How much does it cost to record in ireland these days?

MilanPan!c

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Ronan makes an interesting point .

I think when I joined here a year and a half ago - the idea of using a 'proper' studio or even a 'proper' engineer would have been poo-pooed a bit.

It's interesting that there now seem to be a ground shift towards that, as most of the above advice suggests.

As is often the case in life a balance is probably the optimum solution.

We've just finished a project where the backing track was recorded in a 'proper' studio plus guitar and vocals , editing was done at 'Intergalactic Harmonic Feedback Studio' .... otherwise known as my bedroom on my HD2 rig.

Keys were done by their keys player in his studio - plus me in Logic on my laptop.

Premixing was also done in IHFS and final mix back in 'proper' room.

The Hybrid is now the norm and I believe will be for the foreseeable future.

But where did Yoko sleep?

PaulBrewer

MilanPan!c wrote: »

But where did Yoko sleep?

In the Penthouse of course ?

tweeky

PaulBrewer wrote: »

Ronan makes an interesting point .

I think when I joined here a year and a half ago - the idea of using a 'proper' studio or even a 'proper' engineer would have been poo-pooed a bit.

It's interesting that there now seem to be a ground shift towards that, as most of the above advice suggests.

As is often the case in life a balance is probably the optimum solution.

We've just finished a project where the backing track was recorded in a 'proper' studio plus guitar and vocals , editing was done at 'Intergalactic Harmonic Feedback Studio' .... otherwise known as my bedroom on my HD2 rig.

Keys were done by their keys player in his studio - plus me in Logic on my laptop.

Premixing was also done in IHFS and final mix back in 'proper' room.

The Hybrid is now the norm and I believe will be for the foreseeable future.

+1 Paul,
Haven't done a gig in the last few years that have been far from the candlewick bedspread!

PaulBrewer

tweeky wrote: »

+1 Paul,
Haven't done a gig in the last few years that have been far from the candlewick bedspread!

Ha ! Perhaps I'll call it 'Candlewick Studio' ....

Ed .... stick that on the single !

judas101

PaulBrewer wrote: »

I think when I joined here a year and a half ago - the idea of using a 'proper' studio or even a 'proper' engineer would have been poo-pooed a bit.

It's interesting that there now seem to be a ground shift towards that, as most of the above advice suggests.

In response to that I would say that there has been an influx of studio owners and equipment dealers which have alienated the hobbyists.

I was just thinking the other day about posters who no longer frequent this forum such as Doctor J and Niall Dahlia (Although he is a pro) who didn't like the way this forum was going.

I counted at least 4 people connected with studios giving advice so some perspective is required here.

PaulBrewer

judas101 wrote: »

alienated the hobbyists.

Oh dear ...

1. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to express it.
That is the bedrock on which Boards is based.

2. As a rule , you can rely on Pro's advice as it's from experience . I , or most hobbyists I'd wager, have no desire to hear 'opinions' based on anything else.

judas101

PaulBrewer wrote: »

As a rule , you can rely on Pro's advice as it's from experience

Hmmm, it's a bit different when they are recommendations for studios and gear which the pro (or clique member) will profit.

That's the basis of what I don't like about this forum these days.

EDIT: You and a few other pros have brought a lot to this forum I'm sure everyone will agree.
But this forum has suffered in other ways imo.

PaulBrewer

judas101 wrote: »

Hmmm, it's a bit different when they are recommendations for studios and gear which the pro (or clique member) will profit.

That's the basis of what I don't like about this forum these days.

That's life Sunshine, the guys that know mostly make a living out of it.

Your implication to me is that 'bad' information is being offered (which is rarely the case) for some gain.

As you well know Bad Info gets jumped on quick around here, which is right and fair to my mind.


Most pros I know are music fans first - no one these days is getting rich out of it.

MilanPan!c

judas101 wrote: »

Hmmm, it's a bit different when they are recommendations for studios and gear which the pro (or clique member) will profit.

That's the basis of what I don't like about this forum these days.

That's a toughie though it's it?

I mean, that's a bit like saying I don't go into the Bands/Musicians threads, because some of the musicians wanted ads brag about the quailty of the bands material (i.e. they read like ads).

I, and this is just me, expect the pros on here to both help, and chat about their interests and flog their wares... it's only a small, "price to pay" to have good conversation with people doing this stuff full time every day.

No complaints at all from me; ignore the ads if they really bother you, but it's hard to see why they would.

IMO IMO IMO IMO

judas101

As a daily reader and contributor of this forum for years I've watched degrade into a back-scratching contest between the various pros on here.

I can tell I'm going to get blasted for this. And we both know by who.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks this too.

PaulBrewer

judas101 wrote: »

As a daily reader and contributor of this forum for years I've watched degrade into a back-scratching contest between the various pros on here.

I can tell I'm going to get blasted for this. And we both know by who.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks this too.

As I said, the basis of Boards is anyone can express any idea.

T'was always so , t'will always be.



Moaning about it is NOT a tool of change.

MilanPan!c

judas101 wrote: »

As a daily reader and contributor of this forum for years I've watched degrade into a back-scratching contest between the various pros on here.

I can tell I'm going to get blasted for this. And we both know by who.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks this too.

No, I see that stuff as well... I guess I just think the trade-off makes that slight ...not even annoyance, but distraction... negligible...

If we lost the pros in an effort to push out the very occasional ads I prolly would come a lot less...

judas101

PaulBrewer wrote: »

As I said, the basis of Boards is anyone can express any idea.

Certainly, but there are rules against shilling businesses and commercial interaction which are both massively detrimental to this forum.

MilanPan!c

judas101 wrote: »

Certainly, but there are rules against shilling businesses and commercial interaction which are both massively detrimental to this forum.

Now I'm totally confused.

Is this about people breaking rules?

I thought it was about getting bad info or being annoyed at ads?

I don't know what exactly the rules are so I couldn't comment on that, to be sure (I know where to find them though - guess I should re-read). What I see isn't really aggressive for the most part, just people saying, hey, if you're looking for x (usually in response to a query) I can do it...

Is that really verboten?

Maybe I'm totally the wrong person, not a recording pro (at this point in my life) and not annoyed at all by what I see.

Can more aggravated people respond maybe?

judas101

I mean recommending their studios and shops.

For more input perhaps this should have a dedicated thread?

MilanPan!c

judas101 wrote: »

I mean recommending their studios and shops.

For more input perhaps this should have a dedicated thread?

Sure.

From my perspective, I don't really think that I can name a single person here that is ALWAYS selling their wares/services... and I DO SEE the pros helping pretty much ANYONE that asks. I'm no pro (not now at least) and I can only say that the people on here are always ready to help me, offer advice and chat about gear, techniques, etc.... in other words not a snobby PROS ONLY place (like a few I can think of).

I also think if someone was spamming the board they'd get called out by both the enthusiasts AND the pros.

It never even occurred to me that anyone took any issue with anything like that here....

Weird.

PaulBrewer

judas101 wrote: »

massively detrimental .

I'd never exaggerate in a million years ....

ZV Yoda

This topic raises it's head every once in a while. I've been on this forum for about 2 years (when I first set up my home studio as a complete newbie). Since then, I’ve learned a huge amount from a lot of people on here.

I'm probably forgetting loads of people, but a few that spring to mind are Trackmix who was gracious enough to let me & another 4 or 5 posters loose in his studio for a full day (free of charge) to record a track – purely so we could see how the tracking process works. Then Damaged Trax gave up a full day of his time to take us through the mixing process in his home studio. DaDumTish has been out to my place twice to help me with my drum recording set up (and showed me the light with vDrums & Superior Drummer :cool:). That’s just pure goodwill on everybody’s part....

... and that's before I even mention all of the good, bad & indifferent feedback I get from folks whenever I post a track for advice/comment (thanks Rockshamrover, MilanPan!c, Eoin5 amongst others...)

Like most folks, I’m on a few different forums – but they tend to be a bit more specialised (e.g. Pro Tools, vDrums etc). I honestly find that this is the best generic music production place… because it’s such a mixed bunch of posters. I don’t agree that it’s all back-scratching… yes, there is a tendency to mostly recommend better/more expensive gear than an OP’s budget allows, but hey – nobody’s forcing anybody to buy anything.

For the record, I have bought gear from at least 2 pros/dealers on here (inc Paul Brewer... who's opinions/posts I don't always agree with BTW ). That was my choice & I went looking for them (i.e. I wasn’t pressured). I’ve have been extremely happy with my purchases and both of the lads did me great deals on the gear I bought.

So, what’s the beef?... we’re all adults. Nobody’s twisting anybody’s arm. Nobody’s breaking any rules by shilling (based on my understanding of the charter). The commercial interaction forum was set up for that purpose.

So… yeah, there’s a lot of waffle on here, but there’s also a heap of great advice & excellent contacts for anybody who’s in (or starting out in) the music biz.

... one day when I'm a filthy rich & famous musician/songwriter, I'll include a special thanks to Boards MP forum on the sleeve notes of my multi-platinum Opus

DamagedTrax

i agree.

also given the size of the industry in ireland, if someone asks where to record or buy gear the chances are they'll get recommended an engineer/studio/shop that someone on this forum is involved with. that cant be helped.

alan kelly

Good post by zv yoda.... Have no probs with the odd advertisement at the expense of all the information i have picked over the last few years... I also think some of the guys (mr brewer ect) have been honest in respect to their work. No complaints on my side:)

BumbleB

I think the angle the OP is going is very good ,learning how to produce is an invaluable tool for both communicating what you want and making your sound.I personally sit on the fence as for the bedroom vs studio debate. I'm pretty well versed in production techniques , I first read about recording techniques when I was 12 .I saw an article explaining ADT and I was fascinated .

Developing an ear as a producer is a million times different to developing an ear as a guitarist and also you will actually begin to realise why these guys are expensive.You will come to realise recording music is an extremely complicated process.

A producer can make or break a song ,an example I can think of that really illustrates this point is the original relax by frankie goes to hollywood versus the trevor horn revamp .Its light years away from the original.The original woud have never become a hit.

The areas I think which will suffer in your home produced stuff is invariably vocals , The lack of an extremely high quality preamp and mic may be a problem area.These days vocals are the b all and end all in every single song ever produced and more time is spent on vocals than any single other voice in a recording.

Having said all that sweet dreams - the eurythmics was recorded in a basement apparently.

ebaysellerrob

here is a list of basic gear that you will need to get a good sound its as basic as it can get and still give a good sound with a chance of it sounding ok!

A decent computer with alot of power(studios dont just buy gear cos its fancy)
make sure it has usb,alot of usb and if possible 2 firewire cards(the firewire is for dsp if you choose to use any)

Guitar rig(dont give me crap about it not sounding as good as real amps,its better than you will ever get at home esp with your no knowledge and no one will know)

liquid saffire(this has 2 liquid mic pre that emulates some of the best pres around,This is mainly for vocals)

If your recording drums use electronic drums or some thing to trigger sounds.Then use drumagog to keep the drum proformance but replace the drum sounds

here is a list of mics to try to see what is best for your vocals because cheap ones wont do.Even if there are effects on them no studio would record vox on the cheap.
shure sm7b
neumann tlm103
neumann u87
ev re20
akg 414(the copy is ok but not as good)

you will also need a mic reflector,pop shield and stand.

then we come to studio monitors.You can get away with krk if you get and set up the sub(cross over points) but you will need some acoustic treatment in your control room and a tutorial on how and why this is a must

Also I suggest using logic with protools logic is first and formost a tool for midi and programmers with the rest attached on.Protools is aimed more for dealing with audio.

you dont need a mixer or anything else really unless i forgot some thing.Once every thing is recorded give it to a mix engineer prob need 2 days with him persong a day to clean up the audio and edits and a day for mixing and a day at the mastering engineer per song

johnnylakes

If you have 2/3 years to spare, and a healthy budget, record yourself. If you want it done sooner to a good standard, go to a good studio with an engineer that knows his stuff.

wonski

No offence, but it took you almost two years...

Denalihighway

sometimes a considered response is a must on internet forums! this 'ere internet is for forever after all

johnnylakes

haha, realised that just after I posted! Valid none the less eh

TroutMask

I'd say that Nile's 'making of' Those Whom the Gods Detest DVD should be required reading for any artist planning on recording their own album. That and Mastering Audio by Bob Katz. In the DVD Nile takes us through the entire recording process from the songwriting stage to the final mix. They ftp across continents, track in one studio, overdub at home, and record vocals and mix in another studio. The only constant factors are Nile and the producer - the rest is a constantly changing flux. Unmissable and the results sound sooo good.

noodle650

If you are interested in checking out our facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/Castlefreke.Studio?ref=ts (website coming soon) we can discuss the best way in which to approach your project.

Regards,

Oengus H. Smith

wonski

noodle650 wrote: »

If you are interested in checking out our facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/Castlefreke.Studio?ref=ts (website coming soon) we can discuss the best way in which to approach your project.

Regards,

Oengus H. Smith

What project??? You should really re-think your marketing/selling strategy. No offence, but - again - little to late... I only got here, because I need to change boards settings (i follow every thread, no matter how little my input is...).

noodle650

wonski wrote: »

What project??? You should really re-think your marketing/selling strategy. No offence, but - again - little to late... I only got here, because I need to change boards settings (i follow every thread, no matter how little my input is...).

only offering advice, granted the thread is old after looking at it again but there are other posts including mine. the offer is for anyone who is anyway interested, clearly you are not so was there any need to retort in such a way?