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  • 13-05-2010 3:54pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭


    Hey guys
    I put down the arts on the cao and was just wondring if ye could tell me about English, Socialogy,Psychology and History
    I'd love to do them and was just wondering whats the work like? Are they difficult? Thank you!!:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    Hey guys
    I put down the arts on the cao and was just wondring if ye could tell me about English, Socialogy,Psychology and History
    I'd love to do them and was just wondering whats the work like? Are they difficult? Thank you!!:)

    Don't do Sociology. Just don't. I've studied it twice before in 2 former colleges and this year completely killed my love for the subject. To be honest, I don't think the department have a clue most of the time. There are maybe 3 great lecturers across first year but that doesn't make up for the other 3 or 4 downright awful ones.

    History and Psychology are great, Psychology in particular. There's a lot in Psychology, especially in the Biological module, but if you like the subject you'll get by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    Ah cool! I found pyschology interesting on the open day :)
    When do you choose subjects, matter of interest?
    Thank you!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    Ah cool! I found pyschology interesting on the open day :)
    When do you choose subjects, matter of interest?
    Thank you!:)


    August I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭captainspeckle


    Hey!! I did those four in first year too, loved them all except sociology. That was the greatest pain in the arse of a subject! :mad: lecturers were brutal and it didnt really turn out to be what I expected. It was interesting for the first 3-4 weeks, then the lecturer changed and it all just became incredibly boring and dull, and incredibly in depth for an introductory course. My advice would be to stay clear unless you have experience and know thats its a definate area of interest.

    As for the rest, they were all really interesting. Psychology is tough ish.. but really really interesting. There was only the odd lecture that I didnt really enjoy. It is broken into 6 sections, not sure of the names of them now becasue I didnt keep the subject on but we looked at social, abnormal, biological, developmental aspects of psychology and also the history of it was covered. LOVED History and English the most, which is why I kept them on. The English course in first year is very broad and pretty much every espect of literature is examined. Poetry, drama, shakespeare, film, novels, the usual kind of stuff. Its in second year that it becomes much more interesting as you get to pick exactly what you want to study. History in the first term of first year focuses on the modern history of Ireland and also the origins of European identity. Then after christmas you pick from a number of different areas what class you want to take. I think there is a choice of like 4 or something like that?!

    Anyways, there are probobly lots of other question you want answered that I didnt cover so feel free to drop me a PM I will be glad to help you! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    Hey!! I did those four in first year too, loved them all except sociology. That was the greatest pain in the arse of a subject! :mad: lecturers were brutal and it didnt really turn out to be what I expected. It was interesting for the first 3-4 weeks, then the lecturer changed and it all just became incredibly boring and dull, and incredibly in depth for an introductory course. My advice would be to stay clear unless you have experience and know thats its a definate area of interest.

    As for the rest, they were all really interesting. Psychology is tough ish.. but really really interesting. There was only the odd lecture that I didnt really enjoy. It is broken into 6 sections, not sure of the names of them now becasue I didnt keep the subject on but we looked at social, abnormal, biological, developmental aspects of psychology and also the history of it was covered. LOVED History and English the most, which is why I kept them on. The English course in first year is very broad and pretty much every espect of literature is examined. Poetry, drama, shakespeare, film, novels, the usual kind of stuff. Its in second year that it becomes much more interesting as you get to pick exactly what you want to study. History in the first term of first year focuses on the modern history of Ireland and also the origins of European identity. Then after christmas you pick from a number of different areas what class you want to take. I think there is a choice of like 4 or something like that?!

    Anyways, there are probobly lots of other question you want answered that I didnt cover so feel free to drop me a PM I will be glad to help you! :D

    COOL! English and History ive my heart set on! Love it!
    My back up for socialogy was Politics?
    Thanks for the info ;) was told before english was really hard but it sounds pretty enjoyable in your description:D:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    Ah cool! I found pyschology interesting on the open day :)
    When do you choose subjects, matter of interest?
    Thank you!:)

    Make sure you pick the top two subjects you really want. You'll have four or more preferences, if you really want to do English; make it your first preference. AFAIK they only take those students wanting English with it as their 1st preference.
    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    COOL! English and History ive my heart set on! Love it!
    My back up for socialogy was Politics?
    Thanks for the info ;) was told before english was really hard but it sounds pretty enjoyable in your description:D:D

    To be honest, I've talked to numerous people (including Boardsies) and they detest Sociology. Unless you're passionate about it, keep away would be the best advice I could offer you.

    Politics is very enjoyable, nothing too impossible and grand to study. Lecturers (couple of years ago) were grand and it's well organised.

    History is terrific. I'm completely biased though.

    English is probably fine, you'll have to be into it and enjoy it. Like all subjects I suppose. On this forum, captainspeckle's best to talk to about it.

    Any more questions, shoot, we'll be glad to help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    Sociology isn't difficult, but it is extremely boring, as in 'you will never last the full hour lecture concentrating' boring. Also most of it is not very interesting. I definitely will not keep it on next year. By all means, go for it if you want. Some sections can be interesting, like Niamh Hourigan's section on social discrimination and stuff. On the other hand you might have Piet Strydom and the history of sociology. That isn't interesting and it is boring. They changed the layout of the summer exam to allow a bit more choice for the student, but they expect you to know a lot for particular sections.

    Psychology is definitely interesting, but there are lots of reading involved if you want to do well (As with most subjects I suppose). A lot of the course focuses on experiments and case studies. More than likely I'll keep this on next year

    English is alright. I never enjoyed reading until I did it. Now I read about two books a month :D. Fiction is a good section, as is renaissance poetry. Ha, I'm just writing down my interests. :D I'll probably keep this on next year too. And as Nova_Era said below me, you may meet Barry Monaghan. Deserves to have a course to his name . :D

    Can't say much about history. I did maths studies instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    If you do English then you might get the chance to meet Barry Monahan.

    That is worth putting it on your CAO alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Agreed with above. There's something mystical about that man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Agreed with above. There's something mystical about that man.

    I don't even do English, but in a way I wish I did. Just so I could find a reason to call to his office, and get to talk to him. He might know who I am then. :(

    Although, I think he knows who I am now, as whenever he sees me I'm generally staring/talking about him/giggling like a schoolgirl.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    Nova_era wrote: »
    I don't even do English, but in a way I wish I did. Just so I could find a reason to call to his office, and get to talk to him. He might know who I am then. :(

    Although, I think he knows who I am now, as whenever he sees me I'm generally staring/talking about him/giggling like a schoolgirl.


    Here's his number ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Nova_era, think you should join this: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=214982233766&ref=search&sid=724094405.2031654679..1#!/group.php?gid=214982233766&v=info&ref=search

    OP, just in case. Barry Monahan's an English lecturer who holds high respect among students; that's probably the understatement of the year though. Him and Andrew King were by far and away the best lecturers I had in 1st year English. Quality.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Nova_era, think you should join this: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=214982233766&ref=search&sid=724094405.2031654679..1#!/group.php?gid=214982233766&v=info&ref=search

    OP, just in case. Barry Monahan's an English lecturer who holds high respect among students; that's probably the understatement of the year though. Him and Andrew King were by far and away the best lecturers I had in 1st year English. Quality.


    OH YES!!! :D

    I've been looking for this for ages, thank you so much! Joined, and I'm gonna send the invite to some other Barry appreciators in my year. What a fantastic man.

    Women want him. Men want to be home. Sometimes it's the other way round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭captainspeckle


    Had Barry monahan for my seminar this year. The man should have his face on money. What a legend. Also, if the OP is doing history, Dr. Diarmuid Scully is a legendary man. You could not meet nicer!


    http://www.facebook.com/pages/When-Dr-Diarmuid-Scully-tells-you-not-to-panic/115563645146522

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭Ardennes1944


    please dont do sociology, its just a nightmare lyk ask anyone.just did it for first yr arts and the department is a disgrace like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭Ardennes1944


    oh,i recommend computer science. im not majorly into comps but i found interesting and funny with a great lecturer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭mariaf24


    Hi everyone,sorry i don't mean to go off topic but..

    I did my degree in Sociology at UCC (2008) and have nothing but fond memories. It really saddens me to read some of the responses here.
    I know that Sociology is definitely not what many people have expected but people here seem so against it?
    Just curious as to why this is? I always found the department excellent,is this not the case anymore?
    I do remember First year being the hardest,everything fell into place by 2nd and 3rd year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    mariaf24 wrote: »
    Hi everyone,sorry i don't mean to go off topic but..

    I did my degree in Sociology at UCC (2008) and have nothing but fond memories. It really saddens me to read some of the responses here.
    I know that Sociology is definitely not what many people have expected but people here seem so against it?
    Just curious as to why this is? I always found the department excellent,is this not the case anymore?
    I do remember First year being the hardest,everything fell into place by 2nd and 3rd year.

    I've studied it twice before in other colleges. I loved the subject then but this year, I don't know. It seems like they were making it up as they went along and weren't sure what they were meant to be teaching us. I think they somewhat confirmed this suspicion by telling us what was coming up in the exam. Now, there are a few great lecturers, Niamh, Ger, Tracy and Kieran, in particular Ger.

    The problem was with Piet and Arapad more so. Their modules went on for far too long for what were, lets just call a spade a spade, Philosophy lectures. No offence to them, but if I wanted to study Philosophy I would have picked that subject to begin with. It was the epitome of tediousness and I was intending on carrying on Sociology for the remaining few years. Not now though. The Department really comes across as if it's only being held together by a shoestring, both economically and academically.

    To be fair though, the optional modules for second year do seem very good.

    SC2003 - Social Structure, Social Inequality and Social Stratification
    SC2004 - Political Sociology
    SC2005 - Critical Sociology 1
    SC2006 - Rural Development
    SC2010 - Sociology of Deviance
    SC2012 - Race and Ethnicity
    SC2017 - Sociology of Education
    SC2026 - Sociology of the Family
    SC2027 - Sociology of Heath and Illness
    SC2034 - Culture of Cities
    SC2038 - Irish Society
    ST2011 - Statistics (information on this will be provided by the Statistics Department who run this course)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭LC2010HIS


    Had Barry monahan for my seminar this year. The man should have his face on money. What a legend. Also, if the OP is doing history, Dr. Diarmuid Scully is a legendary man. You could not meet nicer!


    http://www.facebook.com/pages/When-Dr-Diarmuid-Scully-tells-you-not-to-panic/115563645146522

    :D


    is that the british guy??? had him on the open day...was very strict..threw people out :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭cork*girl


    Im thinking of doing History, Geography, English and Politics.. Anyone have any information on them? I want to go History and Geography mainly but should I still put English as number 1 so I get in? What are the chances that History and geography will be full if I put them as 2 and 3?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    I'd say you haven't a hope of getting English unless you put it down number 1, they're at the point where they have to some first year lectures through podcast because the lecture halls aren't big enough.

    A friend of mine is in final year Geography now (joint with Economics) and really enjoys it, seems like a very broad course that you can pick your area of interest from and specialise, lots of trips as well.

    Nobody ever asks about history of art :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭December


    Nobody ever asks about history of art :(

    What's it like? :o
    I'm going to be taking English for sure, and probably History. My other choices that I'm considering are History of Art^, Latin, Italian or French - so any more info about those would be great! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    December wrote: »
    What's it like? :o
    I'm going to be taking English for sure, and probably History. My other choices that I'm considering are History of Art^, Latin, Italian or French - so any more info about those would be great! :D

    Languages require fairly intensive study in UCC. Plain and simple: You've to be a fan of them. I did French in 1st year and hated it. I put it down thinking I'll be alright but it was very difficult. It's a topic that's received mixed opinions but I found languages difficult both personally and from some others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,238 ✭✭✭Ardennes1944


    dont get me started on piet! all i had in his lectures were thoughts of blood diamond from his voice! socooooooooooyity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    cork*girl wrote: »
    Im thinking of doing History, Geography, English and Politics.. Anyone have any information on them? I want to go History and Geography mainly but should I still put English as number 1 so I get in? What are the chances that History and geography will be full if I put them as 2 and 3?

    I think History is great in UCC. Subject content is superb; there's a huge variety of modules/areas to choose from. The department are good too; lecturers are excellent and other staff great. I'm a huge fan of the subject and it only serves to increase your interest. If you've anything specific just ask.

    Here's the UCC's Dept. of History website: http://www.ucc.ie/en/history/

    History book of modules: http://www.ucc.ie/modules/descriptions/page036.html (Note: the '1' in HI1001 and the '2' in HI2001 denote the year of study.)

    Those links should provide you with something to work from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    I think History is great in UCC. Subject content is superb; there's a huge variety of modules/areas to choose from. The department are good too; lecturers are excellent and other staff great. I'm a huge fan of the subject and it only serves to increase your interest. If you've anything specific just ask.

    Here's the UCC's Dept. of History website: http://www.ucc.ie/en/history/

    History book of modules: http://www.ucc.ie/modules/descriptions/page036.html (Note: the '1' in HI1001 and the '2' in HI2001 denote the year of study.)

    Those links should provide you with something to work from.


    History is fantastic and it has some great lecturers. I may be in the minority but Gabriel Doherty was my favourite. The guy uses no slides or notes and talks for the entire lecture. A lot of people were thrown off by this but he's a great lecturer and really gets the information across.

    So yes, do History in first year!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Languages require fairly intensive study in UCC. Plain and simple: You've to be a fan of them. I did French in 1st year and hated it. I put it down thinking I'll be alright but it was very difficult. It's a topic that's received mixed opinions but I found languages difficult both personally and from some others.

    You're 100% correct. Studying a language in UCC really requires you to go above the call of duty, as you're not going to learn anything by just sitting in the class and taking notes.

    I LOVE German, so I don't see it as a subject at all, bar some frankly stupid modules. I often stay in college til 9/10 at night just reading German/brushing up on Grammar etc. I wouldn't do that if I didn't love the language.

    Good call on the History department too. I don't have much dealings with them bar a few lecturers, but they're great. And you might in time be granted the chance to meet the irreverent Professor Geoffrey Roberts, perhaps UCC's finest asset.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    History is fantastic and it has some great lecturers. I may be in the minority but Gabriel Doherty was my favourite. The guy uses no slides or notes and talks for the entire lecture. A lot of people were thrown off by this but he's a great lecturer and really gets the information across.

    So yes, do History in first year!

    Doherty is excellent. He's a great lecturer and a nice guy too. People don't like the fact that he doesn't use slides but I think it's a good thing that he can speak for an hour; it shows the extent of his ability. It's been a long time since I've done Irish History, I'd gladly take up a module of it if he lectured in it!
    Nova_era wrote: »
    You're 100% correct. Studying a language in UCC really requires you to go above the call of duty, as you're not going to learn anything by just sitting in the class and taking notes.

    I LOVE German, so I don't see it as a subject at all, bar some frankly stupid modules. I often stay in college til 9/10 at night just reading German/brushing up on Grammar etc. I wouldn't do that if I didn't love the language.

    Good call on the History department too. I don't have much dealings with them bar a few lecturers, but they're great. And you might in time be granted the chance to meet the irreverent Professor Geoffrey Roberts, perhaps UCC's finest asset.

    OP, that's the kind of work you may have to consider putting in to doing a language. Note, this isn't a scare tactic, it's a slight caution that langauges are difficult and require work - much like 'regular' subjects. Don't let us frighten you off!

    Prof. Roberts is quite good; had him for a guest lecture in Russian History and he was a good guy. Some weren't fans of his but he was grand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era



    Prof. Roberts is quite good; had him for a guest lecture in Russian History and he was a good guy. Some weren't fans of his but he was grand.

    Don't say that too loud, lest Geoff send the KGB in the direction of the naysayers. :p

    The man holds influence in Russia.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Nova_era wrote: »
    Don't say that too loud, lest Geoff send the KGB in the direction of the naysayers. :p

    The man holds influence in Russia.

    I'm sure we'll be dealing with the FSB now? ;)
    The man's English accent and Russian History go well together!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    I'm sure we'll be dealing with the FSB now? ;)
    The man's English accent and Russian History go well together!

    The FSB, which is housed in the same building as the KGB was throughout the days of the USSR. Some things have changed greatly in Russia, and others have just changed name. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Nova_era wrote: »
    The FSB, which is housed in the same building as the KGB was throughout the days of the USSR. Some things have changed greatly in Russia, and others have just changed name. ;)

    Like the NKVD...One of the grandaddies of 'em all.

    Oh I know they're the 'same', I'm just keeping up with *ahem* political correctness. Mr. Medvedev, if you're reading this, don't take me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Like the NKVD...One of the grandaddies of 'em all.

    Oh I know they're the 'same', I'm just keeping up with *ahem* political correctness. Mr. Medvedev, if you're reading this, don't take me!

    We both know that it's not Dmitri who we need to be cautious of :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    Nova_era wrote: »
    We both know that it's not Dmitri who we need to be cautious of :P

    Alas you're right. V still pulls all the strings perhaps?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Alas you're right. V still pulls all the strings perhaps?

    He does, it's beyond question. Prior to his ending of presidential term, he transferred control of a number of presidential offices over to the office of Prime minister, and will no doubt reverse this WHEN he becomes President for a third time. :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    December wrote: »
    What's it like? :o
    I'm going to be taking English for sure, and probably History. My other choices that I'm considering are History of Art^, Latin, Italian or French - so any more info about those would be great! :D

    History of Art is great, it really is. The content and presentation of the course is very good, and the department is excellent. Four main lecturers and some occasional ones, fewer than ten in total, all very good at their jobs and most of whom are dedicated well above and beyond what they need to be. To illustrate a point, a friend of mine who also studied it fell very ill during the year, I emailed her dissertation supervisor because I knew she had meetings with him that week, and the next time I was handing in an essay the secretary recognised me as being the one who had sent the email, remembered my name and my friend's name, passed on the best wishes of all the lecturing staff and said that they would go to see her but didn't want to cross the student/lecturer divide. Every time I've been in since she's asked for news, and at the time I also got an email from my own dissertation supervisor (who I hadn't emailed) expressing concern for my friend and telling me to let her know if I needed any extensions etc because of it. I genuinely don't think I'd have gotten that from any other department.

    It's also good to study in conjunction with English as from second year on it gives you a very good grounding in critical theory (there's a module called 'The History of Art History', which really isn't as stupid as it sounds), and concepts which come to be very important in English (semiotics for example), are studied from a different perspective and with much smaller class sizes and better lecturer support than you generally get from the English department (mostly due to its sheer size). There are definitely a few out and out art nerds in the year, but plenty people aren't (myself included).

    Erm, what else? Plenty class trips (none abroad in first year, but then London, Paris, Florence, Berlin in second and third year), and the usual interesting characters in the faculty, Flavio's some man for one man, Simon's lovely, so's Tom Dunne, and Ed and Sabine are downright brilliant (not sure if you'd have them in first year though). Plus you get to look at pictures when you're studying, how bad? :)
    Languages require fairly intensive study in UCC. Plain and simple: You've to be a fan of them. I did French in 1st year and hated it. I put it down thinking I'll be alright but it was very difficult. It's a topic that's received mixed opinions but I found languages difficult both personally and from some others.

    I did beginners' Spanish in first year and didn't particularly enjoy it, I'd imagine the non beginners levels are ridiculous, someone I know who got an A in the leaving went to the introductory lecture but was completely put off by the levels they were told they'd have to maintain, it's not a filler subject at all but if you enjoy it and want to keep it up then go for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Censorsh!t


    LC2010HIS wrote: »
    is that the british guy??? had him on the open day...was very strict..threw people out :D

    :eek:No way! He's from Dublin, and is the nicest man ever. I want to marry him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭cork*girl


    I'd say you haven't a hope of getting English unless you put it down number 1, they're at the point where they have to some first year lectures through podcast because the lecture halls aren't big enough.

    A friend of mine is in final year Geography now (joint with Economics) and really enjoys it, seems like a very broad course that you can pick your area of interest from and specialise, lots of trips as well.

    Nobody ever asks about history of art :(


    So maybe put english 1st, then History, Geography and then Politics? What are the chances I wouldnt get Geography then though?...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    cork*girl wrote: »
    So maybe put english 1st, then History, Geography and then Politics? What are the chances I wouldnt get Geography then though?...

    To be safe put English, Geography, History and Politics down, in that order I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 702 ✭✭✭cork*girl


    Whats English like for 1st year?.. Like do you have to be that A1 leaving cert. student..?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    First year sociology is painful all right, but I had to keep it on (subject choice mess-up) and I absolutely adored it in second and third year. Loved it so much that when I repeated second year (due to failing my other subject) I switced from doing it as a minor to a major.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,500 ✭✭✭ReacherCreature


    cork*girl wrote: »
    Whats English like for 1st year?.. Like do you have to be that A1 leaving cert. student..?

    Not at all. You need to be willing to work and focus on your assignments. There's several different components to 1st year which may be difficult to keep up with unless you keep working away and attending the lectures. I found 1st year English handy and I wasn't an A1 Leaving Cert student. Just focus and put in the work. Getting all the assignments done (In my year there were over 5ish) and it'll be a huge help come exam time. I done well too in the Summer but elected not to keep it on as personally I didn't have much interest in doing so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    Dudess wrote: »
    First year sociology is painful all right, but I had to keep it on (subject choice mess-up) and I absolutely adored it in second and third year. Loved it so much that when I repeated second year (due to failing my other subject) I switced from doing it as a minor to a major.


    Does it actually become more scientific based as opposed to how it seems philosophically based in first year?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Yes, in that there are stats modules, but it also simply becomes more interesting and less abstract. I didn't know what they were jabbering on about in first year. That's not to say there aren't some airy fairy modules, but there are a lot more to choose from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    I've studied it twice before in other colleges. I loved the subject then but this year, I don't know. It seems like they were making it up as they went along and weren't sure what they were meant to be teaching us. I think they somewhat confirmed this suspicion by telling us what was coming up in the exam. Now, there are a few great lecturers, Niamh, Ger, Tracy and Kieran, in particular Ger.

    The problem was with Piet and Arapad more so. Their modules went on for far too long for what were, lets just call a spade a spade, Philosophy lectures. No offence to them, but if I wanted to study Philosophy I would have picked that subject to begin with. It was the epitome of tediousness and I was intending on carrying on Sociology for the remaining few years. Not now though. The Department really comes across as if it's only being held together by a shoestring, both economically and academically.

    To be fair though, the optional modules for second year do seem very good.

    SC2003 - Social Structure, Social Inequality and Social Stratification
    SC2004 - Political Sociology
    SC2005 - Critical Sociology 1
    SC2006 - Rural Development
    SC2010 - Sociology of Deviance
    SC2012 - Race and Ethnicity
    SC2017 - Sociology of Education
    SC2026 - Sociology of the Family
    SC2027 - Sociology of Heath and Illness
    SC2034 - Culture of Cities
    SC2038 - Irish Society
    ST2011 - Statistics (information on this will be provided by the Statistics Department who run this course)

    I'm considering doing it now. The more I think about the optional modules for second year the more it appeals to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Does it actually become more scientific based as opposed to how it seems philosophically based in first year?

    Bryan, subjects just become completely different in second year. In first year European Studies, I had to struggle through EU agricultural policy etc.. In second year, I had the option to study migration, cities, tourism etc..

    Just look at the book of modules; if there are enough modules that interest you, then you should do it. Forget what you think about the department/what you've done, and look instead to what you could be enjoying next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    Nova_era wrote: »
    Bryan, subjects just become completely different in second year. In first year European Studies, I had to struggle through EU agricultural policy etc.. In second year, I had the option to study migration, cities, tourism etc..

    Just look at the book of modules; if there are enough modules that interest you, then you should do it. Forget what you think about the department/what you've done, and look instead to what you could be enjoying next year.

    Yeah that's what i've been thinking about. Third year looks good too. Inevitably there will be things that I will dislike but if there are 2 modules that i'll hate there are 4 other ones that seem good. Still have plenty of time to decide though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Nova_era


    Yeah that's what i've been thinking about. Third year looks good too. Inevitably there will be things that I will dislike but if there are 2 modules that i'll hate there are 4 other ones that seem good. Still have plenty of time to decide though.

    I'd recommend making out a list of what you expect to end up studying if you choose the subject for next year. There will be compulsory modules + your own choices. IMO the compulsory ones are worth bearing if you are interested enough in the ones you chose, as they are really the ones which will give you the motivation to work.

    In simplified terms, the choice modules are basically the "Film Studies" of leaving cert English. :)

    2nd year German was the job for modules; they were basically giving you the marks if you were silly enough to choose certain classes. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭mariaf24


    T.W.H Byron, If you want any help or advise on modules feel free to ask me. I cannot recommend Sociology enough in second and third year. With respect to the subject,it is a very easy way to gain good grades,both in essays and exams,most of my classmates would always get 2:1's etc. Exams were almost always given to us in advance (exact questions) and only an hour and a half long.
    You also get to know your lecturers almost personally as many modules only have 10-15 people.

    Good luck with whatever you choose :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    mariaf24 wrote: »
    T.W.H Byron, If you want any help or advise on modules feel free to ask me. I cannot recommend Sociology enough in second and third year. With respect to the subject,it is a very easy way to gain good grades,both in essays and exams,most of my classmates would always get 2:1's etc. Exams were almost always given to us in advance (exact questions) and only an hour and a half long.
    You also get to know your lecturers almost personally as many modules only have 10-15 people.

    Good luck with whatever you choose :)

    That's great! I have a quick question for you already. I'll pm you instead of cluttering up this thread.


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