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22.250 - No longer deer legal?
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12-05-2010 06:38PM#1
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The swift is more powerful than the .22-250. See this post here and the rest of the thread for a full discussion on it.
I never said it was not, I said it WAS NOT LEGAL up until this.
The swifts were got as .22's
They were a wolf in sheeps clothing licence wise
As I said, I'll chat my wildlife ranger tomorrow.
in a 60grain they just make the ft/lbs at the muzzle, I would not like them on the shoulder of a deer though as they lose their energy too quick
But nothing fails to surprise me with firearms and legislation
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Tackleberrywho wrote: »I never said it was not, I said it WAS NOT LEGAL up until this.
The swifts were got as .22's
They were a wolf in sheeps clothing licence wise
As I said, I'll chat my wildlife ranger tomorrow.
in a 60grain they just make the ft/lbs at the muzzle, I would not like them on the shoulder of a deer though as they lose their energy too quick
But nothing fails to surprise me with firearms and legislation
They've been legal since 1976 when that legislation came into being. Seriously, read it, read the legislation. It's clear as day. If you could put some sort of wonderpowder in a .223 that would make the velocity required to hit 1700 ft/lbs, then you could use that. It's a .22 calibre bullet, of at least 55 grains, with a muzzle energy of 1700 ft/lbs. That is the only requirement in law, which is all that matters. NPWS are entitled to refuse things as they see fit, as far as I'm aware, but that's the law. Whether most .220 Swifts and .22-250s will make the legal limit is up for debate - personally I think if you chronographed everyone using them, a lot would come up short - but the law is the only thing that matters.0 -
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Oh and one last thing tack while you're down in that hole with the shovel
. The .220 Swift is exactly the same diameter bullet as the .22-250: .224 inch.
I am familiar with the .224 head, I have had several .22 and derivatives in my family down the years.
I have a .223 at the moment which I bought a .224 barrel for.
I have held a deer hunting licence 9 years heading for 10.
The deer hunting application until This year was .22-250 Min with a 55grain
This year low and behold a 1700ft/lbs was added
I just rang my friend who shoots .22/250 and he has been told Thursday by NPWS that a 60-64grain bullet is required in .22/250(yet the [permit states otherwise as of today)
http://www.biodiversity.ie/en/media/NPWS/Publications/Legaldocs/Deer%20Hunting%20Application%20Form.pdf
This opens a lot of controversy as many people were refused deer hunting licenses in the past for .220 swifts on the same Criteria.
I will contact ballybay in the morning and get clarification on this as many of my friends have had .220 swifts for foxes and a separate rifle for deer.
if this is accepted by NPWS who issue the Permits not any other source then it leaves my friends open to having no need to have 2 rifles in theory.
I have said it was an old argument as friends of mine had swifts for years, but they had to get .270's 5.5x57 .243's to shoot deer for years and have to buy ammo at the mercy of the dealers.
If this is the case the amount of deer hunting licenses will increase dramatically this year.
I've witnessed a lot of strange things down the years with licensing and calibres.
I have to reserve judgement until I get positive confirmation tomorrow.
I would love to see the swift as a deer calibre as many of my mates would be able to join me without having to buy another rifle.
So I will hand you back the Shovel Sir as I do not require it.
I will climb out and freely admit i am wrong tomorrow if i get confirmation more than hearsay.0 -
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bunny shooter wrote: »Here you are Tac
You must be tired of eating it :pac:
I'd rater be wrong on something i believed to be right, than right on something that is wrong.
I wish you the very best in a NPWS deer hunting application with your swift. i would love to see it.
I did not believe I would get a pistol until I had one in my hand, waiting time 16 days.
But I am glad it did happen.
My cousins will be even happier as they have just saved €3k on another decent set up when they have a decent fox set up that they can now just change ammo and apply for a permit.
It's winners all round IF it's true.
You seem to think I am just going against the flow, i am just working within the last parameters I was given. if they have changed so be it!0 -
thing is ,no one get into stalking will buy a 2-50 .
any one that has one is a well aware of how under inadequate there are for irish deer .what a fucx up back then .
also any one that shoots one is probably a better shot that your average stalker .
no new licences should be issued for the 2-50 for stalking ,it should be just faze it out .
total crap restricting a cal over 5 grains and a few fps. why not say only shoot hinds and calfs with your 55gr bullet .
ireland , FFS dont ask some one that knows , same as the new deer regulations , no one asked the npws , now there is more problems to stop it ,thankfully .it might not get through before the summer 4 months off now 0 -
thing is ,no one get into stalking will buy a 2-50 .
any one that has one is a well aware of how under inadequate there are for irish deer .what a fucx up back then .
also any one that shoots one is probably a better shot that your average stalker .
no new licences should be issued for the 2-50 for stalking ,it should be just faze it out .
total crap restricting a cal over 5 grains and a few fps. why not say only shoot hinds and calfs with your 55gr bullet .
ireland , FFS dont ask some one that knows , same as the new deer regulations , no one asked the npws , now there is more problems to stop it ,thankfully .it might not get through before the summer 4 months off now
What you think of this JW?
I know you must know a lot of stalkers.
Seems like the goal posts keep moving these days.
I'm glad I'm well over the 1700 issue with a .308.
what are your thoughts on a swift for deer, fallow, red and Sika and Hybrids?0 -
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Tack, the law has been the same since 1976. There is no contradiction on the form you linked.
The only thing that's not in the wildlife act is .22-250, it just says .22 centrefire - which both the .22-250 and the .220 swift are. The NPWS put .22-250 on the form because that's the lowest calibre that will make the muzzle energy requirement (providing you use the correct head weight). It's not the first time a form hasn't contained all the information, but it does refer to the correct section of the wildlife act which it's your responsibility to know and understand.
[B]The swift in 55 grain has always been deer legal, you get me one guy or gal who has licenced one on a .220 swift, the .22-250 only deer legal with a heavier than 55 grain bullet. [/B]There's nothing new in this, it's only new to you.
You seem to be under the misunderstanding that I have no knowledge of the deer hunting procedure for application of a permit.
I did not read it OFF THE NET, I rang the wildfife service, got a list of the approved calibers and bought one to suit my needs.
A .223 magnum is also above the 1700ft/lbs criteria but have not been licenced to date.
Unless Someone LIED on their application which would account for these HEARSAY .220 Swift that are currently licenced
Which is an offence under the criteria by NPWS. It is the Hunters obligation to fill out form and fulfill criteria.
Lots of calibres generate +1700ft/lbs. Not all of them can be used on deer.0 -
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