4 years for beating a baby to death

Poly

What sort of a fcuked up justice system do we have?
This scumbag should have got life.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0519/paczkowska.html

Leftyflip

Maybe she'll get justice in prison, if not, bear patrol, definitely the bear patrol.

Keano

Judge Carroll Moran said the severity of the attack could not be understated and it resulted in the completely unnecessary loss of the child's life.

And gets 4 years. Oh this county of ours is so nice.

WindSock

Poly wrote: »

What sort of a fcuked up justice system do we have?
This scumbag should have got life.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0519/paczkowska.html

If only the child were a Garda.

recylingbin

Why does the not so bon mot ' baby batter' keep popping into my head?

Ruu_Old

Probably early release for good behaviour too, laughable.

bugler

Horrible case. It does seem very light, and I await any details that may change my mind on that.

Also, the thought that she may have more children in the future, or currently have other children, and that these children may be reliant on an ineffectual social services system for protection worries me.

Bonito

Christ, why do all the news threads end up in AH? One or two is fine but, all of them?

walshb

A filthy disgusting excuse for a human being. 4 years......

This was blatant murder, but yet again, securing
a murder conviction here is much too difficult.

The real horror is that this is never a surprise in Ireland.

I see David Keogh got 4 years with 6 months suspended for the attack
on the two Polish men. He has over 70 previous convictions...:mad:

walshb

Ruu wrote: »

Probably early release for good behaviour too, laughable.

Probably? I think that's a given....

recylingbin

walshb wrote: »

I see David Keogh got 4 years with 6 months suspended for the attack
on the two Polish men. He has over 70 previous convictions...:mad:

This was blatant murder, but yet again, securing
a murder conviction here is much too difficult.

Davy Keogh says oh no.

Keano

Bonito wrote: »

Christ, why do all the news threads end up in AH? One or two is fine but, all of them?

Where else should they go?

delta720

WindSock wrote: »

If only the child were a Garda.

Why? Then the sentence would have been 4 years suspended.

WindSock

delta720 wrote: »

Why? Then the sentence would have been 4 years suspended.

No, sure they are calling for 8 years on an assault on a Garda. That's only for assault, obviously a worthier sentance than for killing a child...

recylingbin

WindSock wrote: »

No, sure they are calling for 8 years on an assault on a Garda. That's only for assault, obviously a worthier sentance than for killing a child...

Maybe Mick Galwey landed in with one of his super character references for the woman.

pwd

delta720 wrote: »

Why? Then the sentence would have been 4 years suspended.

They'd have gotten off on self-defence tbh. And probably been compensated.

stevenmu

Somebody should report her for running a head-shop, that's 10 years.

bmw535d

when was the last time you heard of anyone getting a life sentence in Ireland,

in america you would get the death penalty, this is ridiculous,

i know some that got 11 years after their trailer broke off from their jeep and killed some1, a pure freak accident, then someone murder's a baby and gets away with 4 years. ? what a justice system.

ScumLord

Leftyflip wrote: »

Maybe she'll get justice in prison, if not, bear patrol, definitely the bear patrol.

Irish prison system full of Irish mammys. She's going to be put through hell on earth when they hear what she did.

walshb

bmw535d wrote: »

when was the last time you heard of anyone getting a life sentence in Ireland,

in america you would get the death penalty, this is ridiculous,

i know some that got 11 years after their trailer broke off from their jeep and killed some1, a pure freak accident, then someone murder's a baby and gets away with 4 years. ? what a justice system.

People do get life in Ireland, well, 16-17 years on average...Oops!

walshb

ScumLord wrote: »

Irish prison system full of Irish mammys. She's going to be put through hell on earth when they hear what she did.

And who's to say that a lot of these aren't filty scumbags who couldn't care less, some even in for similar offences?

Either way we will be paying good money to make sure this animal is well fed, educated, protected and housed for the next 2-3-4 years. Great isn't it?

evercloserunion

Clearly the fact that she went mental played a big role in it, it's probably manslaughter/diminished responsibility. Absolutely terrible thing to happen but given that the news report is three sentences long do we not want to wait to see if any more details come to light before passing final judgment?

walshb

bmw535d wrote: »

i know some that got 11 years after their trailer broke off from their jeep and killed some1, a pure freak accident, then someone murder's a baby and gets away with 4 years. ? what a justice system.

So it had nothing to do with gross negligence?

IvySlayer

walshb wrote: »

And who's to say that a lot of these aren't filty scumbags who couldn't care less, some even in for similar offences?

Either way we will be paying good money to make sure this animal is well fed, educated, protected and housed for the next 2-3-4 years. Great isn't it?

Aye, we need to make prison life a lot tougher. Prisons are like hotels.

4 years is a ****ing joke. What will it take to make these sentences harsher/longer?

walshb

evercloserunion wrote: »

Clearly the fact that she went mental played a big role in it, it's probably manslaughter/diminished responsibility. Absolutely terrible thing to happen but given that the news report is three sentences long do we not want to wait to see if any more details come to light before passing final judgment?

Went mental?

Ah, the good old get you out of jail card. Anyway, from all reports I have read, this woman terrorised the child on many occasions.

Prof.Badass

Poly wrote: »

What sort of a fcuked up justice system do we have?
This scumbag should have got life.



http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0519/paczkowska.html

Typical AH mentality. You demand life, but have you really thought about it?

Life sentences should only be given out for the most henious of crimes, such as supplying people with mephedrone, not something tiny like murder.

And besides, she's a woman :rolleyes:.

evercloserunion

walshb wrote: »

Went mental?

Ah, the good old get you out of jail card. Anyway, from all reports I have read, this woman terrorised the child on many occasions.

So kind of you to share all these reports with us...

walshb

evercloserunion wrote: »

So kind of you to share all these reports with us...

Go seek them out. I also heard via my ears that she used to pinch and hit the child and pull the childs hair regularly. A right nasty piece of work.

And god only knows what other hardship that child endured before her death.

BTW, her excuse when she was seen beating the unconscious child at the top
of the stairs was, "I was trying to wake her."

WalterMitty

Ah but shes a woman.

jd007

And there goes another little bit of my faith in humanity...

evercloserunion

walshb wrote: »

Go seek them out. I also heard via my ears that she used to pinch and hit the child and pull the childs hair regularly. A right nasty piece of work.

And god only knows what other hardship that child endured before her death.

BTW, her excuse when she was seen beating the unconscious child at the top
of the stairs was, "I was trying to wake her."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0512/kycwaks.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0122/1224262842627.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0513/1224270278831.html

First three hits on Google, and not one of them mentions any previous abuse. I'm not saying it didn't happen but facts rather than rumours would be nice.

pwd

IvySlayer wrote: »

Aye, we need to make prison life a lot tougher. Prisons are like hotels.

4 years is a ****ing joke. What will it take to make these sentences harsher/longer?

Prisons are not like hotels. Any reasonable person would dread being sent to one.
However I fully agree that she should have received a more severe punishment, particularly when people have received similar or worse penalties for far far less, as several people have already described.

walshb

evercloserunion wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0512/kycwaks.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0122/1224262842627.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0513/1224270278831.html

First three hits on Google, and not one of them mentions any previous abuse. I'm not saying it didn't happen but facts rather than rumours would be nice.

Please substitute the word read with heard. I heard on the RTE news last week that this woman had a history of abusing the child. If anyone else heard this report please say so. It was definitely mentioned.

walshb

pwd wrote: »

Prisons are not like hotels. Any reasonable person would dread being sent to one.
However I fully agree that she should have received a more severe punishment, particularly when people have received similar or worse penalties for far far less, as several people have already described.

Maybe prisons aren't like hotels, but they aren't like prisons either

FishFood

Toddles off to jail for 4 years.....*gets coat, leaves country, changes identity

lynski

she has a number of other children see here -

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0513/1224270278831.html?via=rel

pwd

They have a face shot of her up now instead of that pic of her covering her head.
wtf is the story with the rte url? "KycWaks"?

pwd

walshb wrote: »

Maybe prisons aren't like hotels, but they aren't like prisons either

They are like prisons.
Continuing this argument will derail the thread and not really go anywhere unless someone has been in an Irish prison and decides they want to broadcast that fact. So I suggest we agree to disagree.

Prof.Badass

lynski wrote: »

she has a number of other children see here -

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0513/1224270278831.html?via=rel

And what difference should that make (besides that she should lose custody of them)?

walshb

vinylmesh wrote: »

And what difference should that make (besides that she should lose custody of them)?

Did the poster say it made a difference?

I think it was posted to simply give a bit more info about the animal.
That's what I got from it, oh, and she's a slag too.

pwd

They should not have withdrawn the manslaughter charge. I see no reason for it to have been withdrawn.

Biggins

A pitiful 4 years is a disgrace.
(Will she even serve all that?)

amacachi

Ah don't be so harsh, she was probably suffering from post-natal depression or they didn't have a top in her size in Penny's.

SugarHigh

pwd wrote: »

They have a face shot of her up now instead of that pic of her covering her head.
wtf is the story with the rte url? "KycWaks"?

It's kids surname.

Sonnenblumen

vinylmesh wrote: »

Typical AH mentality. You demand life, but have you really thought about it?

Life sentences should only be given out for the most henious of crimes, such as supplying people with mephedrone, not something tiny like murder.

And besides, she's a woman :rolleyes:.

She killed her child with motherly love? I think not!:mad:

moonpurple

if a father had beaten his child to death he would never come out again,

thick kerry judge

rte are reporting it as women beats child and then the child dies

oh right.. polish man has screw driver stuck in his head...and he died later

the child was murdered...it is time to get holy mary out of our heads here in ireland and treat a murderous mother as one more criminal

there are other children..... lets cross our fingers for them in about 3 years time

WRONG WRONG WRONG...it should be forty years...was there a misprint in the courts papers?

evercloserunion

evercloserunion wrote: »

but given that the news report is three sentences long do we not want to wait to see if any more details come to light before passing final judgment?

Fek that.. I'm taking my uninformed opinion and fighting it to the death.
It's the boardsie way.

walshb

Man or woman, the courts on average here do not administer justice, so had it been
a man he too may have received a similar sentence, maybe a few years extra, but still
not a just sentence.

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

Fek that.. I'm taking my uninformed opinion and fighting it to the death.
It's the boardsie way.

She battered a kid which led to the kid dying. I doubt you could even make something up that would make me think this was an adequate sentence.

moonpurple

evercloserunion wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0512/kycwaks.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0122/1224262842627.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0513/1224270278831.html

First three hits on Google, and not one of them mentions any previous abuse. I'm not saying it didn't happen but facts rather than rumours would be nice.

rte drivetime mary wilson - evidence in court from friends of this piece of sh1t said she used to pinch the child's face and treat the child cruelly

gimme5minutes

This is the best yet. A person (yes a baby is a person, completely defenceless one) gets beaten to death and the killer gets 4 years which means less than 3 when you take time off for good behaviour.

"The court heard she had 'flipped' on the night in question and had not wanted to kill her child." - So fooking what if she flipped? Anytime anyone commits a serious assault it's because they flipped. Every single murder apart from gangland hits and serial killers happen because someone flipped. How is the fact that she flipped accepted as an excuse for the attack?

What is it with the fooking judges in this country??!!? Someone should start a website cataloging all the crazy sentences handed down here in the last ten years, it would make some reading.