SGU 1x17 "Pain" **SPOILERS**

Evolute

I watched it there I'm really liking the series now.
Was a really slow episode well thats what I think about it.
It does however have the psychological feel to it that I think even though there is not as much pew pew as I would like to see:p.
I think it gives a great insight to what some of the characters greatest fears are and perhaps an insight into what will happen in further episodes.

Edit: Damn a few drinks and I become a muppet can a mod please change the name of the thread to "SGU 1x17 "Pain" **SPOILERS** please?
Apologies feeling like a bit of a dope haha

molloyjazz

im loving this series atm.. but it does suffer from the occasional boring/bad slow episode, like this one.. i was expecting the aliens to come and attack tonight!:mad:

Smyth

Where's the poll?

Didn't really like it. Filler episode. They've spent so long expanding on their personalities and relationship dynamics throughout the last 16 episodes that this one seemed pointless to me.

Try double clicking on your title on the main forum. Works on some vbulletin boards.

Evolute

Smyth wrote: »

Try double clicking on your title on the main forum. Works on some vbulletin boards.

Sorry about the poll will do one now:D(I cant make one quite possibly drink has made me a moron:p a mod can maybe make a poll?)
I figured out how to change it thanks man:D.

ei.sdraob

I like this one quite alot actually

what makes a good series is the connection with the characters

it took SG1 few seasons to build-up any sort of character likeability and depth
Atlantis just failed, too much action no substance

this is good very good, me like

oh i thought it take them longer to cross between the galaxies, that was quickish?

GarethWA

Of course the thing from the 1.5 trailer i was looking forward to the most(aliens coming aboard Destiny) was imaginary!
Written into the show purely to put in the teaser? I think so!

Slow ep, didn't feel it at all...better get good again soon!
Only strong point was the music.

Also, please use the polls when you make the thread! Or else leave it to someone who knows how!

Sherifu

Poll please mods.

I hate the fact that the aliens coming through the gate was a hallucination. I was looking forward to that scene, what a let down.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

meh

it's a bit late in the game for filler episodes surely, shouldn't we be getting close to what the point of season 1 was? It can't be *all* character introductions and history, there has to be some sort of story to the show other than 'ooh, things happened to us in the past and it affects us mentally, we're so damaged'

PirateShampoo

So have they crossed the galaxy void now?

Evolute

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So have they crossed the galaxy void now?

Yes they have

GarethWA wrote: »

Also, please use the polls when you make the thread! Or else leave it to someone who knows how!

I do know how to use polls smart arse. I forgot to make one and now cant add it in with the edit function

molloyjazz

What was Rush going to say to the Chinese one, before Young interupted?

Do ya think he was gonna tell her he fúcked her body last week?

Kazuma

I didn't mind that episode...not sure where I stand on the music though, always seems slightly out of place (but on the upside, plus one for the episode ending on an Eels track)

GSPfan

molloyjazz wrote: »

What was Rush going to say to the Chinese one, before Young interupted?

Do ya think he was gonna tell her he fúcked her body last week?

He didn't tho. I think he was gonna ask if its ok to do it in the future.

I liked this episode. Thought it added some great tension between James and Chloe.

GarethWA

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So have they crossed the galaxy void now?

They didn't say. I suppose so if they can dial the gate...

FreudianSlippers

Yeah, I quite enjoyed this one too... made me itchy though lol

Redisle

Meh.

Bit close to the end of the season for a filler ep!

Overheal

I love how people call this a filler ep, despite SG1 being so crammed full of "Fille Eps" that its what made it SG1.

And as a filler episode, this was quite good. Some well thought out hallucinations, bit of blood and gore, it would easilly rank up above any of dozens of similar episodes, again, in SG1.

molloyjazz wrote: »

What was Rush going to say to the Chinese one, before Young interupted?

Do ya think he was gonna tell her he fúcked her body last week?

Yeah I thought maybe we'd have that talk we were debating last week but I guess not.

Liked the way they ended this episode.

GarethWA

Overheal wrote: »

I love how people call this a filler ep, despite SG1 being so crammed full of "Fille Eps" that its what made it SG1.

Al least SG1 filler eps had lots of 'splosions, quirky humour, and big words that make physicists scream at the tv for being so scientifically inaccurate!:D

Overheal

GarethWA wrote: »

Al least SG1 filler eps had lots of 'splosions, quirky humour, and big words that make physicists scream at the tv for being so scientifically inaccurate!:D

Speaking of Quirky humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfBTsWRXOOc

hightower1

Boring ep, this is what happens when writers get all high on themselves.

Oh its "character driven sci fi", great ....... but there was nearly no sci fi in this at all! Could have taken place anywhere. Worst episode yet, was hoping the momentum was going to continue to build from the last few episodes up to the finale but this was like hitting a dead stop.

There is no need for filler episodes like this with a show like destiny, we simply dont know enough about the ship, where its been, what it holds, who has come across it, where it is, etc. They could have created questions or issues as little as only one episode back to be completely resolved in this ep an would have been more satisfying than this.

Terrible episode, if I wanted 100% drama I'd watch a soap.

somuj

GarethWA

Overheal wrote: »

Speaking of Quirky humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfBTsWRXOOc

...there are no words!
...there is just.........:D

Pepe LeFrits

I thought it was a good episode. As if things weren't fractious enough between Greer and Rey already. Though I thought they crossed the void rather too quickly. I mean, if they can cross between galaxies that quickly, then they should really pass through the galaxies in the time it takes to dial the gate...

I hope the writers don't give into people demanding 'splosions and shooting battles though, because they've been done a million times before and are dull. Seriously, how many times can you watch the same thing (fire, redirect shields, we retreat/they retreat, blah blah blah)?

Don't revert to Stargate Atlantis please.

ei.sdraob

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Don't revert to Stargate Atlantis please.

completely agree

Atlantis and last season of SG1 is just "cringe worthy"

i hope it doesnt go back to that braindraining crap again

the jokes werent even funny and the episodes predictable

that why the ratings bombed, how can you take a show seriously that doesnt take itself seriously

were not even 1 series thru this and we know and can connect more to the characters than even SG1 after 3 seasons

BaconZombie

Do we know that that scene was real or just another hallucination...?

ei.sdraob wrote: »

I like this one quite alot actually

what makes a good series is the connection with the characters

it took SG1 few seasons to build-up any sort of character likeability and depth
Atlantis just failed, too much action no substance

this is good very good, me like

oh i thought it take them longer to cross between the galaxies, that was quickish?

BaconZombie

STFU.....

GarethWA wrote: »

Also, please use the polls when you make the thread! Or else leave it to someone who knows how!

Smyth wrote: »

Where's the poll?

don ramo

id assume it took a few days if not weeks to cross, do you want the crossing to be in real time?, this episode could have happened 4 days or even 2 weeks after the last episode,

plus if you continually try and look for problems with a series you will find them very easily, you should really decide wheather you want to be entertained or weather you want a factual show that obey the laws of physics and makes sense, (you know like how is the FTL drive is so bad, we have a much better one sitting in a hanger at terminal 3, they should really use that, its more efficient,)

Smyth

BaconZombie wrote: »

STFU.....

no YOU STFU!!!!!!111!!one

Mantel

The crossing probably takes a fraction of the time it takes to cross a galaxy. No stars or gravity wells to get in the way or those pesky gates to stop at and investigate.

If destiny is nearly falling apart you have to wonder what the gate seeding ships are like now.

Tristram

absolute shíte

Pepe LeFrits

don ramo wrote: »

id assume it took a few days if not weeks to cross, do you want the crossing to be in real time?, this episode could have happened 4 days or even 2 weeks after the last episode,

Sure, but there was absolutely no reference to it. No, 'hurrah, we're finally across, something to do again', nothing. It was like they'd never even left the galaxy.

Mantel wrote: »

The crossing probably takes a fraction of the time it takes to cross a galaxy. No stars or gravity wells to get in the way or those pesky gates to stop at and investigate.

If destiny is nearly falling apart you have to wonder what the gate seeding ships are like now.

The galaxy they were travelling through would probably have been about 100,000 light years across while the void would have been a couple of million light years. The show gives a clear sense that it takes a while for Destiny to get between dialable gates in a galaxy, so it should take quite a while to get between galaxies. Which the whole power-saving mode backs up tbh.

It's a bit like watching a TV programme on sailing, each episode features a nice sail like from Dublin to Wicklow, then to Arklow, then to Wexford, then they suddenly show up in New York without so much of a 'thank heavens for that, land!'

Frankly I think it was a missed opportunity.

don ramo wrote: »

plus if you continually try and look for problems with a series you will find them very easily, you should really decide wheather you want to be entertained or weather you want a factual show that obey the laws of physics and makes sense, (you know like how is the FTL drive is so bad, we have a much better one sitting in a hanger at terminal 3, they should really use that, its more efficient,)

I want a show that is internally consistent within the rules it sets for itself. They just made a big thing about how Destiny was going into power saving mode to prepare for a journey between galaxies... and then cast the whole thing aside.

Otherwise they might aswell bring in Gandalf the Grey doing magic spells, sure do you want entertainment or a show that makes sense?

RolandIRL

agree that it was a filler episode, though not a bad one in contrast with other series. really disappointed about the aliens coming through the stargate. that was just a hallucination! was looking forward to that since the 1.5 trailer. :mad:
i don't mind the character developments. the tension adds to the series and rather than solely being a space-battle series, it provides a good mix. that's what made BSG so good. if i wanted to see mindless sci-fi battles, i'd just watch the transformers films (leave your brain at the door, thank you )

8/10

Screaming Monkey

thought it was complete muck..

5starpool

I'm assuming we have seen the last of those blue aliens now since we are in a new galaxy? As for the time thing, several epidoses have spanned the space of weeks or longer, but I agree that it should have been mentioned something along the lines of "3 months rationing done, we're there now" or similar.

How mant episodes are in this season?

RolandIRL

20 episodes in season 1. same for second season, i think.
3 more episodes to go. can't wait for the finale

krpc

whiteman19 wrote: »

20 episodes in season 1. same for second season, i think.
3 more episodes to go. can't wait for the finale

I almost read this as "I can't wait for it to be over!" :pac:

GarethWA

5starpool wrote: »

I'm assuming we have seen the last of those blue aliens now since we are in a new galaxy?

Depends. Those aliens might not even be from the galaxy they just left. How long did they say they were trying to board Destiny before the Pegasus crew got on board?

I'd say not!

RolandIRL

i agree with gareth. it'd be pretty pointless to introduce an enemy and not flesh out that story. it'd just leave it unresolved. did the aliens just decide "oh it's off to another galaxy, time to go home"

although they did leave "Faith" a bit unresolved. who built that planet and sun? what happens to the people left behind? hopefully they'll bring it back into the plot.

has SGU already aired on Ukrainian telly? i saw some youtube links for the final episodes (or music from them). anyone know what's the story?

Pepe LeFrits

Agreed about the aliens, although it be pretty stupid for them to be trying so hard to stop Destiny from leaving the last galaxy if they were a big presence in the one it was going to

Overheal

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Agreed about the aliens, although it be pretty stupid for them to be trying so hard to stop Destiny from leaving the last galaxy if they were a big presence in the one it was going to

We don't know if they are.

Even if they were, it makes sense to attack Destiny in the void where it can't recharge. Their last attempt was foiled because they couldn't breach Destiny's shields (...effectively) before it jumped again.

Whenever they do get control of destiny's systems she'll be a bad mother ****er. Theyve already hinted maybe a thousand times that doing so will fix their power transfer issues, meaning she'll likely be faster and more defensible. Inside a star cluster: impregnable?

ixoy

Not great. I'm not too fond of filler episodes, although they nearly always happened just before a finale in the SG[1|A] universe.
It would indeed have been more effective if we'd had more time with the characters. It wasn't sub-par... just a bit bog standard. Could have removed a bit of gore and easily put it into the other franchses.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I want a show that is internally consistent within the rules it sets for itself. They just made a big thing about how Destiny was going into power saving mode to prepare for a journey between galaxies... and then cast the whole thing aside.

Have to agree with this. They make a deal about it passing between galaxies. I expected it to take ages but we got no mention of what happened or how long it took, etc. Give us something. I don't like how the show's characters make a big deal of an issue - the guys being stranded but suddenly coming back, the distance between galaxies - and then are suddenly blasé. C'mon if we ask the questions, surely the characters should to?

Smyth wrote: »

no YOU STFU!!!!!!111!!one

With all due respect, everyone STFU No more back-seat modding from any of ye or else I'll get mean.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Dunno what everyone is giving out about...
Universe isn't supposed to be like SG-1 or Atlantis, it was said from the beginning that it is going to be much more character driven, and honestly after 300+ episodes of SG-1 and Atlantis, its refreshing to get something structurally different, but that still has some of the best aspects of its predecessors...
And stop saying "filler episode" when the two previous shows were 80% filler and 20% overall story arc, yet people didn't complain about that...

Personally, I really enjoyed this episode... Potentially one of the strongest of the series so far...

Overheal

Time was a filler episode: I don't recall any complaining. Why does it matter when you're entertained?

Have to agree with this. They make a deal about it passing between galaxies. I expected it to take ages but we got no mention of what happened or how long it took, etc. Give us something. I don't like how the show's characters make a big deal of an issue - the guys being stranded but suddenly coming back, the distance between galaxies - and then are suddenly blasé. C'mon if we ask the questions, surely the characters should to?

I too was pretty cheesed at how they handled the conclusion of Lost. But I mean, like the ending of time which was ambiguous enough to be suspensful, if they had just done the Happily Ever After SG1 thing at the end of Lost it wouldn't have been nearly as interesting. And really, thats all it was ever going to be; destiny falling out of ftl and picking them up. And the Galactic Void? Would you have really wanted an extra earth-type episode? "Oh no stars. We're bored. Lets call Mom."

It was quirky, but forgivable. Like I said, I especially liked the closing scene of Pain, which was a lot of 'business as usual' and fitting of the franchise.

Memnoch

boring episode, almost switched it off half way through.

As someone said earlier, there hasn't been enough action in the series to justify an episode like this. Last two episodes have undone a lot of the good work at the beginning of the 2nd half of the season.

Let's hope things pick up again for the last few episodes.

GarethWA

Overheal wrote: »

Time was a filler episode: I don't recall any complaining. Why does it matter when you're entertained?

There was no complaining because time had a really good sense of danger in it. It was clever, and really kept us on our toes through the entire episode. As soon as we found out what was causing the hallucinations, i was pretty disappointed!
If I had written this episode, i would have finished it very differently! Either with a remark between Rush and Camille about 'plans in motion', or with an actual blue alien making it aboard Destiny, unnoticed in all the commotion!

hightower1

Firstly this ep was gammy cause it completely broke the season momentum... time did not.

Secondly having an entire ep that revolves around hallucinations as a story driver is about as cheap a device as having a really drmatic ep where someone wakes up at the end says "whoa, what a weird dream" - crap.

ixoy

hightower1 wrote: »

FSecondly having an entire ep that revolves around hallucinations as a story driver is about as cheap a device as having a really drmatic ep where someone wakes up at the end says "whoa, what a weird dream" - crap.

Well only to a point. They established they were having hallucintions about 15 minutes into the show. If it had been a "reveal" at the end only, then it would really have sucked. As it was, it was just lacking something for me.

hightower1

ixoy wrote: »

Well only to a point. They established they were having hallucintions about 15 minutes into the show. If it had been a "reveal" at the end only, then it would really have sucked. As it was, it was just lacking something for me.

Your still basing an entire ep around something that doesnt exist and has no real world ramifications for the story.

ixoy

hightower1 wrote: »

Your still basing an entire ep around something that doesnt exist and has no real world ramifications for the story.

Well we learnt that Rush is still haunted by his capture and the blue aliens. Perhaps this might feed into his next encounter with them?

This is "filler" in the sense it doesn't push a story arc along but if it allows us to enjoy the characters and moments then that shouldn't matter. I believe there were more interesting ways of having "filler" episodes than this but I'm only one person.

FreudianSlippers

hightower1 wrote: »

Your still basing an entire ep around something that doesnt exist and has no real world ramifications for the story.

It's like that plot device where all this crazy **** happens, main characters start killing eachother, total gamechangers..... last scene is some character waking up - IT WAS ALL A DREAM!

RolandIRL

agree with ixoy. no need for every episode to be story-arc related. good to have some episodes with character development.
but i knew that when Lt. Boobs killed Scott, it wasn't real. no way would they kill off one of the biggest characters in the series...pity