UK driver survey shock findings!

mike65

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Every sterotype ticked off nicely!

freighter

:eek: My god if that crowd came over here and see some of the beauties we have driving the roads..

Marlow

No no .. they got it all wrong. TopGear clearly stated, that it's the Audi drivers now, that are those tailgating you and being aggressive on the road, so it's cool to drive a BMW again

/M

NC27

I have to agree that alot of BMW and Audi drivers are agressive, but I think overall its Merc drivers who are the worst. Not old school mercs but the newer one's say 1 to 3 year old. I often wounder are indicaters an optional extra on new Mercs.

Marlow

NC27 wrote: »

I have to agree that alot of BMW and Audi drivers are agressive, but I think overall its Merc drivers who are the worst. Not old school mercs but the newer one's say 1 to 3 year old. I often wounder are indicaters an optional extra on new Mercs.

Didn't you know, that driving a Merc automatically comes with the right to drive first at any given junction, disregarding the junction layout ?

/M

NC27

Ah, I see, I must have been away the day that they sent that Memo around.:D

biko

Maybe it's because I have a BMW now but this is Audi drivers for you

bmw535d

thats bull****. they say BMW drivers don't concentrate? yea so you buy a highpowerd rwd car for no reason atall other than the name and run around not concentrating or waiting for it to over-steer?

id say old folk in luxobarge mercs are worse.

or the typical 45 year old Audi driver trying to drive to compensate for his dwindling testosterone levels," you see i have quattro and have no fun atall because there is so much grip" to hell with BMW rwd fun:pac:

challengemaster

biko wrote: »

Maybe it's because I have a BMW now but this is Audi drivers for you

Well now, he looks fairly chavish anyway, so that's allowed :pac:

Voodoomelon

Load of balls imho. People see the BMW badge and then try and find faults with the driver.

If I said to you VW drivers were aggressive, drive too fast, don't indicate etc, you'd be on the look out for it and would spot several examples to prove me right. QED VW drivers are awful.

More to do with peoples perception than anything else.

langdang

Marlow wrote: »

No no .. they got it all wrong. TopGear clearly stated, that it's the Audi drivers now, that are those tailgating you and being aggressive on the road, so it's cool to drive a BMW again

I don't really watch top gear but they're right -Audi drivers are the new BMW drivers. I'm no slow coach but I'm never comfortable with an Audi driver behind me...

high horse

mike65 wrote: »

article

Every sterotype ticked off nicely!

Good thing I don't give a flying f*ck if people dislike me because of the car I drive! Get out of my way peasants! :D:rolleyes:

bmw535d

high horse wrote: »

Good thing I don't give a flying f*ck if people dislike me because of the car I drive! Get out of my way peasants! :D:rolleyes:

long live the straight 6:)

Anan1

bmw535d wrote: »

long live the straight 6:)

Long live the straight six petrol.;)

Marlow

Anan1 wrote: »

Long live the straight six petrol.;)

bmw535d wrote: »

long live the straight 6:)

Lads, you are being silly now. Everyone knows, that a 400 bhp V8 does the trick

/M

SV

bmw535d wrote: »

BMW rwd fun:pac:

what is it with BMW drivers and thinking that RWD seems to be 'their' thing?
you do all realise there's thousands of different RWD cars out there?

Most immensly more 'fun' (in terms of the fun you'd have with a RWD) than BMWs.

Matt Simis

SV wrote: »

what is it with BMW drivers and thinking that RWD seems to be 'their' thing?
you do all realise there's thousands of different RWD cars out there?

Most immensly more 'fun' (in terms of the fun you'd have with a RWD) than BMWs.

"Thousands of different cars" is a misleading and strange way of making that point, there are a handful of RWD marques and subset of them are "sport" orientated.

Yeah there are other RWD cars, Merc and Lexus spring to mind, but meh..
What I will give you however, and simultaneously piss off my BMW brethern, is the misconception that <3litre BMWs are fast. Im sure you can have this mysterious fun in many things, but a 316 driven to the inch of its life (yet still underpowered and slow) is more self delusional than fun.


On the point of all BMWs being "no fun", as you allude, clearly thats sour grapes, you really think real M cars (M3, M5s etc) are boring drives? I know diehard Lexus fans that got a drive in an e60 M5 and were instantly "converted". Its easy to peddle a stereotype till you are sitting in a 500bhp BMW with 10cylinders up front going sideways through a roundabout.

For the record, I have a BMW and like some of their models a lot, but on the same token dislike more of the range than I actually like. Its a car, not a club.

frex

Clarkson has it right...top prize currently sits with Audi drivers. All that pent up aggression from having a dull run-of-the-mill car is coming out since they've started to make good machines again.

As a former BMW driver (not a 1-series though!), I hang my head in shame at the following:

80 percent of BMW 1-Series drivers think the car is a front-wheel drive

SV

Matt Simis wrote: »

On the point of all BMWs being "no fun", as you allude, clearly thats sour grapes, you really think real M cars (M3, M5s etc) are boring drives? I know diehard Lexus fans that got a drive in an e60 M5 and were instantly "converted". Its easy to peddle a stereotype till you are sitting in a 500bhp BMW with 10cylinders up front going sideways through a roundabout.

M series models can't be compared to the rest to be fair..

Eric Cartman

frex wrote: »

Clarkson has it right...top prize currently sits with Audi drivers. All that pent up aggression from having a dull run-of-the-mill car is coming out since they've started to make good machines again.

As a former BMW driver (not a 1-series though!), I hang my head in shame at the following:

80 percent of BMW 1-Series drivers think the car is a front-wheel drive

the bmw 1 series is only for people who want to buy a badge ,

all of the 1 series and the 316,318,320d,518,520d,730d are not performance or immensly 'fast' or 'fun' cars, thinking they are sports cars is dellusional (no matter how much quinn direct believes it) ,

simple as if you bought a bmw to have rwd fun or have a fast car you need to start at the 323is , 530, 735 , then you can call your beamer a fast car

rubensni

frex wrote: »

Clarkson has it right...top prize currently sits with Audi drivers. All that pent up aggression from having a dull run-of-the-mill car is coming out since they've started to make good machines again.

As a former BMW driver (not a 1-series though!), I hang my head in shame at the following:

80 percent of BMW 1-Series drivers think the car is a front-wheel drive

After reading that, why do I get the feeling that 20% of 1 Series owners are men? :pac:

Matt Simis

SV wrote: »

M series models can't be compared to the rest to be fair..

The range toppers (335i/d, 535i/d etc) in each series shouldn't be classed with the muck in the bottom based on that logic either.

Eric Cartman

same with audis, the 1.9 and 2.0 diesel engines DO NOT MAKE YOUR CAR FAST

jaffa20

Love how a negative article on bmw owners has turned this thread into an audi bashing thread.

Marlow

jaffa20 wrote: »

Love how a negative article on bmw owners has turned this thread into an audi bashing thread.

Gives you an idea, how many Audi and and how many BMW drivers are on boards.

/M

Berty

Too many fanboys in here.

:rolleyes:

CosmicJay

Eric Cartman wrote: »

all of the 1 series and the 316,318,320d,518,520d,730d are not performance or immensly 'fast' or 'fun' cars,

simple as if you bought a bmw to have rwd fun or have a fast car you need to start at the 323is , 530, 735 , then you can call your beamer a fast car

No no. To have fun you buy a 320d remap it and then try and spend as much time as you can sideways. While getting 40mpg. Still anything under 2 litre's is just un-inspired. Especially the 316d. Yuck.

Also in that article. Van drivers and young drivers worse than Taxi drivers and Mothers on the school run?

Err no. Every time I drive though Dublin City Center I always get cut up by taxis. Don't even get me started on the sea of Honda streams from the local primary school.

Ardennes1944

Marlow wrote: »

Lads, you are being silly now. Everyone knows, that a 400 bhp V8 does the trick

/M

no a 1.2 punto is what ya want. 60hp...oooh feel the power!

ShiresV2

stevefinn wrote: »

no a 1.2 punto is what ya want. 60hp...oooh feel the power!

Or perhaps penis enlargement surgery judging by some of the comments.

bladebrew

they definetly have it right with fords in second though, everytime i see an s-max it is doing something dangerous, i have no idea why though,

bmw drivers are great,i had to tell someone their bmw was rear wheel drive before!

Marlow

bladebrew wrote: »

bmw drivers are great,i had to tell someone their bmw was rear wheel drive before!

Let me guess: That particular person didn't have a clue about cars and bought the bimmer simply for the badge.

/M

bladebrew

Marlow wrote: »

Let me guess: That particular person didn't have a clue about cars and bought the bimmer simply for the badge.

/M

yup, i think so, there are nice cars but the badge snobbery dosent help them,

JHMEG

The headline comes as no surprise, but Ford drivers are next. Still trying to figure that one out...

bmw535d

CosmicJay wrote: »

No no. To have fun you buy a 320d remap it and then try and spend as much time as you can sideways. While getting 40mpg. Still anything under 2 litre's is just un-inspired. Especially the 316d. Yuck.

Also in that article. Van drivers and young drivers worse than Taxi drivers and Mothers on the school run?

Err no. Every time I drive though Dublin City Center I always get cut up by taxis. Don't even get me started on the sea of Honda streams from the local primary school.

a 316d isnt a 1.6 you know:pac: gone are the days of relaying on the badge to know the model.

and you dont need an M to have fun,remaped 535d 350bhp 700nm springs to mind:pac:

CosmicJay

bmw535d wrote: »

a 316d isnt a 1.6 you know:pac: gone are the days of relaying on the badge to know the model.

and you dont need an M to have fun,remaped 535d 350bhp 700nm springs to mind:pac:

I found that out with the 545i.

Only thing about the 316d is its the detuned 2 litre diesel.

115bhp in a rwd car that big. Id say its fairly pedantic.

Marlow

bmw535d wrote: »

and you dont need an M to have fun,remaped 535d 350bhp 700nm springs to mind:pac:

I think we're getting way off topic here. Especially because those figures don't tell the whole story. It's weight vs. torque vs. setup. But that's a whole different story. True, the low end spectrum (< x20d/i) won't hack it. You've got to be up around the 2.5 liter engines before it becomes fun.

It's the same thing, when you are explaining a Lexus driver, that the Lexus IS series isn't anything beyond a regular 3-series There are two types of "car-owners": Those who buy the car for it's abilities and those who buy it for the bagde. The latter is most likely what's referred to in the article. The first type isn't a car-owner, but a motorist or car enthusiast.

/M

bmw535d

well lets look at some figures
e36 m3 evo 316 bhp 0-60 5.2secs
e60 535d remapped 350bhp 5.5secs

so are you still saying you need an ///M to have as much fun?

m3 may be lighter but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSwVGkjbshQ

back on topic, its more than likely the usual SE spec 520d being drove by the typical 40 year old contractors wife leaving the kids to school that is the reason for the results of this study but there isn't much real BMW enthusiasts can do to stop these badge buying idiots. and you are if you buy anything less than a 530d,,i laugh at people buying 525d's, why would you pay the same tax as a 530d and have less power..its the same 3.0 diesel engine detuned for economy, but you can get 50+mpg from a 218bhp 530d so why do you want more?

Vertakill

bmw535d wrote: »

well lets look at some figures
e36 m3 evo 316 bhp 0-60 5.2secs
e60 535d remapped 350bhp 5.5secs

Hardly fair to compare an 18yo car which actually had a smaller engine, to a brand new twin turbo engine with more capacity... regardless of one being petrol and the other being diesel.

bmw535d wrote: »

i laugh at people buying 525d's, why would you pay the same tax as a 530d and have less power..its the same 3.0 diesel engine detuned for economy, but you can get 50+mpg from a 218bhp 530d so why do you want more?

Do you mean 530D road tax compared to 535D (as in, 3litre+)? Didn't know there was a such a thing as a 525D over here(in the current models)... correct me if I'm wrong.
Edit: Oh there is a 525d and it's a 3.0 as well. I'm guessing detuned or some such. Agreed then.. rather silly idea in Ireland.

I'm not a fan at all of BMW's, quite the opposite in fact. But it's a shame this survey doesn't take into consideration people's dislike for BMW drivers before they even set foot into the car.
Most people that don't have one, regardless of the fact they may be anti-BMW, want one... and there's lots of people that are bitter/envious of the people driving them so they'd subconsciously answer BMW's as their #1.

CosmicJay

Vertakill wrote: »

Hardly fair to compare an 18yo car which actually had a smaller engine, to a brand new twin turbo engine with more capacity... regardless of one being petrol and the other being diesel.

Do you mean 530D road tax compared to 535D (as in, 3litre+)? Didn't know there was a such a thing as a 525D (in the current models).

The 535d is a 3 litre twin turbo. Ive seen a few 525d's. They are basically a detuned 530d. Same engine and all just a different map.

bmw535d

Vertakill wrote: »

Hardly fair to compare an 18yo car which actually had a smaller engine, to a brand new twin turbo engine with more capacity... regardless of one being petrol and the other being diesel.



Do you mean 530D road tax compared to 535D (as in, 3litre+)? Didn't know there was a such a thing as a 525D over here(in the current models)... correct me if I'm wrong.


I'm not a fan at all of BMW's, quite the opposite in fact. But it's a shame this survey doesn't take into consideration people's dislike for BMW drivers before they even set foot into the car.
Most people that don't have one, regardless of the fact they may be anti-BMW, want one... and there's lots of people that are bitter/envious of the people driving them so they'd subconsciously answer BMW's as their #1.

ill whisper so you dont sound so silly,,,525d 530d and 535d are all 3 litre diesels:pac:
by the current model i assume your on about the f10,i was talking about the e60

bmw535d

CosmicJay wrote: »

The 535d is a 3 litre twin turbo. Ive seen a few 525d's. They are basically a detuned 530d. Same engine and all just a different map.

i think they have a different turbo aswell as there would be massive turbo lag if it had the same turbo as a 530d id say it has smaller vanes or something,correct me if im wrong please

Vertakill

CosmicJay wrote: »

The 535d is a 3 litre twin turbo. Ive seen a few 525d's. They are basically a detuned 530d. Same engine and all just a different map.

Yep, spot on. Just found out and edited my post as you replied.

My mother's got an e61 535D and that was one of the things we made sure to drill into her head (the motor tax is the same as the 'lesser' models).

bmw535d wrote: »

ill whisper so you dont sound so silly,,,525d 530d and 535d are all 3 litre diesels:pac:
by the current model i assume your on about the f10,i was talking about the e60

Wow, your not a d1ck at all. There was a reason I wrote 'correct me if I'm wrong' at the end of my post and I also edited it before you even replied to correct myself...

Absurdum

bmw535d wrote: »

why would you pay the same tax as a 530d and have less power..its the same 3.0 diesel engine detuned for economy, but you can get 50+mpg from a 218bhp 530d so why do you want more?

you answered your own question, BMW are obsessed with CO2, not fun

high horse

bmw535d wrote: »

ill whisper so you dont sound so silly,,,525d 530d and 535d are all 3 litre diesels:pac:
by the current model i assume your on about the f10,i was talking about the e60

Really?

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=25729

bmw535d

high horse wrote: »

Really?

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Detail.aspx?deriv=25729

yea really after 2007 with the m57d30-u2 engine.must be an old website you found

thats the older m57TUD25 engine. the newer one has around 190bhp and is 2926cc technically a 2.9 but i call it a 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_5_Series_(E60)

daveharnett

Bloody hell, it really is fanboy central in here. bmw-driver.net really ought to just annex the place. I'm sure KB would approve
Given the stereotype, i bought fully expecting never to be let out at a junction again. I do think clarkson has a point about the A4 taking the a**hole mantle from the 3, but I think the passat is a serious contender too.

Setting aside rude/inconsiderate drivers for a moment, how can an article about the 'worst-driven' vehicles fail to mention the school run 4X4s? There's an awful lot of catastrophically badly driven rextons, sante fe's and :eek: X5s out there.

Marlow

daveharnett wrote: »

Setting aside rude/inconsiderate drivers for a moment, how can an article about the 'worst-driven' vehicles fail to mention the school run 4X4s? There's an awful lot of catastrophically badly driven rextons, sante fe's and :eek: X5s out there.

It might not be quite as bad in the UK, as it's here. It's seriously bad here, be it school-run or mass at church, which is even worse.

/M

bmw535d

Marlow wrote: »

It might not be quite as bad in the UK, as it's here. It's seriously bad here, be it school-run or mass at church, which is even worse.

/M

as they say "drive her like your late for mass"

JHMEG

Jeez, daveharnett's right.

This has turned into a my BMW is better than your BMW thread.

Marlow

JHMEG wrote: »

Jeez, daveharnett's right.

This has turned into a my BMW is better than your BMW thread.

Only, because you're moving it off topic again

/M

Leonard Hofstadter

Absurdum wrote: »

you answered your own question, BMW are obsessed with CO2, not fun

Never was a truer word spoken.

No Z4M, a FWD car in 2013(I'm not saying FWD is bad but BMW is the company that devised adds involving rabbits, horses and other animals to inform us about the "perils" of FWD), and the latest 5 series has been bashed by just about every car mag for not driving well(unless you get those very expensive chassis options), BMW is doing its dammdest to move away from what is supposed to be its USP.

And that begs the question, if the USP of a BMW isn't there(the Ultimate Driving Machine tagline), then what's the point of a BMW in the first place?