great handling, great fun to drive and fairly easy on petrol too. Plenty of em for sale at the moment.

OK. Contendors so far are a 106gti, Celica SR, Fiesta zetec-s. I think Levins have a loading but I'll check with my insurance company tomorrow. I quite like that Fiesta TBH. +1 only 45k on the clock. -1 it's in Cork and I'm in Dublin. :pac:

cullen5998

Mitsubishi FTO GR

Great looks:D

Bonito

cullen5998 wrote: »

Mitsubishi FTO GR

Great looks:D

True but, I'd pick a beams over an FTO and beams are off the menu. 1.8 max.

cullen5998

Bonito wrote: »

True but, I'd pick a beams over an FTO and beams are off the menu. 1.8 max.

Sorry i meant the GS, thats the 1.8 Model. Take a look at the FTO Ireland owners club too. So easy for parts and advice.

Bonito

Definitely putting that on the list!

Bonito

Right on the list so far is the following.

Celica SR
Fiesta zetec-s
Civic type s

Anymore for me?

Midnight_EG

Why not a Type R?


You'll get bored with a Type S, VTEC kicks in ever so softly and it's just boring!

Bonito

If you can find one cheap enough that'll sub the extra in my premium against the type-s or the celica I'll think about it.

Atomic Pineapple

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Why not a Type R?


You'll get bored with a Type S, VTEC kicks in ever so softly and it's just boring!

As well as insurance the type r is a 2 litre so is over the 1.8 limit the OP has set.

As a compromise the Type S are pretty nice cars

Midnight_EG

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1230671



A little bit over budget, but I looked at the price of that Type S also.

SV

draffodx wrote: »

As well as insurance the type r is a 2 litre so is over the 1.8 limit the OP has set.

As a compromise the Type S are pretty nice cars

not the ek9?
don't think he'll get one within budget though.




http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1082635
there's a cheap gti that's been up for ages, was originally up for over 3500 a couple of months ago I think

save yourself a ton and have more fun than you can imagine

Bonito

Hmmm. OK maybe it is possible. TBH the last thing I want is to get bored of the car I buy. The cars I gave in the post above are just examples. I most likely wouldn't go for those exact cars.

Bonito

Seller says all it needs is a calliper and it'll pass the NCT.

SV

if you get bored of the 106gti I'll buy it off you.

Midnight_EG

Bonito wrote: »

Seller says all it needs is a calliper and it'll pass the NCT.

Which motor?

Bonito

SV wrote: »

if you get bored of the 106gti I'll buy it off you.

Why not just buy one yourself? Did you not have one then move on to the Sport Clio? What have you got now? Or is that your guarantee I wont get bored?

@EG - The GTi.

Atomic Pineapple

SV wrote: »

not the ek9?
don't think he'll get one within budget though.

Yeh the ek9 is 1.6 but would be heavily loaded on insurance.

be worth it if you could afford it though bonito.

Sir/Vti is another option

Midnight_EG

draffodx wrote: »

Sir/Vti is another option

Every VTi I've driven has felt painfully slow compared to an SiR!

SV

Bonito wrote: »

Why not just buy one yourself? Did you not have one then move on to the Sport Clio? What have you got now? Or is that your guarantee I wont get bored?

I did have one alright, it's just my guarantee you won't get bored is all.
besides I think I'm going sensible and they're a nice cheap little car..might buy one anyway.

Bonito

OK gimme a sec. I really need someone good with figures to work out exactly what I can afford. I'd only get a rough idea and probably wouldn't include everything! I want something I can comfortably afford and not have to struggle to keep it on the road.

Midnight_EG

Bonito wrote: »

OK gimme a sec. I really need someone good with figures to work out exactly what I can afford. I'd only get a rough idea and probably wouldn't include everything! I want something I can comfortably afford and not have to struggle to keep it on the road.

With a Honda, all you'll need to worry about is your fluids

no1beemerfan

I'd recommend a 1999 onwards celica VVTLi (190 bhp) and 1.8l.

My sister has one and its a brilliant car for a fwd!

Atomic Pineapple

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Every VTi I've driven has felt painfully slow compared to an SiR!

All in your mind! Or the Vti hasn't been well maintained/modded

10bhp difference is nothing on a public road, for the loading on insurance for the Sir import you would have to ask is it worth it.

Bonito wrote: »

OK gimme a sec. I really need someone good with figures to work out exactly what I can afford. I'd only get a rough idea and probably wouldn't include everything! I want something I can comfortably afford and not have to struggle to keep it on the road.

Fill this out:

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Average monthly money for maintenance:

Midnight_EG

draffodx wrote: »

All in your mind! Or the Vti hasn't been well maintained/modded

10bhp difference is nothing on a public road, for the loading on insurance for the Sir import you would have to ask is it worth it.



Fill this out:

Money to spend on car:
Money to spend on insurance:
Money to spend on tax:
Average monthly money for maintenance:

Of both VTi's I've driven, one was stock and one had a fair bit done, they both bored me :P

Bonito

OK to work with I have whatever I get for the Impreza. Waiting on a cheque from social of back dated dole from when I was unemployed. That's 1,100. Then a week I'll be earning about 320 - 350 not including Sunday shifts/Bank holiday shifts and over time. ( I get €11.62 on Sundays and for over time and bank holidays I get €17.41 )

I live at home so my rent is only 50 a week to the mother! :pac: So taking in to account. From the way I take care of my cars. I'll want one major service a year and one interval oil & filters change half way through the year. This costs €180 for my service plus, I think, €60-€70 for an oil & filter change.

Then tax. That'll be whatever car I buy so between €450-€600 a year?

My insurance at the minute is €245.06 a month and for petrol, I do about 280 - 320 km a week. So throw that in with the MPG of whatever car I buy. Too many numbers for me to handle. :pac:

Midnight_EG

Bonito wrote: »

OK to work with I have whatever I get for the Impreza. Waiting on a cheque from social of back dated dole from when I was unemployed. That's 1,100. Then a week I'll be earning about 320 - 350 not including Sunday shifts/Bank holiday shifts and over time. ( I get €11.62 on Sundays and for over time and bank holidays I get €17.41 )

I live at home so my rent is only 50 a week to the mother! :pac: So taking in to account. From the way I take care of my cars. I'll want one major service a year and one interval oil & filters change half way through the year. This costs €180 for my service plus, I think, €60-€70 for an oil & filter change.

Then tax. That'll be whatever car I buy so between €450-€600 a year?

My insurance at the minute is €245.06 a month and for petrol, I do about 280 - 320 km a week. So throw that in with the MPG of whatever car I buy. Too many numbers for me to handle. :pac:

I'll go on to a Type R Civic/Integra for you:

Assuming you pick it up for €4000, it'll most likely have tax already, if not it's €471/€551 for a years worth. You'll want to be changing the oil twice yearly, as VTEC models need it this much, so do it yourself and factor in €45X2 or so for oil, depending on brand. Other servicing costs will only be your filters and windscreen wipers :pac: that, again, you can do yourself, which will be say €50. Petrol is alright during the week once you don't drive it too hard, so give €70 or so to that. 70(52) = €3600 a year on petrol, provided you top up each week. You should easily get 350km a week out of it, and I doubt it'd cost more than your Impreza!





Maybe.

Bonito

It's very tempting! I'd like a good aul vtec TBH. Seen a nice teg coming from the local Apple and back on to the M1 the other day. Going nicely and then the minute he hit the off ramp he floored it and you could hear her pickin' up and then roaring when the vtec kicked in.

The Impreza is shoite on petrol. TBH I'd say anything will be better. Last full tank I only got 220 miles out of it. This full tank I'm near the half way on the needle and haven't even reached the 100 mark. :rolleyes:

Midnight_EG

With the one time buy off of ~€4000, I reckon 5k a year spent on the Civic/Integra including petrol and oils, you'll be a happy man

Bonito

Well that's the only thing then isn't it. The teg or the civic.

Midnight_EG

Bonito wrote: »

Well that's the only thing then isn't it. The teg or the civic.

I'd be leaning for the Teg, the torque in the B16 engine from the Civic will leave you wanting more, and B18 in the Teg will give you that bit more :P