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Have the government accidentally banned cigarettes?

  • 16-05-2010 11:05PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭


    Heard today, most, if not all cigarettes contain GBL (aka 4-hydroxybutanoic acid lactone’ - it's some sort of flavouring), this is on the government's new list of banned substances. Does this make all cigarettes illegal now? :eek:

    GBL is on the list of banned headshop substances Mary Harney banned during the week.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Goodness me - could bad law really have been made in a hurry in response to a media frenzy?

    amused,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭freelancerTax


    ROFL!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,294 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    I'd love if this were true purely just to show the general public what kind of consequences teh rushed 'Joe Duffy' style legislation can have on the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    is it naturally occuring or added to cigarettes? Insignificant amounts occur naturally in beer/wine also.

    Maybe that will make a difference I'm no lawyer. Maybe stock up on booze n fags just in case


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Demonon


    Are you sure? I can't find it on the list:
    The following substances and products:

    Synthetic Cannabinoids:
    [2,3–Dihydro–5–methyl–3–(4–morpholinylmethyl)pyrrolo[1,2,3–de]–1,4–benzoxazin–6–yl]–1–naphthalenylmethanone
    3–Dimethylheptyl–11–hydroxyhexahydrocannabinol
    9-(Hydroxymethyl)–6,6–dimethyl–3–(2–methyloctan–2–yl)–6a,7,10,10a–tetrahydrobenzo[c]chromen–1–ol
    [9–Hydroxy–6–methyl–3–[5–phenylpentan–2–yl]oxy–5,6,6a,7,8,9,10,10a-octahydrophenanthridin–1–yl]acetate
    Any substance structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)indole or 1H–indol–3–yl–(1–naphthyl)methane by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
    Any substance structurally derived from 3–(1–naphthoyl)pyrrole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the pyrrole ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the pyrrole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
    Any substance structurally derived from 1–(1–naphthylmethyl)indene by substitution at the 3–position of the indene ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indene ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the naphthyl ring to any extent.
    Any substance structurally derived from 3–phenylacetylindole by substitution at the nitrogen atom of the indole ring with alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the indole ring to any extent and whether or not substituted in the phenyl ring to any extent.
    Any substance structurally derived from 2–(3–hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol by substitution at the 5–position of the phenolic ring by alkyl, alkenyl, cycloalkylmethyl, cycloalkylethyl or 2–(4–morpholinyl)ethyl, whether or not further substituted in the cyclohexyl ring to any extent.
    BZP Derivatives:

    1-Benzylpiperazine or any substance structurally derived from 1–benzylpiperazine or 1–phenylpiperazine by modification in any of the following ways -
    (i) by substitution at the second nitrogen atom of the piperazine ring with alkyl, benzyl, haloalkyl or phenyl groups;
    (ii) by substitution in the aromatic ring to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy, halide or haloalkyl groups.
    Mephedrone & related Cathinones:

    1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-(1-pyrrolidinyl)-pentanone
    1-(2-Fluorophenyl)-2-methylaminopropan-1-one
    1-(3-Fluorophenyl)-2-methylaminopropan-1-one
    1-(4-Fluorophenyl)-2-methylaminopropan-1-one
    Methcathinone
    1-(4-Methoxyphenyl)-2-(methylamino)propan-1-one
    2-Methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one
    2-Methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one
    1-(4-Methylphenyl)-2-methylaminopropan-1-one
    GBL & 1,4 BD:

    Butan-1,4-diol
    Dihydrofuran-2(3H)-one (otherwise known as gamma-Butyrolactone)
    This legislation also controls any stereoisomeric form of these substances, esters and ethers (where appropriate), salts, and preparations or products containing any proportion of these substances.

    Are you mistaking it for Butan-1,4-diol ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 152 ✭✭Demonon


    By the way GBL is gamma-butyrolactone not 4-hydroxybutanoic acid lactone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Demonon wrote: »
    Are you sure? I can't find it on the list:

    Are you mistaking it for Butan-1,4-diol ?

    This gets even better, because I see there are several discussions on this topic in various forums already. It's a neck and neck race now - is it true (and symptomatic of rushed legislation following media frenzies) or false (and symptomatic of the Internet love of urban myth following media frenzies)?

    amused,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Tinkicker


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,294 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Tinkicker wrote: »
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    Nicotine? Alchohol? :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭murrayp4


    Please let this one be true.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Tinkicker


    Both!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    is it naturally occuring or added to cigarettes? Insignificant amounts occur naturally in beer/wine also.

    Maybe that will make a difference I'm no lawyer. Maybe stock up on booze n fags just in case
    well considering both alcohol and nicotine are psychoactive substances either way, does it matter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    can I start ringing up the local garda stations and report that a dodgy Dutch based shop (SPAR) is selling these banned substances?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭CptSternn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    CptSternn wrote: »

    However, that's not the 'missing ingredient', so to speak - the missing bit so far is the legislation banning it.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭Bucklesman


    As much as I wish this were true...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Butyrolactone


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid

    It would appear they are different. Unless a chemist wants to correct me...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Demonon wrote: »
    Are you sure? I can't find it on the list:



    Are you mistaking it for Butan-1,4-diol ?


    No, it was on the list she read out in the Dail.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭Zynks


    If this is true, they will need Bertie back to handle the flowered-up U-turn


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Please let this be true...............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Elevator


    is this true? if it is I shall be straight down to my local Garda station to report every single shop I can think of in Galway for breaking this new law.

    please say it's true cos I so wanna he a thorn in mary harneys side, would have to be a very large thorn granted :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Tinkicker


    THEY WILL BE AFTER THE WORKING MANS PINT NEXT!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    If this is true, it's both hilarious and unsurprising. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Tinkicker wrote: »
    THEY WILL BE AFTER THE WORKING MANS PINT NEXT!


    There's GBL in some beers and wines too :eek:

    TBH I don't know, hence the question, I'be very suprised if researchers hadn't cross referenced the list but I did some basic googling and it seems to be true, just wondering if anyone else could confirm or deny it.

    BTW According to Wiki (yes, I know how reliable it is) GBL has several names.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭delop


    I thought the New law was only for substances labeled 'Not For Human Consumption'

    But I could be wrong, this whole 'legal' area had my head spinning


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Goodness me - could bad law really have been made in a hurry in response to a media frenzy?

    Well, they certainly have a track record of making bad laws when they're in a panic!

    Here's a question - if these ARE temporarily "banned", surely we can buy them for a fair price, without the ridiculous amount of tax ?

    I mean, it must be against some precedent for them to take tax income from the purchase of illegal substances ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭CptSternn


    Bucklesman wrote: »
    As much as I wish this were true...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Butyrolactone


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid

    It would appear they are different. Unless a chemist wants to correct me...

    Per my previous links -

    http://chemicalland21.com/lifescience/agro/GAMMA-BUTYROLACTONE.htm

    gamma-BUTYROLACTONE

    SYNONYMS 4-Hydroxybutyric Acid Lactone; 4-Butanolide;
    1,4-Butanolide; Butyric Acid Lactone; Butyrolactone; 4-Butyrolactone; Tetrahydro-2-Furanone Dihydro-2(3H)-Furanone; Hydroxybutanoic Acid Lactone; butyrylactone; butyrl lactone; dihydro-2(3H)-furanone; 4-deoxytetronic acid; 4-hydroxybutyric acid, gamma-lactone; gamma-hydroxybutyric acid cyclic ester; gamma-hydroxybutyric acid lactone; tetrahydro-2-furanone; 1,4-Lactone; sigma-Butyrolactone;


    http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?D7=0&N5=Product%20No.|BRAND_KEY&N4=W329118|Aldrich&N25=0&QS=ON&F=SPEC

    4-Hydroxybutanoic acid lactone

    Synonym: γ-Butyrolactone, γ-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, 4-Hydroxybutyric acid lactone, GBL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭CptSternn


    Bucklesman wrote: »
    As much as I wish this were true...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Butyrolactone


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid

    It would appear they are different. Unless a chemist wants to correct me...

    Also, gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid is GHB, which is been illegal in Ireland since 1993. GBL is a precursor to GHB - GBL is actuall turned into GHB in the body when it is broken down by the liver.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_Drugs_Act_%28Ireland%29

    http://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/12086/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Here's a question - if these ARE temporarily "banned", surely we can buy them for a fair price, without the ridiculous amount of tax ? I mean, it must be against some precedent for them to take tax income from the purchase of illegal substances ?
    No, in that case they would just seize the entire amount.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Tinkicker wrote: »
    THEY WILL BE AFTER THE WORKING MANS PINT NEXT!

    Not a hope....too many TDs are publicans.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭Dr. Baltar


    If this happens I think I will officially move country.
    I'm fed up of this Nanny State.


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