why?

phantom_lord

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

pat58

You are reading too far into things my friend:rolleyes:

BESman

OP is a shape shifting alien reptile if I ever saw one.

Obvious reptile is obvious.

Brown Bomber

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

I reckon your far more likely to get your explanations if you showed some manners.

Brown Bomber

BESman wrote: »

OP is a shape shifting alien reptile if I ever saw one.

Obvious reptile is obvious.

You still alive? :eek:.

Captain Chaos

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I reckon your far more likely to get your explanations if you showed some manners.

His post is hardly offensive in fairness.

Soft shell much.

Brown Bomber

Captain Chaos wrote: »

His post is hardly offensive in fairness.

Soft shell much.

Was it directed at you?

namloc1980

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Was it directed at you?

To be honest there nothing offensive in his post possibly other than the 'jim corr' remark.

My name is URL

It's best to just pay attention to the bits that actually interest you. The term 'Conspiracy Theory' is a loaded one, and used increasingly as a perjorative term to label anyone that shows an interest in kind of alternative thought.

It's not cool that this forum is subject to such vitriol really.. as all fora on boards should be there to cater for those that show an interest in the subject and provide a platform where they can discuss things without being singled out

Brown Bomber

namloc1980 wrote: »

To be honest there nothing offensive in his post possibly other than the 'jim corr' remark.

So nothing offensive except just one thing then?

namloc1980

Brown Bomber wrote: »

So nothing offensive except just one thing then?

You might outline so what you found particularly offensive in his post

Darlughda

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

Ya got to admit its better than believing what comes out of Brian Cowen, Bertie Aherne and the RTE mouthpieces!

Brown Bomber

namloc1980 wrote: »

You might outline so what you found particularly offensive in his post

I'm not trying to be difficult here but I never said I was offended by anything nor was I.

I said the OP was more more likely to get a positive response if he showed some basic manners to the users of the forum.

Why not pose these questions in the appropriate existing threads if he wants to know? Otherwise who the **** are the questions directed to? The group? There is no group, no 2 posters here think the same.

nullzero

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

Occassionally I look at posts from individuals such as yourself in wonderment.
Wonderment of why you would expend your time on asking why other people believe things that you don't believe.
Surely we should all be free to believe whatever it is we choose to, would you not agree?
And furthermore, what business is it of yours what others believe in? As long as their wacky beliefs are not infringing on you or your rights, you have no place in questioning their right to hold them.
You're a moderator on this site, and I'm sure that you're aware that this forum is often beset by problems pertaining to shall we say, ungentlemanly behaviour (pointelssly arguing points between persons who will never see eye to eye etc...).
Surely starting a thread of this nature is inviting more of the said behaviour which will inevitably result in the handing out of infractions and possibly bans from moderators such as yourself.

It's fine that you don't understand people's beliefs in conspiracy theories.
I don't like a lot of things that are discussed on boards.ie, but I generally don't see the point in making my way onto any of those forums to decry those topics or belittle those who choose to post there.

namloc1980

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'm not trying to be difficult here but I never said I was offended by anything nor was I.

I said the OP was more more likely to get a positive response if he showed some basic manners to the users of the forum.

Why not pose these questions in the appropriate existing threads if he wants to know? Otherwise who the **** are the questions directed to? The group? There is no group, no 2 posters here think the same.

To be fair he did pose a question in the LA being attacked by HAARP thread but no one replied to him

Brown Bomber

namloc1980 wrote: »

To be fair he did pose a question in the LA being attacked by HAARP thread but no one replied to him

awww...Just joking but teah but that was only an hour ago in fairness. This came 2 minutes later

phantom_lord wrote: »

seriously, wake up, and stop paying attention to this ct nonsense.

heno86

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

i cant get my head around it .....im usually very dismissive of this kind of stuff but lately have seen some stuff with no logical explanation in particular the whole freemason/illuminati thing and it's links with very powerful people ie. us presidents etc and have been looking at the whole bohemian grove thing which i find incredibly strange if not a conspiracy....either way i think the crazier of the conspiracy's take credibility away from the more believable ones

BESman

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You still alive? :eek:.

I live to fight another year.

Torakx

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

Some people think more of those are more likely than others might do here.Not everyone believes everything.But in general alot tend to entertain or play the devils advocate or at least i do anyway.

I do believe there are families who consider bloodlines to be very important and still marry their chiildren off to other powerfull families for connections and for bussiness relationships.While this isnt anything sinister in itself, it is interesting researching Freemasons history and other secret societies and how it ties in with these other families and there later generations.
Then when you search a bit more and take a wide view of global mainstream news and underground news it can appear like these families and their associates are running things on a global scale,also making unions and groups to push and pull the balance of power and whisper in the ears of many countries leaders.
In ireland we have NAMA as a good example and also the same people advising NAMA are the very ones who helped Greece hide its debt which happened to backfire afaik.
As for jay-z and illuminatti its obvious he is doing it for profit.But i cant say for sure who gave him the idea or how that came about and is progressing to a much more in your face style now.
I think its better to take a step back on that issue and look at the content in general being pumped out through the tube.
Its been shown in this forum that television can be and i think shows is being used to at the least suggest a way of thinking and lifestyle for the people watching it.
So going back to Jay-Z Rhianna Biance Lady Gaga etc i can see alot of mind control symbolism and also suggestion on many levels that could effect society and guide its general moral standards.
This ties in with the people who own the companies/corperations in the media world.
Do some research on the American media corps who own all the tv channels and movies companies.
And with the NWO and this new age movement popping up to appose it, i have to think to myself at some point if they control politics by creating a left and a right side in a country so the public believe they have a choice about how its run they can then just control both sides and pass legislation quite alot easier.
Now taking a step back from a single country and looking at the NWO trying to create a global system in many fields, it would be logical to think then that to create this new world order they would need to create the opposite side also to the mainstream political,social movements and lines of thinking.
In the end me personally, i accept that i could be wrong about some of the things i have researched and considered very likely.
But when it makes alot more sense on a logical level i hold no reason to deny its likelyhood in some issues and others i take with a pinch of salt of enjoy playing the devils advocate to gain the other perspective.Its very rewarding and the research along the way has actually opened up my interest for history and reading books again.
So its not all doom and gloom

squod

Wonder what OPs favourite CT is.

fontanalis

Darlughda wrote: »

Ya got to admit its better than believing what comes out of Brian Cowen, Bertie Aherne and the RTE mouthpieces!

No it's not, really it's not.

GarlicBread

phantom_lord wrote: »

I occasionally look at this forum in wonderment, and i just wonder why you guys believe in this stuff and expend so much time on it?

If you step back for a second and drop the jim corr type paranoia, you can't really believe based on any sort of logic or balance of probabilities that america is about to cause an earthquake in LA with some new technology, or that it caused the one in Haiti, or that planes are dropping stuff on us with chemtrails, or some secret organisation is trying to take over the world.

Do you just feel the need to believe you're in on this stuff and privy to things that "ordinary" people don't know?

Why is it that you pass up the normal explanations for things and most logical answers but swallow up anything that originates from ct sources?

You don't really believe that jay-z is a tool used by the illuminati to take over the world do you?

I just find the whole thing a bit bizarre and really don't understand it at all, and would just love some explanations!

If i were to go on irish TV and say that god dosent exist and the catholic church was mind controlling people, stealing their money and running paedophile rings all over the place; i would be called a conspiracy nutter.

Why? Because the truth is a painful thing and most people just cant accept it. Society at large will build an intelectual getto, with walls made of ridicule, and throw me into it to contain me and my nutty ideas so i dont do damage to the accepted paradigm.

You have mentioned a few conspiracies in your post, some are theories and some are not.

The earthquake weapon thing is only a theory with hardly no evidence going for it. But on the other hand, chemtrails are very real.

Shapeshifting reptilians are quite possably a big load of nonsense, but on the other hand the ufo issue in general is certainly not since there is 60 years worth of hard evidence and counting.

Some stuff is real, some stuff is not.

The term conspiracy theory is only really a term for somthing thats either total bollox, or somthing that dosent fit in anywhere else. If i were to go on an astrology/astrophysics forum to talk about ufos(which are known to factually exist), i would be kicked out and into the CT forum simply because it would not be acceptable, etc etc.

Another good example would be 911. The dogs on the street know the truth about it, but the dogs in the media would never touch it with a barge poll for fear of upsetting the status quo. It can only go one place, the conspiracy forums .

I hope that goes some way to answering your question.

fontanalis

The earthquake weapon isn't a theory.
911 troof claims are a clusterf***k of nonsense where no one can come up with a lucid story of who done it and how.

nullzero

squod wrote: »

Wonder what OPs favourite CT is.

I'm going to go with North Dakota does not exist!!!!!!!!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055914246
:pac:

nullzero

fontanalis wrote: »

The earthquake weapon isn't a theory.
911 troof claims are a clusterf***k of nonsense where no one can come up with a lucid story of who done it and how.

Earthquake weapon isn't a theory?
Is it fact?
I don't have anything invested in that whole idea so I'm not attacking your post, well apart from the "clusterf***k" bit, I can't stand that sort of net speak (all the cool kids are doing it? Well fvck the cool kids then).

tony 2 tone

Ah Jaysus OP, can open, worms every where!

My name is URL

nullzero wrote: »

Earthquake weapon isn't a theory?
Is it fact?
I don't have anything invested in that whole idea so I'm not attacking your post, well apart from the "clusterf***k" bit, I can't stand that sort of net speak (all the cool kids are doing it? Well fvck the cool kids then).

To be fair it's more of a hypothesis.. in theory, theories are based on an already established set of rules.

I don't know why people get hung up on it though, nobodies trying to change the meaning of the word. People know what CT's are about, and if all they can do is question the meaning of the term then frankly they're idiots

fontanalis

nullzero wrote: »

Earthquake weapon isn't a theory?
Is it fact?
I don't have anything invested in that whole idea so I'm not attacking your post, well apart from the "clusterf***k" bit, I can't stand that sort of net speak (all the cool kids are doing it? Well fvck the cool kids then).

No it's an idea, or do you want to change the meanings of words to suit your sub culture. You can't stand the word clusterf***k but you frequent a site where sheeple is thrown around willy nilly (ooh more net speak).

nullzero

fontanalis wrote: »

No it's an idea, or do you want to change the meanings of words to suit your sub culture. You can't stand the word clusterf***k but you frequent a site where sheeple is thrown around willy nilly (ooh more net speak).

Aw, did I hit a nerve?
You are also frequenting this forum, what does that say about you?
My sub culture? What the hell does that mean? Do you think I hang around on street corners with like minded loons dressed in some sort of uniform?
If you've got such a problem with CT's why are you bothering to post here?

GarlicBread

fontanalis wrote: »

The earthquake weapon isn't a theory.
911 troof claims are a clusterf***k of nonsense where no one can come up with a lucid story of who done it and how.

There was no 747 that hit the pentagon, proven.

There was no plane that crashed in pensilvania, proven.

Bombs brought down all 3 buildings, conclusively proven.

The 11 guys that did it, didnt do it at all, proven.

Every single element of the 911 evidence including the 911 commission report has been torn apart not just by CTers, but by many mainstream people in the US and elsewhere.

Saying al-qaida did 911 is like saying the soviets burned down the Reichstag. Its lol with a capital L.

nullzero

GarlicBread wrote: »

There was no 747 that hit the pentagon, proven.

There was no plane that crashed in pensilvania, proven.

Bombs brought down all 3 buildings, conclusively proven.

The 11 guys that did it, didnt do it at all, proven.

Every single element of the 911 evidence including the 911 commission report has been torn apart not just by CTers, but by many mainstream people in the US and elsewhere.

Saying al-qaida did 911 is like saying the soviets burned down the Reichstag. Its lol with a capital L.

None of that is true, I read it in Wired so you must be wrong:pac:

GarlicBread

nullzero wrote: »

None of that is true, I read it in Wired so you must be wrong:pac:

namloc1980

GarlicBread wrote: »

There was no 747 that hit the pentagon, proven.

Correct.....it was actually a 757

fontanalis

GarlicBread wrote: »

There was no 747 that hit the pentagon, proven.

There was no plane that crashed in pensilvania, proven.

Bombs brought down all 3 buildings, conclusively proven.

The 11 guys that did it, didnt do it at all, proven.

Every single element of the 911 evidence including the 911 commission report has been torn apart not just by CTers, but by many mainstream people in the US and elsewhere.

Saying al-qaida did 911 is like saying the soviets burned down the Reichstag. Its lol with a capital L.

Your opinion on 911, Epic Fail.
Who did it and why? No one has given a straight forward answer; teh juwes did it, remote controlled planes, missiles, thermite, NWO, a way to stop investigations into the SEC
The official story hasn't been torn apart by troofers (the many versions of the troof I may add), it's been regurgiatated time and time again and that reguargitation has been torn apart by "skeptics"

Brown Bomber

nullzero wrote: »

Do you think I hang around on street corners with like minded loons dressed in some sort of uniform?

You don't?

This is mine

nullzero

fontanalis wrote: »

Your opinion on 911, Epic Fail.
Who did it and why? No one has given a straight forward answer; teh juwes did it, remote controlled planes, missiles, thermite, NWO, a way to stop investigations into the SEC
The official story hasn't been torn apart by troofers (the many versions of the troof I may add), it's been regurgiatated time and time again and that reguargitation has been torn apart by "skeptics"

Look it's a meme...

nullzero

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You don't?

This is mine

I must have missed that months newsletter;)

Darlughda

fontanalis wrote: »

Epic Fail.
"

Epic originality in the use of that silly silly expression. Is it that hard to think up your own or have you figured out how to think for yourself yet?
What are you 16?

fontanalis

nullzero wrote: »

Look it's a meme...

fontanalis

Darlughda wrote: »

Epic originality in the use of that silly silly expression. Is it that hard to think up your own or have you figured out how to think for yourself yet?
What are you 16?

It was in response to the lol, fight fire with fire and all that (hope I don't hurt anyones meme meter).

GarlicBread

namloc1980 wrote: »

Correct.....it was actually a 757

Theres a video released by the government that shows a missile or a small white plane hitting the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCaldJGjmo&feature=related

There was not any wreakage from a plane, there was not one single body, body part, seat, nothing.

Even the hole in the building was shown as impossible to be caused by a passenger jet.

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/pentagon_hole2.jpg

Please dont question already known facts about 911, you make yourself look like retards who never bothered getting off your ass to reserch it before. Its all done and dusted at this stage.

Brown Bomber

fontanalis wrote: »

The official story hasn't been torn apart by troofers (the many versions of the troof I may add), it's been regurgiatated time and time again and that reguargitation has been torn apart by "skeptics"

Like yourself? :D;)

I don't think sarcastic one-liners and bastardising the word truth constantly counts as torn apart.

namloc1980

GarlicBread wrote: »

Theres a video released by the government that shows a missile or a small white plane hitting the pentagon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCaldJGjmo&feature=related

There was not any wreakage from a plane, there was not one single body, body part, seat, nothing.

Even the hole in the building was shown as impossible to be caused by a passenger jet.

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/pentagon_hole2.jpg

Please dont question already known facts about 911, you make yourself look like retards who never bothered getting off your ass to reserch it before. Its all done and dusted at this stage.

No wreckage eh?

Part of landing gear


Wheel hub


Part of the turbofan engine


Maybe you should do some of your own research first!

As for the hole in the building. It has been shown again and again that an aircraft will literally disintegrate on impact with a building such as the pentagon. It won't leave a cartoon style outline of the place as the CT community suggest.

fontanalis

namloc1980 wrote: »

No wreckage eh?

Part of landing gear


Wheel hub


Part of the turbofan engine


Maybe you should do some of your own research first!

As for the hole in the building. It has been shown again and again that an aircraft will literally disintegrate on impact with a building such as the pentagon. It won't leave a cartoon style outline of the place as the CT community suggest.

Facts can be misleading.

Sparticle

OP I too look at this forum in wonderment but for slightly different reasons.
I am amazed at the people who argue with the CT'ers. There is absolutely no point. The logical fallacies, the unquestioned evidence, the fervent(and sometimes plain scary) zealotry and the inability to admit that they may be wrong all make this a pointless exercise. In all my internet travels I've never seen a CT'er admit defeat(Kinda like religious people) and abandon a theory in light of new(or even old) evidence. I don't know if it's morbid curiosity or a real desire to change someone but if it's the latter any change in their flawed concept of reality will come from within. One day some will realize that it is their thinking that is biased and illogical and will look back in wonder at what they posted here. To all the defenders of reason I salute you but please use your considerable intellects for something more worthwhile.

nullzero

Sparticle wrote: »

OP I too look at this forum in wonderment but for slightly different reasons.
I am amazed at the people who argue with the CT'ers. There is absolutely no point. The logical fallacies, the unquestioned evidence, the fervent(and sometimes plain scary) zealotry and the inability to admit that they may be wrong all make this a pointless exercise. In all my internet travels I've never seen a CT'er admit defeat(Kinda like religious people) and abandon a theory in light of new(or even old) evidence. I don't know if it's morbid curiosity or a real desire to change someone but if it's the latter any change in their flawed concept of reality will come from within. One day some will realize that it is their thinking that is biased and illogical and will look back in wonder at what they posted here. To all the defenders of reason I salute you but please use your considerable intellects for something more worthwhile.

Great observations there.
All things that can be applied to "skeptics" as well as "CTers".
The people you call "CTers" are here because they are interested in what you would deem to be stupid topics that are of little relevance.
You're here because? Oh yeah. Like a lot of others you feel you have a right to judge people based on their beliefs, which is presumably based on some sort of superiority complex that you would never own up to and flat out deny, taking great offence in the process.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record lately, but if you're so set against CTs why are you here to begin with? You're perfectly entitled to be here and I'd never deny that, but is it not ultimately a waste of your own time?

nullzero

fontanalis wrote: »

It's like someone saw my life and broke it down into a stickman cartoon:pac:

SisterTrip

Here is flight 93 that was supposed to hit building 7. Unfortunately it vanished into the ground instead, in a little puff of smoke...



Oh, there it is...

BESman

I'd have to say that the greatest invention is the modern day stapler.

squod

Is it a conspiracy that every ten weeks or so that we end up talking about the events of 9/11. Yawn. That boat has sailed like.

SisterTrip

Ha! I didn't bring it up